MG4 EV Very Long Run to Cardiff - 240 miles in mixed conditions - will it need a charge to get home?

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Burl Solomons

Burl Solomons

Күн бұрын

It's back to Uni time. Three years ago I attempted this journey in a Kia Soul (2020) first edition. That car has a similar sized battery to the MG4, but I had to charge on the way back. This time, with an EV optimised route, can I make it there and back with a reasonable safety margin to guarantee not running out?

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@marcbissell5186
@marcbissell5186 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for both this video and all your tips and tricks. I picked up my trophy LR last Thursday and your information has been priceless. Marc.
@danuk2005
@danuk2005 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great video
@sergiogaroe
@sergiogaroe 4 ай бұрын
Really good job. I like your clear and useful reviews.We've just adquired a MG4 Luxury and we've very excited waiting for it. I live in Canary Islands. Thank you very much sir.
@chrispenn715
@chrispenn715 9 ай бұрын
I did much the same trip in reverse last week with my MG4 (Cardiff to Beaulieu and back) - although I stopped overnight near Basingstoke to see family. My distance travelled was longer as a result of course.... I got about 3.9 miles per Kwh with more motorway, so did have to charge. It helps that my relatives also have a home charger, so I did top up for a few hours there. Well done on your miles per Kwh!
@Thebrainymonkey
@Thebrainymonkey 11 күн бұрын
I did Cardiff - Redruth / Redruth - Cardiff in my standard Model 3 with no problems. In fact because the family wanted to stop at Exeter services both ways, I decided to do a bit of a top-up. The car was ready well before they were ready to carry on. Sadly the return journey took 8 hrs as the bridge was closed causing huge tailbacks on the M5. Grrrr.
@shaunwilding4509
@shaunwilding4509 6 ай бұрын
After much research (days and weeks) I've gone for an EV. MG4 standard range, thanks to content from yourself and a few others. You have really educated me about the ease of EVs and put many fears ro rest . Thabks to content like this i understand that 99% of my journeys over a year will never see "range anxiety", or to be honest a need me to even hink about it charging and my life will not change one bit other than saving in excess of £100 per month in diesel. The other 1% of journeys are 2/3 times a year and involve the family ( myself, wife and two young children), and despite my best efforts we can never go more than 2hrs in the car without the need for someone to need the toilet etc, and these stops are always 20 mins by the time everyone has faffed. So hooking the car up to get a charge while we are refreshing is sensible, no hardship at all and requires no more thought than planning which services to use rather than diving into one when we all feel like it.
@ibez07
@ibez07 Ай бұрын
wowzers
@redjohn20001
@redjohn20001 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, very informative. I expected to see less range for the lower 50% of the battery, but that did not seem to be the case.
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
If anything, I have found that most guess-o-meters are more pessimistic when the battery is full. On my 2012 Leaf (yes, I really was an EV pioneer, there were less than 1000 EVs on the roads when I started with them!) the first of the 12 bars of range equated to around 3 miles and the last around 5 miles. I guess they are trying to influence you psychologically to charge sooner rather than later.
@markbray3038
@markbray3038 9 ай бұрын
Very useful as I own one 2.
@Rufus2005f1
@Rufus2005f1 9 ай бұрын
Fantastic vid Burl, very impressed with that range
@keithshayle7027
@keithshayle7027 5 ай бұрын
4.6 miles per kWh is excellent, even in those mild conditions. I have a Genesis Electrified G80 which is a large executive saloon with an 87.7 KWh battery and I would struggle to see much over 4 miles per kWh.
@user-sc1rz9tj5w
@user-sc1rz9tj5w 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video- good info for EV driving on long journeys. I believe your average speed for the journey was about 40mph which is not fast but in fairness you seemed to keep up with traffic. Keeping a lower average speed is probably the most important parameter in maximising efficiency achieved. For info on our motorways 120kph I keep my speed at about 103kph to avoid an unnecessary drain on my EV battery- Cupra Born 😊
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
100% right. My average on the whole run was 37mph. That included quite a few stationary minutes, which does bring the average down. Most of the time I couldn't legally go any faster or was held up by traffic.
@TsukiAkarii
@TsukiAkarii 7 ай бұрын
The more I see of this car, the better it seems to my use case. I live in tiny Barbados just 166 square miles so this can easily take me across the whole island 2-3 times. With solar charging it just seems to be really smart purchase. Ps. I agree cross country driving is way more fun than freeway.
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 7 ай бұрын
That's good to hear. Are they available in Barbados yet?
@Clove_Parma
@Clove_Parma 9 ай бұрын
Just a heads up Burl, it’s apparently very easy to add a USB port in the dome light area to power dashcams, would recommend if the cable down causes annoyance
@johnsayles2235
@johnsayles2235 8 ай бұрын
How do you add a USB port?
@billienomates7100
@billienomates7100 8 ай бұрын
Now MG just needs to sell the Trophy without that silly pointless spoiler. It does nothing for the car and only increases drag. The fact you can't order the SE Long Range with the Trophy equipment outside that is a silly choice on their point.
@user-ec7dc7hh9o
@user-ec7dc7hh9o 8 ай бұрын
Err NO the spoiler is great.
@decimal1815
@decimal1815 3 ай бұрын
Agreed. Would be great to have the Trophy equipment with the LFP battery. Spoiler looks like a teenage wet dream but most people just want a simple classic design.
@chrisnewman7281
@chrisnewman7281 25 күн бұрын
A lot of people are moving over to a better route planner tethered to OBD dongle so that their stop over calculations are linked to the point in time state of their charge. Does zip map works similarly.
@fenegroni
@fenegroni 9 ай бұрын
In the user manual MG recommends that once every 3 to 6 months you perform a charge from less than 10% to 100%.
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
The car is supposed to remind you to perform a full charge to 100% with an information message when it needs a battery balance.
@chillax411
@chillax411 9 ай бұрын
My accumulated average is sitting at 3.6 m/kwh after just over 1k miles. Not amazing, but i don't drive very carefully as i don't see the point of driving an EV if you're not going to use the superior acceleration to your advantage. Plus it's just more fun. I only worry about having range when i do those longer trips. Manchester to London Heathrow and back is going to be a challenge in December. Going off the WLTP I should be able to make it just barely without charging, but with the temperature that doesn't seem likely so there are a few rapid charging stations I've bookmarked along the last bits of the M40.
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
In colder weather, driving slowly uses more energy for heating, so the balance between going faster and rapid charging more often vs slow and higher range is even tighter. I'd be expecting to charge on your Heathrow run in the winter! Aim to be no lower than 10%, at least that gives you 20 miles worth of options if your preferred charge point is out of order.
@andrewguy8599
@andrewguy8599 9 ай бұрын
Nice to see how easily it did that journey without needing to charge, cracking average miles / kWh. Quick question if you don't mind , is that Google navigation native to the car or via Android auto / apple carplay? Looking forward to getting my trophy next month👍
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
The Trophy has its own built in Nav, but I always use Android Auto on the infotainment screen. Incidentally, the nav directions can't be displayed on the driving instrument screen
@dean7442
@dean7442 9 ай бұрын
I'd recommend a Motorola MA1. Enables easy wireless AA or CarPlay. So you can keep your phone in your pocket or elsewhere and not have to connect it each time. The MG4 only has wired AA & CarPlay. Enjoy your new car.
@honestjohn6222
@honestjohn6222 9 ай бұрын
Great video, what size battery has the MG , and what size pv system have you , cheers
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
The battery is generally considered as 62KWh useable. I have a 4KWP solar setup on the house and 7KWP on the garage, with 20KWh battery storage on each.
@mattstambach5401
@mattstambach5401 7 ай бұрын
This is really interesting. How did you manage to get such a high m/kWh figure? Other videos I've watched seem to only get 3-3.5 m/kWh? Was it because you avoided the motorway?
@cjmillsnun
@cjmillsnun 26 күн бұрын
Exactly that. Motorways and dual carriageways at 70MPH reduce efficiency. going between 50 and 60 pushes the efficiency up
@jamesbarker7145
@jamesbarker7145 3 ай бұрын
About 10 mins in - it's too many cars in urban areas that made it take 7 mins to do a mile, not the speed limit.
@I_dont_want_an_at
@I_dont_want_an_at 9 ай бұрын
32kph in all built up areas? How built up is built up?
@midinotes
@midinotes 9 ай бұрын
Looks a great car, though at least on the video the road noise on the motorway seemed quite excessive.
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
Most of that is fan noise from constantly having to demist the screen!
@dean7442
@dean7442 9 ай бұрын
Interesting video. Did you use default driving mode and regeneration settings (Normal & 3) ?, and are those your preferred settings?
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
Yes to both questions!
@garywise1378
@garywise1378 8 ай бұрын
@@BurlSolomonswould you not recommend ECO mode? Any reason you didn’t choose that for this journey? Thanks (I’ve had my MG4 LR for 5 days)
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 8 ай бұрын
@@garywise1378 I have had electric cars since the first Leaf in 2012. Back then, with a limited range of 80 miles max and hardly any chargers available, eco mode could make the difference between getting home and being stranded. The compromises of eco mode are too great. Reduced heating and ventilation, reduced performance. The Zoes I had wouldn't do more than 60 in eco mode and took ages to get there. I like the car to behave the way I expect it to when I switch on the heater or put my foot down, eco mode alters that.
@garywise1378
@garywise1378 8 ай бұрын
Good to know. Thanks for that.
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 8 ай бұрын
@@garywise1378 you have a minimum of 200 miles in winter conditions, so my opinion is keep it in standard mode and start looking for a charger when you have 50 miles range left. Always have a second choice location available in case of faulty chargers.
@keithreynolds
@keithreynolds 9 ай бұрын
Hi, if it was 7mins at 20mph, how long would it have taken at 30mph? With traffic would it have made any appreciable difference to the experience of the drive? Isn't it just something we'll get used to? I just hope that it's only 20mph where it needs to be for genuine pedestrian safety.
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
Blanket 20 mph limit everywhere with few exceptions. Traffic couldn't get off the 50mph dual carriageway fast enough so was backing up on the new 20mph limited main roads into town
@keithreynolds
@keithreynolds 9 ай бұрын
@@BurlSolomons Hopefully will "bed-in" and become normal. Perhaps there should be more exceptions. Thanks for the video.
@logant6490
@logant6490 9 ай бұрын
You must have a light right foot, I average 4.4 at best in my SE LR... 😅
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
More like slow traffic on the A roads, 50mph speed limits all along the M4 through Newport and Cardiff areas, tyre pressures adjusted up to max permitted, and careful use of vehicles in front for aero efficiency!
@andrewstafford-jones4291
@andrewstafford-jones4291 9 ай бұрын
Is that all your daughter is taking ?? When my 2 daughter were at uni, the Skoda Estates was rammed to the roof!! (Octavia and Superb)
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
She's pretty good really. Small rooms in the uni houses.
@andrewstafford-jones4291
@andrewstafford-jones4291 9 ай бұрын
Made no difference if it was just Halls of residence or house !@@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
@@andrewstafford-jones4291 my sons were worse, the oldest especially, but they have always driven themselves after 1st year.
@theboffin1
@theboffin1 9 ай бұрын
I can't get over 3.7 in my MG4 Trophy, and I have strong regen, use normal or eco, and don't really drive much on motorways. I'm baffled!
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
I averaged 4 between Christmas and yesterday over 3000 miles, with a lot of short journeys and a few motorway trips.
@adrianguggisberg3656
@adrianguggisberg3656 9 ай бұрын
⁠@@BurlSolomonsI averaged 3.57 in 2023 over 10k miles with my 77kWh RWD Ioniq 5. My average speed was 42. I mostly drive in Switzerland and France, and I always use motorways if possible. I can safely do 200 miles going 82mph in Switzerland and 90mph in France in any weather that allows this speed. Then I can recharge 60 miles in 5 minutes and 120 miles in 10 minutes. So we're talking about three and a half hours of constantly driving 90, with a ten minute break. In reality it's almost always around four hours of hammering on the motorway, because of speed limits, construction, péage etc. Driving on the motorway has several advantages: not adding to through traffic in towns and villages on the route, traffic safety, less tiring to name a few. And I figure since I'm on the motorway allready, I may as well hammer it. However, things are different if the car charges slow or its range is poor.
@adrianguggisberg3656
@adrianguggisberg3656 9 ай бұрын
@theboffin1 You're not driving efficiently. Driving efficiently isn't driving slow. It's a lot about anticipating traffic, driving at a constant speed, no braking, no accelerating. Use the speed limiter at all times. Driving at 30 constantly improves efficiency by 0.1m/kWh, compared to oscilating between 29 and 31. Do not use ACC, unless you are on the motorway. Use the lowest regen level your car has, or auto-regen, if your car has that feature.
@declanosullivan8749
@declanosullivan8749 7 ай бұрын
Real world driving would have been on the motorway though and going fastest route like normal people do? Most people won't go cross country roads, risk meeting tractors and being delayed even further etc and then you've got the potholes, loose chirpings damaging your car , bushes sticking out on the road and the wear and tear on the car from taking those roads regularly
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 7 ай бұрын
The round trip journey is 70 miles further by motorway /dual carriageway. It takes 10 minutes longer each way going cross-country. I would therefore have been required to stop for a charge at some point on the return leg. This would undoubtedly have taken more than 20 minutes, and cost an arm and a leg at a public rapid charger. So actually the lower speed route takes less time. I also find little so boring as motorway driving, and if there is a serious accident on a motorway or dual carriageway you are totally stuck until it is cleared by the emergency services, which can take many hours. On a single lane road, you can always just turn around and find another route. Plenty of potholes / deep scoring and grooves on the M3 / M27, I have to constantly keep back to spot them and then weave around them to avoid when on my motorbike.
@JohnsonLuvie123
@JohnsonLuvie123 4 ай бұрын
Why why Roads in England are really really small ?
@cjmillsnun
@cjmillsnun 26 күн бұрын
because they are very very old based on old farming routes and each side of the road the land belongs to someone.
@JohnsonLuvie123
@JohnsonLuvie123 26 күн бұрын
@@cjmillsnun Fair enough..I can imagine
@jameslewis6060
@jameslewis6060 7 ай бұрын
which model??
@SNORKYMEDIA
@SNORKYMEDIA Ай бұрын
trophy LR - he did say
@MrMlyarber
@MrMlyarber 9 ай бұрын
In the states, driving 120 km per hour ( on the Freeways) I bet you will not get that type of range. We drive fast here...lol.
@cjmillsnun
@cjmillsnun 26 күн бұрын
120 km/h is 74. Our speed limit on motorways is 70. We drive in MPH here same as you do.
@stephencrowther524
@stephencrowther524 9 ай бұрын
The infotainment screen seems rather laggy.
@I_dont_want_an_at
@I_dont_want_an_at 9 ай бұрын
don't drive like a miser just because you've got an EV. It's up to the company to build an efficient car, then we drive it however we feel like and deal with the consequences. It'll be a great shame if we become misers
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
It depends on whether time is more important to you than money. I could have saved 8 minutes each way going the A34 and M4 route, driving much faster and averaging 55mph, but I would have travelled 60 miles further and used the entire battery and then some. That would have meant a minimum 20 minute charging stop, so the journey would have taken longer. It's not about being a miser, it's about being efficient. As I said, I don't see how I could have done the journey any faster in any other car.
@mistymu8154
@mistymu8154 9 ай бұрын
I have started driving slower since I got an EV. When you factor in traffic and even without, going say 80 mph over say 70 mph does not make a whole bunch of difference in the total time my journey, the range also improves. I do draw the line at turning off AC and heating though, I still want to travel in comfort.
@mistymu8154
@mistymu8154 9 ай бұрын
I have started driving slower since I got an EV. When you factor in traffic and even without, going say 80 mph over say 70 mph does not make a whole bunch of difference in the total time my journey, the range also improves. I do draw the line at turning off AC and heating though, I still want to travel in comfort.
@cjmillsnun
@cjmillsnun 26 күн бұрын
@@mistymu8154 I'll turn off the AC/heating if the ambient temperature means I don't need it. Otherwise it stays on.
@issachunt3418
@issachunt3418 9 ай бұрын
Great vid mate. Thinking of getting the Trophy version of this in March. I'm a newbie to EVs. How much is it to charge a car from home overnight vs going to fill up a petrol car?
@BurlSolomons
@BurlSolomons 9 ай бұрын
I recently fixed for a year with Eon Next Drive tariff, which gives you 7 hours cheap rate electricity from approx midnight to 7am for the entire house including the car charger. You need a smart meter to get the best rates. I pay 9.5p per KWh, which is around 2.5p per mile. £4.75 gives me around 200 miles. A gallon of petrol is currently £7.30....
@issachunt3418
@issachunt3418 9 ай бұрын
@@BurlSolomons Thanks
@oorya1780
@oorya1780 9 ай бұрын
Nice video, however as I drive a diesel car I would have taken the dual carriageway and M4 if there were no problems showing as I much prefer driving on dual carriageways and motorways as I feel they are much safer to drive on so I think having to drive longer and on crappy single carriageway road is a pretty sad indictment of having an electric car and having to hunt out charging sites whereas fuel stations are just about around every corner.
@mattstambach5401
@mattstambach5401 7 ай бұрын
Difference is I suppose is in the cost. As he hadn't needed to use public charging lets assume he charged his car at home on the cheapest possible charge platform (7.5p per kWh). 233 miles at 4.6m/kWh is 50.65kw/h of energy used. It will have cost him just £3.79 to make that journey. If you used the motorway, you'd cover 278 miles. In a diesel car doing a very conservative 60mpg, you would need 4.63 gallons of diesel to make the journey. At a cost of £1.60 per L (£7.26 per gallon) you'd be looking at a cost of £33.61 for the same journey. Nearly 10x more expensive...
@cjmillsnun
@cjmillsnun 26 күн бұрын
Funny I prefer country lanes. They're more fun.
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