Purpose 0:10 Build/Accessories 0:30 Comfort 2:17 Bass 4:32 Midrange 6:02 Treble 7:26 Soundstage 8:21 Isolation 8:54 Genre Pairing 9:32 Amp Needs 10:39 Important Takeaways 11:36 HD 600 is SOLD (12/18/2017) Sennheiser has confirmed the pads are slightly different and they will only be selling this new type of pad from now on.
@TheWorldTeacher6 жыл бұрын
A perfect replacement for my 600's since the foam in the headband has imploded and the speaker grille cloth has disintegrated.
@monkaudio60774 жыл бұрын
Can you recommend an e.q correction curve for these headphones? Thanks
@vibes19524 жыл бұрын
Hi metal, have you or can you post your EQ settings for HD660S you use? Thx in adv
@HanYou22 жыл бұрын
I had my eyes on the 600 series for a long time, after i bought the 555 about 10 years ago. Now I could finally afford new bins and even though the 555 are still kicking and I like them a lot, there is a world of improvement between the two. The 660s totally squish my head but the pain is totally worth it :))
@metal5712 жыл бұрын
Eventually the metal headband will loosen up with time so it gets better
@brianliu5222 жыл бұрын
I am using iFi Zen DAC v1. balanced connection with HD660s. Very happy with the results. They are very detailed, smooth, natural and realistic sound with a touch of warmth. With 150 ohm impedance I never need to turn the volume above 11 o’clock. As it is not heavy, I can listen for a few hours without feeling fatigue. I mainly listen to classical music which I think HD660s is ideal for this genre. No matter it’s Chopin’s nocturne (solo piano) or Schubert’s string quartets or symphonies by Beethoven and Mahler involving 100 + pieces of instruments of varied tones and textures, the HD660s reproduces them with ease and accuracy. The HD660S makes me feel I am sitting right in the best seat of the concert hall.
@haysamd8643 Жыл бұрын
Agreed 660S is a legend
@JohnSmith-oe4bw6 жыл бұрын
A little late commenting here, but I totally agree with your assessment and comparison to the rest in the line. With the EQ flat, I thought that the extra dip in the upper mids of the 660s were detrimental to detail (like attack of guitar strings and crunch in metal), but when EQ'd to taste (slight smiley: +3db shelf at 90hz and 4.8k/1.00q, and -3db at 750hz/0.61q), the upper mids of the 600/650 get shouty and stand out. When flat, I like the neutrality of the 600/650 better, but when EQ'd to taste, I like the 660s the best. It's just more musical, faster, and punchier than the others, and the frequency response remains smooth throughout with EQ. The slightly more recessed upper mids actually favor the 660s in regards to a broader appeal to different music genres, and how they respond to EQ. I think if they were $300, they are a no-brainer. - [EDIT: but I do flip flop between preferring either 660s or 600/650. Not only are the recessed upper mids of the 660s it's more interesting difference that can be seen as positive, it's also it's most detrimental trait]
@Vishmaw6 жыл бұрын
Great review, I am planning on making a review on this as well. Glad to hear you like them so much, there is a lot of hate for them which is sad because they really impressed me. I didnt like the HD 650 due to it sounding too laid back and coming across as slow, in contrast the 660 s is the fastest dynamic headphone I have heard thus far. This is to date the best headphone I have heard for rock/metal and its sub-genres. Iron Maidens Strange World and Phantom of the Opera are absolutely incredible on the 660 s. So far I have tried it with the Magni 3 Modi multibit combo as well with the Vivid version of the Burson Play. I can only speak for having tried on two different amps but it seems to have the 600 series trait of being greatly influenced by the amp. Compared to the rest of my headphones its sound seemed to change more. Will be interesting to hear how it scales once more people try it on other higher end gear. I have a theory that a lot of the negativity comes from people plugging into the same amps intended to make the 650 sound brighter/ more detailed which would probably not match well with the HD 660s as its already that out of the box. I would guess that things that sound good with the 600 would sound good with the 660s though as it seems closer to the 600 than the 650 to me.
@miguelrmusic3 жыл бұрын
Good on Stranger in a Strange land? :)
@brianliu5222 жыл бұрын
For many people, the Sentimental appeal and emotional attachment to their older 600 series can be hard to change and difficult to see a successor has come.
@Tripokaridos224 жыл бұрын
Senhheiser HD 660S for me the best headphone , value for money is amazing also.
@Blueprint-Sensei6 жыл бұрын
You have the exact same lamp as me dude. That's awesome. Lol also thanks for being the best headphone reviewer on KZfaq. Highly under rated!
@dwormon4591 Жыл бұрын
Love the no beat around or vague review. Got what I wanted to hear. Thaxs
@nohype-fi64686 жыл бұрын
That's one of your best reviews yet
@mikecoshan37524 жыл бұрын
Best to listen to the 660s yourself & then make your own decision. I’m currently listening to the 660s & the 600 at home so I’m making my mind up this morning as to which pair to purchase
@arteysole34094 жыл бұрын
and so... which one did you pick?
@h.hristov4 жыл бұрын
yeah, which one did you pick?
@arteysole34094 жыл бұрын
I ended up buying the 660s, and I am very happy with them
@imabeliever853 жыл бұрын
This was a great review. After 18 months, I would say that the 660S is a good headphone, but for me, it has not superseded the 600, for me the 600 is still Sennheiser’s finest headphone other than the Orpheus and He-1.
@o.f.ftrack34446 жыл бұрын
I have both the 660s and the 599...I got the 599 first because i wanted to upgrade my old 558's. I've never been willing to pay more than a certain amount for headphones even if could afford them so the 599's were gonna be it for me(almost bought the k712). I happened to find a pair of brand new 660s on ebay for $380 about 3 months later and didn't want to pass up the deal so i bought them. Initially i was disappointed because they seemed to sound no better than the 599. But after about 2 weeks I did an A/B comparison with both headphones on the same amp and it was clear that the 660s was "better". The sound seperation was the first thing i noticed, and the imaging was the next. Every song i played seemed to have more room for the individual instruments as well as a specific location for each. The 599's weren't bad but going back and forth, it became more obvious which headphone was better. Listening to one on Tuesday and then the other on Friday won't tell you much. So now, the 599's are what i use when I'm out and about while the 660s is what i use when im in my office for the majority of the day.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's a lot of upgrading, you have to use the new headphone for a week then switch back and you will hear the difference in transparency
@propender73116 жыл бұрын
I would have bought them without hesitation if they improved marginally the bass/subbass extension, the only major thing that can annoy me on my beloved HD600
@anonymosphilos89126 жыл бұрын
You might want to look into the hd58x Jubilee :)
@antoinep97336 жыл бұрын
Don't sell the HD-600 metal571, it's the air-cooled Porsche 911 of the range! As the paint starts to fade on the newer "improved" models, you'll pine for that classic you once owned ;^)
@tgpips11283 жыл бұрын
I bought the HD 660s for a bargain £333 on Amazon. (Offer still on as of now!) I was also deciding between the HD 660s and the DT 1990 Pro's, but for £333 the HD 660s was a no brainer. I have a set of X2HR for great sound stage and more of a fun headphone. The HD 660s is more of a gaming headphone for me with the great imaging. Both are powered off a Fiio K5 Pro AMP/DAC. (Great headphones/AMP/DAC combo!!)
@supanjibobu372 Жыл бұрын
I was leaning heavily towards the dt1990 since im a beyer bias but i got the 660s brand new for the same price as the recent 6xx price ($279) its really hard to pass on this offer. Oh well the 1990 can wait a lil longer
@tgpips1128 Жыл бұрын
The 660S are still my daily drivers, though I've enhanced them with some leather cups, which has enhanced the bass slightly, plus a nice short cable. Also have some DT770 Pro 80ohms, but I prefer 660s, unless the environment becomes too noisy.
@kentbergstrom3020 Жыл бұрын
I use a 4db low-shelf at 80hz on mine, works very well.
@kentxx124 жыл бұрын
This is the new headphone reviewer king ;)
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
Good joke. See my final video if you haven't already lol
@vm60386 жыл бұрын
Great review as always! I have an HD6XX now. I compared it directly to an HD600 and preferred the 6XX, although I should note that the pads on the 6XX were slightly more worn, whereas the 600 pads were close to like new... I didn't like the brightness and lack of bass of the HD600 with new pads. lol The 6XX had weightier low end and more body and evenness to the mids... I didn't try swapping the pads unfortunately. I did read that the HD6XX is slightly brighter than the HD650 though. lol Again, may be down to difference in pads... I wouldn't swap my 6XX for a 660S, but I do also have HE-400i, K553, Elear and CA Andromeda IEMs as well, so no need for more mid-fi headphones or any headphones for that matter. lol I think I might acquire a pair of Beyer DT250 250Ohm though as I really loved the sound of that headphone. You should get your hands on that one some time. It has this really natural timbre to it, especially in the mids and also lots of fine micro detail/nuance and really fast transients for a dynamic driver. I was really surprised how fast the DT250/250 is, especially considering how old this dynamic driver design is.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+V M yeah a lot of people have been telling me to try the 150 and 250. Will probably get my hands on one eventually.
@vm60386 жыл бұрын
DT250/250 is actually significantly better sounding than the DT150 to my ears - much clearer. I will be curious if you'll share this opinion as well if you try both.
@vm60386 жыл бұрын
You should also try CA Andromeda if you get a chance. Amazing IEMs. They challenge the best headphones I've heard for SQ easily, such as HD800 and Elear. I haven't heard ultra high end stuff like LCD-4 or Utopia yet though. I am sure there are other great high end IEMs out there as well... But I haven;t seen any great measurements for other high end IEMs apart from Campfire Audio stuff... I would never buy any audio gear without seen good looking measurements for the equipment first. I got the Andromeda specifically because it measures great and is getting rave reviews at SBAF. I really trust opinions on that site, especially those of experiences members such as ultrabike, marvey and hands... Those guys' descriptions are not only convincing, but are backed up with measurements. Which is the opposite of most reviews on Head-fi lol I like reddit as well, but not many measurements there unfortunately. Tyll is great of course, but I wish he reviewed more gear. He doesn't review that much.
@NotOrdinaryInGames4 жыл бұрын
Senn needs to make a version of this with more bass extension. It will of course be a contender for Elex, but I don't think that would be a problem for Sennheiser.
@ducksbewildin1443 Жыл бұрын
your wish has been answered, it seems
@NotOrdinaryInGames Жыл бұрын
@@ducksbewildin1443 Nah, that model has a treble peak. No 560S for me until they make a revision.
@c4monkey6 жыл бұрын
ive been doing some a to b comparrisson with the 600 that i recently got and (2nd attempt) 660. I have stax l700 and srm 353x as my daily driver but im looking for something cheaper and portable. when i first put on the 600 i definitely had a few wow moments. for less than $300 these are easily better than $1,000 headphones. to an extent i may even like them over the 800s. i tried on the 660 and didnt really have any wow moments. yes the bass is just better but maybe its in the mids but i dont hear the same clarity i do with the 600. acoustic guitar, vocals they dont come through as clear for me. normally i like some good bass and soundstage but the bass is good enough on the 600 and the soundstage although not wide, surrounds my head very closely as if im sitting in the middle of the band and theyre spread around me in close vicinity. Short story long, not considering the cost, i think i prefer the 600 more
@Niran333 Жыл бұрын
3 years later… Still Glad I followed this choice vs the others that r doing this KZfaq headphone review thing for a living. 👍
@isrhazan78966 жыл бұрын
choosing headphone iss tooooo damnnnn hard all i i want is to listen to the beatles/pinkfloyd/tame impala/deep purple while i relax. and listen to electronic when i game. why it's so hard to choose? and don't get me started on the amp/dac choices great review, you seem to be overall pretty honest person
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+israel hazan that's what I tell people who want to get into this hobby: don't do it if you just want to listen to the music. Because at some point you have to stop wondering if headphone X will improve your experience on song Y by 5 percent, and then justifying $3000 on a DAC in order to do that. Then you are only listening to the equipment and have stopped enjoying the music altogether
@Fiend4043 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 wow... I totally agree with this from experience
@ernestotravieso8826 жыл бұрын
I could run them really well of my lgv30 amp by the way, obviously not the highest quality sound but the volume was decent. Mind you the 650's worked pretty well with that phone as well :)
@arteysole34094 жыл бұрын
I have a LG V30 as well, what were your impressions between the two regarding sound quality? Did you find the 660s easier to drive (with the LG)?
@Lmao-ke9lq4 жыл бұрын
Ernesto Travieso sound quality changes with amp? I throught only volume does
@bigyeetus28664 жыл бұрын
Glad you hit hard on the importance of pads on this series, I just changed my 650 pads after 9 months thinking me having bent the headband to relieve clamp would decrease wear. NOPE, had my mind blown from how dark they sounded and how good they sound now with new pads. It's kinda ridiculous actually.
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
I firmly belive that most people who think the 650 is way too "veiled" are listening to it with worn pads
@bigyeetus28664 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Yea with new pads the treble is nicely represented imo
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
@@bigyeetus2866 exactly why I use the 650 as my reference headphone. No matter the cost of what I'm reviewing if it doesn't come near that frequency response it's probably going to bug me
@bighands695 жыл бұрын
I have a set and they are truly amazing. I would say 99.99% of the population would need no greater headphones than the 660s.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
That's usually why I tell people to buy one of the Sennheiser line, a midrange amplifier, and just quit the hobby. Gains from there are noticeable but relatively slight compared to the gains from consumer-fi to real hifi like the Sennheisers are
@MihaiLatYoutube5 жыл бұрын
People havw different ears. To me HD600/650 have unnatural piercing highs, but they are musical headphones, music sticks to you easily. Narrow soundstage is also unnatural, but intimate, a lot of people like it. To me the best headphone with the least flaws must be AKG 712. It's so clean and warm, a step above these Senns.
@joedominic98484 жыл бұрын
Guys... I was planning on getting a HD 58X for quite some time, but kept putting it off cos I wondered if it'd be best to just get the HD 660S instead [obviously, the price difference made me hesitate to buy one... until now]. I can get a barely used one for under $280, but I also own the K712pro... would adding the 660S complement those or am I just wasting money here?
@cybervaldez6 жыл бұрын
4:10 Zeos voice cameo
@dicktrickle53524 жыл бұрын
The 660s are great, love them
@bertfripont15456 жыл бұрын
Nice clear review ! One thing I do not understand: Why hasn't Sennheiser improved the soundstage? They are capable to do that, is it not? ..... So you're right, they are overpriced.
@tormaid425 жыл бұрын
Bert Fripont Soundstage is a meme. If you want real soundstage get a cheap pair of speakers.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Soundstage is not a meme, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Comparing the HD 800 to the 660S is clear as day of a difference. But with this enclosure and the pads that are both common to this Sennheiser line it seems they've boxed themselves into a similar sound and soundstage ability
@nak66083 жыл бұрын
Really quality review. You're great on the mic
@yannick9304 жыл бұрын
After getting them I was first disappointed. Too bright, clamp and pads different. But after a weak everything soften, even the trebble but very weak bass and no excitement at all. As they say "too analytic". I was ready to send them back when I tryed them balanced. Oh my God everything melted and finally they were alive. The emotion, the beat, the heart ! Something similar happend with my 598 and my 6xx. Sennheiser headphones should be run only balanced if you use a solid state amp. The difference is monumental !
@yannick9304 жыл бұрын
Update: using them with my Lg G7 thinq is a bliss with Tidal on Usb Audio Player Pro. Bit perfect is a must. My god it's too good !
@yellahbe Жыл бұрын
Got these today at Sennheiser’s outlet store for €199, minus my 10% discount code. Paid €180. I feel like a thief. The only problem is that I don’t have an amp (yet) 😀
@grubaskarpeta5 жыл бұрын
If I may add, as an owner of 660, one thing needs to be mentioned - they absolutely require good and powerfull amp/dac. I've had them for a year, tried listening them with no amp, with dragonfly, with Aune s6 and anything in-between (mojo and so on). And they sounded like shit. Total disappointment. Only when I went to listen to lcd 2c I considered as a replacement and luckily I took 660 for comparison, and the shop had the LCDs paired with moon amp dac and obviously I tried 660 with the same amp. And it was such a huge change. Night and day. As a result I skipped LCDs and bought the amp. So my owner's take is - if you can't afford something like burson conductor or similar (or moon 230 had that I got and totally recommend) I would look for other headphones as you can get better result with something much cheeper.
@ottoinct5 жыл бұрын
Yes, let's all splurge on a $1500 amp for our $300ish headphones ;o) BLINQ via Amazon is, as of 8/2019, selling 660s in like new condition used for under $300.
@dennisvdmeer67804 жыл бұрын
I bought the HD 660s last week, I absolutely love them🎶🎶🎶
@slyfox7203 жыл бұрын
what headphone amp/dac/and source do you use with them. I just bought mine about 2 weeks ago an right now I am just burning them in...through a emotive power amp and Marantz CD player.
@dennisvdmeer67802 жыл бұрын
I use the iFi Audio Micro iDSD Signature great combo.
@Jarnesque6 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh! . . . just realised my main pastime is actually watching reviews of the products which are themselves just supposed to be for doing what is supposed to be the main pastime!
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+Jarnesque I warn people about this all the time. At a certain point you have to stop listening to the gear and start listening to the music again
@LindsanX6 жыл бұрын
660S or DT 1990?
@keeferdog56176 жыл бұрын
LindsanX The Beyerdynamic DT1990 Pros are the best mid fi priced ($599) headphones on the market!
@user-9sidfgsxgj6 жыл бұрын
1990
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
Depends. 1990 has more bass extension and a better soundstage, but is brighter than these and is grainier overall.
@keeferdog56176 жыл бұрын
The 1990 is a truly balanced headphone from top to bottom with a great low end. The bass is simply stunning with the “balanced” pads. Need less punch? Pop-on the “analytical” pads for studio/mixing applications. Mids are neither forward or recessed. The top end is clear and resolving. Crash and ride cymbals are easily distinguishable. In no way is the top-end “grainy”. Simply, the best headphones on the market for 6 bills. Terrific build quality and tough to find used because people love them. The occasional used pair will show up and “sell” for $450-$500 on Fleabay. You’ll read reviews of Beyerdynamic fans saying, they outperform the T1 at 1/2 the cost. The 1990 will make new believers out of non Beyer fans. People that think Beyers are “bright” cans, need to hear this offering. The 1990 changed my thinking of Beyerdynamic headphones and what’s possible in a mid-fi priced pair of cans!
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
Sounds like an advertisement. The T1 1st gen I had clearly had higher resolution in my experience.
@codynova6 жыл бұрын
Hmm a fairly glowing review from you there. I've been looking for a second set of headphones to pair with my AKG K712...
@TheSolidlad5 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@aja85906 жыл бұрын
Bro, will you be getting the Massdrop HD58x’s when they’re available? Can you please hassle Massdrop to send you a preproduction pair?
@TheMarkRich6 жыл бұрын
I bought mine in Berlin in early December at the Sennheiser store. I knew nothing about the 600 series and therefore went in blind. I tried a variety of different songs and genres on the 599, 650 and 660s. This was on their set up and amp and with my own lossless and 24bit music via the Fiio x5 3rd gen. The 660s was very drivable from the Fiio without an amp. However the headphones were for home use and the amp and that was the place for them. I found the 660s beautiful and bright. The 650 was darker. I appreciate I'm not the expert but the bright sound for the 660s was so welcoming I bought there and then for €450.
@ktxtrain6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the view. how was about hd599? is it for the worth of 150$ ~ 200$ ?
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+ktxtrain reviewed it already
@ktxtrain6 жыл бұрын
oh metal571 hi. i already watched your 599 review. its really helpful. i wanna know mark's view. anyway, can u give me some advice? i hesitate to buy hd 599 cuz i got hd 569. i like my 569 but i need a open back headphone... i listened hd599 imo, 599 is more clearer, a little darker but i feel 599 got level-up sound than 569... do i buy hd599? or got hd 58x or 6xx? its hard to decide... how do you think?
@nvandermark35176 жыл бұрын
Hd 600 and 650 are still legendary. This one doesn't make the cut for legendary status.
@vampula12 Жыл бұрын
Oh man I was hoping you would come back in the future. Its been 5 years...
@metal571 Жыл бұрын
I'm still around but there are no plans at all to return
@loen64785 жыл бұрын
You dont mention anything about imaging, in that aspect they are huge improvement over 600s imo. Also about being easy to drive or sensitivity, i think the specs are just correct but you dont notice it as much in perceived loudness because it leaks substantially more than 600s.
@alexchng Жыл бұрын
Hey metal. Hope you're doing well ever since you've retired from reviewing audiophile gear. Miss your reviews man. Take care!
@metal571 Жыл бұрын
Very much so. I refocused my energy on my full time job as a senior C++ software engineer and everything is better now. I even listen to music for enjoyment again and not just continuous gear analyzation. Imagine that
@6643bear2 ай бұрын
Hi , I fitted thicker pads in my 660s sounds just a. It more basey . Regards mark
@junchengzhan87976 жыл бұрын
Will get a pair when they drop to ~350...
@dnd63796 жыл бұрын
Might wait for a bit... alot of bit... hah
@KalleHullu5 жыл бұрын
Already 399€ in Finland :)
@adeelzero14456 жыл бұрын
Great review! It seems like I won't be upgrading to 660S since I adore the sound signature of my 6XX. Btw, I just got my HD800 last week and my overall impressions are pretty good. They sounded fairly bright on my magni modi combo but after plugging them into my Darkvoice tube amp, The treble felt slightly relaxed. I also tried your EQ settings and surprisingly, they sounded very dark to my ears so I slightly adjusted the treble(-5db) and bass(+3db) which seriously made them very neutral to my ears. Now I have the perfect settings for my HD800. No need to risk doing the SDR mod now. And finally, their overall detail and soundstage is retarded lol.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+AdeelZero they're a whole different ballgame compared to the 6X0 series that's for sure. Great, finding the EQ you like is essential. My settings are way too specific to work for everyone, especially when different amps are involved. Enjoy
@tichyzishh33796 жыл бұрын
metal571 Where do I find your settings for the HD800? Although I have the HD800s 🤔
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+Tichyz Tech should be on my latest HD 800 video
@hardhead56746 жыл бұрын
I found your settings for DT1990 and K712 useful as well. Its a good starting point for tweaking for my set-up. Its nice that you post real practical stuff like that. It's appreciated.
@Enigma1990ad3 жыл бұрын
I've got the M50X which is very bass forward. I bought these with the expectation of hearing more details and much less bass to contrast the M50X.
@OccasionalHaHa3 жыл бұрын
....so how did thay go? What is your conclusion
@FernandoCastillo-og7ze2 жыл бұрын
Did you notice the 4 Khz peak on your M50X?
@hankolasmith44876 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to see upgraded construction materials without altering enclosure size/shape. I love my 650's, but the build quality is meh for the price.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+Hankola Smith very much agreed, I've always been critical of the build quality of these in past videos
@hankolasmith44876 жыл бұрын
metal571 Have you listened to the a550z or a990z? Not much info on them.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
Not yet. But supposedly the A990Z is just a slightly warmer tilted A900X
@hankolasmith44876 жыл бұрын
metal571 Probably for the best. The moment someone gives them a good review they'll be out of stock for a month.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+Hankola Smith the Zeos effect
@tareqhaider63276 жыл бұрын
How is the vocals and mids on this compared to DT 1990 Pro?
@hardhead56746 жыл бұрын
I would like to get some head-to-head information on this as well. I like the DT1990 (A pads) very much and the K712 as well, but the HD600 is always close at hand. I wonder if the higher level of treble in the HD660S that I see in some graphs would make it more like DT1990A. How is the DT1990A bass extension and clarity relative to the HD660S?
@brf10096 жыл бұрын
You made me wanting to buy this headphones.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+brf 100 just wait for that price to come down
@brf10096 жыл бұрын
I will because I don't have the money right now lol
@brf10096 жыл бұрын
Although I'm keep discovering hd600s when I use different sound systems.
@RC-qc2nz5 жыл бұрын
Interesting how different you guys review. For tyll it was a disappointment. For you and Josh for example it's a better hd 600. Found your channel and I will support you 🤘🏻
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Yeah by the time he reviewed the 660, Tyll's hearing was going out to a good degree, he admitted later, so I don't really blame him much for that now
@RC-qc2nz5 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 oh I didn't know that. Where did he say that?
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
@@RC-qc2nz I think in his retirement video on yt
@koutcheroukheinrich99356 жыл бұрын
Hi... Maybe my ears are simply not good enough to hear all the details... Maybe it's a problem of volume matching... Maybe the DAC/AMP combo I'm using is not really Hi-Fi (JDS labs the element)... Who knows.... BUT: I could not hear much difference between those and the HD 598 I have for two years. Sometimes I had the sense (and again, this could be volume matching) that the HD 598 are clearer. I can't say that the 660 S is my best purchase... And I bought them for ~650 USD, because this is the price of those headphones here in Israel...
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
It's more about the ability to retrieve smaller details from music. The 598 may sound more revealing by being brighter and less warm than the 660S but the 660S is cleaner. You should try using the 660S for a week then switch back and then decide if you want to keep it. That's usually the best way to go about it
@nuuuko76 жыл бұрын
How much smaller is the soundstage on the 660s compared to the HD 598? I was looking to pick up some new cans for gaming/music primarily, but I'm not sure if 660s has a good enough soundstage for gaming.
@iliketoreadiliketothink17636 жыл бұрын
Great review. You liked this headphone much more than Tyll did. It is what it is, We all like different things. I enjoy hearing the different opinions. We have a hi-fi store within 45 minutes from where I live, and they carry these headphones, so I will check them out. But I really have my eyes on the LCD-2 classic for just a hundred bucks more
@FroL_Onn3 жыл бұрын
Hmm... all the reviews for 660 are so nice. I wonder, why did I preferred 600 when was choosing between them in shop?! I’ve been comparing them like for hour or two!
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter what the reviewers say, always go with what your ears enjoy
@FroL_Onn3 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 I guess now, as I’ve got some nice gear, it is a good time to refill my music library wi nicely mastered albums. This will give me 9000% listening experience upgrade. Comparing to torturing myself with thoughts that God, those other headphones were 2.3% better in treble and 1.2% clearer in the mid, I should have chosen them instead! Thanks)
@rauldon273 Жыл бұрын
@@metal571 do u still own your HD650? Still use it daily or from time to time? 🙂
@metal571 Жыл бұрын
@@rauldon273 I do but I only use it occasionally. Most of the time it's either my trusty equalized Audeze LCD-2F or Dunu SA6
@evil_twit3 жыл бұрын
That subliminal, smirkey smile you got going on man ... makes ME smile EVERY time. :) It's almost like: "Yea, I laugh at most of these headphones, but in a good way, and I'll describe them for you here today. I smile like this because I have a custom Stax tuned to my ear shape, with perfect eq designed by a doctor of audio measurement hearing test master extraordinaire, with basement sized horn subwoofer system set up in my perfectly tuned asymmetric audio room you can't see, with Focal Grande Utopia EM EVO as a reference setup backed by a ...." well, you get the picture.
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
Funny since I really don't. Most of the time I'm using a 770, Porta Pro, or WF1000XM3 now that I'm retired from doing these dumb reviews, and my home theater is a really modest ELAC/Micca/Pioneer/BIC/Denon/Vizio combo
@evil_twit3 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 well thanks for all the dumb reviews, they were always honest and thus pretty nice for that clear picture compared to many other "reviewers". And no dumb unboxing either. I'm mostly rocking a MMX 300 - 600 ohm with a bit of eq APO -4dB@8KHz. Perfect at work. At home I got a 1977 catalog page setup vintage Technics. Gotta love a reel to reel. It also plays metal :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fadjpJiX1s-topc.html
@OverMan6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you got these, I was wondering how they sound. I was hoping that since these might be using the hd700 driver they would have a wider soundstage and better imaging, but alas, they do not :( it's ok plenty of others to get.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+OverMan yeah it appears that putting this driver in the enclosure took on most of the classic 6x0 sound signature, both the good and not so good parts
@loonation21854 жыл бұрын
Im confused coz I saw tyll reviews on these and he didnt liked it....maybe because of the pads issue you mentioned?
@georget10i5 жыл бұрын
I've been reading about these for couple of days now that I've read quite a few times of owners mentioning that compared to 600 and even 650, the treble on 660S rolls off sharply after 12k, whereas the other two keep going all the way up to 15-16k. And that it's grainy on 660S. Metal, have you noticed anything like that? What are your thoughts on it?
@Patafisique6 жыл бұрын
That was a nice second opinion to the somewhat depressing Tyll's one. Do you know if it's true that 650s are being discontinued? Keep up the good work!
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+Satchel Blavatsky not sure about 650s being discontinued yet
@billyc31616 жыл бұрын
I read that they will be discontinued. Sennheiser will have the partnership with Massdrop for the 6xx. But as for Sennheiser making the HD 650. Yeah, they're discontinuing it.
@mikecoshan37524 жыл бұрын
If the Sennheisr HD660 was the same price as the hd600 which one would you buy? I listen mostly to female vocal, Dido, Katie Melua, Celine Dion, Kate bush, Christina Perri. Though listen to queen, Eagles & evanescence as well.
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
Neither of them. 650
@bratosin14 жыл бұрын
K712pro vs hd660s (i have both ) K712pro - 20% wider Better highs 30% Lighter clamp force ( 30% lighter) The need wayyyy more power , to sound loud the same like hd660s you need at least 30% more power Very nice orange color and design More details Better price they cost almost half of the hd660s ( 380euro vs 220 euro today price 10/2019) Hd660s Better subbass and bass like 10% better Better fit , better shape of the ear cups, they stay fixed Better cables ( higher quality ) Very lightweight and breathable
@IamY00t4 жыл бұрын
Seem you prefer the K712 Pros? Thinking about a new pair of K712 or slightly used 660s for 50\50 gaming & music for my desktop computer.
@steven26405 жыл бұрын
Hey Metal could you post your EQ settings in the description if you still have them? Thanks for the videos!
@glumfish68626 жыл бұрын
For a first good headphone for listening to vinly and digital which do you recommend (600,650,660S)?
I upgraded to these from my HD 598, treble sound just like my HD 598, mids slightly better, and a whole lot of bass. I would call them HD 598 with bass
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
There is more detail as well, but that is harder to pick out at first. Try these for a week and then try the 598 again. Of course, I'm pretty late replying so...
@pandoraefretum6 жыл бұрын
I don't find too much treble at all... maybe my source is ultra smooth. These are great non-fatiguing and neutral headphones. I got mine from Amazon UK for a little too much...but hey... I wanted them
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+Roland Herrera everything is relative. These have way less treble than the DT880 for example so it might not bother you at all
@piranias5 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 relativety is only in subjectivity. hd600/650 is simply dark headphones and has not be considered as "reference". dt880 is of higher class headphones, considering details, imaging, uncoloration.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
The terms "bright" and "dark" by definition are relative terms. Without a specific FR target in mind, they are pointless. When the endgame is musical enjoyment, FR preference is just that, preference - and Olive's research shows that the population at large does not prefer the diffuse field target.
@vinhcomputer6 жыл бұрын
Love to hear your thoughts in details on tube amp pairing with dynamic heaphones.
@ashwrightyy4 жыл бұрын
It's funny your review of the HD599 was what made me decide on them around a year ago. For the price they've been fantastic. Curious to know if you would recommend the 660s for gaming, I'm more concerned with imaging rather than super expansive sound stage. Have also been considering the 1990's, any recommendation either way?
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
I'd get the LCD-1 for that. Not a large stage, but excellent imaging
@ashwrightyy4 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Thanks, I actually ordered the 660s yesterday as I'd found an excellent price. Will keep an eye out for the LCD-1's in the future.
@neil96584 жыл бұрын
@@ashwrightyy How do you like the 660's overall?
@PhoggHawk2 жыл бұрын
I'm actually watching this video on 660s through my tablet, with no additional amp. Volume is roughly at 75%. You can, in fact, make this too loud without additional amplification. Not sure what kind of power a phone had 4 years ago, though. I'm using a Galaxy Tab s7+. I have the Drop premium fennestrated sheepskin pads on them. I can't tell the difference in sound, but they are maximum comfort with these. The mids are still pristine! I paid $255 for them on ebay.
@metal5712 жыл бұрын
Yeah I continue to feel these are underappreciated and are still very good compared to the classic 650 while being a little less upper mid forward, which I like, and a few dB more efficient. The only real issue was their downright stupid $500 MSRP. Not sure what Senn wants now, but anything significantly beyond $300 would be a waste. Used is good
@trellusg6 жыл бұрын
Sennheiser actually says the pads are slightly different - this is per an official Sennheiser post on Head-Fi in response to a question. The pads are interchangeable but they are not identical to the ones that come with the HD 650 and HD 600.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+trellusg well, I can only say what my rep tells me. Will correct this in a pinned comment later as soon as it is widely confirmed
@trellusg6 жыл бұрын
See above comment with link to the actual post on Head-Fi from Sennheiser official account.
@dicktrickle53524 жыл бұрын
Go to Zs review, runs the 660s on different dacs and amps......that was a great review of 660s, never found a cheaper headphone that sounded better......
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
I mean the 650 aka 6XX is less than half the msrp
@charlysti62994 жыл бұрын
metal571 is I have the 6xx would the 660 be a good upgrade.?
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
Side grade, wouldn't buy it unless you need something more efficient, and even then, LCD1 would fulfill that better
@charlysti62994 жыл бұрын
metal571 I saw your review on it earlier and was wondering if that one would be a better addition to my set, thank you metal
@njdoughboy4 жыл бұрын
Damn sir, you do a good review. Thank you.
@konna2004 жыл бұрын
660S all the way better in gaming/music imo than others 6xx series i have tried like 600 and 650! Not sure for 58X....
@onaretrotip6 жыл бұрын
Great review as always!
@Jakepf Жыл бұрын
Best soundstage or sound imaging headphones? I want to listen to music but also ASMR haha
@MarianIanchis6 жыл бұрын
What would be a good option for EDM and Rock music at around $600? I went with iSine20, but I would still prefer over the ear style, unless iSine20 have a better sound.
@borispantovic7062 ай бұрын
Used like new 199 eur? What do you think?
@fitnessatfifty6 жыл бұрын
What was the tube amp you used with Attticus and HD600? Did I space out and miss it or did you just not mention it?
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+Keith Wilkins talked about it in Eikon and Atticus review. Feliks Audio Euforia
@bobcobb1588 ай бұрын
curious if you've had a chance to test out the 660S2? I'm looking to upgrade from my hd599's as I've had them for a few years now, heard mixed reviews on the 660 S2's.
@metal5718 ай бұрын
I have not unfortunately, but I hear the 660S2 is not really worth the upcharge over the 650/600 which are always a safe bet as an upgrade
@bobcobb1588 ай бұрын
@@metal571 Gotcha. Hey thanks for the reply man, all the best.
@charlysti62994 жыл бұрын
I would love a comparison between the m1060c open mod. And the hd660
@paulduplex5 жыл бұрын
I have a query to anyone familar with Sennheiser headphones. I have a pair of wireless hdr 180's and was wondering which wired sennheisers are comparable. (Sound quality & signature)
@stefanviskovic45786 жыл бұрын
Hey man! Love your reviews since you are listening to the same genre of music as I do. One question though, which mic are you using? I am on the lookout for one, and yours sounds pretty damn good.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
Rode NT1
@fatballs74665 жыл бұрын
Hello, great review about these HD 660S, I have them too and the HD58X, and to my ears, these two sound pretty similar, I'd like to know your opinion about these two pair of headphones. It would be great if you do a review of the HD 58x or a comparison. And what you think about them. I watched a couple of reviews, from zeos and he thinks almost the same. What do you think!!!.. greetings from Peru.
@dillacorn_linux5 жыл бұрын
He made a video a day after your comment. I've owned both as well and A/B tested them too. The HD 58X has more bass and overall the treble is not as good as any of the HD 600 line of choices. Personally I loved the HD 600 and now own a HD 660 S. I also own a pair of HE 4XX which I've been nothing but enjoying. I'm sure I would like the HD 650 too.
@fatballs74665 жыл бұрын
@@dillacorn_linux The HD600 are great flat overall headphones, I find the HD58X AND HD660S very similar in all aspects, the HD58X has slightly more thumb bass, which is delicious and enjoyable, I'd like that metal571 do a real Blind test with these two headphones. These are very similar and great. I think more enjoyable than the 6xx
@dillacorn_linux5 жыл бұрын
@@fatballs7466 Yeah I agree somewhat. I felt like the HD 660 S had better detail representation with some vocalists and instruments. I also felt like detail was more apparent and separation of detail with instruments is def better. Still loved the HD 58X overall though. I nearly felt like they sounded more natural.
@fatballs74665 жыл бұрын
@@dillacorn_linux I agree.. I also have dt 770pro 80ohm, and have to tell you, these are a Great close headphones, one of the best I've ever tried..the review that metal571 did was really accurate. Very fast, punchy, precise, natural sound, excellent imaging, great mids and highs superb
@dillacorn_linux5 жыл бұрын
@@fatballs7466 Oh interesting I will have to add that to my list for headphones I need to try.
@BraveBond4 жыл бұрын
Hello. Many reviewers have highlighted that this headphone lacks the warm sound produced by 650S and is not even nearby 650S. I am looking for a headphone with detailed sound buts and warm sound. I mostly listen to songs that include Rhythm guitar and 80's rock and ballads. Is this model really worth buying?
@gullibleskeptic32376 жыл бұрын
I just bought a hd660s a couple weeks ago and been seeing allot of praise for the dt1990. Especialy the bass is supposed to be very good. But is it much better quality wise than the 660s? I like to listen to rock music with female vocals like avril lavigne for example. Which one would be better for that task? Also i have sonarworks to have them both be completely flat. Which one do you think would be superior given they both have the same frequentie curve? Love your channel btw.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
I just don't like the way Beyer does treble, 1990 included. People keep hyping it up and while it is the best of the new Tesla driver stuff, I prefer the way the 660S sounds, although it probably will not ever match the bass quality of the 1990 because it drops off so much without EQ. But at the same time I couldn't listen to the 1990 even after EQ as it retained a metallic edge where the 660 is more natural, much less sibilant, and faster and smoother in the highs.
@gullibleskeptic32376 жыл бұрын
i use eq apo to boost the bass by 5db at 30hz which makes it sound pretty flat. it just misses some slam in the lowest frequenties though its plenty fast in the midbass. sonarworks will boost the bass even more/deeper and also raises the mids between 2 and 4khz. I wish i could have the faster bass of the 1990s without trading the other qualities. i still have the possibility of trading but maybe im better off keeping this one.
@mehrdadgog8504 жыл бұрын
i have m50x + dragonfly black and just listen to electronic music . i want to know buy hd 600 , 650 or 660s is good for me ? hd 600 , 650 or 660s + apogee groove is a good combination ? thx
@JioFreedOfOphan6 жыл бұрын
I was awaiting your thoughts on this, like others have mentioned, Tyll and aornic both have qualms about these cans but even I've thought surely there would eventually be something made by sennheiser in the same product line that wouldn't be so much like the 600's but close to the sound signatures. Billie Holiday's Crazy Calls Me is buttery smooth and in the center of your head with the 600's. perhaps you could A/B the song with the 660 S just compare the difference in presentation, would love to know what you think. Cheers.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
+JioFreedOfOphan already did a/b them and my thoughts were in the video for all genres
@serban21396 жыл бұрын
I've got AKG K702 and I'm looking for another pair that are comfortable and sound better, but I can't seem to find anything better under 250£ and my pair was 120£. Any ideas? I think 599 would be more comfortable, but either the same or worse sound than k702. Hmm...
@rickg80156 жыл бұрын
Interesting polarizing opinions from reviewers.. I hope my dealer has this soon for audition.
@BooGiMayn716 жыл бұрын
Hi. I want to get the beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm and i want to use it with a audio interface. I currently have the behringer uphoria um2 but i want to get a much better one. So my question is; How well will the headphone with a audio interface do? and do you recomend it? If so, what interface would be the best? I would be really happy for a good answer because im searching allot but didnt find any good answers so far. thx :)
@Ph3nomen0N6 жыл бұрын
High clamping force, pads go flat quickly - seems like cause and effect to me.
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
Hopefully these supposedly new pads, which have firmer foam, will deform more slowly.
@AboveEmAllProduction6 жыл бұрын
hello i like your reveiws. i have a pair of sennheiser hd540 from 1985. where would you put those compared to any of the current models? are they worth upgrading or should i just get new pads for them? they are glorious sounding so im not sure exactly which model would be a sidegrade or an upgrade.
@akritisahu47255 жыл бұрын
Hey, What are the top 3 open back headphones under $500 for mixing pop music. Thank You.
@jorgeluisfernandez25606 жыл бұрын
Man i have several heahphones in a middle range and i have high ends like focal elear and beyerdinamic amiron home, im looking for another can, so i want to know which i would pick? Dt 1990 pro or these senn 660s? Please answer me, it will be a great help!
@audiogal69776 жыл бұрын
would these sound good with a high impedance amp? and will not get distorted? (since they are 150 ohm..) thanks.
@k-lawn2 жыл бұрын
I love your eq for the 650. Do you still have your 660s eq saved for reference?
@venomgame4216 жыл бұрын
Please help with the choice. I need headphones for listening to music and playing games. Detailed sound, positioning in games and convenience are important. Don't want the headphones had a microphone in HyperX, Razer, and for music they are bad. Think buy Sennheiser, in my store has HD559, HD 569, but there is no tests on Russian language . Advise headphones for such a price, roughly 100$. From HD 559 or HD 569, or another firm. Sorry for my English
@rem73316 жыл бұрын
Hd 559
@matrixz66 жыл бұрын
Mine should be here tomorrow!
@joemojou66536 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! You surely know about Cans. I owned an HD600 headphone for 16 years and now they are totally worn out, I also think they don´t sound like before. What would you recommend as an upgrade for getting a pleasing sound while being accurate for mixing? I know this sounds general, but an opinion from a guru like you would be great. Cheers I´m glad I discovered your channel
@metal5716 жыл бұрын
Honestly if you haven't in a while, just get new earpads. It will drastically change the sound and bring the treble back into focus
@joemojou66536 жыл бұрын
thank you! You just convinced me to do that. Have a nice day
@jevule130bpm74 жыл бұрын
would my komplete audio 6 be able to drive these? if not , what is a good decent not too expensive amp?