So Many People Didn't Even Watch Larrin's Video On ARRPM9

So Many People Didn't Even Watch Larrin's Video On ARRPM9 - TKG 215

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Ай бұрын

This is a long rant. Instead of assuming the context of VERY IMPORTANT uploads such as the one recently uploaded by Larrin Thomas, we should ALL do better about ACTUALLY watching/paying attention to this stuff before we start spreading the wrong information around our community.
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@metal_complex Ай бұрын

You can skip this VERY LONG RANT and just watch Larrin's upload for yourself here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hqyagpqVtZnGo2g.htmlsi=rZzBB44q1YPLX-Zp

@Cycle774 Ай бұрын

But we love your rants!

@lukenodag5784 Ай бұрын

I watched Larrin but skipped through this, no offense it's just a long video lol

@metal_complex Ай бұрын

@lukenodag5784 that's exactly why the link is there 👍

@kosher8720 Ай бұрын

Skip past the rant?! The RANT IS TKG. TKG IS THE RANT

@brianreinbold2055 Ай бұрын

Larrin underestimated peoples stupidity with his thumbnail.

@DaelMorris Ай бұрын

100%

@nandayane Ай бұрын

Did someone say survive knives? I heard stupidity directed at Larrin

@Cycle774 Ай бұрын

Respect. And truth. People don’t want to spend 20 min watching a video but they’ll spend 40 scrolling through comments.

@bjayhoward Ай бұрын

Honestly, its embarrassing that people could look at the thumbnail on Larrin's video and convince themselves that the blade broke perfectly clean the way it did and in as many places as it did. Great video, both of you guys!!

@joelamaro4525 Ай бұрын

Exactly. That’s some crazy messed up manufacturing if it breaks in a perfect. That’s what one of my previous employers would have called sabotage.

@xdfanatic Ай бұрын

ARRPM9 isn't truly a PM steel, its just 9CR18MOV with a .3% addition of cobalt and spray formed. There is your short answer. its annoying how so many people base their opinions about blade steel on feelings instead of facts.

@maxlvledc Ай бұрын

I mean 50% toughness improvement is still quite good. BUT the issue is that they claimed it was something it was not.

@joeftan Ай бұрын

⁠@@maxlvledcExactly! I don’t condone false or intentionally misleading advertising, period. However, being the cynic and realist that I am, knowing that it has always been a budget steel, Larrin’s video pretty much affirmed what I thought AR RPM9 was.

@tsmspace Ай бұрын

well I mean I bought one and based my opinion about the quality on my feelings after using it a little bit but my immediate reaction was that I don't know that much about powder metal but something is off because it felt like a normal steel to me. a good one though, it's a really good knife. it's not a stunning edge like some can be though

@tacticalcenter8658 Ай бұрын

Its worse than 9cr18mov. And its not specifically spray form but proprietary jet powder casting.

@maxlvledc Ай бұрын

@tacticalcenter8658 based on what? I see no data to support this opinion. Should they have been more clear? Definitely. But no one has stated its worse..in fact Pete from cedric and ada found it could do more cuts than 9cr. And based on Larrin's works, the carbide are definitely smaller than 9cr ingot.

@Bobs_Pocket_Knives Ай бұрын

I'm curious to see if Artisan or CJRB respond to the Knife Steel Nerds video. I'll admit that I'm guilty of being a Pyrite fanboy, so my opinion is biased. I've been using AR-RPM9 for like 3 years now with no complaints. All my knives still cut shit. Yes I'm disappointed that the steel isn't as advertised, but I still like my knives. Anyone who hasn't seen the video should go watch it. It's short for how in depth he goes into detail. Long story short, it's still a great budget steel, as proven by the video, but the name is misleading.

@Luis_fmo Ай бұрын

I saw people bringing the subject up on their social media and they are talking to Larry and preparing a public statement.

@dubester1982 Ай бұрын

Agreed. It's still a good budget steel. I really don't care one bit. I really think this is more of a lost in translation situation than Artisan purposefully being obtuse. Knife Nerd came off quite a bit douchey honestly.

@steveswanson5890 Ай бұрын

@dubester1982 yep very very minor issue here as I see it. 9cr with a little more toughness is just fine, these are budget knives after all. Personally I think they should go with Larrins suggestion of calling it ASF7 and all will be well. Sounds better and is more accurate for the consumer.

@Monsoonpain Ай бұрын

Bucks version of 7cr, Spyderco 8cr13mov, RPM 9 are all fine for daily , regular use. I have become LESS snobby on steel. In fact, my S90v QSP penguin at $180 , has SUCKED, and has been out classed, out performed by my Buck 110, Buck Odessa , and CRKT, or Spyderco 8CR13MOV

@48mastadon Ай бұрын

It's been a while since you posted a TKG episode. I miss these. I watched the ARRPM9 video you're talking about just yesterday. He did a great job explaining the composition of the steel and the difference between spray form and powder metallurgy.

@twatmunro Ай бұрын

I also watched it yesterday. Great video.

@dan_taninecz_geopol Ай бұрын

The idea that we as consumers don't deserve transparency from companies is the most disturbing response to this whole thing. I simply can't get behind that kind of prioritizing of corporations over people.

@Bobs_Pocket_Knives Ай бұрын

People have responded saying that we don't deserve transparency? That's wild.

@dan_taninecz_geopol Ай бұрын

@@Bobs_Pocket_Knives on MC's original post there was some pretty ridiculous stuff said. I'm glad he's covering this, his platform is really a powerful amplifier people doing the right thing in this community.

@steveswanson5890 Ай бұрын

I did not see any comments on that post that said anything like that? This whole thing is a very minor slight on artisans part.

@SixArmedPriest Ай бұрын

@@steveswanson5890Minor? It's pretty serious that a knife company doesn't know what they are making their knives out of. It's very important that Companies actually know their product specifications. Promoting incorrect information is a huge problem a lot of Companies are currently guilty of.

@steveswanson5890 Ай бұрын

@SixArmedPriest yes. It is minor. Should artisan know what they are using and convey it more accurately to the consumer? Yes. Was anyone really harmed by this revelation? No. Cheap knives using a perfectly fine steel for the class with a little boost to toughness.

@matthewhebbert9712 Ай бұрын

Watched this whole video while fidgeting with my RPM9 CJRB Lago that has lived in my pocket and done *work* since it came out, and will be there again tomorrow... 😉

@AngealHewley88 Ай бұрын

Been itching for a new knife and been REALLY looking at the Lago. I like the design, so I take it as a recommended knife then? 😅

@MarthaTorres-gu7vd 2 күн бұрын

He didn't trash it. He just said it's not what they said it was. He said it's a descent steel. All and all.

@pastubbs Ай бұрын

Having worked for large companies, I have seen a large technical gap between the engineering department and the marketing team. Ultimately, the release of the marking material is left up to the corporate overseers, who can be just as unknowledgeable about a product's specification as the marking team, which leads to them approving inaccurate marking material to be released.

@acfanjgill Ай бұрын

I didn’t even know about spray form steel until I watched it. Either way I’ve had decent performance out of AR-RPM9

@MmmGrayons Ай бұрын

Odds are neither did Artisan lmao

@dextermomarte77 Ай бұрын

Watched your while video and thank you for bringing Larrin’s video to my attention. I watched that as well and agree it was very clearly articulated. Thank you for your dedication to the integrity of the message, and not just metrics for each and engagement. I’m 10 years older than you, and totally see the difference in attention span from my children and myself, and the drift in just myself historically vs now given the digital habits and practices over the last dozen years or so. I live in TX but originally from Missouri; went to Mizzou and still have several friends in KC. Would love to meet you and have beers someday. Take care and keep up the great work.

@didgemonkey Ай бұрын

I watched Larrin's video last night after seeing Birdshot iv talking about it, and it was very informative, so i totally understand your rant, and i totally agree... too many folk simply see a headline or thumbnail and jump to conclusions coz they can't concentrate for more time than a TikTok short...

@knottheory79220 Ай бұрын

I've been seeing so many people calling ARPM9 "trash steel" now, and honestly that's not what he says about it at all, he just points out the steel is not exactly what it is marketed as. He doesn't even say it's bad, it's just on par with a bargain Chinese steel.

@twatmunro Ай бұрын

Hang on a second. Knife Centre has for YEARS now been shilling this stuff as a bargain equivalent to S35VN. If they'd been saying 'It's really no differerent to the Chinese budget steels', I suspect they'd have sold a lot fewer knives. I don't own one myself, but I definitely feel like I've been consistently misled.

@knottheory79220 Ай бұрын

@@twatmunro That's on Knife Center though, that's beyond the scope of the video Larrin made. He even points out people in the industry don't know what the terms mean. I was certainly misled, I thought it was a true particle steel.

@joelamaro4525 Ай бұрын

⁠@@twatmunroI would like to see where they said it was the equivalent of s35vn. If they ACTUALLY said that then I think thats as big or bigger problem.

@roybokelman4215 Ай бұрын

Knife Center usually mentions it is close to D2 in edge retention, but is stainless.

@metal_complex Ай бұрын

I would also like to know where I can find this quote from Knife Center. I have never heard them say it was the same as S35VN

@0zmose Ай бұрын

The funny thing is, it's not even really a negative video. The big take away is, it's pretty much a tougher version of 9cr, which is still good for the price range it's in. His criticism is just in the name and marketing.

@EtotheFnD Ай бұрын

Metal underscore Complex...never change kid....NEVER CHANGE

@RegularJoeKnife Ай бұрын

I understand why Larrin decide to look into Artisans AR-RPM9 steel since that is part of what he does. I've personally never had an issue with the AR-RPM9 blade steel on my knives. If they did not hold up or had other issues than I would be more concerned. I appreciate what Larrin does and like looking at his data on his site.

@NCCoder Ай бұрын

If I'm assessing it correctly, it seems the marketing department got ahead of the engineering department. I think that's happening more and more lately.

@KiNKnives Ай бұрын

That thumbnail single single-handedly cost artisan cutlery thousands of sales

@SixArmedPriest Ай бұрын

To be fair, their negligence in knowing their steel composition gained them thousands of sales. I'm sure Larrins video is negligible when it comes to sales in the grand scheme of things.

@metal_complex Ай бұрын

@@SixArmedPriest💯

@davidheath2427 Ай бұрын

We all make mistakes. But Artisan cutlery made multiple mistakes in naming and selling their proprietary steel . Note I said mistakes not lied

@callyacaos5339 Ай бұрын

@@davidheath2427 and don't forget the "secret ingrediens" that were not so special at all

@kid5Media Ай бұрын

@@davidheath2427 At some point (and I watched the full video) an accumulation of mistakes or "corrections" with further mistakes verges on lying.

@mikereese15 Ай бұрын

Thanks for linking the video. I been wanting to watch it.

@DeerUNIT42 Ай бұрын

1) It was a GREAT video by Lairen! 2) Thinking critically, about manufacturing, is it possibly more so that the powder form and spray form methods results prove out and produce more of a spectrum than a this or that result? There's many variables, that weren't covered in the video. Air pressure on the spray, nosel tips, speed and temperature, etc. comparing how Crucible makes powder form vs spray form, may not be relative to a lower and supplier in comparison. It's not like these things are badged with a certification that warrants a particular manufacturing standard. Would like to see some more followup videos from him and others on this. 3) From his analysis of the results we see an improved steel over 9CR, at a budget offering better than its direct competition. Marketing from every company is strategic manipulation, so let's not throw stones in a glass house.

@dan_taninecz_geopol Ай бұрын

I am writing a book on how recommendation systems contribute to this exact issue. It's breaking our politics and our ability to engage with one another.

@nachoisme Ай бұрын

This is our political system in a nutshell. Take a sliver of information and expand on it exponentially to ‘prove’ a point without putting the sliver of information into context with the entirety of the message.

@davidheath2427 Ай бұрын

We have already destroyed these abilities. We have a whole generation with no attention span . And a warped perspective on life . And it's my generations fault .

@mikeydudek2885 Ай бұрын

And that is intentional. The information war started years ago and we are currently losing.

@justinlowry8305 Ай бұрын

Critical thinking and healthy skepticism have never been more important.

@danielfinger6223 Ай бұрын

@nachoisme Somebody has been paying attention. 😅. Mankind ehhh.. yeah we treat each other horribly. Their is a lot of people with no wisdom and baseless facts. These are the same people who will never admit that they are wrong even when the truth smacks them in the face. Conceited narcissistic, and entitled people are a real joy.😊

@_itsjustBrad Ай бұрын

Loved his video, fairly new to the realm of different blade steels and it helped to learn something new.

@oscarguevara4773 36 минут бұрын

I took a break from this video to go watch Larrin's video and then came back here. I just recently got into knives. I like long informational videos. I might stop a long video and then come back to it when I have time. I can sometimes get the context before the end of the video. I understood it because I was good in the STEM's. It's nice to know what you are getting. People sometimes hear something think it's one thing when it's something else. It happens not all manufacturers understand what they are getting and selling. The material is still good just labeled wrong by not understanding what they have. Mistakes like that happen even outside this community.

@atishch Ай бұрын

Love your rants! I missed the TKG series...

@frk1980 Ай бұрын

If CRJB had done this with premium steels, I'd be more disturbed. But with 9Cr, I doubt there would be much improvement with spray form or powder form. I mostly buy CRJB for esthetics and rank them along the same lines as Sencut, and none of the knives I've bought have done me wrong yet.

@ajpend Ай бұрын

I paid $73 for a 9Cr with a titanium bolster, which was materially worth no more than $53. They were able to charge more than the blade materials were worth because they had misled the public and the consumer about the nature of the blade materials. Can the blade be put into effective cutting geometry? Yes. Are they able to charge more than their blades are worth because they provided misleading information and created false impressions? Yes.

@frk1980 Ай бұрын

@@ajpend Any company can ultimately charge whatever they want. It's spray form 9Cr, so it's not complete deception. They never claimed powder metallurgy steel; it says "powder material," and spray form is a powder process. WE charging $300 more for knives with damascus blades is more of a ripoff than this.

@ajpend Ай бұрын

@@frk1980 My statement has no hidden or shadowed meanings. I said what I wanted you to hear.

@nateubl7235 Ай бұрын

I’ve watched the entirety of this video and Larrin. I appreciate the rant here, I can hear the emotion in the topic. But yes, probably could have been a little shorter. For the Larrin video, it was obviously very well done; I’m so glad knife steel nerds is around to help us all! I do think Larrin could have been a little more critical of CJRB/Artisan Cutlery. While we don’t know their true intentions, I’m married to a marketing executive & familiar with the “creative language” to provide the most flattering image of the product. I do tend to be more pessimistic of for profit companies, I would “suspect” Artisan Cutlery was more aware of marketing the steel specifics. But would love to hear their response to the Larrin video.

@danw9865 Ай бұрын

I watched the entire video. I guess I wasn’t necessarily shocked. I wonder if any other companies are doing this type of thing🤨

@nachoisme Ай бұрын

‘Assembled in the USA’ enters the chat My favorite is ‘Designed and Engineered in the USA’

@MmmGrayons Ай бұрын

@@nachoismeinfinitely more egregious than the Artisan blunder

@SOMNIOHM Ай бұрын

_Enjoyable rant! I'm here for it!_

@thegreendank1 Ай бұрын

I didn't know who he was, and when i saw the thumbnail i even thought it was about the blades breaking. BUT I WATCHED THE VIDEO and not only was it entertaining, but i learned a lot about different blade making techniques.

@timtitus2532 Ай бұрын

I watched Larrin's video on AR-RPM9 and so what? Educational videos on blade steels is a good thing. Just bought my first AR-RPM9 bladed knife a couple weeks ago. Not disappointed in it. I make my own mind up about blade steel and how they perform. I appreciate your input. Thanks

@Cid_1 Ай бұрын

I love that peacock pattern in the Timascus/zircuti on that Herman in the middle of the table. It looks so nice.

@steveb6553 Ай бұрын

Another great and important video MC! Speak for myself only, your content and contribution to the knife community is much appreciated 💪👍 keep it coming bro ✌️

@chaserobinson2391 Ай бұрын

Spot on, sir!! Sadly, this video is a microcosm of society's problems today. I watched Larin’s video and thought it was well done and did not come away with a view all that much different from what I thought before. It is a good budget steel that is a little better than 9cr. I love the knife guy videos, and congrats on becoming a papa again!!

@superman1971zzz Ай бұрын

What's the knife in the middle with the blue pivot?

@geekof92 Ай бұрын

Hey MC, I'm always pressed for time so I watch your videos at 2x speed, but I do watch the whole thing. Big fan of your work. Hope my watch speed doesn't screw up your analytics.

@GBall_Vision Ай бұрын

im not skipping nothing, i come here for the rants and shouting

@di4bol1c4l7 Ай бұрын

100% agree. I watched the video the day he put it out. Very informative. His videos generally are. Luckily I do not have any of those blades. I almost got a pyrite but now glad I didn't. I believe some good will come of this.

@ajpend Ай бұрын

What’s the knife on the far right, in the middle, with the flipper tab and pronounced thumb swedge on the blade spine?

@user-bn6zd6ss3v Ай бұрын

Maxace Dragon

@LH_Vagrant Ай бұрын

@@user-bn6zd6ss3v Oof, that's disappointing. I found myself eyeballing that one as well, but I just can't with that blade.

@JesseCohen Ай бұрын

New this vid was coming when I saw your comment on his video yesterday. Thanks, appreciate you boosting the signal like this.

@chevyman6999 Ай бұрын

Man I miss these Knife Guy rants hahaha. Great stuff MC, love it!

@claytonthecountryboy3272 Ай бұрын

Anyone else watching complex talk with his hands in the reflection of the stitch?

@R0CK3DOUT Ай бұрын

hes fighting the spaghetti wizards i cant blame him

@BolsteredBlades Ай бұрын

I watched & then seen people who didn't watch talk about the info they didn't watch!

@jakefromohiostate Ай бұрын

I’m glad you did another TKG episode, I prefer meaningful rants over standard “reviews”. No offense to any creator, I’ve just moved passed that stage of knife collecting/KZfaq. I found Larrin’s video absolutely FASCINATING! I watched it twice! Which certainly puts me into a minority….also I despise KZfaq shorts and I don’t have any social media,,,,which clearly makes me a freak these days 😂😂😂

@bryanwhited5474 Ай бұрын

Good information! I like AR-RPM9 for its price point but it is less of a steel then how they describe it. I would love to see a comparison between AR-RPM9 and 14C28N.

@eatonknass247 Ай бұрын

Pure personal experience of hard construction use, 14c is better. Rpm9 has a tendency to get small breakouts on the edge if you put any torque into a cut of something like wood. It's like it's just a touch too hard. Could be the individual knives I've used that were on the higher end of their hrc but that's my anecdotal, non scientific experience

@bryanwhited5474 Ай бұрын

@@eatonknass247 Thanks for your experience.

@ryansmock2717 Ай бұрын

I watched the entire video on Larrin's AR-RPM9 video. I actually learned a lot and it was a lot of fun!

@HobbyHobbit-ue6oi Ай бұрын

I watched his video the day before you uploaded this one and wondered if you would mention it.

@paulmills426 Ай бұрын

What was aarpm9 compared to performance wise before we found out it was basically 9cr level?

@metal_complex Ай бұрын

Exactly that. As Larrin pointed out

@Obsidian-One Ай бұрын

Yes I watch every video Dr Larrin drops asap! Why wouldn't you? So I was wondering if the old man steel was actually a powder steel. No but it is a spray form which is still better, you can actually see the carbides are smaller!

@lando8913 Ай бұрын

I've heard rumors for a while it wasn't powder form, so I think this info has been out there in some capacity but it's nice to get a definitive answer.

@GrimLocke161 Ай бұрын

I was kinda confused at first as to when Larrin was gunna break the knife, but I was much more elated to see illustrations of how the classic, powder form, and spray form ingot processes work! That was more illuminating and interesting than the fact that AC/CJRB weren't being totally on the up and up! And, I also lament how distracted I am and always trying to do too many things at once, and not being more mindful. In particular, I regret not reading more books, tho I still make time for reading articles and comics, tho I'd also like to make more time for some longer manga and games. To wit, I normally work out while listening to music, and, lately, while listening to new albums, but I wound up listening to this episode while doing some food prep for making sunday sauce, and then doing some of my standing shoulder presses, chest flies, and hammer curls. 💪😙 Finally, I hope that CJRB or some of the other budget looking knives on the table had AR-RPM9, since it would be ironic to have a vid about it and not have one on display! 😝

@jacobgreen1260 Ай бұрын

@metal_complex The issue I had with the video isn't with Dr. Larrin Thomas. It is with the multiple clips of CJRB and Artisan cutlery describing the steel as having comparable edge retention to D2 while being as stain resistant as 14C28N. While the original video said to "not attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity" If CJRB/Artisan Cutlery wasn't being malicious then they were certainly grossly negligent by not giving their representatives accurate information. Either way, they are at fault for not being thorough.

@4NdR3_K Ай бұрын

Great video, thanks. I watched that video from start to end because I have a blade like that. I wanted to know the truth. I was quite happy to learn that it was not as bad as the thumbnail suggested. Larrin was very professional about it

@MrEver73 21 күн бұрын

Completely agree, context is always king and misunderstanding is the root of most arguments and problems. Love metal complex and the way he delivers information even if it means I put on videos like this when doing house chores.

@Below-Average_Joe Ай бұрын

After watching Laryn Thomas’ video, I noticed that he said 9CR is the equivalent 440B. 440C has the highest carbon content of the 440 steels, so it can’t trash, as you like to say. My dad gave me my first knife in 1965, and I am old enough to remember when 440c was the best available stainless steel. It certainly is not super steel, but it is not garbage.

@MisterDeets Ай бұрын

The ironic part of all this is that Larrin did say the spray formed steel was likely slightly tougher than standard 9CR18MOV, which would make broken blade less likely rather than more likely. The thing that gets me is that the edge retention was said to be slightly below D2 and now we learn that it isn't very likely to be anywhere near D2. Did those claims come directly from Artisan (Russel) or was that someone else unaffiliated with Artisan that spread that claim? I would like to find out where that came from before we attribute anything to simple well wishes etcetera.

@Ward_918 Ай бұрын

Love the Knife Guy rants. It’s like talking with a good friend. Keep up the great information and entertainment. Thanks buddy

@bornonthebattlefront4883 Ай бұрын

Thanks MC for talking about this In other industries, such as the gaming market There is a lot of misinformation, a lot of lying and misleading advertising And a lot of it is swept under the rug because the target demographic doesn’t really care unfortunately I don’t want the knife world to fall apart like they are Keep on these companies, everyone being honest, and transparent, is only good for the consumer and the company themselves Not saying artisan needs to be boycott They just need to do better I’ve seen this happen elsewhere The industry standards get lax We forgive a few mistakes without correcting them Then the marketing teams realize they can just lie So they do And then it turns into the GPU market, with 3x performance claims, but with tiny text saying they were using completely different settings and options, giving their new product a better chance

@xyliss Ай бұрын

I watched Larrins video when it came out and this video in entirety. Larrin is smart enough to know that if he puts a picture of a broken blade in a thumbnail people will jump to conclusions. Clickbait reactions are not entirely the fault of the viewer when the creator made the clickbait, trying to illicit a knee jerk reaction from potential viewers. Yes, viewers should be more cognizant of how the consume information, but his thumbnail choice is not helping the problem, its making it worse. Don't clickbait, if you don't want clickbait reactions. I get that it's just part of how content creation goes if you want to have a sucessful platform. In this case, I dont think it was justified. Play SEO games, get SEO viewers. Are you really that surprising that people got the wrong impression? Is there really no other thumbnail that wouldn't have caused that? Although I found Larrin's video to be quite informative, he often does not have perfect presentation. Saying Artisan's claims were not necessarily malicious contradicts him repeatedly calling it false advertising, which is inherently deceptive or recklessly negligent. He could've just said "not all PM processes are equal" and explained the deeper nuances, but calling false advertising is very directly trying to point fingers. He has every ability to educate people without resorting to that, but for whatever reason he does anyway. I agree that Larrin provides very important testing and information that no one else is, and is an overall net positive to this weird hobby. But personally, I find some if his videos to be unnecessarily pedantic, especially when you consider that much of this company in a country that does not primarily speak English. You can't really expect nuances like PM vs sprayform (a term most if us didnt even know a week ago) to come across in marketing material.

@JohnDoe-zb7dz Ай бұрын

Problem? KZfaq is rewarding click baiting content creators. Ratings have become more valuable than the message. A thumbs down is a thumbs up on YT. I watched the whole video which means the title and thumbnail was appropriate and not misleading. I got exactly what I clicked on and you earned an honest thumbs up. That's how it should work.

@joeftan Ай бұрын

Precisely! KZfaq and all of social media is specifically designed to be sensational and inherently misleading. It takes a lot of discipline to apply critical thinking skills, which many have never learned…sadly. If one knows the very basics of steel, the cheap steels tend to be very tough, and will NOT shatter easily.

@kickstothehead3705 Ай бұрын

Ironic, had to say it cuz my tag , I seen the video what I took from it was LT was saying the industry doesn’t know enough and we don’t know enough to tell we are being lied to about blade steel not always and maybe unbeknownst to the company

@tobins6800 Ай бұрын

I watched the video. Seeing the thumbnail, i looked to see who posted it, instantly knowing that it was an analysis of the blade steel.

@thewarriorking210421 Ай бұрын

I had a knife nerdgasm watching Larrin's video. I learned so much.

@tsmspace Ай бұрын

I have one of these cjrb arrpm9 knives (gobi) and when I got it, I did think the steel was not the quality that "powder metal" is supposed to be ,,, but tbh it's still one of my favorite knives, I think it's a great knife. It feels like two things: it feels like people will be disappointed when they get one, and it feels like over time they will gain a lot of respect for it. It's bigger and heavier than I imagined I wanted it to be, it doesn't quite have the edge retention I imagined it could be, and even the shape made me think it's going to be clumsy when I expected it to be precise ,,, but in reality and in practice, it's holding and edge really well, I love it ,,, the weight is really good for stability and it turns out to be useful even when I thought it wouldn't ,,, and it has yet to feel clumsy , it actually is really well done. ,, and on top of it all, the price was perfectly affordable. So ,, I can agree that hmm it seemed like I was going to find out the metal was actually just regular knife metal ,, but for the 30$ I paid , it's really good, really sharp, feels easy to sharpen, and will certainly be a friend through life.

@GeezerGear Ай бұрын

What a RAVE not a rant as your passion is undeniable.

@JamEWalsh Ай бұрын

My take after watching his video wasn't that CJRB/Artisan doesn't know enough to accurately present, name, or otherwise describe their steel. It's the fact (in my experience) that marketing departments are wholly unconcerned and unencumbered by factual information. This is always the struggle when working with a marketing team: they really just want to use whatever language they think is going to sell the product. They're not interested in what is technically correct. As long as the company can't be sued for false advertising then marketing is going to say whatever nonsense they think is clever and strategically beneficial.

@jonathanwatson268 Ай бұрын

I listened to his whole video and this whole video. And almost all of your other videos for the last 3-4 years. I work in a paint booth so i soak up a LOT of long form content 😅

@The_RC_Guru Ай бұрын

I had just ordered the night before Larrins video my first ar-rpm9 knife. I saw his thumbnail and that it was his channel and thought oh no. It’s not so bad tho. I certainly would not of ordered the Prada if it was labeled as 9cr tho. I think I’ll be happy with it when it comes in the mail

@BillBranscome Ай бұрын

Ya I watched his video Friday evening. I’m wondering if Artisan will conduct an investigation and report their findings or just kinda hope it goes away.

@Benroe-yz1nz Ай бұрын

I watched the video and still don't completely understand it. I thought it powder 9cr before watching the video. Now I'm wondering is it spray form 9cr? Is it spray form 7cr? Very confusing.

@kikimc_TM Ай бұрын

Spray form 9CR + some cobalt, that don’t do much… But only 7 elements are added intentionally, hence he called it 7CR in the video, but composition is closest to 9CR.

@andyhayward1261 Ай бұрын

Love TKG. It was insane how many people were aggressively misunderstanding the point of that video in your comments 😅

@mikereese15 Ай бұрын

Seriously great point at the end. Watching a m9vie last night with the kids and found myself looking at my phone and then I miss a part and have to go back 😆

@asn101 Ай бұрын

Irony about steel? Anyway…what I found interesting about his video is it subtly suggests that the error may not have been (fully) intentional. That a few (perhaps more than a few) of these Chinese companies do the same thing that some US companies do…and outsource parts…obviously steel considering they get a lot from the US and Europe…and not exactly know how they are made and/or what exactly is in them. No real shock to anyone. And just like in the US as you move up the quality ladder that gets less impactful. Much further down the ladder some of these companies are just assembly brands. The fun bit this time isn’t that we didn’t know exactly it was, but the company that made the product may not have either. Added a whole level of opaqueness to the product.

@joet81 Ай бұрын

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@Hexsyn Ай бұрын

How can you NOT listen to his videos? I've listened to his damascus study 50 ish minute video like 4 times. 1 time glued to the screen, 3 more times just listening while sharpening!

@MmmGrayons Ай бұрын

MC please run a poll asking people Yes or No as to wether they knew of the existence and difference of sprayform vs powderform vs traditional steels before Larrin’s video.

@MrMcGlinchey Ай бұрын

i dont know enough about metallurgy to fully understand larrins video and yes i did watch it

@ExamonLyf 6 күн бұрын

All true.., and a primary reason I watch your channel (and some of “Neeves” and couple of others pretty much exclusively) The nature of blogging darn near makes it a “set-up” for misinformation, assumptions that are stated as FACT, etc. It truly NEEDS highlighting that a significant amount of commentary shouldn’t have much value coming from folks that have NEVER (in real life) gained much knowledge at all in regard to either intense research, many years of experience, or actually MAKING ANYTHING! 😊 At the end of the “Tree of Knowledge” is: - Gaining the CORRECT information. - Not posting spontaneous comments based on a non-expert opinion, and EVEN THEN ~~> give a link to the expert opinions, without hijacking those opinions as being your own. - We can all be guilty on some level of posting incorrect information. Personally I think that’s “Being Human 101”, but your depiction of “Keyboard Commandos” that do this day-in-day-out is a HUGE PROBLEM. Thanks for your view on it. It’s very good in my opinion.

@alibby22 Ай бұрын

But the rambling is the best part! And if you didn't watch all of Larin's video, you are definitely doing him a disservice, I watched it the other day, quite a bit of nuance if you skim it or just look at the thumbnail.

@BFVgnr Ай бұрын

It's funny watching the reflected gestures in the polished DLC while you talk about how context matters.

@joelamaro4525 Ай бұрын

Hey, MC. Have you ever heard of Joerg Sprave? He has a knife, slingshot, and air gun channel. His company is part owner of Midgard Messer. He put up a new video today showing the knives he got at the German knife show.

@Dont_Poke_The_Bear Ай бұрын

There will always be a part of the population that lives and thrives in the "cliff notes" realm. This can be seen most prominently in the realm of politics. That being said, I was glad to see him bring the video to light. After using arpm9 I wasn't impressed by it and his video confirmed a lot of my suspicions.

@BowtieJason Ай бұрын

My impression is there is a disconnect between marketting snd engineering, but sheesh. 9 to 7, spray versus powder... That suggests its intentional... or "proprietarily misaccurate."

@jeffthemag1553 Ай бұрын

I did and don’t even know how I came across it.

@joet81 Ай бұрын

OK so let me get this straight.... metal complex hates ar-rpm9 because the blades always break? I'm sure that's what this video is about but I don't have time to watch it all😂

@doogsm6013 Ай бұрын

I watched Larrins video when It popped into my feed and he did a good job breaking down the composition and manufacturing process IMO. Did it make me think less of CJRB? No, but I'd be disappointed if I purchased an Artisan knife at a premium for the same steel. CJRB has some interesting designs at very good prices so I really can't complain. There is a lot of companies who charge more for similar or even lesser quality products with lower grade knife steels.

@BangkokMark Ай бұрын

I watched it immediately. ARRPM7 and spray vs powdered. Cheers!

@mattsmule Ай бұрын

His video was great. He corrected the name, to make it accurate to the steel’s composition.

@SwedishPete Ай бұрын

This guy just won't shut up! Gawd! I just want to post my dumb comment!!

@metal_complex Ай бұрын

Lol 😂

@user-ny3pf1qy3x Ай бұрын

TLDR: RPM9 has 7 significant elements instead of 9, it is not exactly powder metallurgy where the powder is sprayed and cooled into particles that are reforged into an ingot but in a way where the cooled particles accumulate into a bar; the properties of the metal reflect that. It is still a quality steel that outperforms similar compositions made in the traditional way, but likely underperforms true powder metallurgy. However, he did not perform all measurements and some conclusions were extrapolated from similar tests.

@monsterram6617 Ай бұрын

The guy literally said he had to buy the knife and have it cut up to be tested toward the end of the video. Obviously the pic is of the knife _after_ this process.

@michaelmcgill8397 Ай бұрын

I watched Larin's video yesterday and thought, "wow, this is interesting." Today I watch this, read the coments and think, "wow, shit has really hit the fan."

@joeyho5134 Ай бұрын

Larrin Thomas's, a highly qualified professional Metallurgist and Engineer, statements are based on actual tests done. When a thorough test is not performed, he explicitly states it as well. Am so thankful for his sharing this knowledge.

@shawnsadventures2852 Ай бұрын

I watched all the way threw loved it learned allot

@jepjep30 Ай бұрын

it makes me think, and whats Artisans responce....

@bobster_lobster6479 Ай бұрын

The concepts discussed in Dr. Larrin Thomas' may be familiar for experienced knife enthusiast but for a novice, simply understanding the difference between toughness and edge retention can be challenging. I think a lot of the misunderstanding is just a result of inexperience. One definitely needs a foundation of knowledge and hands on experience to adequately understand Dr. Thomas' videos. I think it is reasonable to assume that this problem will only get worse as the knife industry grows. Not to mention all of the misinformation from other popular channels that may have negatively influenced the formative learning experiences of novice knife enthusiasts. For example, the host of BHQ's channel says a lot of silly things... As of the time of this comment. Lastly, all of the experienced knife enthusiast, probably don't leave comments. They gather the information they need, leave, and then make more informed choices. I believe in the optimistic assumption that most consumers in this niche market are reasonable consumers of both products and information but simply remain quiet. Its just a loud minority that grows proportionately to the overall growth of the industry.

@timothy9596 Ай бұрын

One of the problems is there's a decently sized portion of the "community" that isn't the brightest stars in the sky to put it nicely. I'm not some genius by any stretch, far from it. But you can always tell the people who are trying to act like they know what they're talking about and it's painfully obvious they have no clue. Another part of the "community" is the ones that know some obscure fact about some knife from 20 years ago and it makes them feel like they're superior somehow by pointing those things out. Then they will attempt to make you feel like you don't belong because of your lack of knowledge. Bacily I'm describing people that have no life outside of knives and are probably pissed off they still live in their parents basement.

@dtpfeiffer Ай бұрын

Man, I watched this whole video and you didn't even explain how Larrin's blade broke! This problem goes back further than short form content, but it is getting worse. It's just a symptom of the bigger clickbait headline/thumbnail/title society that has taken over and people wanting to act like they are knowledgeable without putting in the effort at actually taking time to learn or verify things. Glad to see TKG come back from time to time, even if it isn't a regular series anymore.

@monsterram6617 Ай бұрын

It didn't break, it had to be cut up to be tested. This is mentioned toward the end of the original video.

@douglasfromalberta2456 Ай бұрын

After watching Larrins video, it makes complete sense why my knives in AR-RPM9 have lack lustre edge retention. That being said it’s a budget friendly steel and I’m not that upset. That being said Artisan should man up and change the Name to ACSF7 😂