Whitney McClinton Nit wits, bums, crooks, absentee parents, parents behind on their bills, irresponsible parents, numb skulls.... I can continue!!!

hmmm...………………………..

IamRoyElty what grown man wants to be with someone’s child alone for a week?

I know! Right!! Michael is DEAD? I think it's wrong to ruin his legacy, by digging up issues after he is not here to defend himself! RIP KING OF POP!

@@roseburton3275 just because he's dead doesn't mean he wasn't a pedophile. There's plenty of dead child molesters. His victims however are still alive ( not counting the two dads that commited suicide.)

MORE LIKE THEY SHOULD BE EXECUTED AND DISPOSED OF WITH THE DAILY GARBAGE

They were dazzled by celebrity (like many of the ppl posting here). And many of the same people calling these guys liars would have allowed their own kids to go hang out with a predator like Jackson.

Their parents are the guilty party here.

You never stayed over at a friends house? He was like father Christmas to the kids and the parents ,, wake up...

The families, like many people, bought into Michael Jackson's act, that he was this innocent, fragile spirit who couldn't hurt a fly. It was a perfect cover and it helped convince the world that he was worthy of trust when the opposite was true. And he was a wealthy and powerful celebrity. As proven on this comments thread, people are too easily starstruck and they buy into celebrity personas too easily and that's why these celebrities get away with doing terrible things. So I don't blame the families for believing in Michael's Jackson's innocence and trusting their children with him. The rest of the world believed it too. That's abundantly clear from all the people who still defend Jackson despite all the people who've come forward with accounts of his predatory behavior.

Michael did nothing to them. They lie.

Ellos son doble cara

ding ding ding common sense people common sense..............

@@charlieeells6120 Michael did nothing wrong to them. They lie.

@@wesmcinerny4524 that’s what I was thinking cash cow

James father doesn't believe him and has always defended Michael. Wade's father was molested himself and killed himself after losing battle with mental health issues. In a franch program in which the directeur of the documentary was debating a panel of pro Michael Jackson people a psychiatrist touched on that the father might have molested Wade and is accusing instead Michael Jackson for financial gain. Wade hated his father and they did touched on that in the documentary

Joy took Wade away from his father- and he would end up committing suicide. James' father passed a couple of years ago.

Yeah thats why they were easy targets... Both didnt have fothers around... Sad

MEN say they are rightfully in charge, so MEN get the responsibility and the blame. That's how BEING IN CHARGE WORKS, dudes. Might wanna rethink your angle. :)

Joy Robson stalked Michael Jackson. And James' Mom claims to have danced a jig when she found out Michael died. But James didn't tell anyone he was "molested" until 2013. And Jackson died in 09'...🤔 That would mean she thought Mike was a sexual deviant all along, yet she still let James hang around MJ.

Funny because MJ hooked Wade up with his niece I think Jermaine daughter smh how was he touching you if he helped your sex life with girls smh 🙄 that's a lie these guys want $$$

There is a picture of him, Jimmy with the train station in the background, so it proof he was there, but the director think he mistakes that the abused carried on longer than he remembered at first. It is very difficult to remember every day and month in detail from one's childhood. Can you? Because I certainly cant

This was analyzed in their court case and went against these two guys. There are many other claims which were proven false, including destroying their MJ memorabilia, which in fact was sold at a private auction for an amount over $100,000. @@k.h.7575

​@@k.h.7575 Reed was already caught out lying there. Safechuck maintained the abuse ended earlier. It's even what he submitted in court very recently. Your denial of factual information is hysterical. You should try not be too proud of that white supremacy.

@@k.h.7575 Exactly Amen! 🙏 ❤ 💯

rick Thank u blame your parents

He went with them!!! WADE LIED! HIS OWN MOTHER'S SAID IN HER TESTIMONY IN 1993 THAT HE WENT WITH THEM !! Grand Canyon is a lie! And train station abuse is a lie and if I'm gonna write all their lies I will write a who damn essay! Leaving Neverland is ALL A BIG LIE!

@@trustgod3868 Sir or Ma'am, have you ever heard of 'grooming' ... or do you know child abuse works on the minds of the children, even as adults? Some NEVER admit it but it does not mean it did not happen. Grow up!

@@TerryReedMiss Dear Ma'am the room James Safechuck describes didn't even exist! how can he be abused in a room that did NOT exist? And Wade was with his family in Grand Canyon he did NOT stay with Michael ! And you're old but you believe words instead of facts, proofs receipts and you tell me to grow up because I give out facts and proofs and spread the truth?...In that case thank God that FBI, Police and Court didn't grow up and still need PROOFS, FACTS AND RECEIPTS! OH AND MICHAEL WAS AND IS PROVEN INNOCENT

@Lion of Zion Fact, receipts, proofs don't agree with you. You're invalid. Try again

Teenie finally someone with a head on their shoulders👍

Exactly!!!!

Teenie thank you for saying this! So true!

@@natureandrap for real.

Kokainuser why's that then because these guys say so?

That's horrible, you have my sincerest sympaties 🙏🏼♥️

I'm so sorry April. How are you doing❤

James Safechuck who was born February 28, 1978 and was 14 in 1992. He claims it happened to him from 10 to 14 (1988-1992). He claims he had a wedding ceremony at at the Neverland Train House at the beginning of the relationship and it happened up on the 2nd floor of the Train House all the time. One BIG problem with his story. Michael's Neverland Train House was not built until June 1994 when James was 16 and TALLER than MJ. lol. So his made up tale came before the Train House was built and when James was 16. Michael had the Chandler case in 1993 and James was defending him and said no such thing happened. Not only did he defend him, when MJ and LM were married in May 1994, they appeared in Bucharest in August 1994 when James was 16 (there are photos of James carrying the unbrella for MJ and LM) and he is TALLER than MJ. lol James mother also came on the trip. Now for LN, he claims MJ did not have contact with him after he became an adolescent. lol The lies are NEVER ENDING. The only one's falling for this is those who were not born and can't follow timelines. That's why James and Wade did this in MJ's death because they thought no one would know. But MJ was so famous and had so many fans, they kept up with EVERYTHING MJ. I even have a video on my channel from October 1993 raid of Neverland, a reporter mentions MJ was about to build his Train. lol That's how Safechuck got caught in his lie of repeatedly raped at the train house from 10 to 14 (1988 to 1992). lol You can also check out the real reason James joined the Wade lawsuit by watching the video on youtube called "Revealed! Why Safechuck is REALLY Suing Michael Jackson!"

I'm so sorry that happened to you

@@bereal6590 I'm sorry for her story too but she can't project what happened to her on a story UNRELATED to her situation. Wade and James are liars and they are making a mockery out of REAL victims for their own selfish financial gain and it's SICK.

Bro when they raided his apartment they found countless photos of kids. And their quotes sound like something he would say Stop defending Hollywood pedophiles

​@@jackiefriday636 Again another proven LIE to trick us. Stop defending LIARS.

​​@@jackiefriday636 Go see Oprah's NL show and she said to wade " YOU WERE LYING TO THE THERAPIST." And he said yeah. Those were her words to him. "YOU WERE LYING" .... I didn't make this up see it for yourself. And I'm glad she CAUGHT HIM LYING.

You are deceiving yourself by not beliving obvious victims. You are awful for this. Get well soon there's so much evidence and more victims.

@@aeronicle Maybe you missed it when Oprah told him to his face -- YOU WERE LYING on national TV. In other words she CAUGHT HIM LYING. And she wouldn't allow him to trick her. Did you see her NL show? I left a few comments see it for yourself. But it was no surprise to me because I ALREADY knew he was a liar BEFORE he got caught by her ... smh. ......

@Kieran Shirley check the comment again, it has something to do with this story

Their mothers said that they never told them about the abuse till they went to therapy in 2013 and realized that they were abused in the same documentary wade mother said on 2009 Michael died she was rejoicing that Michael won't be abusing more children. Hahaha wasn't it so funny how they contradict themselves in the same documentary that meant to expose their truths 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What’s Weinstein got to do with Michael Jackson

@@borninthe70sgaming 😂😂😂😂

Went through this same situation at that age,being told I don’t know what I’m taking about until my stepdad and my grandma’s bf got into a disagreement 7 years later and my My gma’s bf(who did it) tried to get my stepdad out of the picture and said it was him.

@@carmindior41 I’m very sorry that happened to you. And in case you feel otherwise, it was NOT your fault. For me, it was a friend of the family whose care I was left in. Sometimes, it really bothers me that he’s able to walk around free and clear, but there’s nothing that I can do about it except hope that he pays for his horrible crime in the next life, if you believe in that sort of thing. Anyway, take care, and again, I’m sorry for what happened to you. Most of all, I believe you. ❤️🙏

I’m truly sorry for what happened to you -shocked this person has kids and a family -if he was never caught I’m sure there are more victims along the way - I’m so sorry - I truly am I hope you have sought out counseling

Exactly right to this day i suffer severe terror post traumatic stess all abuse began with my mother den onto man i met i sufferer sheer horror ill never forget as long as i shall live how evil my own mother treated me onto have my kids and my x brainwashed dem to hate me im not the better of way i was treated i do. Know dey might not anser here but all will face god one day at judgment i

Antwan Sanders. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Research carefully. Liars!!!

Exactly .... so casual like they are talking about a trip to the mall. That's why we know they're lying ....

Nicki Snyder. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA. They're just lying!!! Michael won alive, and in death. Yayyyy

His estate might have been successful but there’s no way Michael was innocent. People rarely get falsely accused of abuse at the level that Michael was accused of.

@@murphyr31 ya three decades of searches still found nothing sounds like u don't wanna believe

@@murphyr31Watch with open mind and cross check cases I found many dubious Patrice by prosecutor in 2005 case kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hqeUe7Glt8q3lHk.html

@@peggieudengwuarzuudengwu7531 wining in court doesnt mean it`s real or not

Heather Insey. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Case Closed!! Please research carefully many articles. Too bad!!

Famous or Not it should of had someone there thats older or Say No can't stay all Noght

He wasn't a stranger though 🙄 if you look at the evidence MJ was clearly innocent

Exactly. Peoples' judgement in this matter is clouded by the fact that MJ was a "star". If a man down the street asked someone to send their kids over to sleep in his bed people would be horrified.

​@@reyisnotamarysue1195I truly believe, Michael was innocent. Still personly he was a stranger and parents should not leave their kids alone with strangers, famous or not, Michael Jackson or an average person. Even if Im sure, Michael did nothing, it could have happened.

When you're abuser is as powerful as he was yes victims do go to court and lie for their abuser all the freaking time are you for real? There's probably thousands of cases of this exact instance so your logic makes zero sense 😂

You know nothing.

@@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth Go view the father of the first so called victim, AFTER the settlement, PARTICIPATING in a book with the title of his "son" called Michael's "lover." What real parent would do that. Yet, the father skipped the 2005 Criminal trial he was ALLOWED to testify. see the video I loaded on the MJ penis humiliation to understand what THEY did to MJ. It was a fraud.

@@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth I can't believe these 2 liars are playing the "Evan Penis Card." My latest absolutely destroys that 1993 narrative and proves once again why they are lying. money!

​@@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth Never seen victims paid tribute to their abuser and considered their abuser as idol

Because their lies are all finally falling apart. One of the accusers at 31 years old begged and pleaded to dance for a Michael Jackson tribute show. Why would a victim want to dance in front of the whole world to honor his abuser??? Once he got rejected, he went and tried to get money from the estate. When that didn’t work out either and his feelings were hurt, that’s when this mockumentary came about.

Which accuser admit the truth and where can I find it?

@@user-qd6et3xu5n The first one, the one that got that settlement, the father committed suicide. The father was caught on auto tape plotting with another on how he was "pull this off" stating he was gonna humiliate MJ so bad with these false allegations that he sure he'd settle for millions etc, Well after the boy grew up, he split with his father and he wrote a statement to the media that none if it was true. Very hard to find this info bc most of the mainstream media who spent so much time convicting MJ refused to report.

@@user-qd6et3xu5n The statement used to be able to be found on youtube years ago, before youtube became so censored

There have been like 7 how many more do you need? 😆

daviswendye Mark Brown He dated Micheal Jackson’s niece for 6-7 years. When he was 12-19

MJ as far as Id know, has experienced time and time again on all manners of accusations on sexual conducts and acts. The media was out for him, the various organizations were out for him. But after so many years fighting in the courts, he was free from all charges. Did he Pay the Jury ? did he pay the Judges on the verdict ? OFF COURSE NOT. Many would want to believe in this. If it was, then the world works on a Fairy Tale. NO. This is REALITY !!! Could you Imagine, the moment that MJ's people actually tried to bribe or lobby the courts, the jury or the Judge ? That would have become one of the GREATEST news that has ever been made. It would have been MJ's PR nightmare that could have led to a PR death. With so many people having EAGLES eye views on the case, Should any one of them tried to lobby for the case, It would have already made all the news in the world. No. There wasnt any lobbying, there wasnt any buying off the Judge or Jury. After both sides presenting all manners of evidence and proof. The judgments were made. MJ was free of all the charges. It only meant that MJ is and Was NEVER guilty at all. Now, long after the man is dead, comes these 2 dudes accusing MJ of sexual abuse. TAKE A LOOK AT THE TIMING PEOPLE !!! look at the timing. Its at the ripe moment of time when there is this Sudden SURGE of sexual abuse cases making headlines all over. Harvey Weinstein, R-Kelly, Christiano Ronaldo, Brett Kavanough, David Copperfield. Etc etc. Im not saying that ALL of them are NOT guilty. But I am saying that it is a Ripe moment for them to get on this new Money making band wagon.

Unless it's false

I agree it must have been extremely had to even get a word out

This is interesting???? Life Coach Toronto Giovanni Maccarrone Published on Mar 18, 2019 Subscribe 2.2K The Leaving Neverland Documentary talking about Michael Jackson’s relationship with Wade Robson & James Safechuk shows Michael to be a man who hurt little children. Many people believe that the two men are lying, and the director Dan Reed recently stated that they are telling the true. Apparently Robson and Safechuk are filling lawsuits against the Jackson estate, while the Jackson estate are trying to sue HBO for the documentary/mockumentary. In this 2013 interview on the Today Show, Wade Robson tells NBC’s host Matt Lauer that Michael Jackson hurt him between the ages of 7-14. Body language analysis shows that Robson seems like he is lying about her allegations. He uses emphasizers, emblematic slips and false starts. He makes speech errors and uses the technique of repeated assertions (parrot language). His body language does not make his words, and he engages in non-emphatic denial. According to renowned Dr.Paul Ekman in his teachings on detecting deception, he explains that people who are deceiving tend to use this micro shoulder shrugs with only one shoulder. This is an a-symmetrical shoulder shrug. A person who’s in line with what they said might still do the shoulder shrug to say I don’t know, but with BOTH shoulders, not just one. Oprah recently interviewed Robson & Safechuk and supported claims that Michael Jackson did commit those acts. Michael Jackson had two world renowned court cases both in 1993 and 2003 after Living With Michael Jackson aired. Now 10 years after his death in 2009, there are more accusations regarding what they said was done to them as little boys in the 1990s.

We were all groomed by mj fame

Both their mothers were money hungry. I don't believe them for one second when they said they didn't know. They must have turned a blind eye because they liked how they were "well-looked-after" by MJ. It was their way to live a comfortable life. I'm so disgusted by these two families beyond words. Just pure utter disgust. Ugh.

Onthehill ........كفو

Agree

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

James Safechuck has pictures of the train station which he took himself. He was there.

@@SPZ909 Everyone was at the train station as it was a TOURIST ATTRACTION. I have a video of 1000'S OF KIDS there. But IT WAS NOT there during his timeline. 🤣

Anyone who believes these 2 are participating in railroading of an innocent man and THIS is how you lynch an innocent person and how innocent people are incarcerated. You give ONE SIDE. If the other side story was told, this is would prove they are LIARS. James has been caught in the biggest lie with the Train House that didn't even exist when he was 10 to 14, his timeline. 🤣And he can't push it out because at 15 in September 1993, when the first case broke, he said MJ never touched him and when MJ returned to the states under investigation for 14 months, James and his mother were still defending MJ. In August 1996, when MJ had married LM, James and his mother would accompany MJ to the video shoot in Budapest for the trailer video to his album HIStory. James at 16 1/2 had odd jobs and one of them was carrying MJ's umbrella. I have the photo and video of that. James is taller than MJ so no way MJ is taking him up to the 2nd floor of the train house for sex when he lived in NYC for all of 1994. 🤣 The train house was completed in the summer of 1994 and permits PROVE IT. Regarding Wade, you can find the video of Wade at Neverland with his wife in 2007, when MJ didn't even live there, enjoying his "sacred land." Go watch it and see if he looks victimized? You will also know, when Wade didn't have to, he went into a criminal courtroom in 2005 as an ADULT, an stated under oath, and said MJ never touched him. Do you know this?? This is the very reason they did a LIEdoc without giving the OTHER side. But it will all come out. "Lies win sprints but truth wins marathons." Michael Jackson

Blue elephants there are ways to pass a lie detector test without necessarily telling the truth, they aren’t always accurate

@@veronicasawyer7555 yep. Have a pin on your hand and pinch your finger everytime you're gonna lie and the pain will take your mind off of the emotion. 😂😂😂

No need, any normal human being are able to see these guys lying,

I Agree; Cockroaches Are my biggest fear

They will NEVER take one! Not in a million years

He bought the ranch in 1988 when James was 9. It was totally during the abuse. James was there as it was starting to become "Neverland'. All facts check out. Love MJ's music but don't disbelief these proven facts. The boys are not lying.

@fieryheadedgirl The train station was not there until 94. Construction began towards the end of 93. Alleged abuse ended in 92.

Hiya. Google tells me that the train station was built first. The train tracks itself was up and running (construction completed) in 1994. So, if this boy says there was a little train station there in 1991 and they had sex there, then it could have happened within these dates. @@rasheed9705

@@rasheed9705 yeah! But this person who claims to be a MJ's fan did not do a simple search or she is still in denial about Safechuck lies!

@@rasheed9705 this is the dumbest argument, try to remember the day your parents took you to the diner , whatever your answer is I can just argue

Money is Justice, it's called compensatory Justice.

Someone is molested you and you were friend with him until his death,right? YOU VISIT HIM AS AN ADULT YOU WORK FOR HIM,YOU VISIT THE PLACE THAT YOY HAVE BEEN MOLESTED AND YOU WANT TO GET MARRIED THERE YES VERY LOGICAL

Money after MJ is dead They know he can’t defend himself… not cool!

They're dumb ASF u liked to be touched when u were a kid...okay..

benjamin mott exactly

Yeah normally people hang out with people from their age group. Mj hung out with kids

Tehella Cummings You’re a disgusting human being.

Here here!

Some people cannot be shaken from their beliefs, and perhaps that is THEIR past not allowing them. It's just too hurtful to be so betrayed for some people. Some of us expect it! Or, have it in our experience that 'big names' are just that --- they are not the private person, only a label. Manipulative people usually are NOT bad people! But when a manipulative person IS up to no good, they have a better chance of getting away with it - big name or not, but especially if they're perceived as celebrities or leaders. When they fall down, and hopefully most do quickly, it an taken a while but eventually, all that will be left is reputation and in his case, some old songs. Cool old songs and a NASTY rep.

Yep. Sad but true is exactly right.

@@dangerousgirl44 Um..that's not at all true. You're projecting. I believe that 99% of his die hard, rabid fans believe he's innocent, but that's about it.

nacionalcapo his fanatics are delusional. they cannot comprehend the fact that a celebrity could be a different person behind the camera

What is sad is that these people claim these allegations bc this is MJ

They definitely lied for money. Especially Wade. They are broke and need the money.

No those were other guys who were made to lie when they were children (Gavin Arvizo and... idk). These two men decide to do it themselves

It could of happen.. and it may not of happened.. We weren’t there????

​@wendyallen5105 That's right but some people are telling lies, the maid called Adrian is a liar

​​@@nicholasr39 Oh wow, I can't believe you personally know the maid to make that assumption! Small world.

Please stop they are horrible actors tell them to get a job. And STOP lying ... smh

I was thinking the same thing!

The reason why is because if these LIES don't fool anybody, they will remain a BUM 😂.

You’re an idiot for allowing them to fool you like that

I believe them ...🕵🏻‍♂️🤔

Margarita Pena they haven’t forgiven their mothers yet.

Margarita Pena they’re working on forgiving their mothers

wtf why would they?? their mothers didn’t abuse them it’s not their fault

Joy Skye why did they left their kids with an adult???!!!

Margarita Pena they should sue you

James Edinger. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Case Closed!!! Research the entire loss.

Yes, they take idols to another level to almost worshiping them

Idolatry is very dangerous

They are lying through the body language alone.

Apparently you have never been abused, I was abused at 6 years old, you think I told anyone? I didn't even understand what was going on, I felt uncomfortable but I kept on going to his house because he was nice, sweet and played with me, and my abuser was not famous, he was not my idol, I was an only child my parents worked all day, my grandmother was suppose to watch me but she was old and no one would of ever even imagined anything like that at the time. The abuses stopped only when I brought a little friend with me to his house, she has always been warned by her parents that no one should ever touch her private parts and she was a few years older then me, my parents never warned me, sex was never something my parents would ever mention. My friend was the one that grabbed me by the hand and dragged me downstairs and she told her parents, I was still confused. Police came and arrested him. It is hard to admit that someone abused you, you feel ashamed. If you never had this experience your opinion is worth zero, nothing, nada.

What you said doesn't mean that they are talking the truth

@@shawnjosiah6268what you say does not mean they are lying either. You are so gullible, grow up

​@@arrivagabry Stop the bs. There are too much lies from their side. Wade and Safechuck are liars, end of the story. Bring every "proof" that you want, i'll debunk it.

​@@arrivagabry I support REAL victims like yourself, BUT I will NEVER support these two huge, horrible LIARS. ( I hope I made that clear to everybody ).

She is very un-prepared and almost lost in her questions. Gayle King you fail.

thats right thats right

Liz King Bradley. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 😀

@@johnnymeyer4253 Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Research!

@@writerdirect Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 😀

Indeed.

Its called common sense and decency. Try it.

Jaydee OldBoy please look up the definition of cognitive dissonance.

@@beatrixblitzer747 I know the term well, please tell me how you think I'm wrong, then I can correct you.

@@davidevans3175 You think dismissing claims of sexual and psychological abuse is common sense, and decent...?

these guys are number 1 liars please do your research guys ..don't believe these two damn liars

Makes sense. Happens everyday in Hollywood.

Definately. I just don't think Macaulay will ever come forward bc he doesnt want to hurt his kids.

Courtney Coley he won’t come forward because nothing happened

Well in that case they possibly got the most easy abuse possible ..there are kids abused much more grossly

Maxine Z, the point is not that it took so long. As someone who experienced abuse, let me ask you. Is the person who did it alive or dead? Do you think that your psychologist, friends and family help you best to heal, maybe even other victims or the public opinion, criticism to yourself and your parents, tv stations and loads of people who want to interview you? And most importantly, did you ever want your (dead) abusers family to suffer and did you try to get money out of them? It would be another story to come out to stop someone doing it to someone else, to get justice, even, if you cannot afford medical attention that you need as a cause of this to be covered. But going after his family after he is dead is utterly despicable.

@@timbrown7039 Go see the doctor.

Maxine Z yes and you are completely right. The blind idolatry has replaced any semblance of brain cell functioning those deniers of his abuse have. Take care - I am going to keep on proclaiming his guilt - the truth is in Safechuck’s eyes. Take care.

Tim Brown Have you not heard that he was definitely a pedophile? Look and you will see. Warning - Required -opening of mind and search for brain cell activation - Try - look into Safechuck’s eyes. He doesn’t need to speak. The truth is in his eyes. Robson is telling the truth too. Note when they nod and recognise the experience the other describes - not rehearsed. On the other hand - watch a few Jackson videos when he’s pouring out his little sorrowful childhood stories (which are true - he did have a horrid childhood)- So he knows the pain but he is totally rehearsed and choreographed to hide the part of the story that isn’t true - his love of children as innocent playmates of the Peter Pan - only except near the end - with Bashir - the mask slipped - he took more risks - having the boy in the picture - he was getting sloppy - drug use may have contributed here to the sloppiness - Icarus thought he’d gotten away with it in broad day light - Icarus (your MJ) thought - ‘I can do anything I want,” cause not only had he groomed entire families and parents of young boys for quite a few decades - he’d also groomed all you star struck numpties, of which there seems to be an infinite number of - and now you are all doing his bidding. He’s finished now with young boys - but you are continuing his abuse here on earth for him by denying the Truth. Clap clap - you shower of empty dangerous shells.

Tim Brown what the heck? i may not know about being abused, but its not easy to come out about a difficult situation so please- Dont

@@hailamark2402 Nope. They hired a new lawyer.

@@hailamark2402 Yes Dan Reed is desperate at this time so I'm sure he has MORE after the videos I put up. 🤣

@@hailamark2402 It's already out. It was on Twitter.

sleeping with children in bed 🤮

​@@kkkkkk-sj3wuNot even the same bed, and If you see something wrong in this, You are disgusting. Sleeping is not sex

I made friend with their parents because I was sincerely interested in random suburban moms and the interesting details of their lives....

I hear you but Michael Jackson is the one to blame. Poor judgement by the parents not protecting their children but I don't believe they're as much to blame. They SHOULD be blamed for what they did, or rather for what they Didn't do, keeping them away from this man but the sexual abuse is all on Jackson.

@@thomasmarthinussen8978 The only victim in this entire ordeal is Jackson himself. I think any survivor of sexual abuse would be disgusted at these men if they just dug even a little bit into these accusations. It’s completely preposterous.

@@truescares7737 You know for a fact Jackson is innocent?

@@thomasmarthinussen8978 I do. And if you don’t, I don’t blame you. But, once you look into these allegations it’s more than obvious.

Looolll

Hahaha...

Their mothers said that they never told them about the abuse till they went to therapy in 2013 and realized that they were abused in the same documentary wade mother said on 2009 Michael died she was rejoicing that Michael won't be abusing more children. Hahaha wasn't it so funny how they contradict themselves in the same documentary that meant to expose their truths 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

LOL

Or ‘otherworldly’

They did, you just ignored it

I guess they can’t really have justice because he has passed away.

Everyone is different and everyone would handle the situation differently. The way you’d handle it mightn’t be the only right way because there is no right way and you don’t know what you’d do in that situation until you are.

@ Lizzie Allen Yes after a physical and psychological trauma so extreme that it took them years to face why would then think about at the lowest point in their life with no money and no prospects " coincidence " no they clearly planned it to get the most out of there lives being broken your an disgrace to all the other idiots trying not to comment

@Unique Bacon Soldier well the " Your a disgrace " bit was motivated by the fact that his comment was extremely idiotic and untrue

You hit the nail on the head

The difference is the normal man in your neighborhood would do it secretly. MJ never hid anything and even publically made everyone know he brought children in Neverland. Why would a person who has so much interest in abusing children make themselves vulnerable like this? The first sign of pedophilia is he wont make himself vulnerable like this but MJ even spoke about it.

Still doesn't cut the mustard somehow... As that's why some people keep their crimes/illegal dealings in plain sight....Think about it???? What better way for a loved celebrity???? You cannot justify any of this behavior as normal.....NONE OF IT!!!! It's simply because we are blinded by the famous people......A sad but true fact! I loved MJ but I have had to face facts now.....😔💔

elva136 it was a tactic

@@elva136 watch "abducted in plain sight" documentary. it has some similarities with this. It's shocking and crazy

@@kensyskye8965 I am very similar to Michael in many, many ways for many of the same reasons. I love animals and always had a special affinity with children. I could relate to children on their level and that is why they adore me. I could play with them for hours on end. My bed is where we read stories and watch tv. I am 56 and never really emotionally grew up. People perceive me as weird and different. I look at things very differently in life. I think very differently and approach things in life very, very differently. I am definitely not a child molester. Such a lot of people chose teaching as their vocation because of their love for children. Their jobs are to spend the majority of their time with other peoples' children. Are most or all teachers especially primary (elementary) school teachers pedophiles? Strange how people must always interpret and warp innocence because their own minds can't grasp it.

There are many, many stories of children being sexually abused (usually by another family member) and the parents are oblivious to it. Be thankful you don’t know how child sexual abuse works.

They are telling the truth. A lie detector test? I bet they would take 100, no problem. But to believe a machine can do the did for you is foolish. No machine can detect a lie or a truth. Its been very known that it can be downplayed. Only the US uses them as a investigation tool. Its rubbish everywhere else.

You are a bad person, to put it mildly

Why didn’t Jackson take a lie detector test in 1993 or in 2005? He refused - why? If he had taken one and had done nothing wrong, would we all be here? No.

@@CEH477I know how it works, I am a real victim and these 2 are lying for sure!

Why are people more incensed about the parents than the actual child abuser?

The parents are just as guilty as the pedophile. They basically gave him the "take my kid because you are Michael Jackson" card.

Parents were stupid....kids were trusting...jackson was the actual problem. He was smart and even lisa Marie and some of the Jackson's in previous interviews said he was very manipulative. I believe these men and it's a damn shame because when I watch this man perform..he was an amazing artist...very sad. Since he started show business so very young...and was so gentle and trusting and adorable....I wonder who did this to him. I 100 percent believe someone was molesting him.

You are right! It was all about the money

Tempty65 parents are not as guilty as the child abuser. You are a disgusting human to even say that.

There is no doubt Michael did this.

Its like telling a rape victim to forget!

It is obvious that MJ did it. Building a park full of toys to attract attention ...

La Ra - so he invited these young boys to sleep with him for years, and you’re saying not once did he take advantage of any child? hmm. I don’t know

@La Ra Your comment doesn't make sense. 1. They just said in the interview (if you bothered to watch it) that they make no money off of it. 2. Why now? Like they said, they have been going through a long healing process which started after having sons of their own. Also, all of this (the film and now the interviews), as started by the director. HE approached them to make this film which isn't even really about MJ, but about how child sexual abuse doesn't always look the way people generally believe it looks like (children hating it, fighting it). More often they don't dislike the abuse itself and they don't question it. This film shows how it affects the victims in adulthood and how it affects their families who were blind to it while it happened right under their noses.

how do you know they're lying? just because someone's a celebrity doesn't mean you should defend them to death. that's wrong. you don't know them.@@GoogleLeviticus-

Робсон довольно умён. Это признавал даже адвокат Майкла

Lot of little kids in our neighnborhood watch thriller. Did the michael dance ....yes as little as 2...yes!

I actually dance Billie Jean when i was 2...

Actually i fought world war 2 when i was 2 months

@@moroccanevil lmfaooo

moroccanevil 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It their case it's different, because they both HAD TWO OPPORTUNITIES to speak up - during 1995 and 2005 trials. And they were not asked just "did he sexually abused you?" They were asked hundreds of questions like "did he touch your hair", "did you see him naked?" and so on. They said: nothing happened. Robson was ab 11 and Safechuck was ab 16 in 1995. In 2005 Robson was 22, and he didn;t just said nothing happened - he flew from Australia to defend MJ, he called accusations "ridiculous", he was adamant that MJ couldn't do it. I get victims keep silent. But openly defend "the abuser" in TWO courts? Against other possible victims?

They both lied. It has been proven.

@@GG8476 how was it proved?? Tell me. I honestly want to know. I'm so confused.

lety vazquez just look at the rebuttal evidence is all about the benjamins.

@@Xime_0313 The 2013 case Wade Robson had against the MJ Estate - that got thrown out, with the Judge citing 'no rational fact-finder could possibly believe (Wade) Robson's sworn statements.' This idiot perjured himself on paper/documents (that he submitted to court).

Joy Robson spoke on the "bed" thing in the 1993 Investigation of Michael Jackson. I have Wade's OWN MOTHER discussing this in 1993 investigation and I WILL LOAD what she said for you to hear it. She said "I've been in Michael's room when the kids are there and they play so hard that they fall asleep on the bed....nothing more to it." This was DURING the 1993 investigation of Michael when Wade was 10 years old. Wade was also questioned and he stated about those chandler case and he said IT'S "SICK" because he knows for a "FACT" MJ wouldn't do anything like that. Michael Jackson's investigation lasted 14 months when the statue of limitation to process as a crime to 1998. So Wade wants us to believe MJ was STILL molesting him from 10 to 14 when he stated it's SICK???

Stop lying. How can it be the "exact way" when both of these men participated in Michael Jackson's CRIMINAL investigations??? Wade as an ADULT walked into Michael Jackson's CRIMINAL TRIAL and said he did nothing. So do "victims" testify on behalf of their accusers in a criminal courtroom? NO!

Look when it comes to MJ I've always said I don't know whether he did all the things he was accused of or not, but he was found not guilty in a court of law. All the "proof" people have is stories that Michael isn't here defend himself against. And if he did hurt kids in any way then of course it's horrible, but it's also horrible if MJ didn't do those things and people label him a pedophile.

I completely believe these guys are telling the truth

@@charellesexii6555 sure you believe them. Not! Are you a bot? There is NO WAY at this point anyone would believe them with all the LIES exposed. It's all about MONEY now and I can PROVE it. 🤣

OMG!! How did this happen?! I'm so sorry to hear this 😔

At three years old a very trusted ( & famous) uncle was 'baby-sitting' me (while mom was at the doctors) and violated my 'privacy' - terrifying & hurting me = until his wife saw, began screaming and got hysterical! I didn't remember this ~ until I was a grown woman with three daughters! It was most shocking when that memory 'returned'.!... THEN I finally knew why I was 'different' in how I reacted to to 'life' in general! Altho they had moved far away, I did make contact and was able to to let him know that God gave me the grace to actually forgive him, & I told him that God would also forgive him, and that Jesus went willingly to the cross and shed His blood = to pay for the very sins we commit. By the time the knowledge of that incident had 'returned' I had myself learned the reality of the scripture that promises "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus, our Lord." That is right out of the Holy Bible's book of Romans ch.6, vs. 23! In the same book in ch. 5 it tells us "But God commendeth his love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." vs. 8. That covers it all.

@@carolmartin2503 I'm so sorry this happened. I'm veré encouraged by your story 🥰

If my kid told me someone else was sexually molesting my son or daughter, he/she is on my hit list right there and then! No mercy!

Ewe a teacher 🥴🫤 glad I can’t relate. It’s always the person you least expect

Stfu they lied

Watch neverland firsthand on here.

Nats_M it’s really good to see and hear that there are some few fans out here who can see the truth. The following is my message to all those deniers - please help spread it - abusers should be called out - whether they be dead or alive. Have you not heard that he was definitely a pedophile? Look and you will see. Warning - Required -opening of mind and search for brain cell activation - Try - look into Safechuck’s eyes. He doesn’t need to speak. The truth is in his eyes. Robson is telling the truth too. Note when they nod and recognise the experience the other describes - not rehearsed. On the other hand - watch a few Jackson videos when he’s pouring out his little sorrowful childhood stories (which are true - he did have a horrid childhood)- So he knows the pain but he is totally rehearsed and choreographed to hide the part of the story that isn’t true - his love of children as innocent playmates of the Peter Pan - only except near the end - with Bashir - the mask slipped - he took more risks - having the boy in the picture - he was getting sloppy - drug use may have contributed here to the sloppiness - Icarus thought he’d gotten away with it in broad day light - Icarus (your MJ) thought - ‘I can do anything I want,” cause not only had he groomed entire families and parents of young boys for quite a few decades - he’d also groomed all you star struck numpties, of which there seems to be an infinite number of - and now you are all doing his bidding. He’s finished now with young boys - but you are continuing his abuse here on earth for him by denying the Truth. Clap clap - you shower of empty dangerous shells.

tom bath hey thick person they are not lying. Have you not heard that he was definitely a pedophile? Look and you will see. Warning - Required -opening of mind and search for brain cell activation - Try - look into Safechuck’s eyes. He doesn’t need to speak. The truth is in his eyes. Robson is telling the truth too. Note when they nod and recognise the experience the other describes - not rehearsed. On the other hand - watch a few Jackson videos when he’s pouring out his little sorrowful childhood stories (which are true - he did have a horrid childhood)- So he knows the pain but he is totally rehearsed and choreographed to hide the part of the story that isn’t true - his love of children as innocent playmates of the Peter Pan - only except near the end - with Bashir - the mask slipped - he took more risks - having the boy in the picture - he was getting sloppy - drug use may have contributed here to the sloppiness - Icarus thought he’d gotten away with it in broad day light - Icarus (your MJ) thought - ‘I can do anything I want,” cause not only had he groomed entire families and parents of young boys for quite a few decades - he’d also groomed all you star struck numpties, of which there seems to be an infinite number of - and now you are all doing his bidding. He’s finished now with young boys - but you are continuing his abuse here on earth for him by denying the Truth. Clap clap - you shower of empty dangerous shells.

Victoria So good to see a few heads in this mire of muck. I’m aghast at blind minds.

It was really his singular mission. He really put a ton of effort into it once you look into how far out of his way he had to go to pull it all off

Why don’t you watch “square one “ and “loving neverland “ before taking conclusions . By now everyone know that Mj is innocent.

@@verbadum2298 Why don’t you watch “square one “ and “loving neverland “ before taking conclusions . By now everyone know that Mj is innocent.

@@sirri308 they are fan made propaganda by immature people in China and india.

How so

M CB same 🙋🏽‍♀️ this is what abusers do

It’s hard for someone to come out

Took me 20 years to speak out. I was also in denial. I thought it was my fault as it wasn't physically forced on me. My abuser is now in jail for 14 years and I am finally starting to repair my life.

M CB lucky you your abuser is in prison mine now :/

why wait 10 yrs after hes dead to no longer defend himself im not saying who i believe im just stating a fact, this seems fishy to me

Yes im sure the maids that also saw him showering with kids was also mad because they didn't get casted in the vegas show.

@@Xplode101 right maybe she need money seeing as Mike is suing her for 1.2 mill n he dead ..its sad ppl cant see he a monster

@@teshuahyisreal158 that maid was fired from neverland for stealing. She later attempted to sue MJ for "wrongful dismissal" that is when she herself was counter sued. She is unreliable just like all the rest. It is sad some people cant see MJ was innocent.

@@reyisnotamarysue1195 she stole a drawing micheal threw in the garbage

@@teshuahyisreal158 her and another alleged witness were found guilty of stealing items from neverland totaling up to 50,000 dollars in value. She and her husband had were also found to have defrauded a relative's children of money from thier estate. She also recieved thousands for selling her story to the tabloids

Wow I didn't notice that one 😂😂 perhaps his mom told him that lol

That's what they're supposed to do

Idk Idk that’s because they are lying

@@famousjb8300 of course it doesn't. The opposite is true.

@@luluagate5040 no, they're lying

@@dovenwings4561 what are you basing your conviction about that on? They speak like survivors of sexual abuse.

@@luluagate5040 so much you have to learn about sex abuse and body language.

Angelica Carrillo says the one who has no actual proof of these allegations

Bri Thompson where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

@@angelicacarrillo2671 nope wrong

Way to state the obvious

& that goes for whomever great talented artist” u admire as well⁉️

Sounds real to me.

The parents knew😔😒

Give them a lie detector test and then we’ll talk about it

Why do you still doubt it when many victims are sharing their story. It was always sick for a grown man to have sleepovers with other people's small male children

I feel the exact same way....mixed feelings...one side of me feels he wouldn't hurt a fly due to his soft spoken, shy, nice kind demeanor but then i look at the obsession he had with little white boys then the fact that he changed his entire appearance to look like a white man. Its the obsession with whiteness that kinda had me suspicious.

April Willis exactly

That’s quite telling

He is just wanted attention and people are giving them big fat cheque for lying . How nice to speak of the dead like the dead can jump up and testify against all this bullsh!t. He have left and they still.want to milk.as much from this trash testimonial.

@benny pitt And how many of those actresses had their stories completely debunked as proven lies? None of them

He unfortunately could not 'BEAT IT" 😂 LOL

Freddy Tolbert because it wasn't their fault I mean micheal Jackson invited them to his house who would of said no. and there parents didn't know he was a peado either and if it's anyone's fault it's micheals if the stories are true anyway but tbh I think I believe micheal the most .

You do if you know the grown man well. Who do you think people leave their kids with when they get a babysitter?

not only that buy he was 5 when he met mj

@@annlanders978 usually an older child

Good point but I think the fact that Michael came across so childlike, innocent, and asexual probably made the parents comfortable, not to mention I'm sure he was grooming the parents as well as the kids. And their kids were so happy with him. There probably were many parents who did not allow their children to stay at Michael's but for some reason the parents of these two trusted him. Alas.

I saw a long video about him being abused as a small child by QJ

@@zainaraqs Sorry, but who is Q.J.?, if you don't mind sharing. I could not find video, thanks! 🙂

@@joletty1793 Quincy Jones

@@benitotorres3157 Thank you!!!

The media gives ALL of the so called victims of MJ credibility. They even protect their OBVIOUS LIES to help them. It's really funny too. I can still remember MJ's trial in 2005 when the Arvizo's took the stand and jurors WERE LAUGHING. It was really funny when they claimed MJ abducted Gavin AFTER the Bashir documentary aired and THAT'S when the assault occurred for the FIRST TIME. There abduction lie was PROVEN with receipts of them OUT DINING during their abduction. 🤣 They couldn't turn the Arvizo story into a documentary because people would have been laughing. I would have liked to have seen the part of them claiming they tried to escape Neverland in MJ's hotair balloon. 🤣 They couldn't turn the Chandler case into a documentary either with his tape phone conversation saying "If I go through with this I WIN BIG TIME....I WILL GET EVERYTHING I WANT." Since these 2 didn't have credible stories, they decided to INVENT one with Wade and James since there's NEVER went under cross examination. I guess the Train House that NEVER existed would be the laughing stock of James' testimony since in his documentary he put such a focus on it with the wedding and repeated fake assaults in the invisible Train House. 🤣Wade's would be asked about appearing in a criminal trial now claiming he LIED in a CRIMINAL TRIAL when he stated MJ NEVER TOUCHED HIM. I have NEVER seen a molestation trial where the victim gets on the stand to LIE in a criminal trial risking going to prison for 5 years for Perjury. I would like to see the parts where he and his wife were at MJ's Neverland or what he called "sacred land" in 2007 filming. I guess the defense attorney could call it "Return to Neverland."🤣 I would also like to see the letter James sent to MJ's Estate wanting to do a tribute to him in Vegas called One. You do realize his accusation came AFTER he was rejected then sued the Estate for a billion dollars. 🤣 Or Wade participating in a dance routine with Janet at the 2009 MTV Award. I would also like to include the write up he did for MJ's Opus in 2009 where he said MJ is such a caring person and said he is "enchanting the HEAVENS."

You dont speak for everyone. Get over the fact that your buddy MJ was a Nederland pervert. Just like the guy who created Peter pan.

Are you kidding? MJ used manipulation and his social status to get away with this. Its completely obvious..... open your eyes

And even worse he continued to hang around MJ to 20 more years. Who does that keep staying with your ABUSER for decades? Then announce at age 32 suddenly I was abused absolute LIE.

you are what is the problem in this world

😂😂😂 exactly

Lol

Their mothers said that they never told them about the abuse till they went to therapy in 2013 and realized that they were abused in the same documentary wade mother said on 2009 Michael died she was rejoicing that Michael won't be abusing more children. Hahaha wasn't it so funny how they contradict themselves in the same documentary that meant to expose their truths 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

lololol

Haha!

Men are not the only people capable of sexual abuse

Yo, chill.

Agree

S Mc or women

William f. So defensive.

Mj didnt do enything he is inoccent🤬

@@obliixus5142 No he's not

@@zyarapouria2177 shut up🤬 Whene you dont have any prooves that he did it how can you say that his guilty🤬🤬🤬🤬

@@zyarapouria2177 and these guys are telling a lie

it was not molestation, there was sexual acts involved.

Yeah except he is a proven liar and you aren't. It's never the victims fault. Hope you are well .. ♥️

Yes that is a weapon used by predators.

@@austinvalentine6126 thank you and yes I am it happened when I was 5 I’m 24 now and happy than ever

the difference is you was a child this is a grown man

I felt the same way. I always felts it was my fault. When my parents found out I still felt that way because they said why didn't you say something and they couldn't believe it after years of abuse from my uncle. They still after finding out didn't hug me or say I'm sorry or anything super messed up

Yup they just trynna get paid.

They are lying of coz

Monica Merino honestly

you should check their LEAKED VIDEO which exposed them as frauds, they cheated you all! check their leaked video for yourself, dont let your sympathy for victims to be misused by anyone who has the motive of money : leavingneverlandtruth.blogspot.com/p/documentariesvideos-that-exposes-truth.html

You can STOP holding up these two Liars. My new LIEDoc video proves this is not about Metoo but Lietoo. Check out >>>>> LieDoc Leaving Neverland is a HILARIOUS COMEDY: 12 REASONS Michael is INNOCENT!!🤣

well he did

@@imjustanameless nobody knows that

@@trulysadbread what we do know is that he did in fact sleep in the same bed with children. He even said it himself. It's inappropriate under any circumstances for a GROWN adult man to share the bed with children that aren't even related to him. A grown man should not be having "sleep overs" with literal kids. It's so crazy that people try to justify this. If this was any other person everyone would be quick to condemn him and label him a creep.

@@imjustanameless he was already condemned “creep” and yes, it is true, but as I said, nobody knows if he truly DID touch them like that. People don’t try to justify him,it’s not really his fault that he had a life like that.

oscar hernandez yes

oscar hernandez damn right 💯

Yup, it's too inconsistent

But why would a grown man have a a place called neverland

CreativityMafia THIS!!! I already have problems to remember things from last month man

there are people who have that kind of memory. my brother has extremely VIVID memories from when he was 2, hes 38 this year. surprising, but not impossible.

I have one memory as a toddler...one...that memory has stuck with me bcuz it involved sexual abuse.

It’s true some people don’t remember anything from that age but in my case I was in an accident when I was 14 months old and I remember it

I actually remember my whole life from 2 yrs old. I have pictures of me at 2 that I remember and the house we lived in that year. I dont even remember what I did yesterday

Luis Hern defended him when they manipulated for years as a child. Grow up .

@@Xdaddyslilmonster do your research Ms "i know it all"

Dominique Garcia lmao ur an idiot if this was real you would report it sooner and theres 0 evidence of everything just words Wow what valuable evidence Maybe i should just say that the earth is square and have 0 evidence to back it up too Also who describes abuse with absolutely 0 emotions ... cough cough

Luis Hern right

@@Xdaddyslilmonster after being abused why would he have continued to praise and him and dance to his music. He insisted on being part of Cirque's michael jackson perfomancce and wanted to do a tribute for him on 'so you think you can dance'. Wade's stories on the documentary were different to what he had told in the 2016 deposition. Its all lies

😭😂

Lol😂🤣🤣

My thoughts too

Says a lot about you and not him

Lol 😆 I know how could anyone, remember being a 2 Yr old kid, it's all money, no way would all this pretence would exist if MJ was alive, bloody gold diggers, no guilt either 😉

The trembling in his voice is worrying he might forget his LYING rehearsed script which he did forget and the LIES failed .... very badly. What a dam fool.

@@whotrickedyou u must understand that Michael Jackson is human too and makes mistakes… the Question is Why would they be lying? It's stupid to think emotionally about celebrities in general!, You're completely deluded dude. Lol with this motive you remind me of BTS fans or as they call themselves (army)😂

@@whotrickedyou " What a dam fool ????!?!!?!? " Don't make me take this seriously 😇

​@@X7l4money they'd lie for it even sell their souls to the devil for it

@@kj21 I think I get it… but this still doesn’t means that’s they’re certainly lying

Ya think?????

Ok miss body language expert, what about the island now. You all should stop being brainwashed and open your eyes, how much did he spent time with kids and having no interest of grown up women! This is just sick and I wish from the bottom of my heart that god punish him if those acts were true.

Body language experts say that they are telling the truth.

They don't even know how to lie 😂

It’s not unheard of to go to the Grand Canyon while visiting California

MOONWALKER FOREVER lmfao I’m chortling at 3:00 am pls send help

Its very common to go from Cali to Grand Canyon and Las Vegas, especially for tourists...because taking buses to go to both places is the cheaper route.

@@Yahuah222 I lived in California. I can confirm it's a very long drive. It's not just something you go spend 4 hours at and go back.