Miami Condo Collapse: Where's Security Camera Videos? 911 Calls?

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In this video, your host Jeff Ostroff analyses 2 videos of exclusive inside the parking garage of the Champlain Towers South, site of the Miami Condo collapse and gives you a frame by frame explanation of what yu are seeing, and all the damage on the ceilings, and water leaks on the floors. How does it all lead to the final collapse of the building? Watch our root cause and failure analysis to determine how the Champlain Towers South Condo building collapsed on Jun 24, 2021.
This condo collapse analysis shows where all the leaking and damaged areas are in the garage, and plots them on the garage parking map for you see where the danger zone was located. One video was recorded in July 2020, a year before the collapse by a prospective buyer of unit 611 in the condo building, and searched the garage for the assigned parking space #17. Another video was recorded in 2018 by Raysa Rodriguez, a resident concerned over the pooling water on the garage floor. We also show you video just moments before the now infamous Miami Condo Collapse.
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The Champlain Towers South condo complex collapse was located at 8777 Collins Ave. in Surfside, FL, which is just north of Miami beach.
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@jamesdellaneve9005 2 жыл бұрын

What a stark difference between the lobby and the parking garage. That Italian woman who declined to buy a unit after seeing it was smart.

@cyndianderson7056 2 жыл бұрын

And smart for keeping the footage. It's so important right now. Who knew it would be needed for something like this. Crazy.

@preetis6246 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, the association was more focused on cosmetic repairs instead of the more expensive structural repairs. Just paint the garage instead of addressing the issue of why is there water leaking from the ceilings . Kicking the proverbial can down the road.

@colleenkerr4237 2 жыл бұрын

@@cyndianderson7056 there's ALWAYS a reason 4 why we do the things we do!! Just don't know it at the time. Glad she kept the video though A YR LATER!!

@johnallenrichter 2 жыл бұрын

Was she smart or just lucky? Her video didn't appear to be focused on the spaulding ceiling concrete that was saturated with chlorine or salt water. And STALAGTITES? I think most of us would have looked past what engineers can clearly see is corrosion. That's what makes this so tragic. Because engineers did see it before the collapse and warned the condo board. And the in-place 40 year inspection rule was clearly violated. This was a preventable tragedy for sure. But we are lucky to have her video so this sort of chincy management can be avoided in the future.

@denverdubois5835 2 жыл бұрын

I was amazed at that video. Not just at the horrible maintenance but that they didn't even try to hide it. It's like they thought nobody would ever look around the garage...hello, people have cars, they park there every day. Just amazing. I can honestly say I've never seen such a blatantly decrepit parking garage in all my days--not even the 1940s era one in downtown San Francisco where my parents used to park so we could go shopping. Literally 1940s, and it looked in much better shape than the CT garage. And when you consider that the CT parking garage comprised the structural underpinnings of the building, well, if I'd been looking at a unit there, not only would I not have bought it, I would've reported that building to the city, county and anyone who would listen. Terrifying.

@echopapacharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Given how well the HOA funded the maintenance of the building over the years, it would not surprise me at all if it turned out those cameras or recording equipment were not in working order.

@michelleb7399 2 жыл бұрын

Possibly, but the cynic in me says that the wealthier people in places like these would put their money on being protected by outsiders…. Those who may trespass onto their property for whatever reason. They want to make sure non-residents aren’t using their pool, walking on their walkways, etc.

@phandcorp 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe.. with the buildings we manage for cameras we get regular requests to look up video for things stolen or damaged or if there is a dispute or some sort of crime. If residents find out the cameras were not working regularly then residents would be pissed off with the board and action would most likely happen. This is my experience.

@tropicallymixed. 2 жыл бұрын

@@michelleb7399 You guys give the HOA too much credit. I live in a condo and pay HOA fees and I have no idea if the cameras facing the front door works. No clue.

@cristinap6394 2 жыл бұрын

@@tropicallymixed. The ask! Make sure you do know! So that if they are not working you can then petition for part of your HOA fees back if it is supposed to cover security cameras. I would never live somewhere that had cameras and never know if they were not working... Let alone be paying into an HOA for it. ASK!

@tropicallymixed. 2 жыл бұрын

@@cristinap6394 You're right.

@modestproposal5624 2 жыл бұрын

I have a strong feeling those "cameras" on the white poles near the pool are just props based on their lack of allocating capital to improve the foundation and overall safety around the building.

@mikefochtman7164 2 жыл бұрын

Sure. After all, as a resident do you want to be video-recorded when you take a dip in the pool? Internal cameras are a dicey topic. We all want to be safe in our homes, but who wants some retired-cop-security type ogling your daughter at the pool??

@rdreese84 2 жыл бұрын

@@mikefochtman7164 Insurance company more than likely requires these cameras around the pool area and it's probably not monitored 24/7.

@user-sq5ko9dp6k 2 жыл бұрын

@@rdreese84 It sounds reasonable.

@NinaEye 2 жыл бұрын

How about someone's daughter goes swimming at 1 AM, gets murdered and no security footage of it?

@jameskeefe1761 2 жыл бұрын

They usually would not do that due to liability issues due to creating a false sense of security. Can lead to lawsuits

@marypetito2635 2 жыл бұрын

My guess: the missing security videos and the security guard are being “muffled” right now because someone is going to be liable for this disaster due to negligence. (Your root cause video was well done.) A 40 year plan to repair an issue in a report from 3 years ago? There will be some wrongful death lawsuits in the future…

@anunknownperson4018 2 жыл бұрын

they payed or underestimated the building

@tahoma6889 2 жыл бұрын

Where do you think the servers were located that save that video? First floor? Basement? Common sense dictates those servers are buried under tons of rubble. Hence, no video from the cameras, yet.

@crowfoot1199 2 жыл бұрын

They are still literally calling the site an active crime scene, so yes, it makes sense that they might limit what evidence gets released. As someone else pointed out, it's also possible that the cameras were only linked to monitors and weren't recording. That was the case in the hotel I used to work at, but that was a good 15 years ago.

@HolyChikin 2 жыл бұрын

Lawsuits have already been filed. The media was complaining about it a week ago because it was “too soon!” Nope… not too soon… people died because of this. More to come I am sure.

@smartcookie493 2 жыл бұрын

There are already more then one lawsuit already. One was filed hours after

@hmarbermudez2660 2 жыл бұрын

I am almost certain that the security camera footage is NOT being released as per legal counsel advising them NOT to. That footage is property of the Association and the board of directors is being told not to release unless of course ordered by the court.

@terrencegillon 2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly the reason. There's a slew of negligence involved and the attorneys representing the HOA and BoD will do whatever they can to make sure those hard drives are kept under lock and key.

@punker4Real 2 жыл бұрын

@@terrencegillon it's kinda hard to hide the evidence that was all ready released.. esp the damning video we have seen of the UGG

@willschultz5452 2 жыл бұрын

I think it doesn't exist. The DVR was destroyed when the office was crushed in the rubble

@willschultz5452 2 жыл бұрын

@@terrencegillon I doubt it. They were destroyed in the collapse

@JasonFlorida 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I mean this could very easily turn into a criminal case with all the deaths.

@frankiefernandez5252 2 жыл бұрын

Had somebody pulled the fire alarm with 7 minutes to spare, could have saved the vast majority of people.

@Xershade 2 жыл бұрын

The issue I have with the person who told the guard to pull the alarm apparently, why didn't they just do it. There's a reason there's these big red switches in most building where ANYONE can reach and pull them. It doesn't make sense that someone THAT concerned would try to find someone else to pull the big red switch unless they didn't have them in which case the hell kind of fire code is that.

@MyPointlessLife83 2 жыл бұрын

Why aren’t these buildings also made to have emergency runs (once or twice a year), to make sure everyone can get out in under a certain amount of time?

@frankiefernandez5252 2 жыл бұрын

@@Xershade good point.

@freq32 2 жыл бұрын

Right? like the security.

@rootbeer2399 2 жыл бұрын

Bruh, people aren't thinking that.

@brnmcc01 2 жыл бұрын

They finally released some of the 911 calls. One that was interesting was a caller that woke up at about 1:17am to some strange noises and looked outside, and saw "the patio area" "the pool area" sinking down. This matches up with what we know so far, and is very close to the timing of the Tiktok tourist video from the hotel pool across the street looking down into the garage.

@lonewolffullmoon 2 жыл бұрын

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@livingsurvival 2 жыл бұрын

There were also loads of cameras in the garage shown in your last video.

@Fiery.Dragon 2 жыл бұрын

@Kimberly_Sparkles 2 жыл бұрын

Given the flooding I'd assume that any cameras cut out when the water flow starts.

@williamhaynes7089 2 жыл бұрын

@@Fiery.Dragon - the office part didn't collapse

@dalemason9886 2 жыл бұрын

I live in South Florida not far from this building and all of them have security cameras and very few record anything, those that actually work are only monitors. These are installed for insurance purposes only have nothing to do with security. As proof the video from a neighbor that captured water pouring out of the ceiling in the garage a few min before the collapse, prior video inside the garage and drawings clearly show was part the fire system in the garage, if this was tied to a properly functioning system the fire alarm system in the building would have been triggered instantly when it detected a drop in line pressure-this how they all work. The good or bad had it been activated more residence made have gotten out on the other side fireman would have gone into the garage to investigate and with no warning trapped in the collapse-end of the day there is no live feed to view

@ih82r8 2 жыл бұрын

@@dalemason9886 That's a good point about the drop in pressure on the fire sprinklers. I wouldn't assume this, but it's possible that this would cause the remaining building sprinklers to drop as well, unless they were on a separate system. But at the least, the alarm should have sounded in the garage and there was no sound on that video filmed by the tourist.

@RoxyReyes 2 жыл бұрын

I hope this video gets someone's attention that can provide answers to your great questions.

@ChrisBX89 2 жыл бұрын

@WestTNConfed 2 жыл бұрын

Lol nice channel content

@PaulJersey 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I am a civil engineer and would love to see a video of the actual deck collapse.

@alphaandomega1332 2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree because what’s about to happen is the blame game.

@PaulJersey 2 жыл бұрын

@@alphaandomega1332 It was a bad design from day one. The inadequate column design was a blatant design error. They can blame anyone they want to at this point, but a design error was the issue.

@ferdburful6352 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t imagine that parking garage had no security cameras.

@E7R1I6C 2 жыл бұрын

There was security cameras per his last video when someone tapes the inside of the garage

@lifeisamatrix5960 2 жыл бұрын

They did there is videos online popping peoppe filmed over the years youncsn see the change and advances in the cams. A former security guard had said the new modern cams were cloud based and dvr local.

@lilacscentedfushias1852 2 жыл бұрын

I watched a video from the entrance yesterday, you could see water running and debris on the ground. It seemed to miss the middle part tho’ so it makes me wonder if it’s been taken for investigation purposes

@Paul-md8ms 2 жыл бұрын

its all crushed the room where the recordings were saved on hard drive are gone

@johnhuber354 2 жыл бұрын

Seriously.

@rainbowtractor 2 жыл бұрын

My dad has been at the sight for the past two weeks as a chaplain. He has been with the families and I’ve been speaking to him every day. He also is constantly going to the sight with the families and is part of the morning briefings. He says that what is going on with the information suppressing is beyond belief. And he is officially a PART of the operation! Not only with information regarding the collapse but even with the coroners and releasing body parts to families. He believes that it is more due to the lack of organization and a central command along with proper lines of communication and information sharing, as is usually the norm is crisis situation as per FEMA training which most emergency workers (including chaplains) must go through. So it may not be intentional rather just bad organization. Regardless the information situation is pretty bad.

@ginal.9847 2 жыл бұрын

must be a stressful situation for him, and could you tell me why on you tube they have a live webcam that runs 24/7 of the workers?

@scottlong7319 2 жыл бұрын

I think putting this on the shoulders of a guy who's making minimum wage at night is reaching.

@jonclement 2 жыл бұрын

the best way to resolution is to fill in the gaps in the timeline of activity

@carolethorn3211 2 жыл бұрын

Why it's the American way of course

@JiubeiKibagami 2 жыл бұрын

The wage has nothing to do with the responsibility. He didnt had to carry stones, just to push a button.

@scottlong7319 2 жыл бұрын

@@JiubeiKibagami money is directly correlated to level of responsibility, which is correlated to level of training, and intelligence. This guy was not a structural engineer.

@blakelacour6889 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! The KZfaq mob has already condemned this person as if they are somehow responsible for the years of neglected repairs (which was the condo owners’ responsibility btw) and the poor design of a pool deck built in the 80s. Give me a break.

@uwekerner3161 2 жыл бұрын

I have a question. There are castles in Europe that we neglected for hundreds of years, survived several wars and they are still standing. And a building in MDC is neglected for 40 years and it collapses.

@KB4QAA 2 жыл бұрын

Uwe: Except all the castles that fell down. And those remaining were not built with economy of construction in mind. It IS possible to design a building that no one can afford to build/buy. p.s. You don't see anyone using those ancient building methods, for very good reasons.

@TrappedinSLC 2 жыл бұрын

Different materials, the castles built poorly have already fallen down, and a lot of them are in pretty bad condition and take a LOT of upkeep. Also castles are often exceptionally over-engineered since they didn’t have models/etc. so you have stuff like 3 yard thick walls which people wouldn’t put up with today because it’s wasted space.

@kingofthecastlegooglelie5150 2 жыл бұрын

Well, it was poorly constructed and maintained. 40 years without real inspection. Besides the sea salt water caused corrosion.

@cashkitty3472 2 жыл бұрын

There was a old 1920's building on Brighton sea front neglected for about the same time. Didn't collapse. Just saying

@bettinaheinz8459 2 жыл бұрын

You are so right! Came to my mind too.

@elissaharbuck2170 2 жыл бұрын

This whole situation makes me unbelievably angry… thank you for speaking out about things that are clearly sketchy.

@Pimp-Master 2 жыл бұрын

It's crazy. People would say you were literally insane if you simply described what actually happened.

@elissaharbuck2170 2 жыл бұрын

@RAH Capital dumbest comment ever

@1947shadow 2 жыл бұрын

The "Cloud" is where the record exists. Those security camera records are kept for a "long" period - for insurance purposes. Financial records will identify the name of and location of those security records.

@gsmith6026 2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I thought also, that it is in the “Cloud”.

@DigigodGamer 2 жыл бұрын

my biggest fear is dieing with my children knowing i cant do anything to save them. this whole situation gives me chills RIP 😭

@mzbeatz 2 жыл бұрын

The world is watching for this information… even here in Australia 🇦🇺

@mzbeatz 2 жыл бұрын

@Despicable MD I’m sure they will if true, but A current affair is a sensationalist sub news show, not sure 🤔 I would believe that. But it’s at least 1/2 a million for most properties here in Australia.

@allurach1746 2 жыл бұрын

@@mzbeatz The buildings are in Sydney, it’s true. Mean house price is well over $1m. In Sydney it’s insane. The average Australian earns $75k. Home ownership is well out of reach for most people now. You must know this as an Australian!

@missindependent1973 2 жыл бұрын

Just finished watching Luxe Listings Sydney on Amazon Prime…WOW

@missindependent1973 2 жыл бұрын

Sydney is full of wealthy people, you have to be to live there…

@elonmask50 2 жыл бұрын

@Despicable MD, poor kangaroos, why would you want to beat their pouches?

@frowniebrown86 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been wondering the same. It seems odd and unlikely that only one security camera from a pool across the street caught it. Edited to add: a lot of security cameras now don’t record to a just physical data storage. Those fill up quickly and erase as it goes. Lots now record to a cloud and is accessible from other smart devices that have access to the account. So the cameras physically being destroyed would stop them recording at a certain point but would not destroy existing records. Perhaps it lost connection and power before uploading footage, that’s the only thing I can think of.

@bigbear1640 2 жыл бұрын

But you have to remember this was a older building so three might have had a older camera equipment

@catecurl3790 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigbear1640 OR perhaps the security cameras' weren't actually capturing ANY footage

@ripadipaflipa4672 2 жыл бұрын

They are not going to let the general population see security cameras till lawsuits have been finished.

@JessycaLunawoona 2 жыл бұрын

They have a lot of lawsuits going on from all the family members and survivors. They ain’t letting anybody see that footage till they get all that sorted.

@KayInMaine 2 жыл бұрын

@@JessycaLunawoona I'm sure that many people who perished had sent videos to friends and loved ones or even uploaded it on their Facebook page videos or snapshots of the deterioration of the building.

@maryamk2407 2 жыл бұрын

This is the only time a tragedy has impacted my mental health so much, don't know why... maybe because I am a new mother and I cannot think of a thought... I cannot even imagine it. Rest in peace beautiful souls ❤

@galechicago325 2 жыл бұрын

I was impacted the same way when the World Trade Center fell. Still haunts me to this day.

@loopthetube 2 жыл бұрын

I was a new mother and Diana dying sent me into a downward spiral. I think it's the hormones readjusting.

@SuperPhunThyme9 Жыл бұрын

Don't look up the Turkey earthquake footage then. Over 1000 highrises collapsed there.

@jonm4501 2 жыл бұрын

My guess is the association's insurance carriers have stopped the release of any video or other evidence that they have a claim on. As far as the 911 audio, there might be calls from people who died and have not been recovered or found yet. Yes they can redac but some might speculate on whose voice it is.

@7hilladelphia 2 жыл бұрын

All that data is withheld due to pending lawsuits I'm guessing.

@ScarabChris 2 жыл бұрын

Lawsuits and the criminal investigation. No doubt. When a major crime happens the police never let the public know what they know until well after the case is closed.

@Fiery.Dragon 2 жыл бұрын

Too bad they don't have the footage from the building management office, where the security system was installed -- it's under so much rubble.... I hope they get the data out of it when they turn it up :) In the meantime, don't expect too much. They don't expect buildings to collapse, and those boxes aren't built like aircraft black boxes, it's likely the footage was lost forever.

@RaineStudio 2 жыл бұрын

@@Fiery.Dragon I'm sure they rescued the recordings before they brought down the rest of the building.

@trafficjon400 2 жыл бұрын

then its a pretty stupid video if so to speak.

@Fiery.Dragon 2 жыл бұрын

@Duke Hugh Johnson It doesn't cost the government anything to shame a bad condo board.

@ninakincade602 2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts after 20 years working condo Security in many FL condos. I've worked security in many condos. In the majority of them the security camera main computer is in the Security Office. Only a few I worked had system backed up to the Cloud or off site. So possibly destroyed. Where was Security office? Usually tucked away and not in the lobby. I would think not releasing 911 calls to protect families from any more trauma, reasonable. Water on pool deck. Condos I've worked the common area cleaners or maintenance hose off every morning. Water in garage. Every underground garage I've worked, the rain water runs down ramp and has to be pumped out or swept over to drains if there are any.

@johndanielsforJesus 2 жыл бұрын

Although I have not worked in your element (condominium security), I have 20+ years in the industry, much like you, and I concur with what you've posted. My own post reflects a majority of what you've stated. Thanks for your assessment!! 👍👍

@bibistvlife8732 2 жыл бұрын

Yes 👍🏼

@TrappedinSLC 2 жыл бұрын

There’s way more signs of water and water damage in the garage than just from coming down the ramps. If you look at some of the photos of the garage like from real estate listings, the ceiling was in AWFUL condition. There were leaks everywhere.

@kiaram8688 2 жыл бұрын

The cameras in my building only record live footage that plays directly on the monitor behind the security desk. No footage is kept 😬

@CarolReidCA 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting! They are mostly dry here in California, unless there's a problem. Thanks for sharing this!

@nobodyknows3180 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff, love your videos - and love the fact that you give us a full view of all your screens, diagrams, etc. Seems like the 'other guy' never takes his face off the screen, even when his screen-in-screen covers stuff up.

@subversivelysurreal3645 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you-the FIRE ALARM! Please, please, people, BE that person : hitting that fire alarm would’ve saved lives. Okay, you don’t wanna be embarrassed. Well, imagine how not hitting it will make you feel.

@cosmicnights 2 жыл бұрын

I’d hate to think more people would have woken up and not been able to get out. It’s better that happens in their sleep.

@SepherStar 2 жыл бұрын

I used to live near a condo that would have a false fire alarm at least once a month...usually around 1am or some other inconvenient hour but I was pretty impressed to see the residents evacuated every single time.

@user-ip9ru1os3o 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think if you're literally running for your life because you realize there's a crack in your shower and you don't feel safe... pull that fire alarm on your way out. Even if you can't save everyone, seven minutes of warning might have saved a dozen or two dozen lives.

@ChannelZeroOne 2 жыл бұрын

No security vid needed. This was a poorly maintained building that should been condemned a decade ago. The pool inspection video shows more than enough proof this building was done for. Rebar bursting though concrete everywhere. The structure was built poorly. The rebar never had enough coverage from day it was built.

@Sarah-uf9od 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@MsDrSantana 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that the developer stopped construction for months because he ran out of money (and people complained about the abandoned construction) until he found investors and finally restarted and finished is a red flag that they took short cuts during construction to cut their losses. I would never buy into a property where this fact pattern happened -- construction abandoned for months (or years) while seeking funding and a panic to get it finished in a way that would still make it profitable. This is what flipping houses became in the 90s and 2000s but it seems big developers got caught in this with new construction even earlier. Never buy one of these properties!

@punker4Real 2 жыл бұрын

this mis claimed it was earthquake grade construction have you seen actual earthquake grade construction they use High density rebar cages... for example cypress freeway collapse built in the 1950-1960s

@haleighlove9583 2 жыл бұрын

@@MsDrSantana I agree with you 100%

@steviosider2415 2 жыл бұрын

Also, the weight load on those deteriorated columns had to be so much higher than when the building first opened - all the tile floor upgrades over the years from probably initially carpet and linoleum, the marble counter top upgrades from initial Formica counters, larger refrigerators, etc. - multiply that by 138 units, or whatever it is, and the total extra load burden on the columns had to have increased significantly over the years.

@Unitedflyier 2 жыл бұрын

parking space 55 in 2020 had a Tesla Model S in it. If there were any down there Tesla may have the footage.

@Av-vd3wk 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but only if the owner had Sentry Mode active. It eats the battery 🔋 and since this appears to be a secured garage, unfortunately, chances are it wasn’t on. Let’s hope it was though!

@Unitedflyier 2 жыл бұрын

@@Av-vd3wk any Tesla or EV owner may have a charger installed now. Florida law says HOA cannot stop an owner at their expense installing one if they have a dedicated parking space.

@Unitedflyier 2 жыл бұрын

@@brnmcc01 The whole thing is so sad.

@axmajpayne 2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if a Tesla or other type of electric car was the source of those fires they were having trouble putting out the first few days.

@CarolReidCA 2 жыл бұрын

@@Unitedflyier Interesting. In California, the state is telling people not to charge their cars, except at night, as the grid can't handle it.

@seandan68 2 жыл бұрын

I like this guy! Always ask questions!!!

@davidslachta 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jeff! Thank you for another very interesting video. Seeing how these videos are popular, are you perhaps planning a series of videos focusing on other collapsed buildings and structures (I think you mentioned a bridge in one of your earlier videos), and explain why they collapsed? I find your way of going through every available footage and every little detail and finding out why it happened super interesting and engaging.

@mariannesouza8326 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, for keeping this going.

@Michigan1985 2 жыл бұрын

Not all the details come out fast after something like this happens. They're more concerned with the investigation rather than releasing every detail to the public. It'll slowly come out over time. I'm sure they have all the footage and a lot of other information. I'd also imagine it'd be too disturbing to people especially those close to the victims to hear 911 calls this soon.

@flamoby 2 жыл бұрын

I think you're 100% right. We want to know what happened and the families deserve to know what happened but this is an ongoing investigation. They never release all the evidence this quickly. They have a lot of evidence to sort through including video footage, phone calls, debris removed from the site, and eyewitness testimony. They have already said it will take time before they have an official cause.

@TrappedinSLC 2 жыл бұрын

@@flamoby Yes. They collect all the statements they possibly can, and are taking the rubble to a warehouse to be cataloged and pieced together, and samples will be taken of materials from pretty much everywhere, I imagine, to see if the right stuff was used or if it was faulty in some way, or how it was damaged, etc. The people who do this kind of investigation Do Not Rush.

@lovely0482 2 жыл бұрын

@Michigan1985 exactly 💯

@seedplanter7173 2 жыл бұрын

journalism is a thing of the the past. Now we have professional teleprompter readers . Reading from the script they are handed.

@Michigan1985 2 жыл бұрын

@@seedplanter7173 Ah yes, the illuminati don't want us to know why the building collapsed so they activated the Bill Gates vaccine implants that are telling the media to ignore that the CIA did a controlled demolition of the building to cover up their failed covert mission to steal a USB drive from double agent Fred Olgov from floor 6 room 623. This USB drive contained sensitive data that reveals the jewish space laser program targeting forests in California.

@PlayshotKalo 2 жыл бұрын

According to one of the inspections, the pool deck indeed wasn’t sloped so water has nowhere to go. Water damage was the main concern of that report

@DTumbleweed1968 2 жыл бұрын

I am up in Washington State and keeping up with this through your videos. Thank you for the thoughtful, deeper look into the causes, something the drive by media can't seem to do.

@TheHandyHam73 2 жыл бұрын

I was watching the live feed from the scene of the collapse and workers pulled out a column that only had about 3 feet of concrete still left in the middle and bare rebar protruding on both ends and I was wondering if that was the failure that brought the whole building down.

@jeffostroff 2 жыл бұрын

Probably most of the columns look like that now, now way to tell. Except if this column was one that went down into the garage and at the bottom of them they had the parking spaces printed on them so that would be a great way to tell the position of the column before the building collapsed.

@bigiron5508 2 жыл бұрын

Look up punch shear...that will explain everything, not saying that's what caused it, but that will get you started..

@alicehallam8247 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigiron5508 what's a punch shear. Where was it?

@proudgrandma138 2 жыл бұрын

Im sure the builder waterproofed the planters but after a few years the roots would tear it up. All the areas that had water damage had planters above, even the pool equipment room.

@TheHandyHam73 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffostroff This was the only column that I saw them pull out specifically and tag it and move it to a waiting evidence truck. The column only had about 3 feet of concrete still intact in the center portion and both ends were bare at least 3 feet of rebars showing and one end the rebar did a 90 degree bend and the bend area was stained with rust. There was no number visible as both ends of the column had no concrete left.

@henryottis295 2 жыл бұрын

My perfect house would be a ranch. No stairs or multiple levels. Definitely not a highrise!!!!!!

@Stoffmonster467 2 жыл бұрын

Half the world lives in apartment houses, without problems. Maybe building standards need a renovation?

@cyndianderson7056 2 жыл бұрын

Mine too, for several reasons. I have bad knees. Stairs are no bueno for me. Plus I like being closer to the ground. Always have.

@henryottis295 2 жыл бұрын

@@cyndianderson7056 My knees are bone on bone. I feel your pain. Literally.

@stevebabiak6997 2 жыл бұрын

I won’t disagree with your idea of perfect. But there are those who want to be high up to be able to see more of the area around them; those penthouse units are often the most expensive in a high rise.

@CarolReidCA 2 жыл бұрын

@@Stoffmonster467 I haven't lived in an apartment for 40 years, and won't again, unless forced to. 1 story home with land is best.

@stealthcajun2832 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff, Jeff. Thanks for doing this analysis. Very informative and thought provoking. From your second video (by the lady walking the garage), I believe I saw cameras in the garage as well. This could give clues as to which columns may have fallen first.

@darrenlucas9017 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff, really enjoy listening to your information, bringing easily explained .. thank you

@susanajimenez9030 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if more ring door cámaras or in home cámaras will find footage since everything is uploaded on the cloud

@phandcorp 2 жыл бұрын

If it was a condo association, very doubtful anyone would have a Ring doorbell outside of their hallway door. Maybe someone had a camera inside of their unit.

@soukanairenemonroe4781 2 жыл бұрын

Lots still have cameras inside their homes. Where are those videos?

@amandagoodwin7909 2 жыл бұрын

yeah I would think there would be more than one but so many lost their lives and family probably doesn't have passwords etc

@annelorraine9529 2 жыл бұрын

There is one in-home camera video that’s come out. From condo #711 in the section that collapsed. It was a motion-activated security camera and started recording once debris started falling from the ceiling. It uploaded to the cloud up until the moment of disconnection, presumably the collapse. So it’s not unreasonable to assume other security cameras did the same. The residents of that apartment were not in it at the time, using it as a vacation home, so they uploaded the video to Twitter and shared with a couple news sites. I’m assuming some other videos of these kinds haven’t yet been shared because the owners of the cameras aren’t alive to access them. Others may have been advised by lawyers not to publish them until investigations/lawsuits are completed. I think more will come out eventually, there’s no way only one unit had security cameras. If the condo security cameras were cloud connected, the resident security footage is proof that it very well could have been uploaded to the cloud before collapse. I just hope justice prevails for those lost

@Kristendelores 2 жыл бұрын

@@phandcorp You'd be surprised. I live in a well-secured apartment complex, and this dude has a ring doorbell outside of his unit with a cord threaded to his apartment to supply power. Not saying I don't get it, but people do that sort of thing to ensure packages don't get stolen.

@johnwohara 2 жыл бұрын

With such a magnificent interior, it is appalling in how management was so negligent in maintaining and protecting the most important area of the structure -- its bottom slabs.

@migdaliaortiz4897 2 жыл бұрын

What r names of tourists filming

@preetis6246 2 жыл бұрын

The management are the condo owners. They elected a Board from the ownership to oversee the budget and maintenance. It’s clear from the meeting minutes and letters over the past 3 years (several media outlets were provided copies by owners most likely) that the Board and many residents were at odds over fixing the structural issues due to expense. Some value cosmetic over structural repairs because it’s easier to see.

@debbielockhart7762 2 жыл бұрын

The "management" are the owners. It's a condo.

@deanfawcett2085 2 жыл бұрын

It's all about the show, to some people.

@staceylovebeauty724 2 жыл бұрын

I love hearing you speak. Talk about anything. Your voice is comforting. Something about it. Thanks for all the up loads of the collapse. Putting a lot of you time and effort in them. I appreciate it. Because I don't live in Florida. Don't know anyone there. But I sure cried enough.

@cathy8070 2 жыл бұрын

I so appreciate your analysis and lay person explanations ❤️

@lolAnnMarie182 2 жыл бұрын

That pool guy from the 90’s said every single month they had “king tides” that would flood the parking garage. I can’t remember where I saw that though. I’d love to know more on that and a lot of other things they haven’t released. Great video, you’ve brought up a lot of things that they’ve totally ignored.

@jeffostroff 2 жыл бұрын

We all saw that story on local news

@TrappedinSLC 2 жыл бұрын

That makes no sense, though - it’s not all that close to the beach?

@paedahe4975 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t imagine the excess water was from a compulsive “Cannon ball” addict.

@amandagoodwin7909 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see that too

@Caveat952 2 жыл бұрын

Are you a lawyer? I think I've met you.

@patrickleitgeb 2 жыл бұрын

The security footage will definitely be released…in court.

@bb2tempo1 2 жыл бұрын

and 3:20 shows that there are 2 cameras at the pool

@antonioarroyas7662 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, in two years when 99.9% of people don't remember this thing we'll see some alarming evidence.

@willschultz5452 2 жыл бұрын

I doubt it even exists at all since nobody has mentioned those cameras whatsoever not even the news media has questioned it

@CarolReidCA 2 жыл бұрын

If it goes there. Settlements are often made outside of court

@willschultz5452 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know who they think they are going to sue anyway? It was the residents of the buildings fault the HOA. They did not have the building properly maintained and this is what happened.

@deandanielson8074 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent, Jeff, really well done. A great service for all of us.

@combinavxvx 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you jeffostroff it's good to educate yourself about real estate and luxury buildings cause you never know, keep it up you are doing the right thing letting us, the public know what went down and what's going on with these places.

@brianb2267 2 жыл бұрын

Jeff, you asked about interviewing the security guard. Are we 100% sure he/she survived the collapse? Did I miss a convo or call with security guard post collapse? Praying for peace for all involved.

@leonard530 Жыл бұрын

@ Brian B, yes, Jeff his other video showing fire department response on scene the security guard tells the events they witnessed to a fire department personnel.The security guard is rescued and is speaking in Jeff's video.

@evangelistmarypillow9197 2 жыл бұрын

I'm enjoying these reports & analysis of such a tragedy.

@Melaniexb1 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you again for requesting such needed questions! That yes we want to know the answer too

@mariaphilomena1422 2 жыл бұрын

You bring up a lot of great questions!

@donwilbanks2226 2 жыл бұрын

The short answer to all your questions is simple: Lawyers.

@Perfection_NV 2 жыл бұрын

I was just about to say this....a case is being built. It's going to be a long while before we see or hear anything.

@willsvidsch 2 жыл бұрын

Does lawyers/hush-money bring back dead? No!

@thetruth9405 2 жыл бұрын

It costs less to demo a building and deal with the aftermath. Costs more to fix it. Lawyers cost less

@dreamersruleNOW 2 жыл бұрын

But lawyers will say we need proof!

@donwilbanks2226 2 жыл бұрын

@@dreamersruleNOW Remember, there are lawyers on multiple sides trying to prove different points.

@forexman4894 2 жыл бұрын

My pick is the deck with tha pavers wasn't designed to hold the extra weight of the water and the water collected over time degrading the concrete. I think it was built in early 80's?

@stuartmisfeldt3068 2 жыл бұрын

In the pool deck pic you can see a dip /deformation to the left of the hot tub.

@anunknownperson4018 2 жыл бұрын

@@stuartmisfeldt3068 too much weight that made the pool crack and from their water was leaking in the garage, later few mins. made the condo collapse?

@georgiedonovan6216 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent questions!! I was wondering about that when I saw the cameras in the garage in your last garage Analysis. Your Analysis of how the building Collapsed was EXCELLENT AND SPOT ON!! I LOVE your videos! Amazing!! I can't believe they let these things go. One thing is for sure this has been educational for me moving forward....I now know what to look for. THANK YOU!!

@forevergeralyn 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry it was a terrible incident that brought me to your channel, but now that I'm here I find your content valuable and educational. I think many of us are looking a little closer at the buildings and homes we're living in. Thank you.

@mvedda65 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff - the security cameras mounted near the pool look newer. Hoping the data is in the cloud somewhere and gets released soon. btw, A good view of the water pooling on the the deck can be seen on the apartments.com listing for unit 1009. www.apartments.com/8777-collins-ave-surfside-fl-unit-1009/67ez94s/ . that deck looks like a soaked sponge.

@susanthompson3795 2 жыл бұрын

I also noticed in the listing for #1009, not once but twice it says “no pets allowed”. Why did they specifically mention on news that they tried to get any pets left out before demolition?

@gazelle3635 2 жыл бұрын

@@susanthompson3795 Hi Susan, I'm an animal lover so I did some research into this. There were exceptions where people were allowed pets, as emotional support pets and perhaps some had pets even though they weren't allowed. But we know for sure there were pets in the part that originally collapsed as well as live pets in the part they demolished. There are articles even with there pictures, like Coco the cat on the 4th floor and Mia the cat on the 10th floor. Also, Binx the cat just found alive yesterday.

@christinasweetheart2810 2 жыл бұрын

@@susanthompson3795 maybe a sign just not letting them in certain parts? My apartments let you have pets but has signs saying their not allowed in certain areas.

@christinasweetheart2810 2 жыл бұрын

Also private land lords can rent out the condos had have their own rules referring to pets.

@brnmcc01 2 жыл бұрын

This picture is high enough resolution I can see 2 drains, and 1 more over by the hot tub. Where's the drain that should be in between the bumpout on the building, and the shallow end of the pool??? Looks like they covered over it, and deleted that drain. This is way too many sq feet to handle with 2-3 drains

@7hilladelphia 2 жыл бұрын

I'm so impressed by your practical way of sizing things up. Sadly the most straight forward observable signs seem to point to human design flaws and repair and maintenance failings. Not some glamorous conspiracy - sadly. Building is clusterfkt and warnings were ignored or not understood and then it reached critical mass and collapsed ... no need for thermite or high tech explosives, just tragic cumulative human error. Like the fall of Rome, it was gradual, preventable and finally tumbled into ruin.

@iuhsdihdslifuvholuidfh 2 жыл бұрын

Regardless of what the story is,you always have these idiot conspiracy theorists who live in their own microcosm where everything is a cover up or sinister plan.The level of people's stupidity🙄🙄 Edit:level not lever

@3tapsnu0ut87 2 жыл бұрын

@@iuhsdihdslifuvholuidfh Especially having a monthly king tide flood as a regular heads-up. I wouldn't let my car live there!

@eugeniaskelley5194 2 жыл бұрын

He never said anything about a conspiracy. He was talking about the cameras so maybe it would help figure out how it fell.

@13bigerdave 2 жыл бұрын

a good taco bell fart would of crashed down that death trap

@snoglydox 2 жыл бұрын

@@eugeniaskelley5194 : There are many conspiracy theories out there now, including, but not limited to...it didn't happen.

@tangyharris5478 2 жыл бұрын

I am tunned in. You are making the most sense. I am going to watch the previous videos. Thanks for the info.

@travishatanaka3383 2 жыл бұрын

Been watching all of your content on the towers. A combination of things sounds correct. Architecture of the Pilar sizes, construction remodeling, waterproofing, possible mistakes on slope of pavers, construction next door and also the crane fall in the original build. Good job on all your coverage. Those videos of the walk through in garage, you can see the saturated water in the pilars. Scary! Thanks for the videos🤙🏽

@jeffostroff 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

@type1d760 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of engineers here on KZfaq have said that when they looked at the blueprints, the way the pool deck was built it wasn’t built to drain the water off the pool deck correctly. And so that’s why there was standing water on it after it would rain/when it got wet. So over time it would cause severe damage and that might be the reason that it collapsed.

@AtlantaTerry 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. How could it be that pool designers in Florida (where it rains a lot) did not know how to properly build a pool deck correctly? And, if there were design errors, how could the plans have been approved? Or did the company responsible for actually building the pool and deck take some shortcuts? Possibly to save money? And why didn't the building inspector catch those shortcuts? Certainly, more heads are going to roll...

@proudgrandma138 2 жыл бұрын

What I noticed was all the planters full of foliage that were above all the areas where there was damage or standing water- pool equip room, UG parking garage. Years of watering..... and run off, leaking. Probably watered every day. HOA is so "in trouble" for not having things fixed!! Very very sad for the residents!!

@michellem7300 2 жыл бұрын

@@proudgrandma138 ya those planters should of been the last thing the hoa was concerned about. They ignored the problems in the garage way too long

@MsSpringer101 2 жыл бұрын

@@AtlantaTerry wouldn’t surprise me if they did take shortcuts. Was proved they did in the rebar , what would stop them from taking shortcuts on the pool deck?

@kellyname5733 2 жыл бұрын

@@Anastasia11101 There is a membrane under the pool area. The membrane under a flat area is common place, but it is for a small amount of water as a backup drainage, not the primary exit for loads of water. If water collects and damage occurs over time, and it is not maintained....then a problem is imminent.

@kentlageson3942 2 жыл бұрын

Jeff, curious on your thoughts regarding substantial slab cracking at lower level parking ramp where you indicate these columns failed and the reported history on building sinking in 1990s. Do we know if all PIF footings sunk equally and if not what impact did that have on column load distribution?

@johncollins6191 2 жыл бұрын

I work in property management. We have lots of office buildings that have unground parking. There are lots off floor drains and we have pumps that pump out the water that collects from rain or snow from the cars or from rain that comes down the ramp. And we have a drain at the bottom of our ramp just like the one there. Those pumps usually take that water to the municipal storm pipes. We inspect all our piping once a month and always insure the pumps are working properly

@oliviashuii364 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. You’re videos so informative. Lots of info mentioned I haven’t thought of.

@maryburke3607 2 жыл бұрын

I have really enjoyed all the condo collapse videos you've posted. It's so tragic and I just can't stop thinking about it. I really want to know what caused the collapse and your videos have provided some great insight.

@E7R1I6C 2 жыл бұрын

Glad my comment was listened to. Per last video there were all cameras in the garage. Let's hope it was cloud based, though I'm sure we have tools to recover data from destroyed devices, as long as it isn't powder

@phandcorp 2 жыл бұрын

As I corrected in the last video.. these systems would not be set up for 'cloud' based. It would be an onsite recorder. 'Cloud' based is not practical, especially when dealing with so many cameras.

@E7R1I6C 2 жыл бұрын

@@phandcorp as I said I meant the backups can indeed be uploaded to a remote/cloud server, regardless of the amount of data, for a finite amount of time. I'm not saying the policy would keep all footage for months.

@andreawinkler4179 2 жыл бұрын

Apparently the rescuers are not seeing appliances in the rubble -- just components. That was one statement that has been repeated when discussing the decision to move from rescue to recovery -- that if appliances didn't stand up to a pancake collapse then they didn't help create voids where people could survive. The point is that unless recording devices were in the main office, they didn't survive. If they DID, I suspect the person noting legal restraint is on target. As for 911 calls -- quite a number of the residents were asleep. Others' first impulse was to call family members. I suspect there would be fewer 911 calls than one would expect.

@phandcorp 2 жыл бұрын

@@E7R1I6C It would be nice, but unfortunately the 2 main OEMs for camera recorders do not have method of doing this automatically built into the software let alone the infrastructure for storage. Systems are designed for looking up of incidents such as theft or dispute, not for building collapse so I again doubt that offsite storage for camera video was considered at the time.. But does give me a new business opportunity to pitch to existing condo building clients to do such... Hmm...

@TrappedinSLC 2 жыл бұрын

@@andreawinkler4179 yes, a building collapsing is so rare no one was likely to think that was what was going on until it was too late.

@davidwooden4175 2 жыл бұрын

As far as seeing the private security footage and a statement from the security guard...those may be sequestered pending insurance and civil investigations. As for the 911 recordings, you should be able to use the freedom of information act and request the audio and/or transcripts of the audio. The security camera coverage is private property and up to the owners to release them at their discretion.

@TheBassgoddess 2 жыл бұрын

The recordings will be released in court if they exist, as there are already several pending lawsuits

@anunknownperson4018 2 жыл бұрын

correct me if im wrong but your telling me the cause of the condo collapse was the pool? Were they fixing it or something?

@Drivingthruthebay 2 жыл бұрын

@@anunknownperson4018 allegedly and the most likely cause was lack of waterproofing/weatherstripping on the pool deck and also lack of slant for water to roll away from the building so it retains water until it evaporates which overtime caused severe corrosion and spalling which then corroded the cement over time....

@eddielane9569 2 жыл бұрын

All security camera footage will be part of an investigation and will not be released to the public until the investigation is completed and all court case's have been adjudicated.

@TheBassgoddess 2 жыл бұрын

I think it was a cascading effect of failures ... water damaged concrete, damaged pillars in the garage, when the deck failed it pulled the pillars under the building down, etc. Years of neglect & negligence was the cause. The sister building, erected at the same time (1980) was repaired & maintained. It's in much better condition that this building was.

@teresalyons7551 2 жыл бұрын

Im not an engineer, but I was born and raised in Florida and the first thing that I found strange was that it had a basement parking garage, especially 700 feet from the ocean. As far as I knew we have no basements in Florida due to the ground itself being at or damn near sea level. First basement I ever saw was in Tennessee because Florida doesn't have basements. You go to the beach, dig a hole in the sand just a few inches deep and it rapidly fills with water because its at sea level. So I'm astonished that the walls were able to support an underground parking garage without sea water seeping through or eroding the outside of the wall that is in constant contact with the salt water. My hearts go out the people who lived there and the familes, friends who have lost lived ones in the collapse. You're in my prayers.

@caroldurant9560 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your videos and interesting comments!

@briancooney9952 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the internet age of instant gratification. Building collapses, people want answers after a week. Same with plane crashes. Kobe Bryant dies in a helicopter crash and two days later, people are demanding answers. Relax. The investigation is not timed around cheesy youtube videos, no matter how dramatic the background music is.

@mickk8519 2 жыл бұрын

You've said basically what I was thinking. What business is it to people that have no connection. Unless they live in a similar constructed building elsewhere.

@peterwilliams5455 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. It’s disgusting. I’ve just written something similar.

@Fiery.Dragon 2 жыл бұрын

They already assume that every building in America had their security systems replaced with a special wifi system, where dozens of cameras now livestream to "the cloud". LOL Where was I when the government ordered last year for everyone to replace their systems? xD xD xD

@scottgauthier6537 2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@bgregg55 2 жыл бұрын

Simple answer: Even if it still exist, the footage isn't public property.

@joemotis6760 2 жыл бұрын

It will all come out in Discovery when the lawsuits are flying...

@amorl4520 2 жыл бұрын

@@joemotis6760 good point

@peteabraham8 2 жыл бұрын

It will be public property as soon as someone figures a way to get it on U tube!

@gwtwvivien 2 жыл бұрын

It has to be public property!!!! 150 are dead !!! Its a public..very public matter!!!!

@shaywatson3856 2 жыл бұрын

Not exactly. Anyone can file an FOIA request and they are mandated by law to provide the requested material or a WRITTEN explanation as to why they need more time or the statutes of law that prohibit their release, and that must be produced within 20 days.

@NutmegThumper 2 жыл бұрын

Great questions - thanks for a relatively short video - can’t spend 35 mins to get an update!

@ranitaamariajesus 2 жыл бұрын

Great investigation, it shows a lot of passion for your career! Thanks

@Sarconthewolf 2 жыл бұрын

Did you see how small and far apart those columns were in the parking garage? They had to hold up the whole weight of the building above. I can imagine if only one failed the whole building's coming down. To me, it's bad engineering.

@matthewturen4379 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing... Even a few level shopping centre car parks have colossal columns compared to match stick design this building had.

@CarolReidCA 2 жыл бұрын

I'm no engineer, but they appeared tiny to me too. The rebar looked like stuff used for ground floor garages here in California. We have some 1920s & 1930s buildings that use 1 to 2 inch diameter rebar. We use 5/8" for 2-cwlled brick walls and chimneys, not multistory buildings.

@elenamiamislots5665 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like any car accident in the garage could have started the collapse.

@Sarconthewolf 2 жыл бұрын

@@elenamiamislots5665 I had that thought too

@Sarconthewolf 2 жыл бұрын

@@CarolReidCA I used to build headwalls, water tanks, and small bridges out of concrete. We used way more on just walls then I see in the pictures. Sometimes double layers of rebar.

@teddabutto4158 2 жыл бұрын

however it ends, one fact stands all through...building a mega-multi-story building complex with an underground parking lot right next to the ocean is a terrible idea

@AkSonya1010 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent questions thank you for asking and making us think

@thegiftreturns8562 2 жыл бұрын

I know that’s right! Good thing we have people like you that cares to really take time to break things down. Yeah we’re at the videos and calls this is sad.

@siamsurf 2 жыл бұрын

This has been on my mind ever since I heard about the women on the balcony facing the pool, who was on the phone with her husband, telling him a sinkhole opened up: Why did security not pull the fire alarm and get people to evacuate the building?!

@YdnarLah37 2 жыл бұрын

Some good questions, but I'm thinking those camera feeds were going to recorders inside the building. And now that building is sitting on top of them.

@aaronwhite1786 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I worked with security cameras for a massive University, and a lot of systems were still using older DVR setups, which was essentially just a VCR type setup for the cameras that recorded to a handful of HDD's. All of that system would be extremely susceptible to not only a power outage from the building losing power before the collapse, but then the damage of the HDD's being dropped/crushed in the collapse itself. Even if they had a centralized system where it was all run/recording to one local server, that server itself is likely buried and damaged, though it may be possible for the data to be recovered if they can find it and it's not completely destroyed. The only way we're likely to get good footage up to the moment of the collapse is if they were somehow recording to a cloud security system, but a lot of those can be expensive if you're storing data for a longer period of time (a month or more) and if you've upgraded to cameras that are recording in 1080p or higher, as those video files start to take up a ton of space.

@YdnarLah37 2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronwhite1786 And I get the feeling the people who ran this building didn't like spending money on it.

@aaronwhite1786 2 жыл бұрын

@@YdnarLah37 Agreed. Given what I've seen from the maintenance, I wouldn't be shocked to hear that half of the cameras had died on the wall/post and that the DVR's were half dead too.

@Xershade 2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronwhite1786 I mean that's also not counting the prop cameras. If you have 20 only 15 may be hooked up, the other five are just there to look like you're recording so people are less likely to be stupid. There's a store near my place where unless you're looking at the back it looks like a big scary camera, but unless you get the right angle and can see the cut wires you won't know its recording. So his "perfect" camera may have been a dummy recording jack crap, they all may have been dummies. And no big scary camera isn't an exaggeration, it's literally a stupidly big honking camera.

@aaronwhite1786 2 жыл бұрын

@@Xershade Some places definitely do that, but I know others shy away from it. The place I worked only had a "dummy" camera if the thing had died and we hadn't gotten around to replacing it yet. For us it was a more legal reason. Having false cameras might give a false sense of security and could lead to trouble for us.

@mickwelch8515 2 жыл бұрын

Your analysis of this collapse is absolutely the best.

@Rggabriel 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir. Finally I'm just 5 hrs behind but nevertheless updated on Chaplain tragedy. I'm learning a new field: structural engineering thru you. Thank you so much.

@RichardLee-yw8cn 2 жыл бұрын

This guy is way out of his lane and way out of his league. He is a handyman parading as a structural engineering expert. I suggest we give Allyn Kilsheimer time to do his work.

@brandongentzke2953 2 жыл бұрын

I am not an engineer but it seems like when a bulling doest not sit on bedrock and is at low elevation the entire building including sections on lower levels are responsible for structural integrity. When the Trade Centers collapsed ground zero filled with water because the basement walls designed to keep sea water out collapsed. My point, the pool deck collapsed first.

@amzarnacht6710 2 жыл бұрын

My suspicion as well, since there was a witness on the phone who told the person she was talking to that the pool deck collapsed mere seconds before the rest of the building came down. Likely the pool deck fell into the garage at the point of the leak (parking 78), either pushed those columns away from the collapse, or pulled them into the collapse, either way taking them out from beneath the main building which then followed. And the video storage was probably destroyed when the building fell - I highly doubt they were uploading to the cloud.

@denisewalsh6586 2 жыл бұрын

I think so as well...believe that the 2018 engineering report said there was major structural damage in the pool deck caused by an engineering flaw that severely limited water drainage as this area was not designed at a slope to drain the water properly-- instead of being sloped it was horizontal....Good God.

@hestheMaster 2 жыл бұрын

You are asking some really good questions! I'm sure lawyers have been involved in keeping information hush hush. Which is very bad since this could happen with other buildings nearby with a similar design and mismanaged by the same creeps who were in charge here.

@DynamicSeq 2 жыл бұрын

This was a condominium...No evil landlord..

@GalaxyFrequencyRadio 2 жыл бұрын

These lawyers are bad in our eyes, good in condo or hoa boards eyes because they defend them, the guilty, and gaslight the innocent, the owners. I live at a rinky dink hoa that has the same firm and all they do is defend the wicked doers (board of directors),sue owners for whatever reason they want. They use lawsuits to get properties from owners or the owners money for their gain. Not for profit? I don't think so.😔

@JubeProductions 2 жыл бұрын

This guy literally has the best videos that breakdown exactly what happened. If this is your first video of his, subscribe, then go back and start from the beginning. I think he has found the root cause of the collapse, which would be water leaking from the pool deck, through the parking garage, eventually leading to the failure of a few support columns in the garage. Really, really good stuff.

@mariellecara4662 2 жыл бұрын

This is wonderful information. Very thorough and factual. Thank you ! Please continue your investigation.

@vickiehadd4324 2 жыл бұрын

2 years ago HOA came to my door wanting signatures to take over my neighborhood. NO F ING WAY!! They never came back as I’m sure my neighbors felt the same way NOPE!!

@ddmau7995 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, HOA Is more control. I would never buy a home where there's an HOA gustapo deciding my yard and homes outcome . No thanks! You're chances of a "KAREN" control freak are very high.

@kacyvine 2 жыл бұрын

It came down perfect like a controlled demo.

@lorilove1651 2 жыл бұрын

kacyvine ~ That's exactly what it looked like to me as well. It came down too perfect, just like a controlled demolition! Scary stuff!

@FloridaRobert 2 жыл бұрын

you got me on the crashed building but now I see all the DIY stuff that will help me.

@kc9eow 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who works corporate security and spends most of her job working with security cameras I can guarantee no video will be released pending lawsuits (we will get to see it when the lawsuits start rolling in) and on average 10-20% of those cameras were probably down at the time. Its rare to have 100% of cameras working on a site. They also may be having issues with getting to those recordings if they were saved locally. And the guard usually does rounds during the night so he may have died in the collapse.

@nbt3663 2 жыл бұрын

They won't release anything until evey person in the rubble is found and families are notified. Once that's done then they'll start releasing the calls. Well atleast thats probably is what they're saying.

@manuelcasas3168 2 жыл бұрын

All i know is, the demolition of last standing building, and how it fell right into center of the other crumpled buildings, was strange to say the least...they all fell so perfectly into themselves...like one big perfect demolition...crazy!

@tahoma6889 2 жыл бұрын

It fell away from the existing pile. Cleared it nicely.

@dsantos10 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for bringing attention to this

@45searay 2 жыл бұрын

I can’t believe the women that shot the garage video a year earlier and still purchased a unit and survived the collapse……amazing

@lisaswint6630 2 жыл бұрын

She didn't purchase it.

@geriann4755 2 жыл бұрын

100% Jeff, you know all the questions to ask...thank you!!!

@kristab321 2 жыл бұрын

This is the first time I've heard the whereabouts of the security cameras questioned and I've been wondering that myself. Pretty damn weird along with the fact that we haven't heard anything from the security guard either....

@carolmerlini9971 2 жыл бұрын

I was eight blocks away from a hospital that was imploded in Wimington, DE in the 80's and it also sounded like thunder.

@allanw.gackstetter7969 2 жыл бұрын

Jeff you hit it right on the head I’ve been in construction my whole life you nailed it good for you brother! Great job excellent commentary do you know what you’re doing keep doing it. Allan G

@apexaero 2 жыл бұрын

Terracotta tile grows mildew on concrete when left damp, (pool decks, showers etc.) smells bad etc. Really nasty when removed and the concrete was scaled badly after tearing it up. After forty years in South Florida? Imagen what it did there..

@ginal.9847 2 жыл бұрын

question? why was a pool built over a parking garage, is it because of location and digging?

@Viperwon 2 жыл бұрын

The pool itself was not on top of cars. It went to the floor

@shalomhobbitess7509 2 жыл бұрын

Hubby (an IT guy) says that, in light of the maintenance in general, probably half the security cameras weren't working. He's worked on security systems any number of places where that was the case that seemed better kept up than this one. And, as someone else mentions, non-fuctioning prop cameras are quite common "moneysavers". Where the security footage went is also pertinent. If it was into the part of the building that collapsed, that info may be gone.

@SL-fu7sh 2 жыл бұрын

I love your analysis and calm soothing voice!

@roamingdoggy 2 жыл бұрын

This tragedy brings tears to my eyes every time I see the rubble knowing that people, killed in their sleep, are under it. Sadly however, as we already know this building was under condominium ownership. This means the owners/victims and their elected board were responsible for all repairs and for causing the deferred maintenance. However, if there was negligence in the construction of the building then this is a matter for law enforcement to resolve. I will never live in a building under condominium ownership and as a construction professional, I will not live in an aging concrete building near the ocean. Too many chemical reactions happening between the structure and the elements all day and night.

@lizardhart3646 2 жыл бұрын

Whenever tall buildings fall down in their own footprint it is called a controlled demolition. When buildings collapse on their own they don't stay in their own footprint and not every floor gets demolished gets demolished when a building collapses on its own.

@julibea2455 2 жыл бұрын

The building was constructed without Beams

@shaneldubose6725 2 жыл бұрын

NOW THE CALLS ARE COMING OUT...GR8 JOB JEFF👍🏼

@weaselworm8681 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you not using the annoying background music too loudly. You really do not need it at all. You have a pleasant and resonant voice. Brilliant points.