Should have cut the commanders ear off and poured petrol on him. Turn your fucking key NOW sir!

you are sick.

"Turn your KEY Sir, or I'll shoot you and then you won't be ABLE to turn your key!"

Each wing (150 missiles divided evenly between 15 launch control facilities) [Edit had it wrong lol] had a supreme LCC that could take over in cases like this. Each silo could also be controlled by the looking glass and TACOMO planes. Pretty pointless to get a gun out over not having personally responsible for vaporizing the Minsk telephone factory or whatever.

True, but it was 150 missiles controlled by 15 control centers.

:-) seeing that the uniform and red scarf were exactly like mine during alert.

It should scare you. It should scare the shit out of every man, woman and child that this scenario is so close to reality.

Perhaps even more, as I am older. I don't know if I could turn that key.....Even if the missiles were coming. Why make more of the world dead.....

@@s.hooper5667 And if they both turned your keys at the same time the question that ponder me, To be or not to be? Would those missiles have launched due to a glitch, even although this was supposed to be a simulated drill to see how the men would respond in the silos?

That "Scene" you speak of will be a reality soon enough. The END you speak of is closer than you think.

grcboy29 BREAK - BREAK

"Til next time, keep your missiles on the ground, and keep reaching for the stars."

"AUDIO KIT will conduct a 494L exercise, followed by a GIANT BALL exercise and UHF/HF comm poll beginning at 1317Z...."

Ah, the oldies

That's one hell of a long distance dedication.

Something somewhat similar actually happened in 1983. A Soviet officer (Stanislav Petrov) received an alert from a Soviet satellite that there was an incoming U.S. missile strike. He disobeyed protocol by disregarded the alert as a false alert. Had he followed procedure, the Soviet Union would have responded with a strike of its own, kicking off a global conflict.

“Almighty Bomb, who destroyed all devils, and created angels!!”

Little does everyone NOW know 40k feet up another person can override the other dudes call on the key, and send the ICBM.

@@Backyardmech1 TACAMO!

Turn your key sir.

The purpose of the firearm was another MAD pack. It ensures that both men in the silo know that if they dont carry out the order, they will die, incentivizing them to follow through with the order

@@rufushowell Except not really. It's entirely possible to do something, knowing that you will die for it, while saving millions.

jursamaj Thinking the bigger picture is good, but when you’re thinking you’re going to die regardless, turning a key, or nuclear winter, you’re screwed. Turn the key, maybe military will come to get you... eventually, don’t turn it your coworker shoots you.

@@Backyardmech1 Sounds like that would make the decision simpler: *you're* screwed either way, but why take millions of others with you?

jursamaj because you swore an oath

Big Gulp cup...no lid or straw I miss the 80s😪

@@mattgiguere5638 A distinct memory of August 1985 is stopping at 7-11 and grabbing a Double Gulp of Diet Coke. My wife and I had just hiked-in to the site of where our new house would be. The roads were roughed-in with gravel. It was sweltering. We spoke to the builder who was, by coincidence, on-site too. We asked to have two big boulders positioned in what would be the backyard. He gave us a handwritten receipt of our request. My wife, more demurely, picked out 12 oz. iced tea at 7-11. I remember the '80s and I wish I had appreciated them more at the time. It was a busy time at work. My wife and I started boxing-up things for the move when we got home. I set my Double Gulp cup down on my side of the dresser and it left a ring. I still have that dresser and the faint ring is still visible. My wife passed away in June of 2002 and I have since moved but the memory of the day, the '80s, and a number of other memories remain.

@@TralfazConstruction Amen! 🙏🏼 We're the same u and I. and I'm not quoting Falling Down. God bless u.

@@mattgiguere5638 Thank you, Matt! Best wishes to you, always.

@@TralfazConstruction Sorry for you loss sir 😢

"turn your key or I will shoot you and then your key will definitely not get turned"

@@CFox.7 I was gonna say.....

What movie is this

Hateful 8

He was in Wyatt Earp with Kevin Costner

Truly underrated. He will forever be immortalized in my mind as Leo McGarry from The West Wing. An absolute monster of an actor.

@@MKucheran An as FBI Director James Womack in "The Rock".

@@MKucheran west wing is a freaking amazing show... love watching it over and over... if only we had martin for president now...

Oh dear, another moron saying something massively successful and popular is underrated. Have you EVER had an original thought, cretin?

I’ve been using the sentences, Your turn next, Ginsberg and You’re a prince Fethen for the past 38 years.

rated just fine....did good at the box office back in the day, Rotten tomatoes gives it 94 %, most older movie watchers know it and like it. Had influence on early discussions about IT and the dangers thereof.

Not underrated at all.

Underrated? You mean one of the most famous and well liked movies of the entire 1980's? The same movie that (along with Sneakers) is still considered as having some of the most realistic depictions of social engineering (hacking) depicted in media? The same movie that helped make Matthew Broderick a star?

It was 1983.

@@SMFCNA Really? That recent? Thanks for the clarification

It happened twice- ignored the first AND the second warnings. Brass balls.

You realize that in this case it was a test and the missiles would not have launched I guess you never watched the movie

​@@travisjohnson6676I think you mixed up two different real incidents where Soviet officers saved the world from nuclear war. One was in 1962, with Vasily Arkhipov, but he was aboard a nuclear-armed submarine off Cuba, not controlling ICBMs. The other was 1983, with Stanislav Petrov at a missile warning station. In the 1962 case, during the American blockade of Cuba, the submarine crew was out of contact with their base and misunderstood what was happening, whereas the 1983 case was a technical failure that produced a false alarm.

With a strategic nuclear missile you always kill countless innocent civilians. women, children. Hundreds of thousands. Complete madness!

+SrTuco I agree. It was both funny, and serious at the same time. Bevan still annoys me. Who played him?

I lived through the last few years of the Cold War. Movies like "Threads," showing an infinitely bleaker picture than cosy "The Day After" fare. For some reason, I always get a kick out of this whole sequence. The veteran superior officer having second thoughts at the last second while the rookie who was scared shitless at the start then going through with the entire procedure like a true Kamikaze.

SrTuco Best scene ever is Reservoir Dogs' breakfast scene and it's a opening scene too.

Yes.

It beautifully set the stage and the stakes for the rest of the movie.

admit it you have always wanted to find that house with the elevator and hidden nuke silo built inside it to go and watch tv there🤣

Just looked up John Spencer on imdb and I've seen a lot of the things he's been in.

@Jonathan Trapp Loved him in The West Wing ... so sorry he has passed ... and it was kinda creepy it being the same thing as his character almost died of ...

@@Dcart5 He was in "The Rock" as FBI Director James Womack. 1996

RobARug lmaoooooo

Go watch Dr. Strangelove or How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

@@davidprince1138 I did. Now I have to answer to the Coca-Cola company.

He should have brought his hanzo sword

@@jeffteampeterson he sold it already

Next he would become Bump Bailey, outfielder for the NY Knights in ‘The Natural’.

i can't believe that is michael madsen. it's insane. i thought it was another actor. wow....

Cigarettes change a person's voice considerably over the years

Yeah that's one of the only things I didn't like about this film. The voices they used for the missile commander & the fighter pilot were a lil over the top & sounded like radio DJ's.

Well I sure would like to have some quality voice talent barking orders at me before I kill 20 million people.

Seen this movie countless times and I'm only now realizing that's Casey Kasem.

Devin Tariel Remember, keep your feet on the ground, and keep reaching for those launch codes.

Zoinks Scoob

It looks like the launch control facility of minuteman, but the missile silo of titan. I was confused about that as well.

Not being up to scratch on missile types, I wouldn't have really known the difference.

Where is Eddie Deezen?

The whole thing is up on KZfaq now

@@Sshooter444 Eddie is one of the computer experts Lightman goes to see. The big guy yells at him and calls him Mr. Potatohead... 🤣

Someone's pulled alert duty before....Except we called the "LCF's" or Launch Control Facilities .. But yeah. Redundancy is a biotch.

Nah - day after was more powerful

I see someone else worked in the missile fields

Well thanks 4 that tidy bit...I always wondered about that👍

I can't remember the documentary, its on KZfaq somewhere, where there were quite a few failings with the crews in these places.

Well in the grand history of Movies Depicting Things Incorrectly that is pretty good going.

The whole system fails when you have a lunatic for a President who alone can order a nuclear strike... god help us all!

LOL - Technically, he worked for the L.A. law firm Mackenzie Brackman before the White House. This would have been before his lawyer days. 🙂

They reference an incident similar to this one in one of the episodes IIRC - I believe Will Bailey is off to defend the crew - which I guess was something of an easter egg.

Well, we knew Leo was in the Air Force.

Got his arm broke by Sean Connery

Later on he moved to Seattle to live with his son, a famous radio psychiatrist

Well, it is basically realistic except for the not turning keys part.

Well, they had to establish a justification for replacing the human missile silo crews with an automated, AI-controlled system. If they couldn't do that, then the whole movie can't work. So I don't begrudge them sacrificing realism for this scene.

A code-name likely, because in this underground world of missile launching, you are not allowed generally to give out real names - they try to keep things top-secret.

Dropkick was also the name of an early Cold War nuclear war plan, and referred to an all out nuclear strike on the entire Communist world. It's from that war plan that the US President's nuclear briefcase that follows him everywhere became known as the "nuclear football".

Also, "Skybird" was a call sign for all ICBMs and "Sky King" was a call sign for all SAC aircraft.

@@bluesrocker91 was that not SIOP?

Skybird! Skybird! Do not answer! This is Sky King. Message follows.

+David La Ahh...the hell with it. Let's play and get it over with. The waiting is driving me nuts!

its been going on in Afghanistan for 14 years now, costing US tax payers 700 billion dollars

David La the military industrial complex is happy tho

I find it hard to believe that Joshua didn't also learn how to cheat.

@@LaBrother Could have rebuilt each and every bridge and most roads in the US by now, twice.

+Neville James Martin I didn't realise it was Leo McGary (sp?) either till I had already watched the entire West Wing series, and then watched this clip! Leo would have turned the key haha.

' I can feel it the air tonight ..boom ,booom" ..99 red balloons...

"I want someone to use his fucking brain, and not come out of an uptempo number straight into a goddamn thermonuclear holocaust. It's impossible to make those transitions, man."

I think it was only a test to see if they'd actually go through with it. The noodles weren't actually going to launch

There's great documentary about that - combination of Soviet paranoia and how system work and badly timed exercise ... funny thing is, that largest anti-nuke demonstrations took place after crisis that nobody knew about was over: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/asmepahntM7aips.html

Did you have ID cards or Hi-Tech retinal scans like at my pappy's house?

If there was a winter storm raging outside you didn't enter my grandpa's house. You stand out there and freeze until it's over and don't let that cold air in!

+Dis Pater according to IMDB it does.

Yes. It's one of a few sight gags in the movie.

I didn't see the sign but if it was there, it had to have been Hollywood who added something as stupid.

@@Bbendfender Well given what you hear about the bad state of the toilets in some launch bunkers the sign my be accurate nowadays.

It’s foreshadowing for the end of the movie when the General says, “Hell, I’d piss on a spark plug if I thought it’d help!”

Hard to believe he was 35 in this. I thought he was 50.

didnt know he passed, RIP indeed

or that he was talking about getting high on premium weed.

Name of the movie

Wargames

@Főfasírozó They're supporting the ideal not the reality. Modern soldiers do have an easy ride compared to the old shooting wars of the early 20th or late 19th century.

@Főfasírozó the Top 4 richest countries in Africa have consistently been South Africa, Nigeria, Algeria, and Egypt, and this has been true for decades, both before and after the deposition of Gaddafi

God, I wish I could find a good quality copy of "First Strike"....BEST documentary out there of nuclear alert in the 80s....

yeah he was

Master key. The last thing you'd want to break during launch process. And yes, that's like "don't panic" sign. But one which actually would work.

Would the spark plug be energized and in a functioning system or just laying on the floor because it may make a difference.

Mine too. How are you doing after 14 years?

Is this the movie with Matthew Broderick

I doubt he was cashiered by the air force, probably reassigned to another (less attractive) job. People who watch this scene figure that these guys are failures, yet the point of the plot is that they're not failures, they're human, and there's no way to change that. That's why they put WOPR relays in every silo.

@@winternow2242 and now we have SKYNET in which human decisions have been removed from all strategic defense.

And all while struggling with alcoholism. Hell of a guy.

Also notice the precursor to the famous "Walk and Talk".

@elshpen : Don't forget he also served as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency Wolmack.

Dunno, but I can see how some seasoned left handed person doesn't want the holster to be on left hip to impede normal movements considering the gun is for use in extreme situations only. All he has to do is reach across the body.... get the picture??

+Ken Baker Sadly, the B-2 is already looking at being replaced. Sad for the years of exceptional performance of the aircraft. However, good for for national security, and Boing haha.

B-52s......Up the Ass!!!

I know!!!

With an assist from Mr. Blonde!

After he got shot down in Vietnam the Air Force put him in the silos..

@@ptroinks Too be fair he was abusing Valium in the 90's. Who knows what he was doing in the 80's.

@@KMcNally117 It's pretty hard to abuse Valium

That's the rule of the job. If you don't complete the launch you die. If he gets to the point where he has to shoot him it wouldn't have been a successful launch anyway. The point is that they know going in the other one is a) armed with a weapon, and b) on orders to kill his partner if he breaches protocol. Because of these two facts, people are far less likely to breach protocol.

Matthew Parker Good point, thanks.

The truth is, there has never been a protocol like that in the history of missilery. At least not in the United States. Src: www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/16jyia/iama_a_former_nuclear_missile_officer_i_spent/

It seems that in the original story for this scene is this: the one who refused to launch the missile, is the same person who forced his teammate to follow his action, instead of the other way around. (Here, he got a gun. Unlikely, because weapons are usually locked in a locker) However, because it betrayed the 'Holywood Logic' message of 'peaceful people don't plan to kill people or force people'. They swapped it, causing a plot hole of 'if you killed him and he's dead, how will the missile be launched?' thing. Basically, the story got edited, causing a plot hole.

You're all fucking wrong. They simply added the 'threatening with a gun' to add drama. Logic has nothing to do with it. Way I see it: the junior officer became overly emotional and was trying to convince his superior to turn the key. If he wouldn't he was going to shoot him anyway. No missiles launched but at least he killed an enemy of the SAC. I mean, USA. Anyway, followin nuclear Armageddon, it would have been mainly the SAC that survived. Not the USA.

Hello and welcome again it's the LockPickingLawyer

You would know, you Commie Spy!

That’s another great movie along these lines.

That's a fucking stupid line because God is obviously perfectly fine with nuclear weapons.

Ah ya...ur silly☺️

I never would have known without you pointing it out... not up on my 1970's drug terminology

Well I used to be a big pothead....now that it's legal in Oregon...my COPD makes it hard to toke up...ironery huh? Good fick!

See who said te youth off to day aren't smart!!