Everything Merlin did is a self-fulfilling prophecy if you think about that 😅

Master Oogway?

@@michaelblower7363 yep

just cut it off. Mordred's girlfriend or something she was a traitor and a dumb. Merlin saved Mordred's ass and he still killed Arthur.

@@erkanerkol1431 mordred is the epitome of a traitor

Merlin did not make Morgana more evil. Don't get me wrong: I have serious criticisms of Merlin's actions in 5x11, but even I have to see that he tried his best to avoid what *he* thought was a worse situation.

@@Musicienne-DAB1995 Yeah, people love to blame Merlin. Morgana was already turning dark and would have continued down that road, and it's likely her hatred of Uther would win out over her love for Arthur. As for Mordred, he chose a girl who tried to kill his king over the monarch he swore an oath to. Arthur gave her a chance, and she spurned it, and Merlin pleaded on her behalf. Everything that happened is squarely on Mordred. I highly doubt Merlin not trusting him was a big deal to him.

Agreed except they we/arent evil.

Laura Warwriter it is how great TV shows are made

Leading Warwriter nevertheless destiny would have found another way to kill Arthur

"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it."

Yet if that was a part of his destiny that was never uncovered nothing could have been done. Merlin still fulfilled his destiny. You can’t blame merlin for not being able to see the future

I am surprised people blame merlin for poisoning Morgana, this woman was about to take the entire camelot to their graves including Arthur, she knew what she was doing, she chose to do it, he should have shown Morgause the wrong poison and let Morgana die

it's sad it all happened like that, cause Arthur could be still alive if it didnt... but as much as I'm sad about it i understant Merlin. it was ride or die for him. If Freya did something to Arthur I think that Merlin wouldve saved Arthur and, if needed, kill her. Merlin had his reasons, he was fighting for what he believed in (Arthur being great king) for years, why stop now, the time he was most needed? I agree that they could've even just shown something, anything, related to Freya in this situation, even just to be more dramatic, but on another side, nothing, not even Freya mattered to Merlin the way Arthur mattered to him, so... You understant him

Jesus. Came back to watch the video, saw your comment and wanted to write back and huh what - ive already done that... Still feel the same way. Still sad for Merthur. This series means much to me so Ive choosen to believe its real in a paralel universe and in that universe, Arthur never left, actually lived forever with Merlin by his side. Also I just remembered "your secret is safe with me" is what Lancelot once told Merlin, so maybe thats a throwback worth smiling about. Hope youre all good, see you in a year ❤

it was all part of the plan tbh no one can escape their destiny

He didn’t tell Arthur tho, he found out on his own. Even Mordred admits Merlin didn’t betray him at the time.

The reason why he treated Mordred poorly was because he thought he was deceiving everyone, that he was a betrayer in disguise. He realizes that Mordred was good turned bad this episode. He had loads of reasons to distrust him as it is.

Merlin believed in the prophesy and the crystals showed him something too. We can blame him for being too naive about it but we can't blame him for doing everything in his power to prevent harm from coming to Arthur. Merlin is in a very difficult spot when it comes to Mordred since he could rattle him out any moment. Mordred was an ambiguous character with his history from s2 and the writing in s5 could have been better. His motive for betraying and subsequently killing Arthur was based on how he treated Kara? Arthur was magnanimous and lenient to her but couldn't help when she still wanted to kill him. The writers should have given Mordred are more convincing motive.

@@granville7 Interesting point. Not sure what I think about whether Kara was convincing enough as a motive for betrayal, but it does help me revive from the emotional rollercoster of 5x11. You are right about his ambiguity in 2x11, though.

recently, I rewatched s05e01 and s05e02 and found myself agreeing with Dylan, the TS from above in the sense that s5 was the first time I was genuinely angry at Merlin. In s05e02 at 15:01 he was *shouting* at Arthur for not killing Mordred with a crossbow after their escape from the slave trader. Arthur already managed to shot the crossbow three times but spared Mordred and Merlin was livid. maybe it was high time we've got to see other sides of Merlin, not just the charming, loving, dorky, puppy-eyed cinnamon roll of the first 4seasons. s05e05 'The Disir' is another example. what the Disir are doing there is quite complicated and even now I'm not entirely sure to have completely worked it out yet so I forgive Merlin for being stumped given the time he had to grasp their scheme. however, the writers made his dialogue with Arthur particularly maddening. Merlin was asked if Arthur should allow magic back into Camelot and Merlin's reasoning for refusing was stupid even when he didn't really get what the disir were doing. back to Kara and s05e11: we and the writers knew it would be Mordred who kills Arthur in the end regardless if the show got renewed for another season or not. they wrote Mordred into someone Arthur made a knight so he had to eventually betray him with a motive before killing him. a love interest like Kara could do that in theory. but Mordred wasn't seen much interested in women and we didn't know Kara for long. it was all very sudden. disregarding all that it could have been convincing nonetheless. but why make Kara so stubborn? Arthur offered her a way out but she was hellbent on killing him anyway. why link Mordred to a woman who wants his king dead against all reason? makes it all far less convincing for us to believe Mordred would place his love for a woman we have almost no connection to above his loyalty and love for Arthur. why didn't the writers give him a more compelling reason to betray Arthur?

@@granville7they complete ignored the legend...mordred was a product of incest between morgause and Arthur

he sacrificed himself many times. I mean, you sayin he was supposed to really commit suicide so he could be trusted by Merlin in his last breath but since it already happened, he is supposed to reamin dead forever. Hell yeah, no. He did everything in his power, Arthur and Merlin had betrayed him. The only person that accepted Mordred was Morgana so, it makes sense and I hate what Merlin did. Truth is, destiny played Merlin. He never had betrayed them, but when he asked for only one thing, promising to never comeback for the sake of Kara, they just forbid it. Arthur could close his eyes and let things be, but he also couldn't. Theres a paralell, Merlin has grown a darkness inside him. Mordred where fully wishing a good future, full of light for those with magic. Freedom and love. Merlin was seeing Arthur above all goodness. I think Mordred was stronger to last so long against the cold sholder of his kin, Emrys, his savior.

Very good point.

Nonsense! It was Merlin who betrayed Mordred to Arthur. Mordred asked Merlin for one thing. "Do not betray me" And Merlin went and did exactly that. Mordred had no beef with Arthur, that's why he went and spoke to him before rescuing the Druid girl. It was his way of saying Goodbye and reassuring Arthur that there were no hard feelings. But Merlin had to go an ruin everything by betraying Mordred and ratting him out to Arthur.

@@abongilezolanipeterson5588 It's not that simple. I was appalled by Merlin's fixation on the prophecy about Mordred throughout Season 5. He definitely admitted to causing the very thing he tried to prevent. However, Kara's insistence on murdering Arthur, and her allegiance with Morgana made her a constant threat. Merlin could definitely have tried communicating more with Mordred, but he had just seen the sorceress, Finna, die recently, telling him not to trust Mordred. I still feel disappointed with Merlin's actions in this episode-- part of the reason I am rendered speechless by it-- but it is too simplistic to blame him for betraying Mordred.

Season 6 scripts? Yeah

I really thought about it and my first idea would be to befriend that person, so he has no reason for killing the one I love. (Mordred loved Arthur as his friend/king, so that was already great) If I was a very good friend to him and helped him, I would be close to him, giving him no reason to be angry with me or my loved one, and, so I could see and prevent it, if that person shows signs of feeling betrayed or anything that would make me think now is the time of the vision. Be close to your friends, closer to your enemies or however that saying goes.

exactly my thinking too. not sure what better option Merlin had to prevent the immortal knights from killing everyone in the citadel if he didn't take out Morgana somehow since she was the 'vessel' and although suspecting it herself did nothing to save her friends and family.

Nessa Lys The girl tries to kill Arthur and says to him you will get everything you deserve.

Very interesting point. I was extremely unhappy with Merlin's actions in 5x11, but I am forcing myself to see his point of view as well.

killing Mordred without 'proper reason' would make Merlin a monster. the prophecy alone isn't proof enough.

idiot u right then and there made it so mordred hates arthur and now the proficy prob will come true

didn't morgan la fey originally repent and take her brothers body to the isles of the blessed when he died

Erm, this is a rather late reply, but Merlin told Arthur at the end of the second to last episode... Arthur didn't take it gracefully. He came around in the end though.

TimeSarin Merlin knew the prophecy says Mordred would kill Arthur. Merlin was also jealous of Mordred because Arthur liked him and trusted him.

@@cristinejilimy9847 YES. I am clearly not the only one who noticed Merlin's jealousy of Mordred.

they intentionally made it look like Merlin was becoming very morally grey near the end of the show. how he practically bullies Mordred and how he ruthlessly killed Morgana and Agravaine without so much as a twitch.

I thought that Morgana was gonna be his mother honestly and we got the next best thing.

Bonjour

I do find it strange that narratively the people who are victims of genocide in the show are held to the same standard morally as the people heading the regime committing their genocide. I still love the show but some things are a little questionable.

Quatschk0pf you must have skimmed the season where he poisoned Morgana instead of actually watching it. Merlin had every reason to poison Morgana. Betraying Mordred on the other hand was just plain stupid.

it’s so hard not to empathise with morgana when the guy were supposed to be rooting for is merlin.

alas the girl wasn't 'foolish', more like fanatically enticed to kill Arthur no matter what. Arthur was so kind to her, pardoned her, showed leniency and was his magnanimous self and still she wanted to kill him. and the writers made Mordred blind and mad enough to take her death as motive for betraying Arthur. not very convincing since the writers tried all s5 to make us believe Mordred loved Arthur too.

@@granville7 Then again, Mordred had seen other Druids killed as a child by Camelot's soldiers. So I think they could have had a better transition between the end of Season 2 and the beginning of Season 5.