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Met. Neophytos Explains the Presence of the Maronite Bishop

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Excerpted from a Q&A with Metropolitan Neophytos of Morphou which took place during the Conference “On the Eighth Œcumenical Council” in Lake Guntersville, Alabama (March 14-16, 2024): • Advice for the Last Ch...
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@orthodox1717
@orthodox1717 4 ай бұрын
Humility.
@Awakeningspirit20
@Awakeningspirit20 4 ай бұрын
@EasternChristian333 Having met a Lebanese Orthodox online, I think this is just how Middle Easterners are - they're all friends with each other. They may dislike certain groups or what those have done to each other, but in the end they see the person for who they are. The Lebanese guy does not bash Muslims/Islam or necessarily Maronites, mainly just Catholics and the French lol. He said that Catholics started the civil war there basically with the French.
@pavlosmelqui5087
@pavlosmelqui5087 3 ай бұрын
maybe....but the OE acted as an inquisitor during many opportunities...covid, in "wrongly performed" Baptisms, etc. Although I agree with the criticisms, I have never seen the benefit of doubt being given in other circumstances... I know that priests and deacons are literally obliged to participate in these joint prayers, or "baptize only the head" and so on... .and I've never seen a balanced word, always the "hammer" beating...but with Metropolitan Neophytos it was different...yeah, maybe this friend's omophorion is heavy...in the end it's all about friendship.
@markpowell5228
@markpowell5228 4 ай бұрын
Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ, Who has consecrated to Himself such a humble, pious man! Thank you & God bless you, Met. Neophytes, for acting in such humility to sooth any hint of scandal. A true pastor!
@justian1772
@justian1772 4 ай бұрын
This is a great example of humility. Inspiring.
@nfinzer22
@nfinzer22 4 ай бұрын
I would also have thought a non-vested cleric of another church or faith to not be “common prayer” but what an example of obedience and humility.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
Your thought is obviously not in line with the Orthodox phronema.
@ducky1016
@ducky1016 4 ай бұрын
Glory toGod
@niki3773
@niki3773 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for addressing this!
@bottomoftherabbithole
@bottomoftherabbithole 3 ай бұрын
Glory to God! True humility. Imagine not being satisfied by this.
@AnthonyKypros
@AnthonyKypros 3 ай бұрын
Άγιε Μόρφου 🤩
@yeembus
@yeembus 4 ай бұрын
Hierarchs make mistakes like anyone else, but that doesn’t mean they can’t humble themselves and repent. Even the saints made mistakes when they were alive: St. Porphyrios is a great example. We don’t have a Pope in Orthodoxy, and that’s a great thing.
@Jukkias
@Jukkias 3 ай бұрын
I am still new in orthodoxy. Which mistake did st. Pophyrious make?
@yeembus
@yeembus 3 ай бұрын
@@Jukkias When he was a new confessor, he gave people penances based on the Rudder and led them into despondency, which taught him to be very gentle in confessions.
@Jukkias
@Jukkias 3 ай бұрын
​@@yeembus thank you for this information! 🙏
@tonymiller5841
@tonymiller5841 4 ай бұрын
I can't remember when I saw something as inspiring as this.
@MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonne
@MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonne 4 ай бұрын
I have a good friend who is a Maronite priest, too. We don't pray in the same Church, but he is a very dear friend 😀
@anon8638
@anon8638 3 ай бұрын
Great to have reflective and repentant leaders in the church. A great example.
@Calciu_83
@Calciu_83 4 ай бұрын
Many years your eminence
@christianlion2501
@christianlion2501 4 ай бұрын
PLS friends from 2.44 till the end can you explain me where are these monasteries? They are fantastic places
@stefanieblanche2748
@stefanieblanche2748 4 ай бұрын
Is it wrong for us to go to holy confession or to lithurgy to a priest that prays with the catholics or protestants?
@ianmackenzie686
@ianmackenzie686 4 ай бұрын
I'm no cleric but I would think there wouldn't be a problem because the priest's powers of office, or whatever the term is, are still valid.
@GGME7777
@GGME7777 4 ай бұрын
I think all Orthodox in the world should pray together NOW and stop all this nonsense, they all agree in so much
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
Not all who call themselves "orthodox" are Orthodox. Many heretical groups adopt that attribute in their names w/o substantiating it with the Orthodox faith and are thus liars.
@TrollsFormers05
@TrollsFormers05 4 ай бұрын
How is this different from an inquirer coming into the church to visit? Seriously, I'm not trolling. Is the problem generally that these heterodox clergy stands "up there" in front of the altar sided with the orthodox clergy? What if a maronite bishop visits an orthodox service and sits at the regular pews (or stands with the congregation)? Is that also bad?
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
There is a profound difference between an inquirer and heretic with no intention of repenting.
@sharrouken4040
@sharrouken4040 Ай бұрын
Orthodox Christians in the Christian part of Lebanon are a small minority, and we Maronite although we are the majority of Christians respect them very much , and when we have a common prayer we invite them to assist and they are always in our Churches. Orthodox lay people attend a lot of our Maronite Churches, schools, hospitals, universities.... and no one ever told them you are heretics or schismatics or any of that insult comments. The real problem is a long history hatred between the Greeks and the Latins, that divided the church between East and West and we Maronites are paying the price, in the midst of all those historical divisions, we were fighting and trying to survive under the muslim rule to preserve our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. And for those who do not know, northern Cyprus was all Maronite until the ottoman invasion that butchered and killed most of the Maronites and destroyed almost all villages, exept 4 villages and still two of them are occupied by turkish army. in the northern part of the island. Today we are a minority in Cyprus but if we weren't killed we would became the majority. And plus in ancient times the first people who lived and created cities in Cyprus where the Lebanese Phoenicians way before the Greeks so we are not
@sharrouken4040
@sharrouken4040 Ай бұрын
So we are not strangers in Cyprus, we are in the core of the island even from thousands of years. So all in all, we pray for the inner division in the church to stop. the church is the body of christ not your own , and it is really sad to see those divisions between the Churches. If Ukrainian Orthodox and Russian Orthodox do not pray together and there is no communion between them, if Antiochiam Orthodox and the Jerusalem orthodox Patriarchate do not pray together, we are not surprised that you do not pray with us, If you orthodox hate each other and every year we watch a division between your many churches. So fix your problem and then come and insult us. We are the Aramaic churches we speak the language of Jesus, we are the syriacs, the first christans, our liturgy is the old Antiochain rite, we Syriac Maronites are very proud Christians, we died for Christ in this middle east, we fought and still fight for the cross. and let history remember when we were Christians, Greeks were still pagans, and than began teaching us who is a heretic and who is not. Fix your inner problems and fix your historical hatred with the Latins and leave us alone. Amen
@sakellarioudimitris7439
@sakellarioudimitris7439 3 ай бұрын
That's why they call him a heretic. But he isn't...... l
@SummerLove-yv1kf
@SummerLove-yv1kf 3 ай бұрын
As someone who is considering orthodoxy would it no longer be allowed to pray with my very religious reformed family members?
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria 2 ай бұрын
If you become Orthodox they could pray with you, with Orthodox prayers.
@Twin2241
@Twin2241 4 ай бұрын
What’s the chant in the end of the video?
@GheorgheDH
@GheorgheDH 4 ай бұрын
I think it’s the Paraklesis service to the Holy Icon of The Theotokos Vimatarissa from Vatopedi Monastery of Mt Athos.
@Twin2241
@Twin2241 4 ай бұрын
@@GheorgheDH thanks man
@GheorgheDH
@GheorgheDH 4 ай бұрын
@@Twin2241you’re welcome brother. God bless us all
@orthodox.saints.teachers
@orthodox.saints.teachers 4 ай бұрын
💝☦👑🇷🇸🇷🇺💯✅
@canarino3075
@canarino3075 4 ай бұрын
💝☦🇬🇧🇬🇷🇲🇽
@gregcoogan8270
@gregcoogan8270 4 ай бұрын
So we should not invite any non Orthodox people to our services? We should not pray when out and about in a restaurant, grocery store, airport, work, etc, because we are in the presence of non Orthodox? Someone needs to clarify this. Yes, if you are actively, intentionally participating in, praying with the words, making prostrations, singing along the heterodox services, or if you are a heterodox clergy going into the altar area of an Orthodox church and actively in a priestly manner participating in the liturgy, obviously no. Or, vice versa, you are a lay person and Orthodox, and you do the same at an heterodox service, then no, obviously. But just physically being in the same room at the same time or in the same space at the same time? We are not Samaritans, who I think completely disallow any non Samaritans from attending their services, and if one does, the completely stop the service and go home. Someone needs to clarify this because it doesn't make sense.
@HabibJackson
@HabibJackson 4 ай бұрын
It's acting like Pharisees
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
You do not get it. Orthodox services are gathering of the faithful. Heretics have no place in our services. Only the catechumens do. Everybody else should repent first and join catechetic classes if they want to partake in our services. There can't be common prayer with those who are not confessing Orthodox faith. (2 Corinthians 6,15) And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
@be4593
@be4593 3 ай бұрын
It does make sense. There is a book written about this subject called “ on prayer with the heterodox”. Unrepentant and non inquiring people of other faiths should not be present at any time of the liturgy.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria 3 ай бұрын
​​@@HabibJacksonIf what the OP here said was true, yes, but it's not, so not Pharisees.
@kurtwhiteley481
@kurtwhiteley481 3 ай бұрын
as a Catholic, am I not allowed to visit an Orthodox church for Vespers? or is it only wrong if I were a priest praying alongside an Orthodox priest? just asking out of curiosity, as Catholics wouldn't have a problem with Orthodox priests or lay persons praying with us even in the holy Mass
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria 3 ай бұрын
Concelebrating clergy is not allowed as to us RC clergy are laity as ordination is only in the Church. If we compromise we lose the Faith like Rome has.
@Darius-hp9tw
@Darius-hp9tw 3 ай бұрын
Nu merge traducerea in romana
@pvdp2
@pvdp2 4 ай бұрын
Maronites and Chaldeans are the only Eastern Catholics that say the filioque because they accept the latinization of their respective churches.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
... and as we all know, Filioque is heresy.
@pvdp2
@pvdp2 27 күн бұрын
But the Syriac, Coptic and Greek Catholics refused to say the Filioque.
@oogaleeboogalee6522
@oogaleeboogalee6522 4 ай бұрын
I have a question: this Maronite man did not pray during the Divine Liturgy, yet was still barred from attending for being a Maronite, does that mean simply attending a Divine Liturgy as a non-orthodox Christian constitute common prayer?
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
In the text of Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy priest calls all unbaptized to leave at a certain point, that is, at the end of the part of the Liturgy dedicated to the catechumens. Basically, those who are NOT either catechumens or faithful Orthodox have no place in our Divine Liturgy.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 ай бұрын
@@emp33 I would agree with you that those ancient rules are not strictly enforced these days... and perhaps there is no need as in our days percentage of those who are present but non-believers is rather small.
@atherdain4913
@atherdain4913 3 ай бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 Are you implying that Catholics don't have proper baptism?
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 ай бұрын
@@atherdain4913 Proper Baptism exists in the Lord's Church only. We skip water dunking while performing all other rituals whenever we receive repented heretics from Heterodox who are maintaining belief in Holy Three. Those who do not hold that belief, we Baptize completely.
@atherdain4913
@atherdain4913 3 ай бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 Do you think my baptism is irregular since i am a latin christian?
@edwardhearn5058
@edwardhearn5058 3 ай бұрын
As a Maronite catholic I find it sad we can't see our hierarchy share vespers together, at one stage in history we would've been direct brethren, but now you address us as 'heretics'. How sad.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria 3 ай бұрын
Our clergy can't concelebrate with those outside of the Church, it's always been that way. If one embraces heresy, that's heterodoxy. It has to be this way to preserve the true Faith.
@edulopb1487
@edulopb1487 3 ай бұрын
Este señor es un tarado, por suerte los ortodoxos y su odio cada vez tienen menos miembros a nivel mundial menos la iglesia Kgb por desgracia la división entre los cristianos nos hará caer totalmente como cultura
@dp34576
@dp34576 2 ай бұрын
​@@LadyMaria In which world, is a man standing in silence next to you considered "concelebrating?"
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria 2 ай бұрын
@@dp34576 The person mentioned clergy concelebrating Vespers together, if you read the original comment, hence my response.
@sakellarioudimitris7439
@sakellarioudimitris7439 2 ай бұрын
What do Christ and Belial have in common?
@ektypoths
@ektypoths 4 ай бұрын
This is a Great example of the fall of our hierarchs in Greece and Cyprus. Ecumenism has gone through the entire Church and in those who seem to confessors of Orthodoxy like Metr.Neophytos. Those all are excuses. Our Holy Fathers would never do such things as you Metr.Neophytos. This is not humility this is ECUMENISM. This is condescension with the Heresy.
@Azzury.
@Azzury. 3 ай бұрын
We are living in unprecedented times. Have you not looked around. This scorched earth mentality does not suffice to help Christendom as it is attacked from sides.
@borremoonkey
@borremoonkey 4 ай бұрын
Hold on....so he said that his Elder Gabriel told him it was wrong of him to have had a heretic there during the Vesper service but at the same time there is a video from last year, in which Met. Neophytos admits his fellow hierarchs are heretics including the EP but everyone needs to still recognize his authority (which sounds like papist ecclesiology) and remain in communion with. Plus he also believes the New Calendar is superior to the Old Calendar in that same video. Things aren't adding up.
@Kingdom_enjoyer
@Kingdom_enjoyer 4 ай бұрын
the Ecumenical Patriarchate... having lost its significance as a pillar of truth and... being possessed by an exorbitant love of power represents a pitiful spectacle." + SAINT JOHN OF SHANGHAI AND SAN FRANCISCO
@DoIoannToKnow
@DoIoannToKnow 4 ай бұрын
None of those things were referenced here, can you point to exactly where this information is coming from? What you are doing is gossiping if you will not give exact references. Not good
@OrthodoxEthos
@OrthodoxEthos 4 ай бұрын
Please provide info on the video where he supposedly says his fellow hierarchs are heretics as we haven’t heard such a thing from him. In the video posted here, as he explains, he first thought that it wouldn’t be common prayer for the Maronite to simply attend the Orthodox service but he repented when Elder Gabriel said this wasn’t correct. Regarding his words on the calendars, in one video we have seen he was not saying the New Calendar is better but that it was better to accept the New than to break communion with the rest of the Orthodox Church (including local churches who remained on the Old) over the calendar issue. He said those who accepted the New (and those on the Old that remained in communion) have produced far more saints compared to those who broke off to become Old Calendarists.
@b_ks
@b_ks 4 ай бұрын
I look forward to the answering of these questions.
@ianmackenzie686
@ianmackenzie686 4 ай бұрын
@@Kingdom_enjoyer St. John of Shanghai was a muskovite and a romanov worshipper. While a pious and respectable man, he had his biases. And nobody says a word after Gundyaev, the billionaire schismatic in moskow unilaterally broke communion with the EP over an administrative issue.
@RaymondFelixFrancis
@RaymondFelixFrancis 4 ай бұрын
Those who are scandalised should judge not those who they see praying in the proscribed way, but should judge their own hearts... When we pray, God regards the motives of the heart, not who might be standing next to us.... Is a man disqualified by who stands next to him? If I willfully pray in an unproscribed way with the unorthodox, then I disqualify myself... These are simple things to grasp are they not? Judge not...🙏☦️♥️
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
You do not get it. Orthodox services are gathering of the faithful. Heretics have no place in our services. Only the catechumens do. Everybody else should repent first and join catechetic classes if they want to partake in our services. There can't be common prayer with those who are not confessing Orthodox faith. (2 Corinthians 6,15) And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
@RaymondFelixFrancis
@RaymondFelixFrancis 4 ай бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 so then you would leave no room for the visitor or inquirer to stand amongst us , experiencing something beneficial to their souls, before maybe they decide to become a catechumen? Surely a good place for God's grace to act upon them!
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
@@RaymondFelixFrancis You still do not get it... There is a profound difference between an inquirer and heretic with no intention of repenting. While former one has bunch of reasons to be present at our services, later one has NONE.
@RaymondFelixFrancis
@RaymondFelixFrancis 4 ай бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 I concede.
@pavlosmelqui5087
@pavlosmelqui5087 3 ай бұрын
the OE acted as an inquisitor during many opportunities...covid, in "wrongly performed" Baptisms, etc. Although I agree with the criticisms, I have never seen the benefit of doubt being given in other circumstances... I know that priests and deacons are literally obliged to participate in these joint prayers, or "baptize only the head" and so on... .and I've never seen a balanced word, always the "hammer" beating...but with Metropolitan Neophytos it was different...yeah, maybe this friend's omophorion is heavy...in the end it's all about friendship.
@ElohimHaveMercyICXC
@ElohimHaveMercyICXC 4 ай бұрын
The YT Shorts from OE is better instruction me. Thank you Very Much. Ο Θεος ειναι μαζι σας. IC XC NIKA
@MrElly-py1cl
@MrElly-py1cl 4 ай бұрын
I think Jesus would say thank you for my names sake but all churches missed the point of his words and of course praying out loud, go back and read it again of course surely you'll have to give up your favorite high seat And your tokens . You study your whole life and receive nothing and you receive the same reward as the last to repent.
@dil9402
@dil9402 4 ай бұрын
I wonder wether they would alow our Lord and the apostels to pray with them as they were Jews
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
Ethnicity is irrelevant. What matters is the faith. Good wine is to be kept away from poisonous one and that is what Eastern Orthodox are doing.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria 3 ай бұрын
They weren't after the New and Everlasting Covenant, the continuation of the Second Temple era. They were the first leaders of the Orthodox Church So that comment doesn't make sense.
@ianmackenzie686
@ianmackenzie686 4 ай бұрын
To those out there considering joining the orthodox church thinking that somehow it is free of squabbles, schisms, major disagreements, contradiction and scandal, i present exhibit A....ie this video.
@user-yk7ie5rn9r
@user-yk7ie5rn9r 4 ай бұрын
The church never was and never will be free of schism. Sadly
@Orthoindian
@Orthoindian 4 ай бұрын
People join because it's the true Church and not because they think it's some perfect group with no problems.
@ianmackenzie686
@ianmackenzie686 4 ай бұрын
@@Orthoindian Of course you speak for everyone, don't you. I sense you're a convert.
@hayeshopper8998
@hayeshopper8998 4 ай бұрын
The differences orthodoxy isn’t built on one dude the pope. Infectibility means he can’t lose the faith. Praying with heretics means you lose the faith according to mortalium animos. Your Pope praying with heretics disproves the whole system. Not so with ours. Assuming you are Roman Catholic by that comment. If not, ignore.
@orthodox1717
@orthodox1717 4 ай бұрын
@@Orthoindianyou a correct.
@user-eu8ub9cm5t
@user-eu8ub9cm5t 4 ай бұрын
While Rome blesses Same Sex unions and where Fernandez is author of Porno book the same Fernandez exposed in occult video recently made by Kennedy Hall Phanar welcomes Gay Politicians and fully supports Rome It is time to get your priorities Right
@istina27852
@istina27852 4 ай бұрын
So PRESENCE of any priest from other church,catholic in our Ortodox church is like praying together?
@borremoonkey
@borremoonkey 4 ай бұрын
The Maronite's presence was among the bishops as in a place of honor, or rather an equal with the other bishops in rank. My understanding is that he could've been there among the laity instead. But also, Met. Neophytos admitted that it was wrong after being corrected by his elder. I am surprised that he somehow didn't know this would be wrong when he's clearly spoken about people he considers Holy and spoke against Ecumenism and common prayer. 🤔
@gregcoogan8270
@gregcoogan8270 4 ай бұрын
It should not be. In English, when we say we are doing something WITH someone, that means both people are participating in the same activity. "I am eating dinner WITH my brother", means both of you are eating dinner. "I am in the same room as Mr. Smith" means just that, you are literally in the same room. You may be participating in the same activity in that room, but you may not be. I don't know why this is confusing to people. Perhaps Greek or other langauges don't make such a sharp distinction and this could be due to a lost in translation?
@istina27852
@istina27852 4 ай бұрын
i see that in my church,a catholic priest on a side at singing place with other Ortodox priests as a guest on Christmas liturgy,I donz like that ecumenism gestures.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 4 ай бұрын
It is clear answer this Bishop got from the brethren he consulted. What is unclear in the response he got back from desert monks.?
@TrueOrthodoxSerbian
@TrueOrthodoxSerbian 4 ай бұрын
Be aware of New Calendarist apolgists "But if, on the basis of the Sacred Canons, it is impossible for us to accept the New Calendar in its entirety, then by the same token it is impossible for us Orthodox Christians to accept the New Calendar in the form of a compromise. This compromise has been discernible of late in the life of certain Orthodox Churches and consists in the fact that Pascha is celebrated according to the old Orthodox Paschalion, whereas all of the fixed Feasts are celebrated according to the New Calendar. But such a mixed calendar cannot possibly be accepted by the Orthodox, because it simultaneously gives rise to violations of other ecclesiastical ordinances, too, which are found in the Typikon and which we ought to observe religiously and steadfastly, since we should not deviate from obedience to our Mother, the Church. The New Calendarists are guilty of such disobedience... A particularly shocking transgression of the Typikon by the New Calendarists is to be observed in connection with the Feast of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul. The Holy Church honors these great Apostles to such an extent that she prepares for their Feast (29 June) with a fast lasting from eight to forty-two days. But with the introduction of the New Calendar, this Fast, contrary to the Typikon, is always abbreviated. And when Pascha is celebrated during the period from 20-25 April, then the Apostles’ Fast is completely abolished, because there is no time left over for it!* One could say that this violation of the Typikon does not constitute a serious sin, because it does not involve any violation of dogma. But the words of Christ, “If he neglect to hear the Church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican,”* do not refer to the violation of one or another dogmatic truth of our Faith. And yet, according to the testimony of these Divine words themselves, anyone of us who does not show obedience to the Church is to be cut off from her and enters into the ranks of great sinners, because in the case in question the severest punishment is imposed: excision from the Church. Furthermore, through their contempt for her Typikon, the New Calendarists commit the sin of disobedience to the Church publicly and brazenly. From the standpoint of the Orthodox Faith, such a contemptuous attitude towards the Typikon is not permissible for the children of the Holy Church, just as any violation of her dogmatic or canonical ordinances is impermissible. And this is quite understandable. Just as contempt for dogmatic or canonical ordinances leads to alienation from Orthodoxy, so contempt for the Typikon also leads to such alienation." etc Saint Seraphim Sobolev
@Calciu_83
@Calciu_83 3 ай бұрын
Kid literally quoted someone who reposed in the MP
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