The boat and motor industry has priced themselves out of business

Products are priced way too expensive. Prices are just out of range. 100,000 boats, thousands of dollars for fishfinders, etc.,etc. man created shortages to keep prices up. We are screwing ourselves. Corporate greed is the root cause.

If the consumer stops buying....prices will drop...

Mercury Marine and boat builders did it to themselves.

Motor and boat prices + high interest rates = shitty sales

You hit the nail on the head. This goes for everything that was bought during the 2020 era on. Companies are still saying they are short on parts so they can keep the prices up on their inventory. When the truth is they are not short. It will catch up with all of these companies and the lay off will happen.

In the new era of $100k bass boats, it doesn't surprise me

I appreciate you. I bought Suzuki outboards based largely on your videos. I’m in Oregon so I obviously didn’t get them through you but I appreciate your input and watch all your content. You’re a real guy living in a real world doing your best to help us that aren’t in the know.

I’ve have 32+ years in the RV industry, both on the factory/wholesale side and retail side. Both industries use Stat Survey’s for their market reports, these show market share, prices paid, size of unit purchased, month over month, year over year, etc. stats. RV’s like boats are an important economic indicator for the health of consumer discretionary spending. They have been indicators for decades and will continue to be. RV factories are reducing production rates, laying off employees, cutting back in other areas, finding cheaper vendors, same as boat factories. There are so many other implications of this and what it means, so to say it’s just high cost and interest rates is only partially accurate. Andy is 100% correct in that it’s a good thing, these employees were hired during the boom a few years ago and now attrition plays its part…survival of the fittest. It’s this type of action that will cause the factories, boat, boat motor, rv’s to realize their greed over the past few years is coming back to bite them in their butt’s and we, as consumers will benefit with eventual lower prices. However, it won’t be a sharp decline, they’ll decontent, take features away, to get to the desired price points. Also, keep in mind many of the pandemic purchases of boats and rv’s were people wanting to buy, but it pushed their timeline up so now they’re off the market when they initially had planned to be in the market. Additionally, interest and price does play a part, but payment buyers are just that, they get their desired payment and they will buy, high price doesn’t play as large a roll. As for blame it is purely and singularly manufacture greed… no different than most any other industry but since it’s tangible, and if we’re watching this we have an invested interest, we notice it more…The only way to combat it, is by what human nature tells us to do-vote with our wallets. On a last note, these industries are cyclical, been this way for decades, so prices will correct, but won’t happen overnight like we want it too.

I have 2002 mer 225,I'am keeping it for as long as I can. My 2002 Stratos is holding up good.

We were in the boat manufacturing industry and a Merc dealer long ago. Now we are happy to be out of this crazy business. Since then Merc’s overly aggressive marketing has turned us off. And when we discovered there were two types of bottom ends , a big foot for the tourist operator and a cheaper breakable one for the recreational boater , we left for good. Planned obsolescence which benefits only the dealer over the winter. We now use Honda engines exclusively and they have never failed us! Going on 15 + years now. Yamaha is good also. Both companies really support and service their customers. North American industry has a lot to learn in making a quality product and what customer satisfaction means.

OMG OMG. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bass fishing has sucked the Life out the industry. 1000 percent agree brother.

Team Marine is only shop I use! It's a 2 hour drive one way, but the service is worth it! Keep it up

Title : “Not Good” 1:20 into video “It’s good for the industry” Straight gangster. 😂😂😂😂

Suzuki digging into his those sales .. around my area Tohatsu is ruling the tin rigs ..

Market corrections are not a bad thing, when you drive through Lebanon, MO. The white river side of I44 is boats for miles. When you look to the south side, there is nothing on the lot. G3, Landau, and Lowe lots are empty.

Inflation, interest rates, and coming off the COVID boost is creating a huge ‘deflation’ of recreational spending! Several big manufacturers are going through layoffs….White River Marine (Bass Pro) just laid off about the same number of employees from their Tracker facilities…it’s not just the recreational/outdoor markets either…in my business we are seeing the same in all industries…gas/oil, pharma, aerospace, etc etc etc As you mention…hopefully the cost of a new boat finally comes back in line…and the quality starts to improve!

Dude, we still have new 2022's floating around at dealers here in Canada.

what keith said below. the prices of all things outdoors is to high. it has gotten to be a rich mans sport. i hope this finally falls back in line so it can once again be affordable for the working man to chase a dream.

Love my Yamaha. Won’t own anything else for the foreseeable future. Also done with Johnny’s boats also. Just bought a skeeter and I’m not looking back!

Thanks Andy, appreciate your content!

Thanks for the logo inside scoop Andy. I enjoy your inside take on the marine industry and not holding back.

Very much appreciate the origin story at the end of the video. Thank you for your content. Awesome!

The price of boat are to the roof

Thanks for taking the time the other day to answer my questions. My son was ticked pink being mentioned in the video!

A company as big as Mercury at any given time there are probably 300 sorry employees that need to be fired. They just let them accumulate and fire them under the guise of a "layoff". Corporations do this all the time.

I like the story behind the logo. It shows the dedication and shows how passionate u are about this industry an u try ur best to actually help people instead of always looking to see how u can get over on somebody. If I didn’t live in MS I would definitely use ur shop if I was halfway close.

You're correct. The same thing is happening in the automotive industry, too. New & Used prices are coming down. 🍺🎣

Thanks for all you do! Tell it like it is. 😊

Thanks for what you do!

Great info. Thanks .

Bought my Caymas CX19 as a 2023 leftover. Great pricing due to factory incentives. Also upgraded Jeep Wrangler to a 2023 Jeep Gladiator. Same deal. Incentives due to leftovers sitting on the lot. They're out there and if you have the cash, can save $$. No need to spend $100,000 on a new bass boat.

I own a 2023 Yamaha 252SE jetboat. Love the boat. The Yamahas are riddled with quality/ warranty issues due to the problem you have highlighted in your video, Andy. My boat has touch screen issues and it will probably be a year before I get a warranty replacement. I hear Yamaha has 300 new boats sitting at their facility that are wanting for touch screens. Hopefully things turn around soon for the industry.

good insight on the quality of these products.. thank you.

Damn the man! Love your stuff. Stay true my friend and keep"rm coming.

The reason for the layoffs is because Chrysler just announced their new line of DI two strokes that came with a 25 year unlimited warranty.

Your origination story is awesome. I hadn't heard this before. Ride or Die, Team Marine

Bring back Bumblebee Procraft,Glasstream,update the transom steering cables. Fishing Reels and Rods are to high.Gas and oil to. Higher Boat's mean Higher taxes and insurance.boat parts have gone up. The people that sale boats don't care about the buyer.they have 15 years financing you'd be better off investing it and go a different way.

Speed Money No Brakes--- #1, for sure--- Thanks for your honesty !!!!!!!

They are closing down the shipping side in Fond du lac. Since they have Indianapolis complete open now. Talked to my sales rep and that is what is going on.

I get with what you said in your video. Warranties are for the manufacture not the owner, they will try every trick in the book to get out of paying for warranty problems, especially for big ticket warranties. 40% of the household pay check today just goes to mortgage payments, homeowner insurance premiums, car insurance, electric, and water. People cannot keep paying a 19% inflation for food, cable, cellphones, etc. etc. People are saying screw them boat manufactures, we just can't afford a boat or their jacked up new boat prices today.

I was thinking about getting into boating for the first time this year, but sticker shock is real. Especially when I compare boat prices from 5-6 years ago, so I think your take is spot on.

Great story about the skull and wrenches logo, I like you even better now !

But I do like your channel I recently just purchased a 2017 90 horse Suzuki 4-stroke only had it on the water four times but I love it so far

Maybe they should lay off some quality control and start with fresh people

I was on vacation in northern Wisconsin and saw the elusive Rotax outboard and “pontoon“ boat. I thought it was like seeing Bigfoot, never thought it existed but then there it was. Wish I could post a picture.

Awesome video guy's. Love hearing the Truth about thing's going on. Y'all are the Best an Jordan should get $10 per Beep, per Video.

I love you can articulate your receipt moment that made you, you. Your always genuine an even though i run an evinrude i still livk your content. Im an evinrude maintenance nerd that runs a seark im just tryin to keep my stuff running until it wont. Then ill repowere suzuki

I'm looking at buying my first boat and found a clean used one from a dealer that now owns the boat brand (Haynie). My main reason is the price I pay to get started can be paid off in a reasonable amount of time instead of basically taking out a second mortgage. Plus I can always repower the boat a few years down the road once I know I'm going to use it and still come out paying less overall than if I went for a brand new one.

Love your channel keep it up

Your so right, I now frown on every great boat for sale but it's got a E on back.

I think you are spot on.

Andy, I work at a Merc plant and can tell you that getting back to the core quality employees is probably a good thing. I cant give specifics, but there are still more people there now than prior to covid so this isnt a giant loss by anymeans.

100% agree. What happened with your invite to White River Marine? Was interested to see what they had to say to you guys.

Andy do you think a 15 or 16 ft bassboat, like we had back in the 80’s, would sell today … Hydra Sport, Skeeter, Ranger? 50-75 HP w/12-24 lithium tm? Significantly lower … as you mentioned. One more thing. I love your transparency. All the best to you & your business.

Also, if you look in electronics, Humminbird has really good rebates on helixes and solix. Not to say anything about mega live and target lock have good deals into the end of the month. So does Garmin and Lowrance.

Sales are down across the board. Prices are just too dang high!

I would like to see you interview a reputable Evinrude dealer that sold new and still services G2s as well as another brand of engines because my dealer still has great things to say about the G2 and in my area the people who have them absolutely love them and are blown away by the hate they get. It just dosent add up to me. The G2 is complex and had some issues on re powers with old steering and fuel systems m, but on new boats they have been good. And the performance can’t be beat. Good video by the way, I gave it a thumbs up 👍🏻

If I had a new boat to Reagan I drive 12 hours to have Andy rake it Love you guys

great video thanks'

Agree we need the industry to get back to good quality on boats and motors. Motors and boats back in the late 80s and 90s was well build. Same thing with houses better build and hold up to storms here in Florida. Sure this is going to make the market better for us the consumer at the end.

175 pro XS ain't cheap, but damn coming from a Carb motor, she's nice.

I live in Oklahoma I have a 2007 Evinrude 225E tech. My mechanic said he’s still able to get parts.

Last yr i was looking to buy a new bass boat. They were hard to find and prices were high. This yr i started looking again and they have way more inventory and the prices came down a couple thousand. Then i look at the used boats people are selling and idk why anyone would pay what people are asking when you could spend about 5k more and get a brand new boat and better financing if you wanted to. Heck some of the used boats people have priced higher than new.

So that would be less than 1% of their workforce. I would expect that these numbers will increase even more.

ive noticed locally g3,tracker alumacrafts are knocking 20gs off the price and have alot of 2-023s on their lots

Andy you do a great job telling people the real story about shit. A lot of companies hired people that had no idea what the hell they are doing and don't care to do it right. I am retired an see the people that replace me they don't know what a wrench is with the phone they can't do shit. Great job Andy keep it up love your stuff.

I guess I’ll see in the coming years I just tepowered my old 94 nitro with a 24 115 proxs.

It’s happened in my area already. My banks loan officer told me at the height of COVID, she had written more RV and boat loans in that year than she had in the previous five. It showed at campgrounds and lakes around here, and on Erie. I’m now seeing RV’s and boats for sale that are a few years old. The peak is over. I don’t feel it’s a bad thing either.

Great video

Andy mentioned it a few times, "you are just gonna have to get used to waiting". Problem is IMHO that younger anglers have had instant information, entertainment and communication for so long, the idea that they have to wait to get something.... might cause a meltdown. Same goes for people with indispensable incomes, they just don't want to wait. "Oh i cant get this now, okay frack you!!! Ill go somewhere else then that knows how to treat a customer."

Still cant get key Mercury parts...

The whole industry is going to crash, to many guys tied into 80K plus bass boats they are negative about 30k now. Everyone including pros are fucked!

if you are planning to repower, look at other brands, you dont want to end up in the same boat as Evinrude, harder to find parts, support and spares ,

Not a shock that a corporation is cutting headcount in this inflated climate. There’s been similar activity in every industry over the last 12 months.

Outboard went from $14k to $25k of course they are going to lay people off . The price of these things went insane when quality dropped . New 250 lower unit is $10k . They are high ! I have had 6 mercury outboards there won’t be a 7th .

Alumacraft has $15,000 Rebates to help move the 1000 of boats sitting at their factory!

Quality does need to get better. And likely will with the slow down. But totally disagree on scaling back dealer inventory. Maybe just a little. You need a reasonable amount of inventory for that impulse buy. I also personally would never order. I buy what I see... Seen too many people order campers, boats and snowmobiles wait the 3-6 months. Just to show up for delivery and find what they ordered isn't exactly what they wanted. Not to mention knowing someone who wait for a boat just to show up for delivery and find the gel coat was horrible. Do you really want to wait for another 3-6 months. I would be pissed. 🤬🤬👀👀.. Love this channel

This channel is so awesome. You guys do great work and make great videos.

What goes up..........must come down. The average working man can't just go stroke a check for 120K for a bass boat........nutz. I think this is why there are more aluminum boat options, and the glass rigs are offering better "package" pricing. I hear Phoenix is making the 721 ZXL model with a wider front deck, 2 - 12" graphs, trolling motor, and power poles for around $76K, dealer prep not included. That is a great deal.

I d like to find out what happened to Triton boats. Went by the factory (Hwy 5, Midway, Ak.) and the doors were closed. Bass Cat is still there right behind where Triton was, Ranger is still on Hwy 178, in Flippin, Vexus also still in Flippin, but no Triton. Did they really close the doors or did they move? I live in Lakeview, Ar. in the middle of all these boat factories.

I look forward to your videos and hope I can shake your guys hands one day! I’m an Air Force veteran and if I’m ever in the lacrosse area could I please come say hi and thank you guys for all you do for the boating community? As always thank you Andy and crew, and as always… SPEED, MONEY, NO BRAKES! 🇺🇸

I'm subscribed! 😇

There will not be better quality products! There are multiple cost reduction projects happening to increase profitability. Therefore cheaper components going into finished goods.

My 1984 Tracker and the worn out 2000 Mercury 25 hp are still catching fish. Sure, we priced a new Tracker with the slick paint and new carpet at Bass Pro and it's just not worth it. A new payment for 15 years when what we have works isn't smart at this point. I just spent way over $1000 on just restocking lures and terminal tackle. What is going on, Joe?

Softening of demand...bass boat makers next? Anyways, see you Nov 4th

Deep sea fishing is slowly dying. I remember seeing bus after bus going to fish up north(cape cod). Now it’s five guys and van. These boats are still overpriced even at 80k and industry understands that. Everyone is trying to get rich, slip fees, electronics, engine services, hull maintenance for manufacturing defects, fuel, paint, accessories

Consumers are sick of these insane prices, mark ups for no reason both Marine and auto industries.

Force is making a comeback

mercury profited over 233 mil so far this year vs 263mil last year this same time frame. They are building a 20k (there cost) engine and selling it for 60k or even 40k..its greed or its them just trying to get every dime they can while they can because the market will settle it out in the long run

I hear yamaha and suzuki are hiring....

Hey Andy I’m a new subscriber to your channel. Can you do a Good Bad And Ugly on Cobra bass boats asking for a friend lol.

Suzuki is eating there at lunch in the re-power market. Everybody in my area is buying Suzuki’s because they’re a little bit cheaper and they have financing.

As someone looking to buy my first big boy bass boat (20ft).. Should I look to avoid 2020-2022 models? Should I go a little above my initial budget and capitalize on lower new prices/rebates? Or stick with used?

Wow, duck river marine dow southsells a 250 pro xs as soon as they get their hands on one!!! Its bull smicht

I don't know, because yes we want the core workers but how will that change the poor quality parts and bad designs ?A lot of company's are cutting workers and still making crap engines in the auto industry good example. It will surely help having core people building with quality control i just hope they listen to them and the consumer to change what thing are breaking and what isn't working. We want reliable , bottom line.Also you cant already get engines and parts in the auto indusry i hope that dosnt get like that with mercury.

I just got a new mercury 150 hope its not to bad

My question is where did you see the bass cat cougar for $79,000 at? I'm in the market and can't find 1 that cheap. I know they are out there but I can't find that dealership.

I’m already having shipping delays

I agree with your ideas. I hate your use of foul language. It distracts from your point!