I think the Trophy definitely has a bit lower efficiency than the regular LR.

70-75 is that you're way of saying 80ish

The 30kwh Nissan Leaf is a terrible car, we had one for 5 nearly 6 years and summer range went from 110 miles to 70 miles even with the BMS updates and 11 of 12 battery bars (it went up to 12 bars after the update for about 4 months but the range got worse after that). I'm glad you got rid of the Leaf like we did.

@@oliverskinner8962 I had mine for six years and at the end had all battery bars. The car was great no problem with reliability and could do 120easy when I traded her in.

​@@fastfreddy19641EV driving style can make a big difference in user experience. I'm still a newbie but I'm learning to regulate my "gas" and get much improved efficiency.

Thanks Stephen much appreciated. Congrats on ya Long Range!

Thank you! Cheers!

No chance of a replacement for Ioniq 38……..gutted. Love my 38, had an mg4 lr se for 3 weeks but wasn’t a patch on the Hyundai with the leaks, undertray not fitting, software bugs, inefficiency etc. shame, the ride was great and fast charging excellent in the 1200 miles I did.

@@ianjames3078 yeah, there were a lot of rumours about an Ioniq 3 that got delayed by the pandemic, the 3 being the true replacement for the OG Ioniq. Honestly the MG is a nice car, but the Ioniqs were kings of efficiency, had great specs, and were well laid out in terms of kit. My only real caveats with the car were the lack of rear wiper (present on the MG4 also), gloss plastics everywhere, and Hyundai's sometimes poor customer service. The fact you can now do the software/maps updates yourself, except for the deeper firmware on the engine components reduces your need to even visit Hyundai. Honestly if the Ioniq 3 ever materialises, I will be very interested. 210-220 miles on a 38.3KwH just highlights how inefficient many EVs are by comarison, the MG Trophy does have longer range 200-270, but its taking a 61.8KwH battery to do it. 25% more range for 50% more battery. The MG is a decent drive, but it has a ton of software bugs, the LKA/TJA is borderline dangerous on english roads, so I tend to turn the TJA off, and its just plain inefficient by contrast. The bluetooth also has a real bad habit of refusing to connect, and it seems to be because the MG randomly completely changes MAC address on the Bluetooth, which is just stupid. More frustratingly, the OTA updates which could be used to resolve many of these bugs overnight, are not being used, and you have to get booked in with MG to get any updates they will give you.

Ioniq is a great car, I think it still has a place but it’s not an SUV which is what the market craves. I have been living with a Kona electric and an Ioniq 5 for a few weeks and they are fantastic. Kona would suit anyone jumping into an EV, I have fallen in love with the Ioniq 5. Styling, comfort and charging is on the money

It’s amazing how much 10mph makes.

Thanks for the heads up on the 40k servicing cost. That's the first I have heard of that. If there were no other servicing costs. £500 spread over 40,000 miles is a negligible amount, but still a shock when they hand you the bill, if your not expecting it. £250 for the coolant seems expensive. What are they using, vodka?

That’s fantastic! I’m also heading to Europe in a few months looking forward to it. I wonder what it’s top speed is? I’m not convinced about MG and their marketing lol

Given that Germany using a lot of coal for electricity, bunnies still getting gassed.

What speed was that at? It must have been 50-60mph max - Considering this MG (fairly similar), pretty much perfect conditions did 3.4m/kwh

@@markburton8303 no 75 until I hit the 50mph zones norm 5mph over the limit unless traffic doesn’t allow. I’ve been very impressed with my Niro.

@@Ray.842 sounds great tbh. I've got a chance of an Enyaq (which is a bit of a beast), the 80kwh big battery version and theoretical range of 320miles. But, it's on the VW architecture that seems to do about 3.4miles/kwh at best. That's not to be sniffed at, but you are monstering that. What average m/kwh are you getting?

@@markburton8303 atm I’m getting 4.3 m/kwh the best I’ve ever got and it’s only ever been twice, I’ve had my car 31/2 years is 6.0 but it was very warm 25 ish degrees in the summer I normally get 5-5.4 ( summer time) thats all local driving not motorway.

Trophy also gets auto folding side mirrors. If I'm buying an expensive car, this is a must have honestly.

Thanks for tuning in and commenting. Oh gosh sounds like you managed it like a pro, so well done! 👍

Hi mark I assume you’re referring to efficiency? Having said that with the exception of Tesla M3, even the efficient Korean cars are very similar

@@stuart_thomas thats the word I could not think of thanks. Efficiency around town and slower A roads its fine for us.

@@stuart_thomas this car does ~3-4 average KwH, during summer my Ioniq Premium SE 38.3 could achieve 4.5-5.5 quite regularly, averaging 5 or so, and sometimes even in region of 6 or so, and it was a noticeable jump, even at motorway speeds. Best I ever saw was about 220 miles roughly in that thing on one 38.3kwh usable battery charge, which makes this 61.8 battery car seem pretty dissapointing, given its averaging slightly less miles for many driving loads, with a battery thats over 50% larger. Dont get me wrong, the average range on the MG4 61.8 usable is higher, but not proportionally so, although I am aware I was a bit spoilt by the Ioniq gen 1 and 2 as they are amongst the most efficient electrics full stop. If Hyundai had released a refactored Ioniq with no changes over the G2 but with a 60kwH battery, I'd have been all over it, as would many IoniqEV owners I'd guess. I'd have considered moving to the Telsa M3 as one of the other efficiency leaders, but I just couldn't justify the much higher price tag.

I hear it has the rear wiper although I thing you’ll rarely use it - perhaps in winter if you’re reversing???? Congrats on your trophy

Thanks for the wonderful comments. I have range tested the long range M3 in winter which you can find on the channel

I have in the SE standard range - check it out 👍

No issue with exterior facials even at 18 months

Thanks for the comment. I have just range tested an e-up in my used EV series and it didn’t get above 4 mi p/kWh at 70mph, but like you said below that it does incredibly well

Thanks for tuning in. I have a separate charging video 👍

Thanks for the feedback and great question. Of course its my opinion, the LFP battery works at a lower voltage so less heat generation and therefore is more robust (longevity wise). It can be charged to 100% as often as you like. It also has a x3-4 cycle longer life than in the NCM (long range & trophy) battery pack. Having looked at the results of both range tests an 80% daily charged NCM and a 100% LFP battery results in similar range. However, there are some trade offs worth mentioning. The Trophy/long range battery can charger faster than LFP and it can be more efficient in cold weather (below 5•c) but MG4 comes with battery heating to help with this. I hope that helps.

Brilliant thanks

Wheels look fab - although I have no issue with rear wiper you may as well have it for the same price point

Bigger central screen?

Extended range version available now 😊

That’s great specs. Any EV struggles at 70mph, I’ve now completed testing of most EVs and they all fall well below expectation at 70mph. Quite right about the figures, I was taking the lowest temp of the trophy test which was 19•c 👍

Great suggestion!

That’s correct, there will be some penalty for this.

As a regular M5 driver I would prefer a minimum speed limit of 60mph

I somehow don't think you would be very popular with the truckers causing them more than necessary lane changes.

@@PeterMossUkulele to be fair, as a retired truck driver, I never had any problems with cars doing 50 mph, the ones that did 56 mph because the fuel figures were based on that, making them think that had to be the most economical speed were the bain of my life. Just slightly slower than me as speedos are never really accurate, meaning I either had to sit behind them changing my speed all the time, or spend an age overtaking them. Invariably it would depend on how tight my schedule was, but these cars seemed to be more prolific when I was pushed for time ;-)

Hi Steve, there isn’t great opportunity to perform this safely, however I have done a 60mph if this is of use which is on my channel

I’ve done this at 60 in the standard range version of the MG4

The cost would always depend on someone's circumstances, if charging at home using solar, it could be free, if using the chargers on the motorways, you could pay nearly double that of an equivalent charger in a nearby town. I think it is fair to say that using the most expensive chargers would see a cost close to running an ICE car.

@@Jimages_uk Thanks for responding. Just taking the Solar power charge at home out of the equation, I'm trying to gauge with the extra cost of purchasing the EV car against a similar sized ICE car and the cost of charging at home overnight from the household supply, would I save against putting fuel in. I also like to change my car after 3-4 years and cover on average 12k miles per year. Is the EV economically worth it or would it be a case of just going green? - I believe the compromise is to have a self charging hybrid.

Hi Peter 95% of my charging (including for this test) was done at home on my Octopus Go tariff at 9p p/kWh which is around £5.

@@PeterMossUkulele If you can charge at home, then the running costs go down considerably, doing 12K per year, you would probably be charging around twice a week, you can get as low as 15 pence per KWH on a night time rate, but you would pay slightly more for the day rate, so it takes a bit of working out. Servicing is almost nonexistent in an EV, so that can save you money. I think that currently, it is close to a break even cost, once you factor in the cost of the car, resale and replacement prices, but so many factors change things, where you live affects the cost of charging, but as you can charge at home, you are almost certainly on the winning side (just) with an EV today, taking everything into account, had your mileage been much less, then I'm not so sure.

@@Jimages_uk Thank you for your comprehensive response. Peter.

Real world 70mph test on Kona coming up soon in my buy used series

Thanks for the comments - I have range tested the e-up and it’s not very efficient on motorways at 70mph however, at sub 60mph and especially around town it’s fantastically efficient. Great little car. It is hard to compare the two as they’re very different cars.

Many thanks for the great comments and congrats on your Trophy order. Unfortunately I don’t have access to the vehicle at the moment, I think your trophy is much more likely to arrive first sorry

@@stuart_thomas Oh no, what's happened to it?!

@@deadlockvlogs I actually own a SE SR which is currently in storage while I’m testing other EVs, I don’t have space at home unfortunately. But it will be coming back out in the next couple of weeks for a short while

@@stuart_thomas That's good news then. I thought something bad had happened to the car!

Don’t really use it as the car always starts in most aggressive regen

@@stuart_thomas I thought it would be better to coast at some points but that's probably me thinking how ICE cars drive. I've only test driven an ev car once and I became quickly aware how much the accelerator was where all the control was due to the regen braking.

I mean you can do this if you tweak the regen to adaptive, it should freewheel on motorways but like you said your throttle is key. On these tests, I try to keep it consumer focused rather than too scientific as no one drives or reads car data in a scientific way but everyone should know the limitations with thinks like range and safety. I have a road trip to today and my 70mph test means I know the minimum it will achieve

@@gibroon4418 No, you are right, it is better to coast where possible. Round trip efficiency of [regen + more acceleration] is lower than just coasting.

Thanks and that’s a great POV and I agree.

@@stuart_thomas The charging speed and acceleration however is much better.

Depends on charger cost. Battery capacity x £/p-kWh = overall cost

Daytime running lights were on, they come on automatically. Most EVs and modern petrol/diesels use LED lights and don’t use much energy.

@@stuart_thomas Good to know thanks mate .

My guess is 20% less

Completely agree. Tesla have nailed the efficiency game and they will only get better as they make that car lighter and better motor/battery performance. LFP is definitely the way forward and Tesla have proved it can work.

A fair slab of tesla efficiency is drag coefficient. Many people don't want a unpractical pseudo sports car

If you want more efficient it will look like a cockroach and cost a fortune. See Hyundai Ioniq 6 and Merc EQXX or similar. 8kwH per 100km or 13kwH per hundred miles. They are low sleek and have woeful rear vision. Pick your poison

If I can get my hands on one I will.

Hi Rick, I’ve had the trophy on test and have been living with it for 10 days. Not ready part with my se standard just yet 😉

@@stuart_thomas maybe the X-power that’s less than 4 seconds to 60. I’d trade my SR for that

i've found LiNMC, thanks

It’s the NMC battery

Seats are average height and can be adjusted. In terms of rear seats, they’re quite high for an EV as the battery modules are quite flat in this car

@@stuart_thomas thanks

Correct 👍 although depending on ownership model on the trophy, if it’s a lease then I don’t think charging to 100% merits that thinking but I’d imagine for most it would be the likely consideration. It’s also worth nothing LFP Chem has 3-4 times more life cycles like for like considering degradation.

Yes - it's about £5k, but you also get more kit - which may or may not be important to you. (It was for me...) 🙂

No, when energy saving mode is enabled you can only use full regen

You will die of boredom and put yourself at risk, not having a clear view of the road ahead. Here, speaks an Hgv1 driver of 33 years experience 😂

yea you're probably right haha@@chrisminigp2109

Depends where you charge it. Worst case scenario 0-100% battery recharge - MG4 Long Range 64kWh battery… At home on an EV tariff, 7p pkWh (64 x £0.07) £4.48 Public general 79p pkWh (64 x £0.79) £50.56 Tesla charger 39p pkWh (64 x £0.39) £24.96

Hi Mike - I have done a 60mpg test with the set standard range - I’m sure the difference I’ve guestimated in range difference between the two will be the same for 60mph

@@stuart_thomas OK, I'll check it out. Cheers.

I’ve 70mph range tested the eNiro and it doesn’t do that great. The video’s on my channel. Mixed driving it’s great

Although it doesn’t have the efficiency of a Tesla 3/Y (they will always be the benchmark) this car isn’t designed to compete with Tesla at this price point. On the other hand It also offers V2L, it’s compact but spacious and it holds 140kw charge up to 50%. Not bad for this price.

Tesla borg. You will assimilate and buy elons tat.

Why even compare 2 cars with a massive price difference

I appreciate your point of view which is of many. I’d only ask what your daily use case is. For example I drive 300 miles per week, plus quite a few long trips. All my charging is done over night and costs £5 to charge my car to full. My costs are £7 a week. My annual maintenance is £150. I also had a big diesel car as well having the best of both worlds. The real answer is, I never drove the big diesel because I save a fortune and the electric car is much more fun to drive. Of course this is my opinion and use case but I’d definitely suggest test driving one if it fits into your daily use. This car will drive do at least 4 hours of driving in one charge and it takes 27 mins to recharge most of the battery (if you need that much) which is a toilet and coffee stop.

@@stuart_thomas Thank you for your reply but you haven't taken into account if there is a fast charger that's empty when you get to the charging point so you would have to make allowances for that. Also, I see you didn't mention how much it cost to charge away from your home. My servicing for the 12km per year I do costs around 100UK and it's only that because I service the car every 5000 km and not the 10,000 KM they recommend. It could be as low as 50 UK if I serviced it when it was recommended. That on its own makes up for the fuel and inconvenience + planning you have to do whilst traveling long distances costs. Sorry, you haven't convinced me so I'll stick to my Diesel Lump.

I daily a cheap second hand leaf, on night rates i use about half a litre of diesel per 60 miles equivalent! In 4 years its paid it`self off in fuel difference. Evs rock for city use. I kept my old dino juicer for occasional long trips , evs second hand and for city use rock !

So what you are telling us is that you can drive for, at least, eight and a half hours with just a 5 minute break from the wheel. That is just completely dangerous and I’d say, impossible, bladder wise and nutritionally wise! I don’t know where you live but doing “well over 70 mph” in the U.K. is illegal. I feel there is a little bovine excrement in your post. Regarding costs, the first 300 miles (half your journey) would be done on a charge from home at (in my case) £0.094 per kWh far, far cheaper per mile than diesel. The return would cost me about £27 (Gridserve) cheaper if you can use a Tesla charger. As Stuart_thomas points out, the return journey can be done with a half hour charge. That’s lunch and a loo break. (Oh, I forgot, you don’t eat or urinate ) There is no “Agro” finding a charger. The car or a number of apps will point you in the direction of a free and working one. The vast majority of my ‘refuelling’ is done whilst I’m asleep. How many “5 minute fills” do you have to give your diesel every year? I bet you waste far more of your life refuelling your vehicle than I do. Tell us, do you always pull right up to a pump every time or sometimes, do you have to queue?

@@fredob4315-20£ to do 200-350 miles On public chargers…cheaper than diesel by far. If it fits your use case.