By clicking my link www.piavpn.com/HighYield get 83% discount on Private Internet Access! That's just $2.03 a month, and also get 4 extra months completely for free! Edit: the GPU tile info might be wrong. Apparently there is/was a 192EU tile produced in TSMCs N3B, but the smaller tiles are N5. Let's see if we will get Meteor Lake SKUs with the large 3nm GPU tile or not.

I just want to note that Meteor Lake is not Intel’s first chiplet design. It’s basically Lakefield 2.0 with high-performance designs. Sapphire Rapids is also selling today with 2 different tiles, that combine in a 4 tile design. That’s 2020, and 2022 technology respectively. As for why the IO die may exist and not be directly integrated in the SOC tile, is probably for reusability. Mobile and desktop processors have different IO requirements, so by separating it from the SOC tile Intel doesn’t have to design another SOC tile. It’s cheaper to design a smaller and simpler processor than modify a more complex processor. As for why Intel is using separate IO tiles, probably for power since not having elements is more efficient than power-gating them.

It'll be interesting to see if they manage to pull it off on time and at scale.

Energy efficiency improvements are very useful for desktop chips, because reaching 350W is unacceptable for a GPU, let alone a CPU

The additional CPU cores in the SOC tile are interesting, not just for energy efficiency reasons, but because it could allow some programming of SOC behaviour - i.e. implementing QoS or using them as additional accelerators that transparantly handle memory compression or encryption.

Its a good day whenever a new High Yield video is out. I love learning new stuff with you! I really hope Intel execute their chiplet strategy properly and see some more competition, especially in the high core count space where AMD are basically unrivaled at the moment.

I agree heavily, everything was a efficiency choice because performance is great at the moment and no need for that added complexity just yet. My eyes are still on meteor lake regardless of canceled desktops parts, the architecture has been a long time coming and it’s with great privilege to see it in action soon. I think the L4 is going to be a great addition, especially when arrow lake arrives.

I'm finally at a point when I can confidently say that I feel equally as indifferent about either of the two companies. Let's go competition

I never expected such a deep dive analysis from you! Even MLID never provided anything ike that, and he calls himself an analyst! you're a true analyst here

Arrow Lake has a lot of interesting potential

The GPU tile is TSMC N5. There were some Taiwanese media spreading the news that Intel somehow would be the 2nd customer after Apple to use N3 2 years ago. Then everyone thought the GPU would be N3

Quite interesting analysis. Intel could very well stop the bleeding in the laptop market with this IF it comes out on time. That's been the big question with Intel over the past four or five years: Will they get it done in time?

Previous engineers: lets not put south and north bridges under same heatsink as the cpu, that will be to hot. Intel: lets integrate north bridge Amd: lets make whole additional I/O die Intel: I will then gather it all together with as small distance between them as possible

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AMD doesn't use PCIe for chiplet to chiplet comms. It's a specialized infinity fabric. It may be similar to how PCIe works, but it's not connecting chiplets via the same PCIe bus that goes out to the MB. It's independent.

This seems like a fascinating change not only for laptops but also potentially for the new portable handheld segment

This might be your best video yet. GJ high yield!

You ideas make SO MUCH SENSE!!! I think you hit the nail on the head!!!

if Intel can finally change their stance on motherboard longevity (probably won t because of their relation with their partners) I will gladly go check them, but right now with AMD you can just drop an X3d on a old motherboard and get like twice the perf that you got at the start even with the same amount of core

Thanks! Very informative, well explained!

Great video. It explained the technical details nicely, very few channels do this and just talk about buzz words.

The first point you talk about, particularly improvements within the cores are better called microarchitectural changes, architectural changes are generally at a higher level and encompass things such as AMDs Infinity Fabric and partitioned L3, or Intel's evolution from linear buses in the first 3 gens of cores to the mesh topologies they use on higher core count parts today. Architectural design also encompases ISAs and instruction types like SIMD, whereas microarchitecture involves *how* those instructions are implemented in the core.

Meteor Lake appears to be incredibly impressive. I can understand why they're opting for a name change after such a long period of time. However, it seems to be quite costly and complex, which may lead to even more delays. Considering it will be competing against Zen5, it remains uncertain whether this will be Intel's best moment.

love the breakdown! As we have seen in SPR, complexity isnt conducive to a timely roll out. Hopefully they have got things figured out now and can produce at scale. Will be interesting to see the power and performance available!

Your vids are so informative!

Excellent Video. Very interesting. Thank you an regards from Germany.

I'm also excited about how fast Intel is transitioning from FinFet transistors to Gate All Around transistors.

This video got me excited, this will probably be better than any presentation Intel will give form their PR team. subscribed!

Meteor lake Sounds promising but like the i7 G design with Vega on the same chip what will be the cost of production. I’m worried intel has made a complex chip to compete with Amd/apples monolithic small mobile chip.

Meteor Lake sounds great if they deliver on these claims. May be my next laptop.

Are there software strategy (videos) that aligns to the silicon strategies of these chip competitors?

Really hope Intel come back strong, we will all benefit from good competition between AMD and Intel

So excited for all this, especially arrow lake, which might be my next upgrade. I wonder if they have considered multiple cpu tiles for scaling to more cores on desktop. And what about server/workstation? Are they going tiled there too?

What a time to be alive

Seriously an underrated channel....great videos!!

Probably E-LP cores are on the SoC so it has a low power mode in which you can disable the other cores, and thus you don't need to spend energy to maintain that part of the interconnect until you decide to wake it up.

Intel's own "glued together" CPU architecture.

Very cool analysis and an excellent channel, thx! Meteor Lake is clear improvement for Intel especially with the 3D packaging and possibility of even including cache in the active interposer. Also a capability of turning off tiles which aren't needed in certain cases while keeping SOC with the 2x E-cores active is also something very cool to see in action. Intel is clearly looking forward by improving its 3D stacking/chip packaging technology and not just chasing lowest possible nm. I still wonder how Meteor lake SoC would perform per watt in comparison to the Apple's M3 if it would be completely made of the latest 3nm tiles.

Sad to see the efficiency wins didn't pan out. Hopefully LNL will be different.

Wow, great job! Its crazy to think Intel not even using their own fabs for their products these days.....

great video. Thanks.

Great channel

Problem is I heard Meteor Lake is only for mobile, not desktop. Also, all that 3d stacking stuff is gonna cost a fortune. So Meteor Lake is probably meant to be premium chips for premium laptops only. For desktop Intel will release a refresh of Raptor Lake later this year, and I believe they're gonna release Arrow Lake later next year or early 2025

what a time to be an enthusiast...Intel vs AMD has never been so exciting, but Arrow Lake is even more exciting due to MLID

This is a quite excellent rumor analysis. I'm excited to try out MTL systems, honestly, after all these power-hungry years. One note: 16:42, the thread counts don't match up. 16C: 6P + 8E + 2LE. But then, SMT is only on Redwood, no?

Another great video!

The cache in the base tile could yield some nice performance gains, esp. in gaming. When Broadwell was released with 128 MiB of eDRAM, it performed better than the following Skylake CPUs that didn't have L4 cache. Having a ton of data cached may also help with masking the ever increasing memory latency from new generations of throughput orientated RAM. I bet 0,01€ that it'll be a victim cache.

This was a very interesting clip, thank you. In my opinion, Intel returned to inovation with gen12, which will be stepped up by the tile technology. Having big+small cores was quite a big step ahead, but I cannot wait to see the first laptop chips of gen14. My gen12 laptop will be here for a few more years, but the future looks great.

I can’t believe this channel doesn’t have more subs. You make amazing content. Thank you

I really hope it ends up coming out for back-to-school like Moore's Law is Dead says he thinks it'll be, cuz i need a new laptop and holy crap meteorlake lookin nice

I/O doesn't scale with process node, as well as many other parts, as long as there is no performance penalty in moving elements off x86 core to auxiliary elements then it's worth doing it

Wasn't it already stated that Meteor Lake will omit models with 8 P-cores on desktop?

Most times, analog I/O and Serdes designs on leading edge nodes gets done later thanks to the complexity of a new node - and there may not be any area savings at all thanks to having to support the same operating voltage for external communication protocols. Therefore, selecting the I/O tile such that it contains well proven I/O makes sense from an engineering time perspective

I don’t think there is a chance that Adamantine is coming to Meteor Lake. All rumors are pointing towards Adamantine still being at least a year or two away.

Do keeperlake or seeperlake, I know friends from Chennai, they always suggest me these names , their relatives work for intel and they wish the projects to be named after them. Very talented individuals from top institutions , got several awards while being employed

coming from a z170 system with a overclocked i7 7700k i now using a z690 system with a i5 12600kf@5p/4eGHz. i like the Adler Lake chip very much. as i saw the weird behavior in taskmanager with parking cores and with that literally the Thread Director switching Hyper Threading on and off for the first time i had to Google it because all my other chips never did anything like that. and with a fresh installation of W11(23H2) the whole thing runs very nice. i think Meteor Lake and everything what follows will be amazing.

9:10 ok, you blew my mind. How are they mixing and matching different foundries? Wtf? And nodes? OK.... Intel is ready to play baby. Let's go.

Im curious how they will deal with heat on such a dense chip not just horizontally but also vertically.

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very interesting, I want Intel to succeed so much and be back in the game. Because there are still much more Intel laptops available but their CPUs are so bad compared to AMD APUs, Meteor Lake i3 in $400 laptop that has iGPU equal to 1650 would be such needed revolution

Could you explain what the Meteor Lake chip design will mean to an average user who isn't that tech savvy? Will there be newer functions facilitated by this design?

well, i am listening, as always i was stuck on the idea of using Intel as it was fastest I switched to AMD, 7600 ryzen 5 and a 6800 NON-XT this is a powerhouse, I will compare it to this! GL!!

if anyone knows the true reason (not official public statement) that each quad E-core tile has shared L2, I would like to know. Recall that in Conroe (65nm) and Penryn (45nm), 2 cores shared L2, but Nehalem client, each of four cores had dedicated L2. The reason stated then was that: two cores sharing L2 was not excessively complicated or burdensome (technically and in terms of latency), 4 cores with shared L2 would have been. What has changed? One advantage of tiles is the ability to mix processes. The SoC is on a back process (22/16) because driving off chip signals involves buffering up the current (from 20nm signals at the lowest level on die to 0.1mm (100um or 100,000nm) bumps off chip. there is only limited scaling in trying to build SoC on a newer process while the older process is much cheaper?

Love your video ❤

Shud be around arc a380 for the igpu Lower than that is considered failure to catch-up considering AMD rdna4 atleast with radeon880M will target 3050/1660super

Thank you for this Video. Now I understand why the latency is there for AMD due to the parasitic capacitance that has to do with the silicon substrate. With foveros it somewhat avoids all the fun stuff since it is metal and much shorter paths. Less chance of noise, thank you for the images of the Zen2 pathways it almost looks like art 😊

My long story short: *** Intel is cpu core, you are interconnect, while viewers(me) are "cache" 😅 Large heaps of customers can make things faster. ??? ----------------??? Not sure if Meteor lake would come out at whole lineup or just high end products of 14th gen and rest would be just rebranded or cut physically Raptor lake.??? If it gets just into laptop s, that would be little bit dissapointment for desktop hardcore fans! It's nice to have translator, mediator for chip companies designs, which are sophisticated but very interesting. That deep sleep another level of energy efficiency mode over current one could be interesting for desktop PCs too. -> Having PC at never turn off would probably got rid off my already low 6s boot to Windows time. Nothing needed, but it would be logical next step.

The return of the north and south bridge 😱

Energy efficiency is one thing. But... what if Intels Battlemage gets integrated into the CPU! Sure this version may not be efficient nor small. But this chip may overthrow NVIDIA's monopoly!

Excellent analysis! Thank you for this video. I like what Intel is doing, however I can still appreciate the simplicity in how AMD scales their chiplets, but Intel's approach will have benefits in the long run and by then I'd imagine AMD will simply copy Intel like they've historically done.

I can't wait to see a full Intel gaming PC meteor lake with an arc...going to be interesting.

I really hope so. We need Intel to come back and Smack AMD around a bit. More Competition is great for the Market. Unlike the GPU market.

I am wondering about the lifespan of non monolithic Designs. Considering that those xeons from 2010 where running heavy load nonstop for like 5 to 10 years and are still running fine today.

I wonder what Intels logic behind the 2 extra efficient cores in a different tile is. Google/Amazon voice commands still being handled whilst the laptop is in sleep mode like some laptops can already do but at even lower power usage? Or perhaps they're betting big on it and just disabling the entire CPU tile whenever the load is low enough and let those 2 cores handle things (probably enough power still for 99% of people for the majority of the time). Then the question becomes if they can move data around fast enough to handle tasks over to the CPU block when the power is needed. That's also a surprising amount of TSMC produced die-space. They must have bad yields themselves but either the performance is great or they don't want an external company handling that intellectual property.

Zen1 threadripper was the start of AMD chiplets, not zen2 ...

Can Meteor Lake come in the socket 1700!? Dont feel like buying a new motherboard....

Going through reviews and noticing that people don't acknowledge the fact that this chip is done by multiple assembling lines in multiple nodes.

Absolutely agree that Intel finally is on the right path to contend or pass AMD. In just a few years, Intel has managed / planned some big innovations in chip design. The 12th, 14th and 15th are major milestones. I especially like the idea of having 2 LPE cores in SOC tile in the MTL, that's what Intel and AMD should have done for a long time. The power savings will benefit a vast swath of laptop users. Cannot wait to get hold a 14th-gen laptop.

ML sounds expensive with all the packaging complexity to produce in large volume, especially for mid to lower skus (likely why its skipping desktop and there's no 8+x core options). It also looks like a big boon for TSMC given they provide most of the tile silicon. How does this keep Intel's fabs full? It would have been good to compare ML to AMDs Strix also, which it will more directly compete against given likely release timing. Is it possible to do a video comparing Intel 3D stacking vs. what TSMC does for MI300? AMD seems to be saving the most expensive designs/packaging for the highest end product (huge accelerator) where pricing can more than cover the costs with huge margins.

good report thank you. mb

This concept may have big success in the mobile market.

With CPU cores in the SOC die, I would guess that we will see low end chips (Atom, Celeron, whatever) that have only the SOC (and maybe GPU) dies.

It does look like they are going for the efficiency price point. AMD seems to be sticking with Lowe manufacturing cost and performance in gaming. I doubt they want to stay that way, but they prob know they can't come out the door with chiplets AND beat AMD in performance. They will prob only get a little more performance than their current gen if any, but if they can show a large efficiency jump, then it may be palatable to the market. The they can.work on getting performance. However, given what AMDs new/projected APUs are showing I have a problem we have only been seeing "prototypes" up til now(especially RDNA3). I am hopeful they will ride the momentum they already have and keep making an excellent product. Intel is going after an open market, though, as there are many smaller low power/batt powered devices that do not require good graphic capabilities and prefer low power usage while being active. Going to be weird for reviewers and the comparisons will be getting more "apples to oranges". Anyway, thanks for the great update! I was not even aware of this. I knew I could count on you to keep me informed!!

*PLEEEEAASE* Intel compete with AMD Ryzen APU integrated graphics and give us laptop and desktop CPUs with GTX 1060 and 1080-class "ARC Xe" iGPUs 🙏🙏

Are they gonna go into RiscV?

Love your channel. As for Meteorlate apu from Intel Congratulations, Intel, 8 months late, but now you have a comparable apu to AMDs7000 series apus. Too bad hawk point will decimate your late to market meteorlate apu

Hey, do you have a german channel, too? :) thanks for the videos!

The Empire Strikes Back.

Wow, this is very impressive chip! Intel Meteor Lake will wipe the floor with everything that is out there right now! We have a clear winner here!

I seem to remember Intel's first chiplet based product, it was called Pentium II.

*TSMC: powers the world, artificially*

Use fiber instead of copper for cpu layers will increase bandwidth and much more efficient

Nice.

All those energy improvements are nice, but the main issue piwer consumption is P cores boosting up to 5GHz@1.3V every time there is some background activity and if scheduler moves those task across all cores fast enough then ALL cores will be idling at 5GHz and 1.3V. What they need to do is come up with a plan to prevent this while still keeping boost clocks for tasks that really matter. About standby power consumption: The solution is so easy: Get rid of that stupid "connected standby" on laptops. Nobody needs this stuff on a device that you do not carry in your pocket. What we had 10 years ago was perfectly fine.

How does a chiplet design help intel when the interposer needs to be so large?

(curb your enthusiasm theme plays)

I like the idea about why they have the IO and the tiles so separated. This sounds like the type of innovation Intel would go for. Tangible usage for everyday consumer. Especially on laptop.

It has already been confirmed by Intel that Meteor Lake iGPU will use TSMC 5nm process. Not 3nm.

I really hope this will be all true, as intel needs a kick for a while, they were selling 2018 product for 5 years now. I hope tech to turn off "chiplet/tiles" when on low load, will be shared soltion for all players on market, as we could halve idle power usage for everyone, and that is worth chasing.

It may not be monolithic but its still a lot of silicon