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Metal Planer Restoration 72: Restoring and Installing the Original Oil Drip Cups!

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Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

2 жыл бұрын

Metal Planer Restoration 72: Restoring and Installing the Original Oil Drip Cups!
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@k2smd
@k2smd 2 жыл бұрын
It seems to me the reason they're all cracked in the same place is they fall off the machine. A small dimple in the base and/or a lanyard (jack chain or wire rope) to catch them if they drop off from vibration.
@mikeshort4291
@mikeshort4291 2 жыл бұрын
Over tightening of the screw. Over the years the jaws widened and took more turns to get it tight.
@troyboyd3100
@troyboyd3100 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with Shawn. I was thinking the same thing, the dimple idea is best and simplest. I would have thought such a great old machine would have had them, but the cracks suggest it didn't. Were there dimples originally Keith?
@ronaldhorne5106
@ronaldhorne5106 2 жыл бұрын
The dimple for the screw end is a good idea. I would be happiest with a safety chain, perhaps with a quick release to remove the cups for draining.
@paulcopeland9035
@paulcopeland9035 2 жыл бұрын
@@troyboyd3100 ..Those are the original cups! Where would Keith have seen"dimples"?
@rjkee5157
@rjkee5157 2 жыл бұрын
Another option would be a cushion on the floor for them to land on. I suspect that the vibration of the machine will cause those thumb screws to loosen over time even with a dimple.
@mdouglaswray
@mdouglaswray 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE how you think ahead! "I won't own this machine forever" - a true conservator's attitude.
@CrimFerret
@CrimFerret 2 жыл бұрын
That goes for all his restored machines. Properly maintained, those machines should be last and be useful for who knows how many generations. There's no home machine shop that will push them anywhere close to what they were designed to handle and they really aren't likely to end up in production shop.
@51ubetcha
@51ubetcha 2 жыл бұрын
I was watching Kurtis at Cutting Edge Engineering doing some cast iron repairs. He was using something he called a puddle gun. Similar to spray welding , but puts more material down at a lower temp than welding. Very interesting concept. Do you know if there is something similar here in the U.S?
@dcviper985
@dcviper985 2 жыл бұрын
That was such a cool video. I think I've seen Abom do something similar (not just the spray welding)
@jenniferwhitewolf3784
@jenniferwhitewolf3784 2 жыл бұрын
That was great! I am restoring a small vintage hand powered water pump.. I’ll be fixing the cast iron with Allstate 11 brazing alloy, but if I had iron needing a high strength repair I would be looking for someone with the ability to spray like Curtis. That was a great instructional video..
@yqwgjsg
@yqwgjsg 2 жыл бұрын
Kurtis is an amazing machinist. He keeps his talking to a minimum and on subject. Many of my favorite channels have become more talkers than doer’s.
@Orxenhorf
@Orxenhorf 2 жыл бұрын
@@yqwgjsg Don't forget Karen's videography skills. She gets some of the best footage of chips & curls I've ever seen.
@Coveangel
@Coveangel 2 жыл бұрын
@@Orxenhorf also Homeless! He works very hard keeping Curtis and Karen safe. 10 fingers, 10 toes
@plakor6133
@plakor6133 2 жыл бұрын
The machine looks happier, too!
@tek4
@tek4 2 жыл бұрын
Some nice Japaning would look fabulous on them cups.
@chieft3357
@chieft3357 2 жыл бұрын
It's great you were able to get the original oil cups installed. Looking forward to the video on the speed control you plan to do for the electric motor.
@stephenstrohacker7863
@stephenstrohacker7863 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome to see original equipment reuniting. Beautiful restoration, Keith.
@casimiriwaszkiewicz8962
@casimiriwaszkiewicz8962 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, many thanks for pulling this restoration together. It’s great to see your joy at the gentlemanly act of the previous owner finding the oil collectors for you. Keep well.
@SciPunk215
@SciPunk215 2 жыл бұрын
That's great that the oil cups are reunited with the machine.
@robevans8555
@robevans8555 2 жыл бұрын
Am excited to see this machine getting used on an actual job
@nkelly.9
@nkelly.9 2 жыл бұрын
More fantastic content Keith. Can't wait to see the chips flying from this beautiful machine that you have so expertly breathed new life in to. Thank you for sharing.
@michaelrandle4128
@michaelrandle4128 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid Keith, don’t think I’m on my own when I say, can’t wait to see this beautiful machine doing its thing.
@guubagaaba8391
@guubagaaba8391 2 жыл бұрын
damn that's a beautiful machine !!!! look's like it was built yesterday !!!!
@ElTelBaby
@ElTelBaby 2 жыл бұрын
@ 7:45 Wow U came dam close 2 getting caught in that Grinding Wheel
@tosselton291
@tosselton291 2 жыл бұрын
Thats a nice addition to finish it off! Looks like maybe some of those Windy Hill things for scraping might be in it's future.
@guitarwreck9004
@guitarwreck9004 2 жыл бұрын
Drill countersinks for the screws so that the cups do not fall down.
@samhendrix378
@samhendrix378 2 жыл бұрын
Great restore of a vintage machine Keith, Looks better than new with a self contained belt drive, Thanks for the videos.
@jerrypeal653
@jerrypeal653 2 жыл бұрын
Looking good !
@elioboezio7107
@elioboezio7107 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, your audio is not as good as it used to be with your old microphone: the variation in volume as you turn your head while speaking is very noticeable.
@belyear
@belyear 2 жыл бұрын
I love when you described the conversation with the previous owner. I can imagine exactly how it went and how he searched for the cups in his horde.
@samuraidriver4x4
@samuraidriver4x4 2 жыл бұрын
Nice that the previous owner still had the oil cups. The mic setup of this video and the last video isnt great, at points it's hard to understand you. Mic might be a bit to directional? I know you are still experimenting with the setup so no big deal
@jwaterous224
@jwaterous224 2 жыл бұрын
More fireworks from the site of the metal planer restoration!
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 2 жыл бұрын
So lucky the original pieces were found!
@jeremycable51
@jeremycable51 2 жыл бұрын
Prefect application for a vfd I like em on about all the older machines makes them so much more versatile
@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578
@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578 2 жыл бұрын
Like how things come together
@MyLilMule
@MyLilMule 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the first real job on this beauty.
@dwaynelambert2944
@dwaynelambert2944 2 жыл бұрын
Love watchng all your shows they are really inspiring to watch you restore these old machines, Thank You!!!
@StevenEverett7
@StevenEverett7 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Kieth: Ironically, I just finished watching your series on this machine yesterday. I didn't expect an update so soon! 😆 I'm continuing to watch your channel starting at the beginning which was about 9 years, I expect to enjoy a great deal of machine repairs and restores. As well, I will continue to watch all the new posts you upload. Thank you so much for creating this channel for our enjoyment!
@skasow17
@skasow17 2 жыл бұрын
Drilling the end of the crack is for the same reason airplane windows are rounded; square or narrow corners are places where stress rises (which is how cracks propagate) but a circular feature causes minimal stress. :)
@RafaelHe
@RafaelHe 2 жыл бұрын
The cracks may have developed by dropping the cups on the floor. These pieces are not subject to stress, so the hole was probably not necessary for the repair.
@StevenEverett7
@StevenEverett7 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I believe there were quite a few plane crashes before engineers figured this out.
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 2 жыл бұрын
@@RafaelHe Why take a chance? Extra insurance and good workmanship are Keith’s trademarks.
@glencrandall7051
@glencrandall7051 2 жыл бұрын
It's nice to have the original parts back on. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.
@criggie
@criggie 2 жыл бұрын
Will we get to "Metal Planer Restoration #100" ? Make your bets!
@707061756c69
@707061756c69 2 жыл бұрын
It has been amazing to see how a rusty machine has been brought to a live again in its old glory. Thank you Keith. About the VFD... If you could use a VFD with analog inputs (speed input), you could make contemporary controls to the planer. A potentiometer with hadwheel in suitable old box + some push buttons and indicator lights and hide the controller near the motor.
@FredMiller
@FredMiller 2 жыл бұрын
Cast Iron egg shells! I would bet vibration loosened the thumb screws and they at one time or another they hit the floor. Nice repairs Keith!
@aner_bda
@aner_bda 2 жыл бұрын
So nice to manage to get the original cups back on there.
@Jameson4327
@Jameson4327 2 жыл бұрын
Keith they do look good. Keeping this planner for the next person is a great way to keep all equipment up and running.
@johnwiley8417
@johnwiley8417 2 жыл бұрын
Spectacular restoration job. VFD is a neat idea. Looking forward to that video.
@garybeasley4885
@garybeasley4885 2 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to see a job on the machine!
@MorseB
@MorseB 2 жыл бұрын
That VFD will be a great addition to this machine. No reason to shy away from modern tech even on old machines. If they had VFD's in the late 1800's they would absolutely use them, so why shouldn't we?
@terminalpsychosis8022
@terminalpsychosis8022 2 жыл бұрын
Not only OEM oil cups, but the originals that came with THAT machine? SCORE! Ohhhh that's a beautiful thing. This is one of the most interesting, unusual machines in the shop. Anyone can have a shaper, there are hundreds of models. This one though... real blast from the past. But that's not to say it's not fully worthy of quality production. Very much lookin' forward to seeing it putting out parts.
@timmienorrie
@timmienorrie 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, your videos are some of the highlights of my week. Thank you.
@davidzindman
@davidzindman 2 жыл бұрын
You look quiet happy with the cups on the planer glad you got them
@JohnDoe-es5xh
@JohnDoe-es5xh 2 жыл бұрын
At first glance I thought, you got some coconut halves laying on the table. 😁
@camputee1
@camputee1 2 жыл бұрын
I think it was a couple or three years ago now that I commented here that this was my favourite of the projects you were doing. Kieth, you are an inspiration. Fabulous work, and now I am so looking forward to seeing this jem of a planer do some fine machining.
@chuckmayerchak3071
@chuckmayerchak3071 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very much looking forward to a VFD video. There are a few out there but many get too complicated. I hope you keep with a simple instalation and I'm sure it will be well explained in your no nonsense manor. I love watching your videos! Keep them coming!
@rexmyers991
@rexmyers991 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Keith.
@broggyr
@broggyr 2 жыл бұрын
I love that you were able to get the original oil cups.
@RB-yq7qv
@RB-yq7qv 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing the cups survived all those years and they do look good.
@bones357
@bones357 2 жыл бұрын
We'll I'll be, you managed to track down the original drip cups!! Unreal!!👊😄
@barryfields2964
@barryfields2964 2 жыл бұрын
I love the way that blasting cabinet open like that. I wish the one I worked with back when opened like that.
@llapmsp
@llapmsp 2 жыл бұрын
Nice repair Keith. Great to see the original parts used.
@catfishgray3696
@catfishgray3696 2 жыл бұрын
KEITH, TELL EVERYBODY HELLO, PET THE CATS AND DOGS, SEE YOU NEXT TIME...GREAT VIDEO...
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Great finishing touches.
@Jims-Workshop
@Jims-Workshop 2 жыл бұрын
Recast in Bronze and polished would be awesome, and not as brittle as the Cast iron.
@greasydot
@greasydot 2 жыл бұрын
That would look awesome. Look like the old Ben Franklin fireplaces with the big brass balls on the edge.
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 жыл бұрын
13:00 Loving your brazing rod - 3 pieces welded together :)))
@aldenfish6073
@aldenfish6073 2 жыл бұрын
VFD is the way to go. I have one on my drill press to slow it down for larger drills. Works great!
@clintmyrick4128
@clintmyrick4128 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your wisdom in keeping your mortality in mind (in speaking about the planer motor drive changes coming). Fantastic job overall.
@cemx86
@cemx86 2 жыл бұрын
At 9:39 - Keith talks about drilling a "stop hole". I use that often on cracks in plastic such as an aircraft canopy. Works great to help prevent further damage.
@RyanWeishalla
@RyanWeishalla 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing the project you have lined up for it.
@garylarue5994
@garylarue5994 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Keith! We have come to expect perfection from YOU....AND perfection is what we get!!... Great job! Those cracks in the cup's, could they be caused by the way they are mounted??? Also, it looks like they could come loose from vibration, and fall to the floor. Thant you for the video, and commentary! Best Wishes, AND GOD BLESS! Gary
@tomp538
@tomp538 2 жыл бұрын
Fixed the ol cups... thought there was going to be a Windy Hill Foundry video casting new cups.
@edwardwilson990
@edwardwilson990 2 жыл бұрын
I might be as excited as you to see the original oil cups reunited with the planer.
@whitecaps775
@whitecaps775 2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive machine, look forward to seeing you use it. Thank you
@petegraham1458
@petegraham1458 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing it go to work!
@billdoodson4232
@billdoodson4232 Жыл бұрын
I used to drill cracks a bit in my earlier engineering days 40 odd years ago. I was always told the rule of thumb was that the hole diameter should be 10% of the length of the crack. That was on mild steel, not sure if it holds true for cast iron.
@recycle343
@recycle343 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your thinking. I think we would both love a steam powered shop.
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 жыл бұрын
Well Keith, I can't say I'm a fan of adding a VFD to it but I understand your point. What I do hope you make are some proper feet for the 2 centre legs and remove those aluminium-looking contraptions it's currently on !
@victoryfirst2878
@victoryfirst2878 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, you got to be super lucky to get the original oil drip cups. I totally agree with you on brazing the cups for a final repair. Could you please give more detail as to the event you are talking about in Chicago ??? Thanks and have a great day too.
@connahjones8178
@connahjones8178 2 жыл бұрын
Looks great Keith!
@joopterwijn
@joopterwijn 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, you could design a old version case to hold the new VFD. And maybe a old style handle whom turns a potential meter….. probably your friend an channel sponsor American rotary could assist you… would be a nice co-op!
@CraigLYoung
@CraigLYoung 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing 👍
@elsdp-4560
@elsdp-4560 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.👍👀
@BasedBidoof
@BasedBidoof 2 жыл бұрын
I've never seen tig brazing. Didn't know you could be that sensitive with a tig. I guess that's another reason why I should buy a tig.
@ronwhittaker6317
@ronwhittaker6317 2 жыл бұрын
9:29 this method don't stop at cast metal, sheet and bodywork as well. tears and metal fatigue. mind you, it's not up to snuff for anything structural but cosmetic work it's just fine. a trick my dad showed me a long time ago.
@metrovick5417
@metrovick5417 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely to see this machine getting sympathetically restored. The VFD will be an ideal modern addition. Although, part of me wants to see stepper motors and a full CNC conversion just for the comedy value...
@jeolman1
@jeolman1 2 жыл бұрын
I would have just used JB weld. Since they aren't structural. but that's me. After painting, you would never know, and would last a another lifetime. Great job brazing them though as usual :)
@clydecessna737
@clydecessna737 2 жыл бұрын
I hope and believe Keith will live forever.
@kentuckytrapper780
@kentuckytrapper780 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Keith, keep'um coming..
@brandenpatterson2776
@brandenpatterson2776 2 жыл бұрын
Great video can’t wait for the variable speed make sure to get in depth with the wiring!
@mikecowan1471
@mikecowan1471 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the video on the speed control you plan to do for the electric motor.
@k4x4map46
@k4x4map46 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Consistent uploads!
@SgtCude59
@SgtCude59 2 жыл бұрын
Great video I would love to run that machine
@forbesmathews89
@forbesmathews89 2 жыл бұрын
WOW what a find. Its hard to believe that those did not get knocked off and smashed over the past 100 years.
@paulcopeland9035
@paulcopeland9035 2 жыл бұрын
More like 135 years!!
@tommybewick
@tommybewick 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more I always try to keep everything original. I don't restore old machines I restore old radios and I like to keep them original. I usually never refinish the wood but clean it up and touch it up.
@erichoff7926
@erichoff7926 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, what are the four little pin looking things sticking out from the ends of the ways? Sure glad you got the originals, nothing like the real McCoy!
@4speed3pedals
@4speed3pedals 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, Harbor Freight sells a cyclonic dust collector that comes with a mounting lid for a 5 gallon plastic bucket that is effective in keeping a vacuum clean while removing debris from the cabinet. Compared to most, it is inexpensive and comes with the screws, you supply the vacuum and the bucket. The dust and debris from the cabinet ends up in the bucket and not the vacuum.
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 2 жыл бұрын
Paul Thanks for this. I need one of those cyclonic collectors but didn’t want to buy the whole vacuum.
@erneststorch9844
@erneststorch9844 2 жыл бұрын
Your painting the machine black is a good idea. It won't shown the dirt as bad. I worked on a tool grinding room and my stupid boss wanted all the grinding machines in the department painted the same color. The problem was at first he was going to paint them brght yellow and a older former boss told him no way . So he decided on white that showed all the dirt and looked like hell !!
@lunkydog
@lunkydog 2 жыл бұрын
It's probably good that he took the cups off because that's the kind of thing that gets lost or damaged in moving and shipping.
@davidgibson5756
@davidgibson5756 2 жыл бұрын
Next steps, DRO and a CNC upgrade.
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 2 жыл бұрын
A rough steel box with a modern frequency converter hidden inside is best...
@miken3260
@miken3260 2 жыл бұрын
I have a friend that is an electrician and he told me that VFD's make motors run hatter and modern motors often have higher temperature insulation on their windings. He cautioned me not to use them on old motors, they may not handle the extra heat.
@MPenzlin
@MPenzlin 2 жыл бұрын
maybe you do not live for ever, but: please, make videos as long as I live. cheers Matthias
@kevinreardon2558
@kevinreardon2558 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see that machine. Do you mind a visitor showing up? I'm not much of a traveler these days, at least via airplane. But for that I'd make an exception.
@altonriggs2352
@altonriggs2352 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect job for JB Weld
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 2 жыл бұрын
Even old JB wouldn’t approve of that.
@martineastburn3679
@martineastburn3679 2 жыл бұрын
My surmise on the repeated cracks - look at your video where you attach. The first start to loosen was with one hand. If it were that way it might have fallen and cracked. Old cracks. Tig or flame bronze into them - maybe with a v notch down the crack and a hole at the end (to stop it) and the hole filled...
@johnmcanulty7341
@johnmcanulty7341 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps a two microphone set up clipped to either side of your vest will level the voice volume issues and, help with your natural tendency to look away while in narration mode? Once you have it perfected: Try some magnets to help ease set up on your apron? Just an idea.. Long time viewer. Good luck.
@RafaelHe
@RafaelHe 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the braising of the crack should have started below the rim to avoid the notches left on the cups.
@tilliesinabottle
@tilliesinabottle 2 жыл бұрын
being that these cups sit right at the end of the machine you just know they all get run into by everyone and everything in the shop.
@paulteirney3587
@paulteirney3587 2 жыл бұрын
Keith why do you not use the grinder with the side hand as I have seen it where it has turn over and cut into the person's hand or wrapped into your clothes . I have a scar left from this as well. Safety is most important thing when using machinery as you can lost limbs very quickly.
@katemoon7476
@katemoon7476 2 жыл бұрын
It makes me nervous seeing that as well. Having a proper handle is an essential safety feature. Too many guy's at work are missing fingers, some lose them at home.
@davidsellars646
@davidsellars646 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, hopefully this series will cause many other old machines to be rescued from oblivion. I hear people say that these old machines are obsolete. It may be true that there are newer machines that do the job better and faster. The old iron will still do the job they were intended to do. For some of us (most of us?), money will not allow the newest and shiniest. Your videos may allow viewers the tools and mindset to rehab old machinery allowing them to equip a modest shop at a modest cost. I would appreciate some idea of how much it costs to regrind beds. Thanks.
@karm65
@karm65 2 жыл бұрын
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