MESA 2 - Pins and Interfacing

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Askjerry

Askjerry

Күн бұрын

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@sto2779
@sto2779 7 ай бұрын
Jeeze this was the best explanation on how opt-isolators works and everything about MESA cards for beginners on youtube. Thanks! Would like the PDF/Spreadsheet.
@janborren1
@janborren1 4 жыл бұрын
Doing a retrofit of an old cnc lathe, this and your other Mesa instructional videos helped out a lot! Thanks a bunch
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad! If you get stuck, send me an email and if I have the time I will be glad to help you out.
@yudicnc1784
@yudicnc1784 4 жыл бұрын
Hurco vm2 will retrofit,but still conduse about what mesa card will using, Have swap arm atc,
@arthurkids237
@arthurkids237 5 жыл бұрын
as always wonderful.
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jerry hope you had a nice happy Christmas and want to thank you for this priceless series for us mesa and electronics n00bs 👍 after trying to ingest cards manuals dry, this will surely help swallow next attempt! Keep these coming and thank you very much again
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 5 жыл бұрын
I got a bit sidetracked as you will see in MESA 5-Axis #4... but I'll be doing more with the MESA in future videos.
5 жыл бұрын
@@Askjerry great to know 👍In case you'd be running out of ideas 😋 I'd gladly be helped by a video about encoders (linear/rotary, incremental/absolute) feedback setup... Have a great day and new year's eve
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 5 жыл бұрын
@ Actually... I did at least cover part of your request here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i7RokseG2am2YZ8.html Linear and Rotary work the same, the only difference is that the rotary has the slots/stripes around a circle and the linear is just a long strip of stripes typically printed on glass or plastic. Quadrature encoders are the type used... they have a repeating pattern of four states (quad) that can be read. You keep track of the count to know position. Absolute encoders use one track per bit... so you would need 4 tracks for 16 possible positions... 8 tracks for 256 positions. If you had 16 tracks, you would have 65,536 positions... which sounds like a lot... but if you had a 5-start ballscrew where each rotation was 10mm... you would have a travel of only 10mm... with a 10:1 pulley... still only 100mm. And... an absolute encoder with 16 tracks would either be very large, or very expensive. A high accuracy incremental (quadrature) encoder is about $90. The same type in absolute, 12 bit (4096 position) is $283 from the same manufacturer. usdigital.com Stepper vs. DC with Encoder - The DC servo has the advantage of positional feedback... so if there is an error (something stopped the movement) the computer would know. With a stepper, if it misses steps... you just do not know. The encoders take more to set up... adjusting the gain, the delay, a PID loop... determines amount of change... and if the motor is keeping up or lagging to control current. In practice with my mills... I have had no problems with the steppers. I test them to see how much they can handle... then never go beyond 2/3 of that limit. Since the modification of the Monster Mill... i have had no issues. Absolute Encoders - Good for a single rotation to determine a repeatable angle with no initial calibration needed.. what you read is where you are at. Incremental Encoders - Less complex, great for multiple rotations. Need to be initialized to know where the starting point is. Stepper (No Encoder) - The stepper acts as a physical encoder as long as it is not pushed hard enough to loose steps. Needs to be initialized to have a known starting point. Does this help? Jerry
@christopherkylen380
@christopherkylen380 2 жыл бұрын
Instablaster.
@rbrpulling
@rbrpulling 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Jerry!
@Antony_blr
@Antony_blr 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome tutorial. Thanks for the effort.
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 5 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that. Today (December 16) I just finished my project in Atlanta... and I'm home here in Austin until at least January 2nd. (In theory) So I'm very hopeful that I can get some more videos created and do some more projects. (Fingers crossed!)
@flashpointrecycling
@flashpointrecycling 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Jerry! Thank you, best description I have seen anywhere. Except for that bit between 11:22 and 20:40. Blinky lights? Up until that I was right with you. OOPs, i have seen the end now. You use the 4n35 so you can control a 24 volt relay with only 5 volts output. I have a different work around. No resisters and no ohms law calculations. I get a different relay from digikey. But........ I am new here. At the risk of being just a little too drippy, I have been studying this subject for over a year. The intimidation factor has been huge. I have been to the MESA web site 20 times. I start reading and every one of their cards says basically the same thing. God forbid I open a manual - I will come out blind, bewildered and ready for a nap. This video painted me a road map. My biggest break through in over a year. Exactly what I needed. Thank you.
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 5 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. I'm sorry if the section on opto-couplers was confusing... let me attempt to clarify. If you are running the MESA with 24 volts, which is typical... then if you have the 7i76 for example, and you have an output... it will switch from 0 volts to 24 volts. Imagine now that you want to turn on some 5 volt device. POOF right! So we take the 24 volts and drop it down with a resistor to turn on a tiny LED in the plastic chip. On the other side of the chip is a transistor... an electric switch if you will. We connect our 5 volt supply and device... and it gets switched on and off. With the 24 volts safely on the other side of the 4N35 chip. Additionally... say you goober something up big time... connect 120 volts to the chip... well... the chip will be destroyed... but the opposite side is protected up to 4000 volts. So you save that expensive MESA card and the computer. The 7i76D
@flashpointrecycling
@flashpointrecycling 5 жыл бұрын
@@Askjerry Thanks Jerry, you are the coolest. My project is a Hurco KMB1, DC Servos and 5.5 HP 3 phase spindle. In many respects it is similar to your MONSTER build.
@minskmade
@minskmade 4 жыл бұрын
great video learned a ton. thank you so much
@RF-yh3qh
@RF-yh3qh 5 жыл бұрын
thanks to make these video!
@petsatcom
@petsatcom 5 жыл бұрын
Great JOB fantastic
@alexchiosso221
@alexchiosso221 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jerry. Very nice video and a clear explanation for an "average joe" as I am. :-)
@andreacecchettomuson
@andreacecchettomuson 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks from italy
@The_Unobtainium
@The_Unobtainium 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jerry for your work! Extremely informative video. I have Mesa cadrs on my desk and some DC servos waiting to be controlled by Mesa. Have you tried to use different configuration on Mesa - PWM signals driving H-bridge and feedback from servo encoders?
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 2 жыл бұрын
I have not. There is a lot I would like to do with the Mesa card but haven't been able to do so. I have a PUMA robot that an idiot friend destroyed the main cable, so I need to build a new controller. All the motors are DC Motors with Quadrature encoders... so it would be a perfect start. When time permits... I'll get that done.
@cloakableLIVE
@cloakableLIVE 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to correct something in the video; yes 120v can kill, but it isn't the voltage that kills you, it's the amperage. (An easy mnemonic I learned in school was 'volts jolt, but amps kill'). Keep an eye on your amps!
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I understand this. Some of my audience not so much. But they should get the general idea... The hot side is dangerous. :-)
@DynamicSeq
@DynamicSeq Жыл бұрын
**Facepalm** There is always one......Where do you find 120v with 25 mA ???? anytime you have 120V you have enough amps to kill you...
@sto2779
@sto2779 7 ай бұрын
Actually 120v with low amperage "can" kill you. You don't want that no where near your heart or brain for example. 120 volts and 100 milliamps can pass through your heart and give you a heart failure. Google it. While it is true that high amperage kills, but it is false conjecture. Tell us why a 100 AMP car battery with 12 Volts does not kill you? Its because the force of 12 Volts is not great enough to pass through your skin. Hope this makes sense.
@MrCcfly
@MrCcfly 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for video ,,want to buy eth card 7i96 .so is it same wiring for steppers and drivers like this one ? or they changed something
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 5 жыл бұрын
From what I was reading... " The 7I96 is a Ethernet connected motion control interface designed for interfacing up to 5 Axis of step&dir step motor or servo motor drives. Step rates up to 10 MHz are supported. The 7I96 also has 11 isolated inputs plus 6 isolated outputs for general purpose I/O use. A high speed encoder interface is provided for spindle synchronized motion. A RS-422/RS485 serial expansion port and a parallel expansion port." It appears the stepper section is wired the same, but there are only 6 outputs instead of 16 that the 7i76D has... and only 11 inputs instead of the 32 that the 7i76 series has. Not sure why you wouldn't go with these LAN variants... store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=7i76e
@hdheuejhzbsnnaj
@hdheuejhzbsnnaj 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Jerry, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but you mislabeled the jumpers in the beginning. W1 and W2 set in UP position to provide 5V power to daughter card -Jumper mislabeled as W3 in video. Thanks!
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I added some text in the description to let people know.
@hdheuejhzbsnnaj
@hdheuejhzbsnnaj 4 жыл бұрын
@@Askjerry Thanks! Your video was very helpful in getting me up and running. I appreciate the time it takes to make these videos!
@gustavotavares5233
@gustavotavares5233 5 жыл бұрын
Hello teacher! :D I bought mesa 7i93 ethernet board. Can i control directly step/dir or i need 7I37TA opto-isolated
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 5 жыл бұрын
I pulled up the manual: www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i93man.pdf And it says that the board can be configured for STEP/DIRECTION (PDF PG 5) On page 15 (PDF PG 19) if you configure the board for SVST8_4IM2, which will give you a 4-Axis stepper motor configuration. The SVST4_8 configuration will give you 8-Axis stepper motor control.The unused pins appear to be encoder inputs and/or GPIO. Other than that... all i can say is start reading: forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/search?query=mesa%207i93&childforums=1 Good luck! Jerry
@jasondevault5066
@jasondevault5066 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome!...????? About Ethernet card.... I have an old windows pc running lunixcnc everything is work great. I want to get a Gigabyte brix mini pc for my new lunixcnc set up but don't know what mesa card to get. that computer only has Ethernet and USB 3.0. Any suggestion?
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 4 жыл бұрын
I have not done a project using the Ethernet version of the MESA card so you would likely need to go to the LinuxCNC forum to get that information. Inside the computer I used, there was an Ethernet and a USB, but also a PCI card slot. If you have the slot inside, then you simply get the mother/daughter board combination, plug in the mother board, and attach the daughter... and you are done. As for the Ethernet version... it can be found here. store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=343&search=ethernet More information can be found on the forum: forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/search?query=7I95%20Ethernet&childforums=1
@jasondevault5066
@jasondevault5066 4 жыл бұрын
@@Askjerry Thanks. I found the info. it's board 7i92. I guess I should have said keep my same c10, kelling 5056 steppers and 290 oz motors hook up.
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 4 жыл бұрын
@@jasondevault5066 Ok... sounds good. Manual: mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i92man.pdf Store: store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=302
@michaellapierre1244
@michaellapierre1244 4 жыл бұрын
You can also use the 7i76E/ED. It runs off an ethernet cable. You choose the E or ED version depending on the type of outputs you want, Sourcing/Sinking. See pages 1 and 17 in the manual. It runs up to 5 axis of steppers or servos plus spindle. Some of the I/O can also run an MPG as well. The configurations are similar to what Jerry did in this video. It is fully expandable but already has quite a bit of features. Someone else did a video a while back and he ran it off a laptop with a real-time LinuxCNC kernel. The machine was flying. Pretty cool. If you get it running on that Gigabyte brix mini pc, let us know how the speed is. I was looking at the Intel NUC's or even the RaspberryPi 4 for this purpose. Another option is the 7i96 but it only has 11 inputs and 6 outputs. Great video Jerry! Nice work.
@SelikSaar
@SelikSaar 2 жыл бұрын
Спасибо.Жаль субтитры недоступны.
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 2 жыл бұрын
Я сожалею. Я думал, что они у меня включены. Позвольте мне добавить субтитры для вас. И спасибо, что сообщили мне об этом!
@SelikSaar
@SelikSaar 2 жыл бұрын
@@Askjerry Вам спасибо за проделанную работу. Более подробного , наглядного и красиво оформленного руководство я нигде не видел.
@Askjerry
@Askjerry 2 жыл бұрын
@@SelikSaar Павел, Спасибо за ваши добрые слова. Если вы хотите, чтобы работа была сделана правильно, отдайте ее ленивому человеку, потому что он сделает ее только один раз! Я делаю видео так, как хочу, чтобы меня учили... чтобы я полностью понимал каждый шаг.
@vinhnguyenvan3962
@vinhnguyenvan3962 Жыл бұрын
Hello! I'm from Vietnam, how can I buy your products ? Thank!
@Askjerry
@Askjerry Жыл бұрын
I do not have any products to sell. Tôi không có bất kỳ sản phẩm để bán If you are looking for MESA cards, they are available here... Nếu bạn đang tìm kiếm các thẻ MESA, chúng có sẵn ở đây ... store.mesanet.com/ Được dịch sang tiếng Việt: store-mesanet-com.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=vi&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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