Metroid Prime Remastered (Zero Punctuation)

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@theescapist
@theescapist Жыл бұрын
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@Gamer3427
@Gamer3427 Жыл бұрын
I have to say, watching the RE4 review was exactly what I was expecting/afraid of from the preview content I saw for the game.
@Mene0
@Mene0 Жыл бұрын
I remember playing this game for the first time and the steam blowing up in your face and the visor getting foggy blowing my mind. Same with the rain falling on the visor etc. They nailed so many things that even today some games don't do
@travisc7722
@travisc7722 Жыл бұрын
Yeah agreed. Even by today's standards it's still impressive in certain areas
@Kite403
@Kite403 Жыл бұрын
I swear there were a few times when I could actually see Samus' face reflected in the visor. Really good visual designs
@BobisOnlyBob
@BobisOnlyBob Жыл бұрын
@@Kite403 Any bright flash close enough, such as electric attacks or even your own charge beam can cause the inner visor reflection. It still catches out people playing it for the first time today, like, whoa, that's a thing you can do with visuals in first person? And like, it's a very simple effect, but it's a very good one.
@FortressWolf97
@FortressWolf97 Жыл бұрын
I can't remember, did the original Metroid Prime have adaptive lighting where it simulates what happens when your eyes are exposed to sudden changes in lighting before they adjust? I don't think did in the original, but it's in the remastered.
@Horvath_Gabor
@Horvath_Gabor Жыл бұрын
The only other game I remember doing helmets/visors justice that way was Republic Commando. I really liked how it felt like your UI was an actual, in-universe HUD, and while I kind of understand why not many games do it (the edges of the helmet covering up parts of the screen does limit FOV, something certain FPS players seem to be rabid about), but it was still such a nice, immersive touch, and I remember Metroid Prime specifically being named as the inspiration.
@ImPyroChad
@ImPyroChad Жыл бұрын
I actually had my younger brother play this game himself and I was surprised to hear him say he didn't mind the lack of a fast travel because "It helped him feel like he was actually running through a real living world" as he put it
@Cool_Calm_Cam
@Cool_Calm_Cam Жыл бұрын
Holy crap, I hadn't even considered this before. What an incredible insightful observation.
@pwnorbepwned
@pwnorbepwned Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s fine in a game that doesn’t need fast travel, and Metroid Prime has a good-feeling progression where access to new tech and areas unlocks new pathways between places. So the longer you go through the game, the less time it takes you to get from one given spot to another.
@zjzr08
@zjzr08 Жыл бұрын
​​@@Cool_Calm_Cam I thought that was part of games in general, and usually other fast travels are rewarding because they're mostly something you earn.
@EmmettMcMullan
@EmmettMcMullan Жыл бұрын
Out of all of the Metroid games I've played (which is almost all of them, I think?), the first Prime really nails the immersion of being a power and efficient survivalist navigating a hostile alien world. It gets easier to get around over time as you've done more recon and research, and as you've improved your arsenal, but it still feels like a hostile planet that is rapidly dying and killing itself, with you on it, as you do the final artifact scavenger hunt. The fast travel in Echoes is well executed, I think, but your little bro should be commended for that insight. It really worked for MP1 that there's no fast travel: it's just look at the maps, orient yourself, then go.
@RobotacularRoBob
@RobotacularRoBob Жыл бұрын
Prime 2 broke that sense of immersion for me by having “pits” you’re not supposed to fall in that warp you back out. The world doesn’t feel feel when you get warped anywhere
@AnotherCraig
@AnotherCraig Жыл бұрын
Yahtz: Starts grumbling about respawning enemies Me: "Yeah like those damn ghosts!" Yahtz: "Fuck. Chozo. Ghosts." Me: Almost hurts myself laughing
@LucentDragoon
@LucentDragoon Жыл бұрын
At least in a lot of places the Ghosts take so long to actually spawn in you can just walk to the door to the next room and leave. I think I hated the advanced Pirates that are only weak to one beam type more this time around because of how clunky the charge shot is.
@JJAB91
@JJAB91 Жыл бұрын
The Remaster got rid of the deafening, ear destroying volume they once had. I both love and hate that change.
@DrGamelove
@DrGamelove Жыл бұрын
I’ve done an actual 180 on my original bad opinion of the game but those damn ghosts can go get primed. Of all the outdated design they are just pure unfiltered annoyances to the point of rolling my eyes and booking it through.
@wesleythomas7125
@wesleythomas7125 Жыл бұрын
They're such a pain up until you get the Xray Visor. I find a Charge beam + a Super Missile sends them screaming back to Hell quite nicely.
@mattd.5254
@mattd.5254 Жыл бұрын
Yup. I'd' forgotten about them and haven't played the remaster yet, but the moment he said it, the memories came rushing back. I might have Chozo ghost PTSD.
@chinaski7263
@chinaski7263 Жыл бұрын
The recurring chozo ghosts are only a pain until you realize they will neither follow you or stop you from boost-balling across and exiting the room they are haunting. Just say “Not now! I’m backtracking!” and run past them.
@BroAnarchy
@BroAnarchy Жыл бұрын
Boost ball is great... If the room can allow that to happen the entire time your doing it. Otherwise, it's just trying to run away from them. ..... For the.... Millionth... Time 😐
@sobrii9492
@sobrii9492 Жыл бұрын
Unless you need to do something in that room that is. Thankfully by the time that's really relevant you probably have the X-Ray Visor and can wipe the floor with them.
@DreadnoughtDT
@DreadnoughtDT Жыл бұрын
*grabs item, boss music starts up* Me: "I WANT THIS AND I'M LEAVING!!!"
@Bobulatonater
@Bobulatonater Жыл бұрын
Yeah they dont even lock the doors usually, unlike the pirate commandos in Prime 2. I despise the pirate commandos.
@DreadnoughtDT
@DreadnoughtDT Жыл бұрын
@@Bobulatonater At least you can easily kill them with the Dark Beam, nonsensical as that seems. An Entangler + Missile will gib them instantly.
@GentleIceZ
@GentleIceZ Жыл бұрын
Thank you, tommy tallarico, for building this game single handedly after being hand picked by god (miyamoto) himself
@pchris
@pchris Жыл бұрын
God’s gift to the world lmao
@g.f.martianshipyards9328
@g.f.martianshipyards9328 Жыл бұрын
His mother is very proud.
@princehotbod291
@princehotbod291 Жыл бұрын
His mother is very proud
@GenocideOwl
@GenocideOwl Жыл бұрын
IT WASN'T EVEN MTV CRIBS!
@Mae_is_gae
@Mae_is_gae Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad he was able to take time out of his busy schedule being the only American who has ever worked on sonic to forge this masterpiece
@willphoenix5464
@willphoenix5464 Жыл бұрын
The Metroid staring at a wall could see the same inter dimensional beings cats constantly see when _they're_ staring at walls
@zetsubanned4308
@zetsubanned4308 Жыл бұрын
Greebles.
@jwil4286
@jwil4286 Жыл бұрын
Whatever those creatures are, they can’t be seen in X-ray and have no thermal profile
@teaveins1466
@teaveins1466 Жыл бұрын
@@zetsubanned4308 What are you talking about you buffoon, its obviously scrimblos
@BroAnarchy
@BroAnarchy Жыл бұрын
Damn.... That's deep. Prime, even
@Libluini
@Libluini Жыл бұрын
When I became a cat owner, I looked up some behavioral stuff about cats and apparently, they do this because they really like stalking. And if your place of living isn't conveniently filled with tons of rodent-sized holes, cats are apparently perfectly willing to sit down in front of bookshelves, doors and walls to stare at them, waiting for sudden mice to materialize out of the ether. They consider this "fun".
@crazytim8256
@crazytim8256 Жыл бұрын
Metroid Prime was one of the first games I played with a strong environmentalist tone. The insanely varied biomes combined with overhanging shade of the Space Pirates' industrialization dramatically polluting the natural beauty of the Tallon IV really struck a chord in me
@purplecowadoom
@purplecowadoom Жыл бұрын
I don't know that I'd call it environmentalist. The Space Pirates were definitely doing the types of things that typically would ruin their environment, but Tallon IV was doomed anyway (we see possible late-stage results of Phazon corruption in MP2 and 3), and they set up shop right on top of the worst part of the problem. Plus, they were only there in the first place because they wanted to harvest the very thing causing the problem. So in a weird way, the Space Pirates might have helped fix things, assuming they mined the Phazon faster than it could spread and didn't end up getting themselves killed trying to do it.
@g0lddustt29
@g0lddustt29 Жыл бұрын
I was very young when I first played it - 10 or 11? The themes went over my head, but the game back then was just absurdly creepy & depressing - now I know why
@viljamtheninja
@viljamtheninja Жыл бұрын
@@g0lddustt29 I think the "creepy and depressing" vibes more likely came from the exploration of the ruins of a dead culture.
@olsonbryce777
@olsonbryce777 Жыл бұрын
@@purplecowadoom if you read the chozo lore it's very clear that this game has an environmentalist tone
@nexusdog
@nexusdog Жыл бұрын
5 points to Griffindor
@hanniballahr94
@hanniballahr94 Жыл бұрын
Allow me to explain in extreme detail why I disagree with that divisive statement of, "Cake tastes nice!"
@duckedcookie
@duckedcookie Жыл бұрын
Go on...
@GayBearBro2
@GayBearBro2 Жыл бұрын
Is it because cake can refer to "ass" and some people really need to learn how to keep theirs clean if they want someone to taste it?
@gokusondbz
@gokusondbz Жыл бұрын
The Cake is a Lie!!!....
@swedneck
@swedneck Жыл бұрын
my mom is one of those frightfully annoying people who are so convinced that sugar will kill you stone dead that she has convinced herself that cake is too sweet.
@elhazthorn918
@elhazthorn918 Жыл бұрын
The first cake I ever ate had that really salty butter-cream and I grew up thinking cakes tasted bad. So as a kid at birthday parties, I used to tell the mums, "Oh no thanks, I don't like cakes."
@PaulGirdlestone
@PaulGirdlestone Жыл бұрын
The really big mid-game boss was originally meant to be a cybernetic-ally enhanced and revived Kraid that you would face off against in Magmoor Caverns. They couldn't get it to work well enough with the limited mechanics they could put into a Gamecube game so they scrapped it. This is one of the reasons that Magmoor Caverns is notably missing ANY bosses at all.
@L1LegoAnimations
@L1LegoAnimations Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed going through the Pirates' complex in Phendrana Drifts with the thermal visor, especially whenever there'd be pirates hiding in a room with a Metroid tank or two. Pop off a missile to free the Metroid, wait a minute for it to start slaughtering pirates, then go through the room worry free while it's feeding on the last couple.
@ScootsMcDootson
@ScootsMcDootson Жыл бұрын
I feel like 2008 Yahtzee would've taken that last joke in a very different direction.
@omegaipodmaniac
@omegaipodmaniac Жыл бұрын
"FUCK CHOZO GHOSTS!" *Super Missiles:* "Way ahead of you, Yahtz."
@DanGamingFan2846
@DanGamingFan2846 Жыл бұрын
First of all, I very much agree that chozo ghosts can fuck right off. Secondly, it may just be a visual improvement, but it's a damn anazing one. I have no problem at all calling this the new definitive version of _Metroid Prime._ Everything from the lighting and particle effects to the rain on Samus' visor look absolutely gorgeous, and the gameplay and controls are really good for the most part. If _Metroid Prime 4_ has anywhere near the same amount of effort put into it as this game, then the wait will have been worth it.
@Wapfgaming
@Wapfgaming Жыл бұрын
When I was replaying it I couldn't believe that the effect of seeing her reflection in the visor whenever you shot a bright shot too close to you was in the original game. That shit was so advanced for 2001
@gwen9939
@gwen9939 Жыл бұрын
stable 60 fps with a brand new coat of paint and not only functional controls but added gyro controls as well which I'm a sucker for for first person games. And it's not full price like Skyward Sword that was barely more than a re-release.
@druidt8949
@druidt8949 Жыл бұрын
I still think the Fission metroids are worse, but man did I forget how infuriating the ghosts can be. I honestly don't remember how I never had that much of a problem with them when I first played Prime
@V-Jes
@V-Jes Жыл бұрын
@@Wapfgaming that's impressive how? Even Mario 64 had a mirror with a "reflection" of Mario in it...
@jwil4286
@jwil4286 Жыл бұрын
@@druidt8949 at least with Fission Metroids, you can be done with them in a (power bomb’s) flash.
@DraknalHitdan
@DraknalHitdan Жыл бұрын
Fast Travel? We didn't need none of that back in 2002. Unlocking the connecting elevators that were tucked away in each sector _was_ our "fast travel." That was our reward! And we did it all while walking uphill through Phendrana Drifts, both ways, with a Thardus on our back and at least _three_ Chozo Ghosts glued to our keester. Yessir back in my day...
@ALottaBees
@ALottaBees Жыл бұрын
It's been at least a decade since I last played Metroid Prime 1, so a lotta details have faded with time and bad memory. But what Yahtzee said strikes a very particular core memory that I thought I'd entirely forgotten- FUCK CHOZO GHOSTS
@Kamdrimar
@Kamdrimar Жыл бұрын
I know, right? I probably hadn't thought about the Chozo ghosts since I beat the game right after it came out, but "FUCK CHOZO GHOSTS" summoned vivid memories of the damn things!
@demi-fiendoftime3825
@demi-fiendoftime3825 Жыл бұрын
Actually with the new controls I never found them that bad they're a little anyoing but not as bad as before
@QuadfishTym
@QuadfishTym Жыл бұрын
FUCK CHOZO GHOSTS but also/possibly FUCK SPACE PIRATES. Not because they're necessarily hard, but because every encounter blasts that same pirate rave music, regardless of whether it's actually challenging at that point in the game.
@williamcronshaw5262
@williamcronshaw5262 Жыл бұрын
Same, the moment he said that I just instantly remembered and thought "yeah fuck those ass holes!"
@mzxrules
@mzxrules Жыл бұрын
It's strange because I don't remember Chozo Ghosts being that bad, whereas I found the constant Space Pirate encounters in Prime 2 to be the far greater nuisance when I couldn't figure out where to go next in Torvus Bog. They're constantly locking the doors and forcing you to fight
@g.f.martianshipyards9328
@g.f.martianshipyards9328 Жыл бұрын
There's this interesting dichotomy that I've noticed, where game critics and journalists are saying that the oldschool design of Prime would surely lead to new players bouncing off and becoming disinterested, and comments from new players saying the exact opposite (I haven't seen a single comment from a new player about Prime being too confusing). Prime really is so much better than it has any right to be, considering it's rocky development.
@lisbonmapping8425
@lisbonmapping8425 Жыл бұрын
*its
@Mackievellian
@Mackievellian Жыл бұрын
@@lisbonmapping8425 🤣
@RacingSnails64
@RacingSnails64 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@xavierspirit1811
@xavierspirit1811 Жыл бұрын
Dude that makes me so happy to hear! This is my favorite game of all time! I’m glad more people can enjoy it and that maybe we can get a Metroid prime 4 after all.
@EvanCWaters
@EvanCWaters Жыл бұрын
I think it's got a very smooth difficulty curve; a couple of boss fights are kinda spiky and the Phazon Mines are a gauntlet but there's very little that'll just stop people cold.
@ruggedlemmings9163
@ruggedlemmings9163 Жыл бұрын
4:08 The image of a totem pole with a giant finger sticking out of it saying "Go collect a big pile of bullshit" perfectly sums up this game.
@adilthethrill1
@adilthethrill1 Жыл бұрын
I've been watching Zero Punctuation for over a decade and I still can't tell if Yahtzee likes games.
@alastairward2774
@alastairward2774 Жыл бұрын
I wondered about this too. I come back and watch reviews of games I've already bought and played to see if he can bring out the little voice in my head that's trying to say clearly what bugged me about the game.
@DashtheBard
@DashtheBard Жыл бұрын
I only have minor complaints about the remastered version. As much as I like the dual stick controls, I just can't get used to how you switch your beam weapons now. I always find myself accidentally swapping visors instead of beams mid combat. Also, charging your beam seems to be harder now, since you end up burst firing it first before charging. Don't remember if that was a thing in the original. Otherwise, I absolutely LOVE it. As an adult now, I find myself scanning and actually reading everything, since I now have a deeper appreciation for lore things than I did as a kid. And everything just looks so GOOD. And I forgot how much I love the BGM. What a great Remastering!!
@johnedwards5575
@johnedwards5575 Жыл бұрын
Swap the controls for visor vs weapon. It’ll help.
@DashtheBard
@DashtheBard Жыл бұрын
@@johnedwards5575 Already tried it, just made it hard to use the visors lol. At this point, I've learned to deal with it, and just overwrote the muscle memory. As I said, it was a minor issue
@Canadamus_Prime
@Canadamus_Prime Жыл бұрын
Thankfully you can turn the hints off. Which I ended up doing because it kept popping up to tell me to go to the totem platform when I wasn't finished collecting the artifacts yet. And unlike Navi in Ocarina of Time, you can't ignore them they pop up in your face.
@Cheesusful
@Cheesusful Жыл бұрын
Hey!!!!!! Listen!!!!!
@Canadamus_Prime
@Canadamus_Prime Жыл бұрын
@@Cheesusful I said "UNLIKE"
@VexAcer
@VexAcer Жыл бұрын
Thankfully the timer for the hints doesn't stop or reset when you do that either. So after I've tried to figure something out for myself and get stumped I can just turn it on for a brief moment and it'll immediately point me in the right direction.
@Frrk
@Frrk Жыл бұрын
Didn't know you could do that. I spend a bunch of time looking for all missile and super bomb upgrades while being interrupted every so often.
@altanaschattentanz
@altanaschattentanz Жыл бұрын
Just finished streaming it and making fun of the hint system not to tell me where to go or to say "thanks for pointing to the room just across this door, Sherlock"
@pixelfairy
@pixelfairy Жыл бұрын
Have you not played it on the Wii? The controls were as close to a VR game of 10 years later as they could get them. The best flat screen first person controls I've seen.
@QuadfishTym
@QuadfishTym Жыл бұрын
I'm absolutely losing it at that depiction of "Omega Pirate".
@U-Flame
@U-Flame Жыл бұрын
The flak for the podcast comment wasn't because you said it was a visual upgrade, it was because you said it was a cheap shitty HD filter slapped on with minimal effort. All that pushback about the new engine and textures and whatnot was making the argument that there was care and effort put into the visual upgrade
@zetsubanned4308
@zetsubanned4308 Жыл бұрын
Lol I love Yahtz but even if I hadn't heard that podcast directly, him recalling his own words as "I just called it a visual upgrade" is hilariously unbelievable.
@abuttnugget6753
@abuttnugget6753 Жыл бұрын
@@zetsubanned4308 I've honestly started to notice that Yahtzee has been making a fair number of bad faith arguments/nitpicks in in a lot of his reviews lately. It feels like he's trying to lean to hard into that "angry cynical ruthless critic" identity that he's been known for several years now. This review here being a great example of that,especially with the high praise that'd he'd give Metroid Prime on the rare occasions that he'd mention it in the past.
@mekman4
@mekman4 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always found Metroid Prime to be kinda soothing, it only beat me, _a little._ Great Stuff, as always!
@yannatoko9898
@yannatoko9898 Жыл бұрын
You don't have to go back to the Chozo Temple after the Phazon Mines immediately, it's possible to collect all the Chozo Artifacts first, then head there and get the last one.
@Significantpower
@Significantpower Жыл бұрын
With the one exception being the artifact that's in the Mines 3rd level, just a few rooms before the Omega Pirate. I'm pretty sure you need the Phazon suit to survive that process, without some kind of glitch maybe.
@QuadfishTym
@QuadfishTym Жыл бұрын
@@Significantpower You definitely die if you try it without Phazon Suit. The bomb-able rocks in the way force you take 30 seconds or so to get through it, and the Phazon damage ramp-up 100% kills you in that time without the suit. I suppose the point about the glitch will be answered within a few months once the speedrunners figure out how to break this game... All that said, you still don't have to leave Phazon Mines to get it. Backtracking through Mines to the right spot after Omega Pirate is a bit painful (it's dark AND full of extra metroids) but still very doable.
@TentacularTaku
@TentacularTaku Жыл бұрын
@@QuadfishTym You actually can get it if you have enough E Tanks
@perguto
@perguto Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Retro studios originally designed Metroid Prime to be played with dual stick controls in mind, but when they actually received a Gamecube controller prototype, they were shocked by the tiny c-stick, deeming it unsuitable for fps aiming (one developper even quit his job over the issue), and they had to rework the controls to a single stick layout. So they probably just had to get the old layout out of the archive
@BladedEdge
@BladedEdge Жыл бұрын
Metroid Prime is one of very few video games that were good enough to justify getting a console just for that one game.
@nathanpetrohilos
@nathanpetrohilos Жыл бұрын
Imagine stopping whenever time you see an enemy instead of sprinting past them at full speed
@LOZFFVII
@LOZFFVII Жыл бұрын
I’d be in total agreement with the statement “FUCK CHOZO GHOSTS”… If it weren’t for the fact that over multiple playthroughs of the game, I’ve gotten extremely used to how to kill them. At least on normal. Just Super Missile -> Charge Shot -> ded. Still doesn’t stop that shrill whisper when they first spawn being a jump scare, though. Even though I have perfect memory of every room they spawn in.
@Welverin
@Welverin Жыл бұрын
5:33 Ouch!
@sagaswp
@sagaswp Жыл бұрын
Thank you for pronouncing "Aran" correctly, it is most appreciated.
@Jerthanis
@Jerthanis Жыл бұрын
Damn, Yahtz sayin' ACAB up in here.
@crownysuccubus1524
@crownysuccubus1524 Жыл бұрын
"Fuck Chozo Ghosts." For real. To this day, that damn music gives me PTSD every time I hear it.
@Sergeantmajormario
@Sergeantmajormario Жыл бұрын
Basketballs for shoulder pads, a travel mug for an arm cannon, and a Cornish Pasty wearing sunglasses for the helmet Yep, it's still good ol' Zero Punctuation
@sobrii9492
@sobrii9492 Жыл бұрын
The enemy AI never really bugged out for me until the end boss. In the second phase it just kept doing that dodge move for almost a full minute and nothing else. Then it roared and the fight continued as normal. I was really worried that I might need to restart before it fixed itself.
@abuttnugget6753
@abuttnugget6753 Жыл бұрын
Metroid Prime's actions will vary depending on how far/close you are to her. If you're too close she probably keep doing that "dodge" move to get away from you,and if you're too far she'll strafe closer to you. Ol' Primey will never spawn phazon puddles when she's backed up against a wall,so back up and lure her more towards the middle of the room.
@ObeseChess
@ObeseChess 5 ай бұрын
I had this experience and both of the ones Yahtzee described in the video. Super weird!
@ThanderTheGoblin
@ThanderTheGoblin Жыл бұрын
Tommy Tallarico now has another game to add to his list of 350 games worked on
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 Жыл бұрын
His mother is very proud.
@piclemaniscool
@piclemaniscool Жыл бұрын
If you're having trouble with the chozo ghosts, the Super Missle makes short work of them. But I imagine for most people it's not a struggle more than an annoyance which I have no solution for.
@One-ct3xe
@One-ct3xe Жыл бұрын
Actual remastered items: Morphball Springball. It’s available as soon as Morphball is, and makes completing some puzzles much more bearable. It even affects gameplay with some bosses in good ways! Three dimensional character models as extra unlockables not seen in the original game. Improved scan visor mechanics New game plus (saved scan states)
@abuttnugget6753
@abuttnugget6753 Жыл бұрын
Two things: 1) Springball was added in the Prime Trilogy for the Wii 2) Springball becomes available after getting Morphball BOMBS.
@SwearWoolf
@SwearWoolf Жыл бұрын
Roid rage, that’s a solid pun there. Good job
@fierceditiesnaruto
@fierceditiesnaruto Жыл бұрын
Fuck Chazo Ghosts! Is definitely a true statement.
@theredman2783
@theredman2783 Жыл бұрын
Yahtzee: It's a bit irritating when a game gives you exactly ZERO clue on where to go or what to do next. Also Yahtzee: *Loudly enjoys Dark Souls games*
@unusualusername8847
@unusualusername8847 Жыл бұрын
Key difference: Dark Souls you want to explore everywhere you can see as you can go to it. In Metroid you're in a labrinyth with unclear paths to return back to where you started.
@globalistgamer6418
@globalistgamer6418 Жыл бұрын
In DS it's also more viable to tackle areas out of order or in parallel. In MP you can probably sequence break a bit, but the intended order of events is quite linear until the artifacts (which have their own issues). You can often get some additional missile packs by backtracking to the 'wrong' location but you can't generally make real progress this way.
@VendettaAS
@VendettaAS Жыл бұрын
Well DS sucks so....
@RetroProg
@RetroProg Жыл бұрын
@@VendettaAS edgelord comin' through
@VendettaAS
@VendettaAS Жыл бұрын
@@RetroProg for thinking Dark Souls sucks? Lmfao nah. That's the DS fanbase thinking they are "good" at games being edgelords.
@ArcaneAzmadi
@ArcaneAzmadi 10 ай бұрын
I swear, I watched this video at least twice already before his redesign of Samus actually registered with me. Normally he just renders her accurately in his normal cartoon style, but this time she has a Cornish pasty for a helmet with a pair of holographic wrap-around shades for a visor, a pair of basketballs for the Varia suit's pauldrons, and a thermos flask for an arm cannon. How did I not notice this before?! I must be getting old...
@ThisNameIsVeryClever
@ThisNameIsVeryClever Жыл бұрын
Seeing Eternal Darkness at 0:42 made my heart ache.
@BoardGamesBricksHobbies
@BoardGamesBricksHobbies Жыл бұрын
That game needs more love. It's an amazing game. Even though it contributed to the death of my GameCube (with its constant loading) I forgive because it's so good!
@AKidNamedHiggs
@AKidNamedHiggs Жыл бұрын
Metroid Prime came out and Mountain Dew Pitch Black came back to stores. For a bit it was like I time traveled. Yes. F the Chozo Ghosts.
@shadow0fx
@shadow0fx Жыл бұрын
I knew we were in for good times when Pitch Black came back. Prime Remaster was released 2 days later
@rdowg
@rdowg Жыл бұрын
Wasnt that abomination licorice flavored? One of three things in this world to make me throw up on contact with my tongue
@shadow0fx
@shadow0fx Жыл бұрын
@@rdowg No it’s grape flavored…
@Kriizikaan
@Kriizikaan Жыл бұрын
@@rdowg bro it's just grape soda. No need to be so upset.
@rdowg
@rdowg Жыл бұрын
@@Kriizikaan then Im getting my drinks confused, and Im not even exaggurating, whatever licorice drink Im thinking of actually did make me vomit. Mint chocolate does the same thing to me
@TheMAZZTer
@TheMAZZTer Жыл бұрын
My own notes... Metroid Prime was already re-released for the Wii and Wii U as part of the Metroid Prime Trilogy. I think this is the first time it has been REMASTERED, but this is the fourth time it has been released. It has been released on every Nintendo home console since its introduction. The GameCube lacked a second analog stick. While it did have the C-stick, it was not really intended for use as an analog stick and I don't recall playing any games that attempted to use it as such. Somehow I don't think it would have been very good. That said they did a pretty good job with what they had (the lock on mechanic was a way of improving the otherwise tank-style controls while you were in combat, at least), and of course the modern control schemes are appreciated, but it's worth nothing the original game had you switch visors with the d-pad and beams with the C stick, and the on-screen HUD reflected the location of these controls. Since you now can use the right analog stick to aim, there's no buttons for beam switching, leaving me quite confused and unsure where my beam switching went once I actually obtained the first beam weapon (It's X+ Dpad). And I then proceeded to mix up switching visors and beams for the rest of the game. The \hud should have been changed to reflect the different controls. I remember getting stuck trying to get to the Ice Beam, since if you follow the objective marker you end up in a room called "Furnace" with no accessible exits, and no clue how to access the room shown in your objective. I ended up wandering around until I realized some room exits don't have doors and thus aren't clearly marked on the map. Sure enough Furnace has a morph ball exit concealed in shadow. But this isn't really the remaster's fault... because when I said "I remember" I mean not only did it happen this playthrough, I definitely got stuck the same spot on a previous playthrough! The lighting could be improved in that spot., The rest of the game does a good job at highlighting morph ball spots with lights, to be fair.
@knuknukknuckles3840
@knuknukknuckles3840 Жыл бұрын
I'm really glad I still get these in my recommendations
@Mankey619
@Mankey619 Жыл бұрын
They did an awesome job remastering the game. It has huge improvements over the original. I can’t wait for the remastered sequels.
@Flatgod
@Flatgod Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, they confirmed that the sequels won't be getting the remastered treatment. They will only be basically ports of the originals with the new control scheme.
@zetsubanned4308
@zetsubanned4308 Жыл бұрын
Zingers like "Metroid Crime" are why you get the big bucks, Yahtz.
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 Жыл бұрын
One problem I have with the remaster is that it is yet another example of a game porting Wii pointer controls to the Switch by only mapping them to the right joy-con's gyro with no option to remap them to the left joy-con's gyro. I played Metroid Prime on the Wii U with the Wii Remote in my left hand since I'm left-handed and using my dominant hand made the aiming more precise for me. How hard is it to remap the controls from one gyro to another?
@maxastro
@maxastro Жыл бұрын
As someone who is also left-handed, the lack of left-handed support in many games drives me up a wall. Don't even get me started on the Link retcon. I could rant for hours. >.>
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 Жыл бұрын
@@maxastro _"Don't even get me started on the Link retcon; I could rant for hours."_ …I actually *_have_* ranted about it for hours at different times.
@ThunderStruck115
@ThunderStruck115 6 ай бұрын
Something I recently learned that makes the Chozo ghosts more bearable is that you can use super missiles on them
@benHaskett1
@benHaskett1 Жыл бұрын
I agree about Chozo ghosts, and cake, but hey, you have to go *two* room away before enemies respawn!
@alexm498
@alexm498 Жыл бұрын
It's been so many years since I first started watching your reviews but somehow, you haven't fallen off. You are still just so damn good at what you do!
@Krysnha
@Krysnha Жыл бұрын
More or less, like you watching him for wow nearly a decade, and he has become much more lets said, nice with games, he didint have a problem to literaly send them to hell, and was more strict, i imagine for one is modern world, you cant said anything even remote controversial, another maybe like he said he is becoming older and well is not as strict as before
@Brianlikescars
@Brianlikescars Жыл бұрын
Okay everything about the end card on this one is just absolute fucking gold.
@Morgannin
@Morgannin Жыл бұрын
The final gag is appreciated, throwing shade at the dismissive credit the Remaster gave to the original development team.
@thecianinator
@thecianinator Жыл бұрын
I'm glad Yahtzee noticed some weird stuff with enemy behavior, I've been noticing it myself. Particularly enemies getting stuck in ways I've never seen before. I actually had the rock boss get himself stuck inside some level geometry for the entire second half of the fight, which also conveniently blocked his main attack from working.
@omgwat
@omgwat Жыл бұрын
Yeah it was weird to get into the Space Pirate complex in Phendrana Drifts and all of the sudden all of the melee pirates are in my face fucking me. I don’t think that happened in the original
@Galiaverse
@Galiaverse Жыл бұрын
Great, now I'm imagining Space Pirates... "IT'S SAMUS!!" "KILL THE HUNTER!"" "LOOK AT MY NIPPLES!!"
@dpg154
@dpg154 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love Metroid Prime and the remaster, but I do completely and wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment about Chozo Ghosts 🤝
@ff0213
@ff0213 Жыл бұрын
As someone who played the original dizzy series I appreciate Yahtzee putting them into the videos, and would love to watch him play through them for nostalgia
@fraziercrawford
@fraziercrawford Жыл бұрын
He did one of them on his Yahtzee19 channel in "let's drowns out"!
@darkblades1201
@darkblades1201 Жыл бұрын
The pirates crowding you in the corner unfortunately was a part of the gamecube version too if im remembering right
@LadyArtemis2012
@LadyArtemis2012 Жыл бұрын
I was the perfect age when Metroid Prime first came out and it was one of the biggest influences on me as a gamer. I cannot overstate how big of an impact that game had on my life. That said, I also distinctly remember being completely stuck for months trying to find the stupid Artifact of Elder. Which is a statement that only works in the context of it being 2002 because that meant you couldn't just go online and find a Reddit article with the answer.
@AngryAtlantean
@AngryAtlantean Жыл бұрын
"A metroid that was only divisible by itself, and one." 😂😂😂😂
@boltonatorsaomd9368
@boltonatorsaomd9368 Жыл бұрын
There was really only one nitpick I had with the remaster…but it was a fairly big one- the Heat Visor.
@Chaoticgood252
@Chaoticgood252 Жыл бұрын
I used to watch you since 2006 or 2007. Since then the world has gotten crazy, or growing up has revealed to me that it was. It’s comforting how despite everything changing, your reviews are exactly as they were. The style, the editing, the animations, your voice, and even the intro are all the same. I think your videos are the most consistent thing in my life.
@dickc.normus2406
@dickc.normus2406 Жыл бұрын
I thought it was just me noticing the enemy AI is weird. Metroids will also regularly run into the giant spires of Phazon that instantly gibs them.
@SirFlopsy
@SirFlopsy Жыл бұрын
I remember that also happening in the Gamecube version. Especially behind the force field going into the actual mines.
@monocleenthusiast2381
@monocleenthusiast2381 Жыл бұрын
it's not just a visual upgrade. the hud says your maximum number of missiles now
@PewPew_McPewster
@PewPew_McPewster Жыл бұрын
Goddammit Yahtzee play Pizza Tower already, its exactly like Hi Fi Rush in that it's got a refreshing, deliberate and high quality art style, fun gameplay and a solid soundtrack. It's the exact opposite of the remake trend you're complaining about.
@LillyP-xs5qe
@LillyP-xs5qe Жыл бұрын
He still need to play lil gator game first though
@alldayagain
@alldayagain Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I didn't even know it was a real game until now. Just thought it was one of those meme about a hypothetical game.
@dr.velious5411
@dr.velious5411 Жыл бұрын
@@alldayagain It's the hypothetical meme game distilled into actual game form and it's amazing.
@alldayagain
@alldayagain Жыл бұрын
@@dr.velious5411 oh, them probably why he doesn't know about it
@THB192
@THB192 Жыл бұрын
I mean it's very derivative of Warioland. It's also made by a weird racist. But I do hear really good things.
@toysandjunk
@toysandjunk Жыл бұрын
If I had the ability, I would only change three things about the remaster: 1. No more having to fire off a few shots before the charge beam begins to rev up. 2. Fast travel between unlocked save points. 3. An option to switch the 'fire' and 'morph ball' buttons (I use hybrid controls). I prefer Y to fire, and A for the morph ball... I always switch A and Y up in the Switch's internal control options, but it'd just be nice to not have to change them back and forth every time I want to play a different game. Otherwise, it's pretty much flawless. I can even live without the various small lighting downgrades.
@QuadfishTym
@QuadfishTym Жыл бұрын
It's a minor one, but I'd like to add "Left-D-Pad for scan visor, Right-D-Pad for xray visor". It's not a big deal but with the new control scheme, those visors are flipped from the OG game and that really screwed with my habits.
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 Жыл бұрын
I'd add a left-handed mode for the motion controls: basically, an option to remap all gyro controls from the right joy-con's gyro to the left joy-con's gyro.
@ianmckee4726
@ianmckee4726 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if this version has an unlockable fusion suit?
@abuttnugget6753
@abuttnugget6753 Жыл бұрын
Sadly,no. But it might in the future given that they released Metroid Fusion on the Switch's VC now.
@Facebones2391
@Facebones2391 Жыл бұрын
So it's going in the good column but I can't imagine Yahtzee taking this remaster to top 5 status.
@fabulousknight1960
@fabulousknight1960 Жыл бұрын
I could see him using it as an excuse to put Metroid Prime in a top 5 of his tbh
@Facebones2391
@Facebones2391 Жыл бұрын
@@fabulousknight1960 he would for blandest but he clearly didn't think the game should go there, but despite his championing game preservation he's not gonna rank a remaster or he woulda done Demons Souls out of obligation. He champions creativity and new ideas alongside keeping gaming history alive.
@Horvath_Gabor
@Horvath_Gabor Жыл бұрын
So far, I'm pretty sure Hi-fi Rush goes on the Best list, Forspoken will probably end up either on the Worst or the Blandest, while Hogwarts Legacy is definitely going to end up on the Blandest list (which is a shame, considering its first ten or so hours are such a blast of awe and nostalgia, but unfortunately it's tethered to thirty hours of some of the blandest, most repetitive open world gameplay in years). On the other hand, I'm completely unsure of Atomic Heart and the Dead Space remake. I mean, one of them is a janky knockoff Bioshock, but it's too weird for the Bland list, and not unplayable or shameful enough to the Worst list, while I don't know about Yathzee's policy on full-on remakes, though it might still squeeze its way to the lower-end of the Best list, depending on the rest of the year's harvest.
@guguy00
@guguy00 Жыл бұрын
@@Horvath_Gabor Remakes count for best. He did (hesitantly) put the RE2make in his top 5 that year.
@Facebones2391
@Facebones2391 Жыл бұрын
@@guguy00 true but he was reluctant precisely bc he didnt like putting a remake there.
@guyinachair
@guyinachair Жыл бұрын
Causing the pirate's ship to fall down to the planet is technically a deescalation.
@vincent207
@vincent207 Жыл бұрын
Here’s hoping we get Primes 2 and 3 Remastered at some point as well. And yeah, those ghosts can get bent.
@nikxneon6615
@nikxneon6615 Жыл бұрын
Somehow, I doubt it. Even if they do, they'll still somehow figure out a way to show Echoes unwarranted disrespect, just like their fans.
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 Жыл бұрын
Considering that the Wii U eshop closes on March 27, that leaves only five days before there's no longer an official way to obtain Prime 2 and 3, so yeah; those games should get remastered. Speaking of which, was anyone else immediately suspicious of how closely Prime Remastered's release was timed to the closing of the Wii U eshop, which has all three Prime games available as a bundle for just $20?
@BroAnarchy
@BroAnarchy Жыл бұрын
I really hope Echoes (MP2) gets released...i really liked that one
@zegreatpumpkinani9161
@zegreatpumpkinani9161 Жыл бұрын
​@Matthew Muir I KNOW RIGHT?! I'm surprised that bundle isn't already gone! Honestly the fact that I can't play 2 and 3 on the switch combined with already owning all three makes me not really want the remaster.
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 Жыл бұрын
@@zegreatpumpkinani9161 I know what you mean; I certainly didn't buy the remaster. That said, there is another reason I didn't buy the remaster: I can hold the Wii remote in my left hand; I can't hold the right joy-con in my left hand. Every single time Nintendo ports Wii controls to the Switch, they only port the motion controls to the right joy-con, despite both joy-cons having the same motion control hardware. I'm left-handed, and I always played Wii games with the Wii remote in my left hand as that made the motion controls easier for me, so it's really infuriating that Nintendo apparently can't be bothered to ever implement a simple remapping of the motion controls.
@bretdeshotel7598
@bretdeshotel7598 Жыл бұрын
You can even pick the different region versions that's pretty cool
@Seyhawk
@Seyhawk Жыл бұрын
Oh god Eternal Darkness was a good/terrifying game that I desperately need to play again/never
@brandonrahhal6989
@brandonrahhal6989 Жыл бұрын
The old control scheme had a speed hack where if you targeted something, jumped sideways and immediately released the lock, you could get a faster jump that covered more ground. It was enough to skip spots and get upgrades you weren’t yet supposed to. I wonder if that’s still possible.
@bar-elch7809
@bar-elch7809 Жыл бұрын
That infamous 2 tombstone hit me hard
@CooperDooper38
@CooperDooper38 Жыл бұрын
I only ever came across one issue with enemy ai, where a triclops walked into my morph ball bomb at an odd angle, and froze in place with the bomb. From that point until I left the room, the bomb never blew up, and the triclops never moved.
@lonelymascot
@lonelymascot Жыл бұрын
I cannot stress enough, FUCK THE CHOZO GHOSTS it's nice not having to break out my gamecube disk and wii to play the game now
@shadowfox997
@shadowfox997 Жыл бұрын
The reason the AI can get a bit funky sometimes in the Remaster is because their AI wasn't altered to keep up with how fast and aggressive the player can move and attack now with the improved controls. Enemy AI is still on that Gamecube speed.
@matthewmuir8884
@matthewmuir8884 Жыл бұрын
I kind-of doubt that; I played Metroid Prime for the first time using Prime Trilogy on the Wii U, which uses Wii pointer controls for aiming, and I never once encountered odd enemy AI that couldn't keep up. Gyro aim and right-control-stick aim isn't as fast as Wii pointer aim, so there shouldn't have been a problem.
@ZXaber78
@ZXaber78 Жыл бұрын
You forgot about the spring ball. That was a serious quality of life upgrade.
@abuttnugget6753
@abuttnugget6753 Жыл бұрын
Even though that was first added in the Prime Trilogy.
@mossclumps2959
@mossclumps2959 Жыл бұрын
I very seldom disagree with Yahtzee, but I thoroughly enjoy/enjoyed the aiming controls for the original Metroid Prime. I replayed the original recently, (and it's definitely not as well designed as I remember) but I don't think twin stick aiming or motion control aiming are necessarily improvements. For me, immersion is not increased by accessibility. A good example is Resident Evil 4. They specifically chose to impose control limitations on the player in order to convey the tone of the game. I would think a similar tone and a similar approach applies to MP. Just the mere fact that it's a departure from our now homogenized FPS control schemes is a plus from me. You can feel that the developers made conscious decisions for how to deal with 3D space in a way that made the player feel like they were piloting an alien mecha suit as opposed to it feeling oh so natural because it's a video game and you're a video gamer. Just that one extra button press makes it feel like you have to actively do something we do unconsciously, and I think keeping the player active in even the most basic controls is a good way to stave off tedium. Backtracking through magmoor caverns for the 323rd time just to see if the thing you need to progress is jutting out of an ice cube halfway across the globe is not. Despite this, I can still see how even one extra button press would be annoying for a reviewer who just wants to get through the damn thing, especially if they paid full price for a texture pack of a game they've had since 2002???
@hadesKIU
@hadesKIU Жыл бұрын
Ironically it's the controls that sold me on the awesomeness of the remaster. The beautiful visuals are the cherry on top. I didn't even grow up with dual analog but Prime just felt a little hard to control. I never had Prime Trilogy but the pointer control setup is high maintenance (ie, hard to play in bed.) It's great to see a remaster go "do whatever you want!" with the control settings.
@malachislice8368
@malachislice8368 Жыл бұрын
That end gag(lol) was brilliant. 💀💀💀
@TurKlack
@TurKlack Жыл бұрын
At some point in my childhood playthrough I simply ignored the Ghosts, since they didn't lock the doors. Most of the time.
@spacewizardpip1111
@spacewizardpip1111 Жыл бұрын
Maybe I’m absolutely crazy, but in the original Prime the charge beam would automate start charging the second you held the A button. Now, it seems to shoot like 2-3 shots THAN gets charged up.
@ehhorve857
@ehhorve857 Жыл бұрын
nope, can confirm. in fact, YOU can confirm, just copy the sentence Metroid Prime Remastered: Fully charged beam time comparison put that in youtube's search bar, an' see for yourself.
@lanereynolds4567
@lanereynolds4567 Жыл бұрын
yeah, there's a lot of little things that ding this remaster into a sub prime version. try missile spam with any weapon other than power beam. watch the cluster fuck as it goes from missile, to power configuration, then to your chosen beam, all before you can shoot a beam shot or fire another missile.
@abuttnugget6753
@abuttnugget6753 Жыл бұрын
@@lanereynolds4567 Dude it's always been like that since the original GC version. If you you wanna rapid spam missiles then you have to equip the Power Beam!
@spacewizardpip1111
@spacewizardpip1111 Жыл бұрын
@@lanereynolds4567 Other than my charge shot problem this remaster is genuinely better than the GC. Having dual stick controls makes automatically better, those old tank controls only matter in an era before best practices for controls were really developed
@lanereynolds4567
@lanereynolds4567 Жыл бұрын
@@spacewizardpip1111 wrongful lore change's, a butchering of the thermal visor, the missile lag for any beam other than power beam, and not fixing the ice shriekbat problem... It's a lesser copy, glowing with pretty lights and nothing else.
@CallMeIshmael999
@CallMeIshmael999 Жыл бұрын
As a math grad student I want to thank you for the "divisible by itself and 1" pun. I feel seen.
@mje3070
@mje3070 Жыл бұрын
Isn't that high school level maths?
@discountchocolate4577
@discountchocolate4577 Жыл бұрын
@@mje3070 Number theory (which includes properties of prime numbers) is also studied at the undergraduate and graduate level.
@CallMeIshmael999
@CallMeIshmael999 Жыл бұрын
@@mje3070 I think I first learned about primes in elementary school, but I still study them today. They're important and there's still a bunch of unsolved problems about them. And they can be generalized to be important in other circumstances too.
@jstn9914
@jstn9914 Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna need a plush of that Omega Pirate minion
@lucas_lipp
@lucas_lipp Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'm more on board with the Chozo ghost statement than the cake one. Like, yeah, cake is nice, sometimes, but you gotta be in the mood for cake and it's gotta be the right type of cake, etc. But the Chozo ghosts? They suck in any scenario.
@rix0r222
@rix0r222 Жыл бұрын
I never realized her head was a Cornish pasty
@guguy00
@guguy00 Жыл бұрын
I thought it was something else. Well, a cornish pasty but with curry in it. South-east Asia's weird.
@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez
@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez Жыл бұрын
It really is funny that you never did a Retro review since the Prime Collection got and HD upgrade on Wii U and I believe all three games were originally remastered for the Wii. This game is like the Metroid Equivalent of Resident Evil 4.
@zaneheaston8254
@zaneheaston8254 Жыл бұрын
Yahtzee complained that a bunch of MELEE pirates were trying to crowd around him, next you are going tell me water is wet
@rene537
@rene537 Жыл бұрын
We gotta have a retro review of Fantasy World Dizzy at some point.
@genuinesaucy
@genuinesaucy Жыл бұрын
lol holy shit the way he drew Samus in her armor
@combak2712
@combak2712 Жыл бұрын
“Fuck Chozo Ghosts.” AMEN BRUV!
@deadfrogfoot
@deadfrogfoot Жыл бұрын
i loved prime ob the gamecube. so much i got the trilogy on the will u when it came out. haaaaated the controls on that tho and only finished 1 and most of 2
@a_level_70_elite_raccoon
@a_level_70_elite_raccoon Жыл бұрын
At this point I am going to need Yahtzee to Retro Review Fantasy World Dizzy just so I can see why he keeps referencing it so much.
@meapickle
@meapickle Жыл бұрын
I was a kid when I played it and all though I was ok with the fights during back tracking. The chozo ghosts were annoying because of how dangerous they are at first. And then how tedious when u get more health and power ups Also, my auto correct changed chozo to chocolate. So yeah, chocolate ghosts. There's a thought
@phoenixdowner
@phoenixdowner 11 ай бұрын
Funny you say that about enemy AI. I had more trouble with them on the Wii version.
@OlOleander
@OlOleander Жыл бұрын
I feel vindicated in my hatred of Chozo Ghosts. If there was one thing that always made me dread re-exploring areas in Metroid Prime, it was those screeching pains in the arse. They're such a tedious bother to dispose of.
@SohakmetGameplay
@SohakmetGameplay Жыл бұрын
Just ignore the Ghosts, my dude. The Beam Pirates in the other hand...
@discountchocolate4577
@discountchocolate4577 Жыл бұрын
Beam Pirates exist to justify spending dozens of missiles on the beam combos. The purple ones - who I might add get introduced in their own special cutscene - might as well just straight up tell you to GTFO until you come back with Wavebuster (which is basically right next to an artifact).
@SohakmetGameplay
@SohakmetGameplay Жыл бұрын
@@discountchocolate4577 they are pretty easy to take down without them, but it just takes so fucking long and they're so many... It's not really interactive at all. Wavebuster on wave pirates is a missile sink lmao
@discountchocolate4577
@discountchocolate4577 Жыл бұрын
@@SohakmetGameplay My approach to wave troopers in the mines may have to do with the fact that I usually run through the mines exactly once and enter as late as possible, having already gotten plasma beam, power bombs, the X-ray visor, and most of the missile expansions and artifacts everywhere else. I can afford to waste 20 missiles on a single wave trooper when I can already hold 200 and the sequence breaks I did earlier cut out most of the backtracking.
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