MG ZS EV charging on Ionity vs 50 kW
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@Zedus-rl9hp 4 жыл бұрын
7:00 it is confirmed that he does not ship the car, he has driven it across Asia and Russia ;)
@John_S_NL 4 жыл бұрын
yes, that must be it. But did he then repaint it in Norway, or in Thailand already?
@John_S_NL 4 жыл бұрын
@@EdgarRenje I understand know why he stoppped with programming and now makes videos.
@robduncan599 4 жыл бұрын
I love it . All your work is teaching me . Thank you ,greetings from Scotland.
@usfouru2 4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great work! Drive safe
@Steffesa 4 жыл бұрын
Raging on viewers, I like it!
@TuX444 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bjorn...thanks for the Video...which card/app do you use to charge on ionity chargers?
@norbertklein7616 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks , Bjorn for answering my question related to coldgate. I am just wondering why Hyundai, Kia, MG and others do so little to mitigate coldgate, if a proper use of the 2 kW battery heater would help. Maybe they prefer to limit the long range use of EVs just not to jeopardize their own petrol and hybrid sales...
@rjspoons 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the reason why the software is so good in Thailand and so bad in Europe? I'm hoping for a comprehensive update but I'm not holding my breath.
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
GDPR
@rjspoons 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland ok thanks, that might change for the UK now we've left the EU he says hopefully.
@MikeDeeee 4 жыл бұрын
@@rjspoons Not directly. The UK has the Data Protection Act 2018, which implements the GDPR. So unless that is repealed, nothing will change.
@rjspoons 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeDeeee I recently moved from a Renault Zoe to the MG, the Zoe had an app and better software so why can't the MG have the same?
@paulgoffin8054 4 жыл бұрын
GDPR may be why there's no app, but it's not why there's no % charge indication.
@antoniopalmero551 4 жыл бұрын
Go Bjorn
@joncduff 4 жыл бұрын
Very funny Mr Einstein is talking 😆 still brilliant thanks for the info Mr Einstein
@markevans4832 4 жыл бұрын
Saw an e208 IONITY charging video and it drops in big chunks down to about 11kw at 80%. Maybe that will be better in summer as only got 95-100 kw until 18%
@colla555 4 жыл бұрын
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@stevecongrave1684 4 жыл бұрын
It's all to do with cell temperature as you suggest. Lower temperatures increase the internal resistance so you need a higher voltage to push the same amps. You can see this at 3:20 where in Thailand you are getting 105A @ 429V at 65% and at 3:04 in Norway at the same 65% SOC you are getting only 91A @ 430V - in Norway the Internal Resistance of the cells is higher due to lower cell temperatures. Nice video - just a pity that you don't have the equivalent of ScanMyTesla for the MG to show the cell temperatures :)
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, but the car loses the heat too fast probably due to lack of battery insulation.
@stevecongrave1684 4 жыл бұрын
The batteries on the MG are 'modules' whereas the Tesla wraps each cell in a thermo conductor channel and foam so that it can exactly control the temperature. MG has battery cooling but not heating. However even the Tesla Model 3 doesn't have enough heating for EU weather conditions. It raises the cell temp by 1C every 6 minutes when pre-heating for SuC which isn't enough. S/X are better with dedicated battery heaters.
@kanaljenskanal 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland For us in scandinavia, with moderate summer temperatures, it might be ok to add some insulation to the large bottom area if the normal cooling system of the battery can keep battery cell temperature under control and not "hot-gate". But it could be that the OEMs also have counted on passive thermal loss through that large bottom area for it all to work perfectly. But then that would in most cases only be needed in really hot summer countries. Sometimes you can add a "winterpackage" when you order a new car. Maybe thats something that will come in the future also for electric cars?
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevecongrave1684 That's incorrect. MG has battery heater. And Model 3 "afterburners" can run at 7 kW which is higher than Model X/S with "only" 6 kW. When preheating stationary with 7 kW afterburners, I have recorded that it went from 4°C to 27°C in just 31 minutes. That's +1°C each 1 min 20 s.
@stevecongrave1684 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland Where did you hear that MG has a battery heater? You can see the manufacture of the MG batteries in this video and there is no heater - only cooling. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/odSdpNRzmJvdcYU.html The Model 3 'afterburners' are the stators that are run purposely out of phase to generate heat - they are not generating 7kW of "heat". Do you have a video showing the temperature rise as I have only seen 1C/6 minutes so far. That is from a starting temperature of 20C.
@steveau1747 4 жыл бұрын
i hope you can have video for driving from Norway to Thailand.
@mateuszbalon3762 4 жыл бұрын
Kona has actually mode for prehiting of batteries for better rapid changing speed. They call it winter mode. Check that :)
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
I know about it. And it doesn't do anything for improving the fast charging. You should cehck this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mtl1l6SimbTDh4k.html
@JohnDoe-vx3z 4 жыл бұрын
Voltage is pretty good
@norbertklein7616 4 жыл бұрын
Question for Bjorn: As you said, Coldgate is a common issue with most EVs except Tesla and Audi. Is the battery heater in these coldgating cars strong enough to prevent coldgating by a software update, or is this a flaw of the hardware design ?
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Most of them have 2 kW battery heater. Whereas Tesla uses 6-7 kW. Even 2 kW would improve a lot.
@nesnioreh 4 жыл бұрын
Bangkok - Oslo, 10 000 km challenge :)
@rafardzrba 4 жыл бұрын
Of course Bjorn did not transport his MG to Norway through ship or plane...he did it via the portals 😀
@simonpritchard472 4 жыл бұрын
But someone flipped a switch, hence the left/right wheel swap and the colour change!
@nachocollantes7602 4 жыл бұрын
Norway is probably one of the worse place for evs. It has low speed roads with very low temperatures. The temperature management is always on a challenge in that cold place. Here in Spain we have 3-4 weeks of strong winter and I think all ev would work very different. Good stuff Bjørn.
@nachocollantes7602 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomashenden71 Yep. The "coldgate" seems important to the Norwegian Ninja. It's not so important to me because I think we are taking about minutes...5...10 minutes more perhaps?
@MikeDeeee 4 жыл бұрын
Charging current of 190 A was reached for a brief moment.
@jimwhitehead1532 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt Audi will use your high praise in advertisements: "Bjorn says Audi e-tron is good S#i!... almost as good as Tesla." 😀
@Haveagoodd 4 жыл бұрын
Zeee Germans won't ever compare das auto to Tesla :D They think Audis technik is far far better . But seriously I charge next to eTron 55 in the UK quite often and apart from the price it is way better in every aspect than my KIA. Only consumption is a bit too high in comparison but knowing the massive weight I can forgive that. If I could only afford one :D I got a choice either getting 1/3 bigger house to accommodate my 3 kids but be cramped in Kia when driving or buy eTron and be cramped in our house :P Choice seems obvious. I spent 10 times more time at home so eTron sorry nich gut!
@jimwhitehead1532 4 жыл бұрын
@@Haveagoodd You likely made the right decision for your finances. Speaking as a former home flipper, some improvements make a profit on resale, while most cars go DOWN with time. I buy cars a few years old to get them for half price and will get a Model 3 or Y when a used one is ~$25K.
@josteinfarmen 4 жыл бұрын
Why did the Thai charging session add 40kWh while the Norwegian added considerably less energy? I do recognise that some of the energy disappears because of the cold - but why 3-4 kWh? Did they not start from the same SoC?
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
No, check the start and end kWh again on Thai session. About 36 kWh was added. Not 40 kWh.
@josteinfarmen 4 жыл бұрын
Bjørn Nyland Right, OK. I was wrong.
@phosisavanhboulom8465 4 жыл бұрын
I think the problem is the charging standard, Chinese charging requires higher voltage, mostly max 750V, but Euro charging standard or DC fast chargers have more current(A). According to GB/T standard most Chinese EVs should have the same standard-Max 750V, 125A. Please check the hand book of the MG EZS EV for charging capacity.
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
No, it has nothing to do with this.
@Jimi-bx3xf 4 жыл бұрын
So thé charge speed dépends on the heat of the battery ? And the weather ?
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
That's what I said in the video several times, yes.
@Smachil 4 жыл бұрын
I want ionity charger in Thailand :-)
@kompost1 4 жыл бұрын
Not with its pricing model!
@francisgaliegue6645 4 жыл бұрын
It is hard to believe that all "traditional" auto manufacturers seem to be getting it so wrong, what with them having a prime example of what to do (and not to do) from a certain automaker since 2012... But there is still one big mystery: OK, the MG ZS EV is made in China, but what of all other Chinese EVs, in China and elsewhere? Do you have any plans to spend, say, three months in China and test them the way you do in Norway? I am sure that you could raise funds for that...
@pierre-de-standing 4 жыл бұрын
So not only did he transport the MG from Thailand, he also had it resprayed?
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
You forgot the part where I moved the steering wheel from the wrong side to the right side.
@lagynas 4 жыл бұрын
Try on 50kw charger in Norway pls
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Already done that in 1000 km challenge.
@lagynas 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland I mean compare it side by side like in this video.
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
No need to. The charging session I had at Hallandsåsen and Halmstad was more or less like the one in Chiang Mai.
@TheMobilefidelity 4 жыл бұрын
You said this car pays no import taxes in Thailand, and even so it costs 10k more than in Norway! Why do they do that?!
@mateny.6770 4 жыл бұрын
Because they can....
@stane89 4 жыл бұрын
Did you transport your MG back to Norway and painted it red?
@kompost1 4 жыл бұрын
Viewer request; use more props, to 'avoid confusion'. Colgate, NERF 🔫 etc
@nirerlich2542 4 жыл бұрын
Would be great to see radiation tests on the various cars you are testing, I know there are people staying away from electric cars for that reason
@olekarredlarsen 4 жыл бұрын
🆒👍🏻🇩🇰
@aviazu 4 жыл бұрын
What about radiation? When will you do a radiation test in mg?
@tuc-dh4df 4 жыл бұрын
Ionising or non-ionising?
@t3g3lst3n 4 жыл бұрын
tried to buy electric car, was no go apparently.
@CoolSilver 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like they gave you pre-production car. All these differences in screen info. If it isn't they are way slow on development.
@bjornnyland 4 жыл бұрын
Nope, it's just a result of GDPR.
@CoolSilver 4 жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland Disappointing. EU makes the strangest demands
@user-mh6jy9ho9k 4 жыл бұрын
@@CoolSilver The is not a strange demand at all. This regulation protects you privacy and possibly your job. Most countries have the same regulation, especially China. In addition China requires the government to have access to all that data all the time without giving any justification to anybody. And that's not conspiracy, that's actual law you can look up. Hurts me to see uninformed people like you bashing the EU for no good reason. That's how stupid shit like brexit starts.
@manolexing68 4 жыл бұрын
It’s not that anything produced in China is not good. It’s that there hasn’t been enough Chinese models tested here. Also, one has admit that relative to all the models that are tested here, Tesla is just a couple of notches above them (including German models).
@AOTanoos22 4 жыл бұрын
Man Jaovisidha In terms of efficiency yes, but in terms of battery management i think Audi, Porsche are doing better.
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