Knife Steels Ranked

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Ranking knife steels based on my own (limited) experience.
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@kjam87gxp 2 жыл бұрын

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@metal_complex 2 жыл бұрын

You're too kind

@dfoste1487 2 жыл бұрын

Carpenter 204p?

@CoopKaiju 2 жыл бұрын

Love the breakdown, I'd say I agree with most of the grading. (I'd only bump H1 because it's a perfect one-&-done truck knife. I leave it in there all seasons and never think about it. EDC though, not good at all). That said, I got to the end and was waiting for 20CV on the list. Is that a steel you are avoiding? I thought since it was the M390 killer, for sure you might lean in on it. Also, thanks for making me care about Hinderer and Demko, I think my collection was manageable, but now you are pushing me to different makers.

@dustindye1044 2 жыл бұрын

@@dfoste1487 see m390 or 20cv, they’re extremely similar metal compositions from 3 different manufacturers. In my own personal experience as an idiot that likes knives, the heat treat and grind makes the bigger difference between the 3.

@korybenken5089 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great video. watched the whole thing. Very helpful. I took notes, perhaps this will help others for reference. Knife steel rankings - by Metal Complex S: Great: S35 vn, 154 CM, CPM 154, Damasteel, 14C28N, CruWear, S45VN, Magnacut A: Very Good: M4, CTSHXP, Maxamet, Damacor, K390, LC200N, 1095, CPMd2, Rex 45 B: Pretty Good: S30v, ELMax, CPM3V, M390, ZDP189, Nitro-V, D2, tungsten carbide, terravantuim C: Ok: S90v, VG-10, N690, Aus10, 440c D: Crap: S110V, Aus8, 8C13MOV F: Don't buy ever: Surgical Stainless, H1, 420J, Cheap Damascus

@zeromalice9981 2 жыл бұрын

Oh boy this could get controversial

@BasicPsychology101 4 ай бұрын

I'm 90% convinced he's Jack Black. He even pulls a KungFu Panda all over this vid, like this example: 8:35

@mothman6676 2 жыл бұрын

Nice to see 154CM getting some love. The old school mid-grade steels like 154CM, D2, and AUS-10A are quickly becoming my favorite category of steels just because of how friendly they are for EDC

@joeisabella6811 2 жыл бұрын

Same here. People like to forget that not that long ago 440c and the like were the super steel of their day. 20 years from now their will be people talking crap about those people's old garbage knifes being made of S35 and such! 🤣

@chemislife 2 жыл бұрын

@@joeisabella6811 what do you mean? They already are. The new must have steel to be "cool" is S45VN apparently.

@Omniseed 2 жыл бұрын

@@joeisabella6811 yeah people have been doing that over S35VN since like, three years before it finally cracked the threshold and became available for a good price instead of as a minor discount vs an M390 knife.

@TheScottyp1 2 жыл бұрын

good aus 10 a is suprising isnt it. takes a screaming edge and is tougher in my exp that 154 or s35vn. I remember i sliped with a cold steel cutting heather hose and smacked the edge into a steel shelf (HARD), no defamation or edge damage whatsoever. made me take a closet look and i like what i found.

@mothman6676 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheScottyp1 yeah I think AUS-10A is wonderful for EDC. Cold Steel in particular does an exceptional heat treat.

@anthonym6078 2 жыл бұрын

Dude this was a super interesting video, so much info I'm sure I'll have to go back through and watch it again. I pretty much only bought knives in stainless steel (M390, S30/S35VN, Elmax, etc.) until I started watching a bunch of your videos talking about how awesome some of these non-corrosion resistant steels can be. So I decided to try a Cru Wear Para 3 and now I am 100% sold on those type of blade steels. I never realized how much I was missing out on by only going for stainless steels. But I live in Northern Cali, in the valley not anywhere close to the coast, and I've got the Cru Wear Para 3 and a PM2 and Lil Native in M4 and have had literally 0 corrosion issues. I oil them every couple of days or after I use them hard and that seems to do the trick. Keep up the great content, I'm stoked to see how fast this channel is growing.

@Xerber85 2 жыл бұрын

This is a video I wish was available when I got into knives. After owning and using around 50+ of them in the last four years, I couldn’t agree more with many of your points. Like many knife users, I started out with a focus on super steels. Now I rarely use knives like my S110V Spyderco’s because I hate to sharpen them and much rather use mid tier steels instead. Exception to this rule is when I’m gifting a knife to someone I know won’t sharpen it themselves. Then edge retention becomes a priority.

@PlatinumRatio Жыл бұрын

aren't you nice. I only gift my cheap knives.

@anonymousl5150 Жыл бұрын

How is CPM-10V compared to 154 cm?

@yumtig7444 9 ай бұрын

Like, 10× better. However, 154CM and 440C can be mirror polished, whereas CPM-10V sadly cannot. This may give the former steels much better corrosion resistance. Otherwise, 10V is better in every (!) one respect. Like, 10× better.

@oasisborja6885 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid. Thanks for making the time to make this. It helps me a lot. Now that i am starting to sharpen my own blades.

@mdean1288 5 ай бұрын

Lived 100' from the water in Florida for 5 years and carried a Benchmade 810 in M4 every day at work (Police) ever since. A little oil and care like once in a blue moon goes a long way 😂... I've even taken it on the jetski multiple times in saltwater and it's survived. Just a good rinse and she keeps on ticking. Actually had the knife 10 years now and it's a freaking beast. Cut off pieces from wrecked cars, saved a baby and a few dogs with the built in glass breaker over the years... M4 is definitely my favorite steel.

@Averitt13 2 жыл бұрын

S35vn, 14c28n, and 154cm have been my favorites for a long time. This video just made my day. I also have a Boker AK47 in Aus8 that has corrosion. Aus-8 sucks.

@TheCrimsonWolf 2 жыл бұрын

I just love it. All the info, the attitude, the stories, I loved hearing about it. I do not own any cool knives (a cool knife being an actual knife and not an imitation knife box cutter) at all, but very recently I've decided that I would love to make the jump and purchase something I would love showing off. Your experiences in this video have been SO informative, and helped me select the perfect knife for me. I unfortunately have Hyperhidrosis, which means that any blade I hold or touch that doesn't have much corrosion resistance will probably crap up since I SWEAT like an orangutan in the Sahara idk

@thestig007 2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree that for a user knife, S35VN is such a nice steel. Been carrying a Sebenza as a user knife and it's been just great. Curious to see how S45VN behaves.

@adamtrollinger61 2 жыл бұрын

Extremely well! Been carrying spy pm2 s45vn past half year.... just as good but better than s35vn.

@Phaminator525 2 жыл бұрын

@@adamtrollinger61 i found s45vn to be less tough than s35vn. Mine chipped while cutting a box and hitting a staple. but defitely holds an edge longer and sharpens even easier

@adamtrollinger61 2 жыл бұрын

@@Phaminator525dang, that sucks... toughness vs hardness, I should've been a little more specific. It's not tougher than the previous version, just harder.... I've seen better wear resistance in the latter tho.

@Phaminator525 2 жыл бұрын

@@adamtrollinger61 agreed, it's definitely a very good steel would say it's better than m390 because it's so easy to sharpen. But still prefer s35vn as a user steel.

@adamtrollinger61 2 жыл бұрын

@@Phaminator525 that's like maxamet chippy lol

@bullridermusic2054 2 жыл бұрын

Man was I so happy to see you loving 154cm and the other variants along with s35vn I got my Pro-Techs (TR-3 and SBR) with those Steels and I got to say, they do absolutely fall in with the best as far as functionality. I just can't believe how sharpe of an edge I get using my Wicked Edge System on my TR3 with 154CM, it's unbelievable, great video man!

@adrianenciso9277 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely with you on CPM-154 being as great as it is, along with AEB-L, RWL-34 and Damasteel. They take on and keep a razor sharp edge for what seems like forever, plus they’ve got tons of toughness to boot. There’s a reason why it’s the steel of choice for so many kitchen knife makers.

@michaell397 2 жыл бұрын

RWL-34 steel was developed by my mentor years ago. It is a fine, competent steel. A little hard to heat treat perfectly though. RWL-34= Robert (Bob) W. Loveless. He also introduced 154-CM to knifemaking, and flew to Japan and talked Hitachi into producing ATS-34, the equivalent of 154-cm when it became hard to get for a while. For the best edge retention on these steels, we found that a 600p grit then lightly stropped worked very well and gave it a very toothy edge. Even more can be accomplished by using a 300 t 400 grit on one side of the blade, and 600 to 1000 on the other an lightly stropped. It can more than double the edge holding of the edge. KnifeMaker

@pauldayton5285 2 жыл бұрын

MC , you have no idea how happy I was to hear you say "some people say VG-10 is very similar to 154cm". I'm one of those people ! When I first got into EDC knives I bought a Spyderco Endura 4 & a Benchmade 940 in 154cm. Long story short the VG-10 on the Endura 4 was sharper out the box , stayed sharper longer , was easier to sharpen & I could get a sharper finished edge than with the 154cm. Same results with the VG-10 that came on the S.O.G. X-Ray Vision. It was such an obvious difference to me to the point where I purposely stay away from knives made in 154cm.

@marshallmaia8130 2 жыл бұрын

So would you say the problem with 154cm is it’s not easy to sharpen? I have the same problem with d2 but I’m looking to purchase a knife in 154cm but it also comes in m390 for $60 more..

@Catboy-hr2qp Жыл бұрын

New knife maker here, glad to know the steel I chose as my practice steel which is AEB-L is actually decent, only reason I picked it, is because it's dirt cheap and easy to heat treat

@JC_1095 11 ай бұрын

I highly agree with your perspective on steels. Nice to see people who take a more balanced approach and don't prioritize retention only at the expense of everything else like decent toughness and sharpenability. And also aren't heavily biased towards the latest hype and still give good older steels some respect.

@MarkasTZM 2 жыл бұрын

The more knives and steels I learn about, the more I love my 1095 carbon steel Moras even in PNW. Also partial to D2.

@steelovan 2 жыл бұрын

Fun video. I'd definately rank some of them differently but I admit I generally prioritize corrosion res over edge retention. Great job MC!

@benjaminbradburn3718 2 жыл бұрын

Yes from Louisiana👏

@butcheredalive 2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I’m about 20 miles from the Atlantic

@jlock9085 2 жыл бұрын

@@slicksalamander72 Lc200n is prob top 3 steels for an EDC of all time. Super balanced.

@Zero_8347 2 жыл бұрын

I'm the opposite, I would take K390 for all my knives. Let them stain! Idc as long as they're freaky sharp

@michaell397 2 жыл бұрын

@@Zero_8347 Me as well. these people are the new lazy arse generation. Any effort is above them. Bless their pitiful little lazy arse hears. Everything has to be done for them. GRRRRRR!!!!

@richbroadway4059 2 жыл бұрын

Great video MC! So glad you explained the difference between D2 and CPM D2. Now I know why my Praetorian Scout is so expensive!!

@brinkee7674 Жыл бұрын

I have a bunch of VG10 and VGmax in my Japanese kitchen knives and it has stellar performance with being reasonable to sharpen. I also like M390 very much, holds an edge wicked awesome

@underskillednunderpaid Жыл бұрын

VGMax is wicked... super awesome food prep steel.

@_BLANK_BLANK 2 жыл бұрын

I think everyone should check out big brown bear. He does a good job of showing that just because something is commonly believed about a steel doesn't mean its necessarily true. Like so and so steel is too brittle, so and so steel is too hard to sharpen, so and so steel doesn't hold an edge. There are no hard and fast answers. A decently thinly ground s110v or maxamet knife will sharpen easier than a super thick m390 blade for example. Also a well heat treated knife with good edge stability will make it less likely to chip than a poorly heat treated knife. He also has a plethora of general sharpening, and steel knowledge in general.

@xdfanatic 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting ranking, the one thing that i didn't understand was why you ranked S30V 2 tiers below S35VN when most agree that there is little practical difference between those two steels. you probably have more experience with knives than I do, but i have several knives with both of those steels and don't really notice a significant difference between edge retention, corrosion resistance, toughness, or sharpening. Did you skip 420HC? so many of us are forced to use that steel at times because of leatherman tools.

@drscopeify 2 жыл бұрын

Good video! My backup knife is the SOG that has like 10 different names, Access Card, SOGAC79, money clip knife, whatever it has VG10 and even though it sits in my wallet I actually end up using it more than anything else I own and after so much abuse, cutting wires, boxes, poking things, as a screw driver, I even use it pretty often to carve numbers on wood so someone knows where it goes and yet I only end up putting it to the leather randomly. It probably cuts like crap now but its my totally unexpected workhorse hah.

@Kilt_Camera_and_Carry 2 жыл бұрын

S35VN is my favorite… M390/20CV comes next … Also love my VG10, AUS10 and 14C28N … Hard pass on 8CR unless I want to practice sharpening … Love the video!

@NighthawkEnforcer 2 жыл бұрын

Nice breakdown. I don’t agree with all your ratings, but like you said, my uses and needs are different than yours. My current favorite steel is k390, but m4 is a easily a close 2nd. My 1095 slippies are some of the best work knives I own. My GRE bullnose is indestructible.

@senthemink Жыл бұрын

As someone who absolutely loves sharpening, I prefer steels that can take and hold a fine edge. Stuff like 14c28n, Ar-Rpm9, Magnacut, S30v, and M390 seem to be the best for absolute laserbeam edges

@peen2804 5 ай бұрын

Whoah, you prefer steel that can hold an edge better? I cannot even believe it holy crap brother that is 2 wild n also so crazy i cannot even brother wow

@senthemink 5 ай бұрын

@@peen2804 I'm talking about the grit that those steels hold well. Lots of steels with better edge retention hold a more coarse edge but I prefer steels that work better with higher grit edges. Reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit lmfao

@b.t4604 27 күн бұрын

s90v is your best choice then although it's not as tough as a magnacut

@epicsasquatch452 2 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up from the guy who used a Kershaw leek for 8 years. Sandvik 14c28n is one of my favorite steels. And whenever I sharpen my leek the edge feels like shattered glass. I usually just take it out to open a box or something and that's it. No fidgeting at all, no funny business, I'm freakin scared of the thing. I once closed it and accidentally sliced off a callus on my thumb, gladly it wasn't enough to make me bleed, but I was in disbelief of what happened for a few seconds. Now that I work at sportsman's warehouse, people wonder why I usually buy kershaws instead of CRKTs and Benchmades. It's simple, the steel, the lifetime warranty, and I used one for years.

@doransponsel4813 3 ай бұрын

Same man, I lost my leek in 14c camping but I liked it so much I got another one. Got the copper handle with cpm 154 and have had it for a few years now, still my edc (although I do plan on buying a spiderco in maxamet soon)

@machtmer 2 жыл бұрын

In all practicality, from what I know and based upon EDC use as a pocket knife, relatively speaking all of these rankings make sense and confirm hypotheses. Can’t see anyone really having major issues with anything you’ve said, MC. Good video! 👍

@machtmer 2 жыл бұрын

I kinda feel like tungsten carbide is kinda like the 2020 version of ceramic some were messing with 20 years ago. Maybe that interpretation isn’t quite right, but I get a similar sense.

@timtitus2532 Жыл бұрын

I agree with almost every choice you made, some more than others. Some of these I have no experience with as the material exceeds my ability to purchase. Keep doing what you do, I appreciate your efforts and guidance in the world of folding knives.

@ktownsend92 2 жыл бұрын

I definitely enjoy you're content. This video is no exception. Please keep up the amazing content.

@georgepavlou2041 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!! Love your content. Where would u put CTS BD1N? Just got a spyderco manix for my dad with that steel.

@handsofstone1887 2 жыл бұрын

Love your perspective and damn sweet knife collection!!

@Mrsmith1082 Жыл бұрын

I've had my adamas cru-wear for 2 years now as my edc and only had to hit 5 or 10 times on each side about once a week on ceramic rod. My favorite underrated steel for hard use like chopping and axes would be 5160. Tough stuff!

@kenfaulkner5544 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting video. I walk away from it not sure if I learned anything personally. But you did a great job of explaining your opinion and experience so I was entertained! 👍

@hinklehymer6893 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't feel like an hour at all! Pretty much agree with you on your rankings. Love S35VN and might be my favorite all time steel along with 1095. Both are pretty easy to sharpen and take a fantastic edge. It warmed my heart to see you ranked M390 as "C" lol

@theknifeconnection9571 2 жыл бұрын

I’m not a fan of s35. I like s45 way bettwr

@GluttonforPunishment 2 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear that. I’m carrying a new Seb 31 in S45 but haven’t touched it up or used it enough to decide if I prefer it yet.

@mikepeterson2804 2 жыл бұрын

I like s35vn but I feel like s45vn takes a nastier edge...not an expert though by any means.

@hansross7417 2 жыл бұрын

@@theknifeconnection9571 can you explain why

@Phaminator525 2 жыл бұрын

@@mikepeterson2804 s45vn definitely takes a nicer finer edge. But I don't like it as much as s35vn because it isn't as tough.

@jamescollins224 2 жыл бұрын

Spyderco zdp-189 is excellent and sharpens super well, ive done 16 and 19% edges and it does great for both. Now i do handsharpen on dmt diamond stone so that could be different

@Deltaxk38 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video man, this was extremely helpful

@ModestGuitar 19 күн бұрын

I'm using my S110V PM2 daily for everything. I'm always out in the yard doing work with my garden and wood shop. It takes on everything. I've been told by everybody that it's going to chip or break, and the PM2 blade is so thin at the top that it's going to break off. I've had zero issues, been damn near abusing it for 2 years and it's still in perfect condition

@matthewlaidlaw1570 2 жыл бұрын

I recently bought a cold steel Ad-15 and I was overjoyed to hear it's well worth what I've heard of it's steel quality

@mattadler4710 2 жыл бұрын

all in all, I agree with a lot of what you said here. I'm absolutely nuts about S35VN too. I think I like AUS10A a bit more than you do, and I think I hate AUS8 a little less, but mostly, Ive had a lot of the same experiences with these steels. Nice job on the video man.

@GymmyJosh 5 ай бұрын

We could have all gotten through this much quicker if he didn’t speculate on how much people disagree with him

@nikolaydimitrov-nikodimi 3 ай бұрын

Refreshing to see a video of knive enthusiast that actually uses (and therefore sharpens) his knives. Yes, sharpening is actually one of the most important qualities of an EDC steel. Exactly right - top 3 steels for EDC folders are: 154CM/CPM-154 ; CPM-S30V; CPM-S35VN.

@geomardomingo1672 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this video. Another reference video the internet didnt ask for… or deserve. Merry Christmas!

@GluttonforPunishment 2 жыл бұрын

CPM-154 and 154CM being “stupidly underrated” is spot on. They straight up perform even to this day. They just aren’t the latest and greatest.

@jonathanoehlert5672 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear this. I have a 154CM that can't hold an edge. So, it must be a bad heat treat.

@GluttonforPunishment 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanoehlert5672 That's likely. The best 154CM I've used has been from Emerson Knives, though a lot of people consider them out of their price range for what you get for the money.

@daveyboy6985 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanoehlert5672 definitely must be a bad heat treat. 154cm should have good edge retention.

@grantwitt4962 2 жыл бұрын

I just put this on while I was sharpening my 20cv bugout. Entertaining to here you rant lol. Helps pass the time.

@thanassisandrinopoulos5449 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Can you please tell me which make/model the knife made from Damasteel you demonstrated is?

@GLOCKsh00ter24 2 жыл бұрын

I cut up a ton of boxes with my Slim in M398. After I was done it didn't seem like I cut anything. Still shaving sharp. I'm sure the geometry of the Slim helped quite a bit.

@spooldup4431 Жыл бұрын

Have an ol Kershaw with 14c28n... Love it. Carried for a decade, still looks good and really holds an edge

@matthewp2209 8 ай бұрын

U just destroyed my enthusiasm waiting for my first XM-18 Slicer in M390.

@mrj3711 11 күн бұрын

Almost a year later I bet you're still happy with your knife

@DB.KOOPER 10 ай бұрын

I live in the PNW and spend a considerable amount of time each year in the backcountry using a knife whether it be rafting or hunting or just camping... my most used knives are 1095 (Tops Brakimo and an ESEE 4HM). IF you take care of knives "corrosion resistance" is really a non-issue and surface rust can be easily cleaned up.

@zyrelcampo2402 Жыл бұрын

I totally and absolutely agree with your assessment! Wouldn't change anything!

@briannorthcott8490 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Brother. One of my favorites so far

@jonathanbeaumont0 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Could you make a video showing your process stopping steels back to life?

@SpankyK 2 жыл бұрын

This is all conjecture and personal preference. I can understand every point you bring up MC, my opinions differ but my needs differ. Great video my man, keep up the great content. 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻

@slick3129 2 жыл бұрын

I use D2 exclusively for working knives; I can beat the hell out of it and touch it up later. It's also getting to a point that D2 is very affordable so there are more price points. I'm not knocking any other steel, just stating a preference for a blade I'm not afraid to use and abuse.

@voltsoftruthBSbuster Жыл бұрын

If you like D2, look in DC53 its a modified version of D2, basically D2 on steroids. Typically A2 is considered tougher than D2 but DC53 is as tough as A2 if not slightly tougher. Lots of large blades are made from it

@slick3129 Жыл бұрын

@@voltsoftruthBSbuster Thanks, I had never heard of it. I like D2 for my everyday work knives. it's very good, cheap, and sharpens easily.

@bradleychampagne9266 2 жыл бұрын

Love the list. Agree with most parts. As you say what you need in a steel depends on where you are and i need corrosion resistance in south louisiana but otherwise agree. Thanks for the great content!

@wojciechk50 2 жыл бұрын

Hello. Does anybody know anything about DC 53 steel ? I've been asking everywhere and didn't get much info. I am especially curious about its resistance to corrosion. It's an upgrade of D2 so it should be a bit less corrosive but I don't know.

@AVH8TOR 11 ай бұрын

The maxamet knife you got from your wife back in the day. It was the one that got me into maxamet. Ended up getting the same one with the gray g10. Love it. Oh, and I sharpened mine once in two ish years. I used a super fine diamond plate 1200, with a .5 µm diamond strop. Cuts finer than frog hair.

@spyhunter6411 2 жыл бұрын

I pretty much like how you rate steel. Best to use and maintain, beats out ultimate edge retention for me too. I'd probably swap some based off corrosion resistance, but I live by the water.

@jasonchatham4170 2 жыл бұрын

Just picked up a guardian tactical OTF in ElMax steel. Opinions?

@janjimpson240 2 жыл бұрын

I've noticed that 3V is pretty stainless. I have a bradford guardian 3 and 4 with uncoated 3V. The guardian 4 has lived in a leather sheath and I've had them for about a year, no blemishes or hints of oxidation. Noted, I don't live in a humid area (did carry the g3 for two months in midland Texas which gets very humid), and they're like a polished stonewash, but there's no signs of patina. Also very easy to sharpen and holds its edge fairly well

@treypayne2717 2 жыл бұрын

Plus it's much tougher than 1095 and 1095 is a beast

@aznelite325 2 жыл бұрын

I have to agree with you, my 3V has been surprisingly decent at corrosion resistance for not being stainless. Definitely a step above the standard carbon steels and even Cruwear in that regard.

@HugeCoffeeAddict 2 жыл бұрын

What about 20CV? I just ordered the kershaw link in it, and was hoping to see it in the list. Hope I didn't just space out if you did cover it lol edit: nvm remembered 20cv is supposed to mirror m390

@danthecarman3424 Жыл бұрын

Just wondering if price was a consideration in this vid because I’m trying to decide between a buck 120 with 420hc or if I should just step up to s35vn version for $150 more so wondering if you had considered the price difference between steels

@DecayingReality 2 жыл бұрын

M390>cpm-154>M4 my top 3 steels of all time. It’s all about heat treatment anyway. Vg10 laminated is insane...if you cut a lot of carpet m390 is the only blade that last all day for me.

@jeffhicks8428 Жыл бұрын

zdp holds an edge like 10v and sharpens like vg10. It's an amazing user steel for things like high end high performance kitchen knives especially but edc also. It's stainless enough for most things. It's tough enough for most things, but nowhere near something you'd use for a machete.

@briank.7937 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Love hearing other opinions. I agree with your mid grade 154cm/14c28n love. Also, having trouble finding the cubist blade works variant, link?

@metal_complex 2 жыл бұрын

Qvist* Variant 😉 Google that and it should bring up their website. I can't post links here.

@briank.7937 2 жыл бұрын

@@metal_complex thank you!

@Carl6801force Жыл бұрын

I just took my Benchmade 154cm Autostryker to my new Work Sharp Precision Elite and it made that thing shine like a mirror, scary sharp. 👏

@spyhunter6411 2 жыл бұрын

I'm like 8 minutes in and you ranked s35vn and s30v over s90v. Thank you! People love to prioritize these super edge steels amd I just hate them. Yeah they're great while they're sharp, but they suck so much to ReSharper I half feel like binning them.

@michaell397 2 жыл бұрын

Odd. I can re-sharpen a s90v blade in under 5 minutes. And this includes getting out my stones and cleaning and putting them away. Proper stones for the proper steels people! Sometimes it takes longer. Why? because I enjoy it and find it relaxing. But then again, I use knives for real cutting. Not just cardboard and twine. What ever the hell twine is. (Real twine was what the postal office used to use. It is a very thin, grassy cord. No one really uses it any longer. I haven't seen real twine in years). Knife Maker

@jameshealy4594 2 жыл бұрын

OMG how did I miss this! MC suggests all 420J knives be put on an island and nuked, all I can think is "420J is Japanese steel". 😅😂

@havoc1zero 2 жыл бұрын

I use thin ground Japanese carbon steel knives for my food prep. But I cook regularly and love to maintain my kitchen knives. To me, there’s no competition when it comes to long, hard use kitchen stuff.

@ikemanreed 3 ай бұрын

I just bought a used sandrin Torino carbon fiber and it had tiny chips in the blade and was filled with mud and I sharpened it for like an hour or two with the worksharp precision adjust sharpener (120$) and I got it from super dull to insane level sharpness and I was able to get rid of both chips. Love the knife so much I'm cleaning it now and Polishing. I might polish the blade to mirror finish

@appalachiangunman9589 2 жыл бұрын

In my experience S35VN seems to be harder to sharpen than S30V. My S35VN knives are a Chris Reeve Pacific fixed blade and a ZT 0450. S30V is Spyderco PM2 and Para 3, and a Benchmade 945 “mini Osborne”.

@dustindye1044 2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad this video exist, it makes me feel normal for my love of 154 and 14c28n in a daily pocket use. They take stupid sharp edges without hours of madness on a stone. Plus chainsaws and axes are more effective at chopping down trees, bricks are better breaking windows, an actual screwdriver works better than the spine of my knife, and i can buy a “box-cutter” and dozen razor blades for 20 bucks if the cardboard robots take over. But that unexpected moment when I get a chance to cut the tape on a package, shave my own arm hair, or even cut a piece of thread off my clothing. those are priceless moments that make me a proud knife nerd.

@jordanstevens3 5 ай бұрын

Just got a pm2 in s110v, I appreciate hearing your experience with it

@jjabberjaw8822 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate how you prioritize balance over just edge retention. I'll probably end up prioritizing corrosion resistance a bit more than you because i live in Massachusetts and our weather is weird. Other than that, ill probably use your general set of priorities.

@davidbeck1696 Жыл бұрын

What was the model sypderco knife you showed. The white m4 blade please.

@brianw8243 2 жыл бұрын

Let’s see if this helps after our long debate about the D2 and CPM-D2 and so on from last nights live! Lol thanks MC!

@jamesgentry6864 2 жыл бұрын

" knives are expensive, I'm not made of money" as he slides his damacore custom and rockstead out of the way! 🤣 I love it!!

@CRUAlucard 2 жыл бұрын

I use chosera stones to sharpen n all those steels you mentioned that are hard to sharpen for me at least not hard n it's pretty fast. Can you mention on what system is it hard to sharpen? I'm genuinely curious.

@kevinfitz3721 2 жыл бұрын

Do you know anymore about the sapphire dlc? That seems really neat but I can't find any info on blue dlc everything is black dlc

@kraftzion Жыл бұрын

Lol "edge retention is not the end all be all" just got my subscription. Couldn't agree more. The only disagreement I have is d2, dont like it. But I do live on the coast of Florida.

@fj400007 4 ай бұрын

Anybody knows what is used for Scandi carbon steel ?... will rust easier but love how easy it is to sharpen.

@schneir5 Жыл бұрын

26:20 That new Spyderco Yojimbo 2 in CPM Cru Wear comes out in a couple days. Are you going to get one?

@aberdeenblades 2 жыл бұрын

Fun video - can’t wait to see what types of steels are yet to come, that we haven’t even seen yet 👍

@CNYKnifeNerd 2 жыл бұрын

Vancron is the closest current example of what future knife steel is going to be.

@brutusgallicus3568 2 жыл бұрын

My experience with VG-10 steel has been mixed. I had a Spyderco that was hard to get a really good edge on, but would lose that edge quickly. I actually just left the knife at the range so I wouldn't have to see it again. On the other hand the VG-10 in Fallkniven knives has been superb, extremely sharp and easy to touch up. It's hard to beat an an S-1 in laminated VG-10 for a field knife.

@TheScottyp1 2 жыл бұрын

aus 10 puts vg10 to shame. vg 10 is only good for chefs knives imo. verry thin sharp edges maintained daily

@gmoney5947 2 жыл бұрын

🤣😂 I guess blade design and heat treatment play a larger factor than the blade steel? Or at least this is the case for the spyderco.

@jimmycricket7946 Жыл бұрын

Don't like vg10 at all I'd rather have a well done AUS10 it's much tougher too. I've always really liked m4 but after using Rex45 @67 HRC it easily became my new favorite steel.

@jodyrowe8166 Жыл бұрын

How do you feel about CPM cruwear ?? U feel CPM vs regular cruwear is like the 154 situation or important like the d2??

@Make-Asylums-Great-Again 2 жыл бұрын

I got a Para 2 in S45VN it’s all murdered out factory and I love it.

@Snarlacc 4 ай бұрын

What steel does take the finest edge in your experience? So far, my sharpest knives are all D2, then come the 12C27, SK5 and 1084. They outshave anything else I have. I like D2 far more than I like S90V because S90V is such a chore to sharpen.

@barkingspider2007 2 жыл бұрын

Spyderco does a great job with ZDP189 S class in my opinion. Thanks for the video 😎👍

@eduardorivera4100 2 жыл бұрын

For the performance and ease of sharpening I would have gave S30 an A

@matthubert5798 2 жыл бұрын

Spyderco is coming out with a salt native 5 in Magnacut. I have a pre-order Bushmaster from DLT I’m eagerly awaiting. Thanks .

@snapdiscgolf 2 жыл бұрын

ZDP-189 on the dragonfly has crazy edge retention. I cut boxes with it all day, every day, and then strop it at night to keep it shaving sharp.

@michaell397 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! ;

@bigflopsofuq 2 жыл бұрын

While I appreciate your content and rankings I feel I need to correct one misconception you have. 3v is both tougher and has better edge retention than 1095 by a lot. Metallurgically 3v's edge retention is between 154cm and S30v at 60Rc, while it's toughness is roughly 30% higher than 1095. I agree with your ranking for 1095, and while I disagree with your ranking for 3v, I did want to correct your misconception about 3v. 3v is the toughest, of the 2. I'm looking forward to a Magnacut 5" fixed blade for my EDC!

@Omniseed 2 жыл бұрын

And that's why I wanted the longest, choppiest, most radical Cold Steel Warcraft Tanto, because it's probably the least expensive way to get that much absolutely bitchin' 3V in a format that it really excels at. The other great use for it would be in very thin and thinly ground blades, taking advantage of the excellent toughness to buff the adequate but unimpressive edge retention through the magic of geometry in ways that a more brittle steel wouldn't allow. I've got a 4V Feist and a Vanadis 4E Guardian 3 Sheepsfoot, and they're really awesome. I don't see those steels in folders very often, but they're neat.

@bigflopsofuq 2 жыл бұрын

@@Omniseed I have the Guardian 4 in 3v with the 3d scales as my current fixed blade and run a PM2 in M390, I find that gives me an optimal balance. I pair those with a Charge+ Ti with the S30V to round out the tools of my EDC. My hope is that Magnacut will test out and replace both the Guardians 3v and the PM2s M390 with the 1 steel.

@Omniseed 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigflopsofuq that sounds super practical! The Cold Steel was more of a whimsical buy, I just convinced myself that it was best to literal go big or go home on it. What's another $60-$90 over the cost of the 5.5" version when I found it so discounted? Plus the shorter one competes unfavorably (except on raw sturdiness) to basically any of my reasonable fixed blades. Cold Steel has done pretty well when they do practical knives, but I like their flagship silly/functional stuff

@bigflopsofuq 2 жыл бұрын

@@Omniseed I've been contemplating the 12" 3V Gurkha Kukuri from Coldsteel to take the place of my old 14" Tramontina Bolo. But $620.00 for the 3V kukuri vs $16.00 for the 5160 Bolo machete makes it a hard sell. Especially considering that I have spent almost $600 on my Gransfors axes. I wish the 3V Kukuri had been out 3 years ago...

@aznelite325 2 жыл бұрын

I started scrolling the comments to see if someone had already said this lol. I absolutely love 3V on my fixed blades (many of which are Bark Rivers), but I probably wouldn’t want/need it on a folder.

@DeltaBadeMaker Жыл бұрын

I am a maker and work mainly in 52100 whiich is a great steel. I made myself and a couple other knives in cpm d2. I really have liked using it. A big part of the cost however which is not thought of is grinding difficult. I will burn through 2x to 3x more abrasives on the d2 than with others, easily spending 15 ti 20 bucks on abrasives just to grind a really small knife. Sharpening is oddly not much more difficult just because of how thin I grind my knives. They are half to a third the thickness at edge compared to factory knives. For this reason I also gravitate to more tough steels that allow the thin-ness without chipping. I can not wait to try cpm m4. I also agree that stainless is overdone somewhat. I live in arkansas where it feels like a wet blanket outside all the time. WIth a good finish such as stone wash, acid etch, or even fine satin with wax just does not rust very easy. I have so much I could say more but really you did a good job in the video. Mr Thomas is awesome by the way,, he has helped me a lot with his website make my knives better! Qvist blades is another great guy, he is super nice and actually is the person that designed my logo!

@demonut69 2 жыл бұрын

Mr Complex have you ever talked about blade coatings I'd love for someone to do that, like durability, lubricity, and ease of cleaning. stuff like that

@olafkliemt1145 2 жыл бұрын

the 8Cr13MoV by Sanrenmu (where many western knives are made) is actually pretty good. it's about the heat treatment i guess. same goes for their 12C27 and 14C28N Sandviks.

@GLOCKsh00ter24 2 жыл бұрын

How has the S90V held up on your 3/4 AR? That was the only reason I didn't buy one when they were around awhile back. Seems like a chippy steel on a hard use knife like that just doesn't fit.