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This is why Jess and Carol are best friends... they bonded over their convoluted origins and histories 😂

I like the Saturday morning cartoon better when Jessica was a publisher of a magazine

One idea I thought was interesting was Madame Hydra being Jessica Drew's mother, mentioned in Spider-Woman Vol. 1 42-44. But then in Captain America Vol. 1 281 it was revealed that Viper was under the spell of Morgan le Fay and Chthon. In Avengers vol.4 #22 Jessica called Viper "mum", either just to humor her, or that Madame Hydra was like a surrogate mother towards Jessica during her Hydra years.

I had no idea Spider-Woman’s backstory was so complicated

i love Jessica Drew

Great subject! For older readers, a major problem was that we mourned her death in the Avengers. Then somehow she was back. This is going to be informative.

I like how Jessica's origins ties together so many different parts of Marvel. An enclave of scientist that includes her father, Warren, and HiEvolutionary. Living at Mount Wondergore, Puppet Master, Shield and Hydra and Taskmaster, you even had time to mention an Iron Man Rouge in there. Whiplash.

This was sweet 🎂

How about a Miles Warren/Jackal/Clone Saga episode? Or a comprehensive retrospective of Brynocki, the homicidal robot from Master of Kung Fu? Those were some wild stories and "he" was a great character.

My favorite Spider Woman ❤

Thanks for the amazing video ❤

Great video as always. Marvel continuity was amazingly solid when curated by Stan Lee, Roy Thomas and Mark Grunewald. Started getting messy in mid 00s when they let people like Bendis do whatever they wanted. Continuity completely fell off a cliff from 2015 due to non existent editorial standards that continue to this day. Personally I don't consider anything after 2015 as canon- because they mostly irreparably break the universe and lore. Avengers BC alone ruins the mythology of almost every character.

Nice covering of the original and the retcon back-to-back like that, thank you! ~_~

If they were to do Spider-Woman in the MCU, they'd probably do her newest origin.............but in all likelihood they'll probably do Ultimate Jessica and then weave in 616 Jess elements later down the line if she doesn’t die (e.g. having a kid).

That's great thanks again

Can you do history of the characters mentioned in this video? Are you going to do history of the other people who took on the mantle of Spider Woman like Charlotte Witter, Mattie Franklin and Julia Carpenter?

Your the man! Great video.

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Nice!!!!!! This is gunna be a good and really complicated one!!!!! Here we go! Lol

Great video as always. Can you cover the slingers?

My favourite Marvel-Character.

England's first very own Spider-Person.

So many characters are so interconnected in such fascinating ways. 6 degrees of separation indeed.

'THIS CHANNEL IS EXCELSIOR' ..

Can you do history of the Beyonder, Crossfire, Living Laser, Iron Monger, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo, Whiplash, Ultimo, Darkhawk, Union Jack, Annihilus, the Badoon and the Broods?

One other point- how long was she held by the Skulls? Was she killed when she was replaced, and then replaced when Vernanke was killed in Secret Wars. The ending was so rushed that I thought a good writer could find a bunch of loose ends. Call them "The Hidden", maybe in their disguises they fight against some local criminal element- like the Badoon?

Recently saw she had connections to Wolverine in Madripoor. With a full fledged Wo game coming out, I think it would be an amazing gameplay change up if they let us play as Jessica in that game. 2 playable heroes. 1 Wolverine. 1 Spider Woman. Although I would want it to be a solely Wolverine story with maybe some Spider gameplay sprinkled in there.

Since you did the History of the Mandarin and Fin_Fang_Foom, can you do history of Ultimo as well as the Shang-Chi villain known as the Death_Dealer?

I seriously hate when new writers feels so arrogant that they can just completely ignore history and change anything they feel like because it doesn't "fit the story they want to tell". If your story doesn't work with established history / lore, then your story sucks and needs to be reworked. That is not to say that all new writers are trash, not at all. More that they are lazy and or, as I said previously, arrogant. There was literally NO REASON to attempt to re-write the history of Jessica Drew, to make it seem as if the High Evolutionary doesn't exist (which he very clearly DOES EXIST), to change the New-Men into just normal people or to make normal scientist into willful collaborators of Hydra. None of these changes do any good for the character, in fact they are not only worse for Jessica they are worse for every single character involved. It makes her parents worse. It makes the High Evolutionary worse (and I love the way he was portrayed in the original origin of Jessica Drew). Literally every single person comes out looking worse and for what purpose, because the new writer was to arrogant to change his precious story to fit into established lore? You cannot even claim ignorance because he clearly showed that he was aware of the original story with the illusions shown clearly calling back to the original story. It was just pure arrogance that he felt that his story was so superior to what already existed that he just HAD to change 30+ years of history at that point in time without any care for the work already put in by every single writer and artist which came before him.

Can you do history of the U-Foes, the Ultimates team, Starjammers, Alpha Flight, the Annihilators, the Invaders, the Squadron Supreme, Doom Maidens, the Midnight_Sons, Young Avengers, Dark Avengers, Masters of Evil, the Thunderbolts and the Champions?

Wow 😮

Can you do a review on pretty boy or bone breaker next there’s a ton of more ideas I’ve got, but that’s all I can think of right now

Can you do origin of the Brood, the Gladiator, Hyperion, Star-Splendor, Havok, Vulcan, Jackal, Stingray, Quasar, Squirrel_Girl, Ultimus, Kly'bn, Kitty Pryde, Yotat, Dr.Faustus, Annihilus and Tryco Slatterus the Champion of the Universe?

Can you do origin of the Grim Reaper, Quicksilver, Devondra, Sentry, Mr Immortal, Captain Universe, Dreadknight, Deathcry, Blizzard, Starhawk, Flerken, Whirlwind, Chemistro, Whiplash, Ronan the Accuser, Ego the Living Planet, the Living Tribunal and Super_Skrull along with Avenger-X and the Protector?

Speaking of Jackal could we get a video about him ?

Are you going to do history of Ironheart, M'Baku, Namora, Attuma and Shuri as the Black Panther since they played a major role in the Black Panther Wakanda Forever movie?

Sometimes I wish there'd be a Wundagore show - with The Cat's Tigra origin transferred to Wundagore, & the cat people as naturally evolved fugitives from Wyndham's knights. Also the story of the Drews & Wyndham & Jackal. Chthon is referenced, & Bova is a character whose flashbacks include baby Wanda & Pietro. The Hydra agents from Tigra's origin could stumble upon Jessica Drew while hunting Tigra. Tigra joins the Avengers & meets Wanda. Patsy Walker gets Tigra's old costume. The three women find themselves investigating a series of Hydra heists, which leads them to meeting a Winter-Soldiered version of Spider-Woman... etc. etc.

The Handbook of the Marvel Universe ignores the events of that Spider-Woman: Origins miniseries, and so do I.

Bendis is secretly Mentallo and created Spider-Woman Origins as memory implants to screw with Jessica Drew.

Can you please make origin of Jocasta?

How long till you finish doing White Tiger: legacy of the Tiger by doing the history of Ava Ayala White Tiger? Can you do the history of Intelligencia in honour of the She-Hulk Disney Plus show?

what is it about mount wundagore and convoluted and conflicting origin stories?

The art of the 2005 miniseries is the definition of low T

How come we haven't seen Jessica Drew Spider Woman in the MCU since Hydra and the High-Evolutionary are part of her origin story and both have already appeared in the MCU? Do you think someone like Emilia Clarke should play her?

As ridiculous and convoluted as all this is, a funny footnote is that this was initially going to be wolverine’s origin story, before they decided better.

Since the battle-world story line, the 616 universe no longer exists, the new retcon could possibly fit.

I can ses why Jessica Drew was made Black cos shes been through so much shite, its absolutely mad that she will be an henchman for Miguel. This is so metta. How can she be mentally stable and how is she not a villain?

So in the revamped story, Jessica Drew Spider Woman was in a coma because of Hydra which means he never meets the High-Evolutionary, S.H.I.E.L.D Agents forced her to listen to what's really going on and Jessica Drew lost her mother to Whiplash. Speaking of which, Can you please do history of Whiplash since no one else has done an origin video of him ever since he appeared in the Iron Man 2 movie?

It is funny that the character has nothing to do with Spider-Man.

Honestly, I love Spider-Woman, but I can say there are times, with what the writers have done, I wouldn't mind a good retcon. At the same time, I'd like them to wisen up on that writing. Seriously, who thought the pregnant Spider-Woman story line would keep the comic selling? I was buying her comics because I want her to make it, but at the same time, was some bad stories her last few series. And gah, no outfit has beaten her classic.

What would have happened if we saw Jessica Drew Spider Woman in Spider-Man animated TV Shows like Spider-Man Unlimited and the Ultimate Spider-Man TV Show? What do you think she's going to be like in the Across the Spiderverse movie?

I blame the cosmic cube

The truth is that Wundagore Mountain is a magic mountain that causes all kinds of retcons in Marvel Universe (???)

Which all heroes like Spider-Man and Captain Marvel do you think Jessica Drew Spider Woman respects? Which one of them do you think she has the best chemistry with?

Good grief. That first origin has more continuity connections than the average Star Wars story nowadays.

And I thought DC Hawkman origin was confusing and he’s been off the 1940s white spider woman’s just been around since the 1970s

What do you think is the best thing about Jessica Drew Spider Woman in the comics from both her original story and the revamped story? Which one of her powers and abilities do you think is the best?

Classic origin was better. You can't beat the classics.

Ah! Bendis did that, of course; the 2009 is also by Bendis, so it doesn't count either, also the art is bad. Basically if Bendis is gonna ignore everything to rewrite the story into an inferior version I can ignore *him* in turn

Why could they just keep her history simple and easy to understand

So the high evolutionary is her father did not know that

Something good actually came off of Wundgore? Your slipping Chiton.

She should of had more of a connection to spider man instead of having zero connection to him and has nothing to do with him

This character is going to be very interesting how she's portrayed in the MCU.... I know SONY has some rights to her and the MCU has other rights to use her as well...

And like every other broken backstory they keep trying to "fix it" not realizing that retcons can ONLY ever make things more complicated. It is straight up not possible for a retcon to simply continuity. Ever. So writers need to STOP TRYING PLEASE I BEG OF YOU

What are her powers?And what do they have to do with spiders?

25:38 - Oh, Jessica! I know an alien blonde whose baby cousin is older than her - it's simply become the thing to do!

Sigh. I prefer the simplified version of her origin from the cartoon then the convoluted one in the comics. This to me sounds like Marvel had several ideas but didn’t know how to narrow them down.

So Spider-Woman alone had connections to titles such as Marvel-Boy, Werewolf By Night, Molloids, Puppetmaster, Magnus, Thor, Hydra, SHIELD and Thing, but NONE to Spider-Man? That's hilariously impressive lol. Yeah, I get it, technically she came before Spidey, but it's curious how they didn't connect the two automatically like every other male/female superhero counterparts. Just look at Ant-Man and Wasp, Hulk and She-Hulk, Thor and Valkyrie, Batman and Batgirl and Batwoman, all of them are just derivatives of the originals. I've always wanted to see Spider-Woman in the MCU, because of her connections with Hydra and the Avengers, but with all the rest... now I NEED her there, specially due to the connections with the Fantastic Four, Werewolf By Night and the High Evolutionary. It's the perfect moment for her. They could make a Disney Plus show, with Jessica's mom pregnant during WWII getting hit by a bolt of a genetic experiment machine, her mom getting attacked by the original Werewolf By Night, her being raised by Bova, getting taken by Hydra and then taken by SHIELD. Imagine all the connections they could make. They could show Jessica meeting Alicia and her father as a child, leading them to show up in Fantastic Four movies, her meeting the Winter Soldier during Cold War, and Nick Fury at the end to recruit her, maybe even Natasha.

What do you think Jessica Drew Spider Woman would be like if Nick Fury recruited her into S.H.I.E.L.D to make up with everything she did with Hydra? What would she be like as a S.H.I.E.L.D Agent similar to Black Widow?

I thought captain marvel carol Danvers origin and inconsistent writing was a mess! Jessica Drew spider woman is even more confusing. Wow!

The classic origin was much better.

Too bad she didn't date a SHIELD Agent named Mike Hunt .

I wonder if the Origins issue was drawn by the person who made Alex+Ada. It looks like the same ugly artstyle.

Personally, I prefer the revamped version because it's a bit less convoluted and confusing. Although, if I were to make up my own version of Jessica's origin I think I would at least try to fit some ideas from the original version in there somewhere.

How's Jessica Drew Spider Woman different from the other Spider people? How come she has electrical abilities like Miles Morales Spider-Man? What do you think Jessica Drew Spider Woman would be like if she worked with the High Evolutionary?

wait why is she black in ATSV

Why is the new comic so ugly? It looks like it was illustrated by wiki how, sometimes the characters look like bobby hill.

One thing I didn’t like about ATSV is that they made her black. Honestly Stop race swapping characters Hollywood it’s annoying.

In my mind, the only Canon is the cartoon. anything else is a little bit too far-fetched

Why is the art in the 2005 story SO BAD

I was wondering from the spiderverse movie, then was like guess they took some creative liberties, then was like glad they did cause this character seems hella boring

This is proof that writing at Marvel has completely atrophied and, in this case, the art. A totally unnecessary bland, tasteless and dull retelling of her TRUE origin (but told wrong and without any emotional attachment) This is why _current_ Marvel is such a joke when compared to _past_ Marvel. You have to read "in the past" to get the _REAL_ Marvel experience. \m/

This looks like a very bad manwha the fuck happened at marvel in that time😭😭😭

The artwork of the comics from this millennium is awful. It looks like WikiHow artwork.

I hate retcons. Marvel and DC have ruined many character origins. These newer writers are arrogant, condescending and think the readers are stupid. Jessica is one of the oldest superheroes, by age.

She gets no respect, she had venom blast first now mikes has it and it's cool. Just wow.