just a heads up. your thumbnail is slightly misleading. her PL was never part of nijiEN she was part of nijiID then just niji

Bro, please at least change your thumbnail to at least just NIJI not EN.. (it wont take too much time I'm sure) Share Michi clip all you want but respect the ID branch bro..

Dude, this video is getting traction, please fix that thumbnail she was never EN, she was from ID, though I don’t know if it was as bad as EN, it was still different management to my understanding

Maybe even a Vtuber rehabilitation center in general.

@@sportballotaku2139 it seems to just come naturally to them, but that said I don't know because I've never seen for myself what that world is like

And then there was a sad girl rehabilitation agency

​@@seaweedisvegetable8465there's also a coffee production agency, unless we're talking about the same thing

​@@sportballotaku2139A little bit, the Vtubers they have from other past agencies, most if not all, left in good terms with said agency. The ones that were from Kurosanji were who needed to heal. And a Sanji graduates a whole lot more than anyone else, so if anything, its that Sanji floods the market with it, so VShoujo just have to take it

ZENNNNNNNNNNNN!

ZEEEEEEEEEN! 😆

ZEEEEEEEENNNNN

ZEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNN!!!

ZZEEENNNNNNN!

This is unacceptably similar to those videos you see of pet owners showing of their wonderful dogs that start with "They were rescued from an abusive home..."

Actually, a better example is a Zoo animal trying to return to nature... The amount of trauma that Zoo animals go through is about par for the course for Nijisanji

Or an abused dog being shown love. A friend of mine has one of those. The dog shoves a bunch of food into his mouth before eating it in a corner, because he was constantly fighting other dogs for food.

Bro, this exactly!! It's like when you release a bird outside. Vshojo's all like "be free! Do whatever!" And she's just sitting there like "wat" 🤣🤣

Aware

therapy*

hopefully they dont take all the parts. some might be damaged or rotten

is it still Niji if they strip it to the core and rebuild using the same parts?

@@yuugael4010 Ship of Nijisanseus

VShoujo is turning into Foster's Home For Neglected VTubers.

more like a sunk Yacht

I think Nijisanji and VShojo are the two opposite sides of the spectrum. Nijisanji is like the old music label boss. A VShojo manager is more like an agent in entertainment or a lawyer or accountant, who you pay to do things for you.

Again, its good to see that they have really taken the manager role seriously after their slip ups in the past. Seeing any kind of company or organization ACTUALLY LEARN FROM MISTAKES is a rarity these days.

Kuro said the same thing too

@@autohmae I'd take it a step further and classify VShojo as a band. The members basically own the company, and they employ the management wing. It's a little more centralized than various talents employing the same agent.

@@charliekahn4205 I often think this, but then remember GunRun is their CEO as well.

I remember when Niji was "where the cool kids are" and Vshojo was this "who? idk maybe they'll stay around for a year or something". Oh how things change.

well compared with what they can say vs holo they do, but holo treats their employees a little better. Phase Connect Idol or Vshojo are better though in terms of almost everything. Vshojo has clique like Niji and you won't enter if not already hugely succesful and friend with people inside. Phase and Idol are less famous so getting known is harder, the initial fanbase and growth will be less. All of those three have less experience and contacts in terms of 3d concerts and such but if you are not a singing artist getting into holo, does not seem worth cause you will be very restrained in eveything else you can do and in niji, nowadays, it does not make sense to try to enter unless extremely desperate.

@@webaazul2500VShojo membes have always been bigger than NijiEN and only the Luxiem boys could be compared in size to the likes of Mouse, Vei, Silver, Zen, Nyanners and Melody.

Remember when people meme'd on "talent freedom" as the tagline for VSJ

​@@guilguis4820 seeing Vox Akuma new outfit reveal with only 6k ppl says that no one now in Nijisanji has the same level in Vshojo.

Michi: I... Wait really no rules? At all? The Team: Do you want rules? We can do that if you want! Michi:... I... Help...

Tell me more about this "fun" thing you speak of... 🤔?

The Team: We have another rule though. Michi: Which is? The Team: If someone gives you a hard time, you have to blame Zen before anything else.

This is what I was thinking except the Team follows up with : Or the law.

Mel after finger blasting herself on chaturbate: No seriously. Do what you want and have fun.

man I think most of those still in have PTSD of some level, and the last few month ain't helping them.

If nijiEn fucked, imagine how horrible situation on NijiID

​@@yogavzman...

​@@yogavz Actually, apparently NijiID management was actually good. Things went south when the branch got merged.

@@Earliersphere As an example Rosemi is now taking time off to sort out her mental. She also didn't stream for the two weeks after Selen's termination, she claimed it was because she was sick, but Petra also didn't stream either. I am pretty sure her stress levels are through the roof. Hopefully Matara is talking to her behind the scenes

Its like dating a girl and shes saying "No, this is wrong, you are being too nice, what do you want?" Turns out, when you date someone who previous partners abused and cheated, they wont know how to take kindness. It took me 3 years to de-program her. Then she dumped and started dating another abuser... FML

@@Pherim_f all i can say to that is "f"

​@@Pherim_What's even the mental process behind that?? I can't imagine a good reason for dumping someone who's not just a passionate aide in life as well as a voluntary, FOC rehab center

​@@Pherim_HE THOUGHT HE COULD FIX HER 😂😂😂😂

Less so exposure therapy more like weaning them out of a bad environment, just like you can't give someone who's starving themselves a massive meal. Gotta wind them up to normal meals. Same shit with Michis rules

And Mata, and Mint, and Kuro...... a pattern? No no surely not.

​@@ectothermici dont believe in patterns, only trends. Wait--

​@@ectothermicdefinitely not

​@@ectothermicIf it's a pattern it's a negligible one. 😋

@@TailsTheFoxy Yea, 100% is defiantly “negligible”😂

When being treated properly makes you feel weird. F Niji.

Niji is sinking the yacht While hololive is growing stronger And V Shojo and phase connect + other vtuber companies growing and improving

Just niji en man not jp.

@@user-bd1hx6wg4j JP fired one of their members for causing outrage with a harmless uneducated baseball comment.

@@user-bd1hx6wg4j No, it's similar just not as bad and badly managed as EN. The most popular goldenchilds are treated well, the other dozens are practically given similar EN treatment/neglect.

Vshojo: We have a camgirl vtuber! You do WHATEVER you want!

Vshojo: look if we can handle ironmouse, silvervale, nyanners, froot, melody, veibae , zen, heck even kson we can handle anything you throw at us.

I don't really believe that they're that nonchalant, but more like they have the experience capability and resources to seamlessly and effortlessly deal with the aftermath of anything that the talents throw at them.

"But what if i-" "WOMAN"

"Have you seen our founding talents? Chaos is the only constant around here!"

Its more like: "Well, our policy is not break TOS of the platform you stream on... and don't you ever, not in a millisecond, not even in a slightest thought that ran through your mind, don't you ever trust Zen."

​@@inspector_beyondfirst VShojo Lethal Company Collab Michi: (trusts Zen, immediately dies) ZEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just have to pray that the staff learned their lesson after what happened with both the Nux Taku drama and the insane amount of abuse Silvervale went through, they had basically no protection for their members.

@@xanthiusdrake2775 Frankly if Vshojo had real rules then the Nux Taku drama would have never blown out of proportion. Responding to Nux publicly and without waiting for a proper debrief was a huge part of the problem.

@@afelias It was just a shitshow that toxic people still bring up to this day. All parties were operating with fragments of info and a ton of incorrect assumptions, leading to escalations between parties that were really all on the same side.

@@uselessprotaganist7444 It was a drama that no one won. EVERYONE lost something from that drama, and it's why there isn't a public apology video, as such a video would imply that someone "Won" the drama. Even if everyone posted it at the same time, most would only see one of those videos and formulate their entire opinion on that video alone. It's why they settled everything behind closed doors and don't talk about it as there's nothing to gain from making it public, it would only just paint targets on everyone.

@@daddysempaichanyea exactly. Neither sides really gain anything from doing that either.

And phase connect recruits entirely from the basements of asylums

​@@TheCreepyLanternLets be Honest, Sakana is just looking at Vtubers and saying "You know what, i've never seen someone like you, you are wierd. Hired"

Today's Niji is similar to early days' Holo. The difference is that Holo saw that they were being shackled by that mindset, and are getting better every year

​@@Pherim_So fking true He didn't choose them because they're sad, he chose them because they somehow barely passed the "mental rehab test" in his nearest asylum Some are more mentally reformed than others, but you'll always have moments of "Just why?" with most of them

​@@Pherim_on the contrary, while it had vulnerabilities they were on the right track with that mindset. After the copyright scare they overcorrected and resulted in some very dumb moments like no outside collabs, no charities, banning Coco for 3 weeks, etc. They've slowly gotten much better overtime in both restriction and managerial support, but small stupid shit like no gloveless hands and no casual product namedrops continue to linger.

Vshojo a.k.a Vtuber Rehabilitation Centre

Niji: Pouring more fuel in their own burning house VShojo: Whelp, new wave of refugees inbound, see which artists we can tap, get the branding team on notice, spin up the hype machines. We should probably look at having a therapist on staff too at this point.

Maybe if this keeps up, then all the en talents will have a chance to redeem themselves if they leave niji and joined vshojo.

@@IdaliBaez-em8eii hope not ALL of nijien ends up joining cause as Doki said there is internal problems within the talents themself not even the staff

⁠@@IdaliBaez-em8eiShip of Nijiseus

wouldn't be the first new vshojo member to find out after joining that mel's literally a virtual camgirl 😂

"Melody is working out at the personal private gym."

​@@Mewseeker"but when she's finished, she's finished!"

​"It's kind of like yoga, kind of, yeah..." 😏

I keep forgetting you meant Mel and in Melody not Mel as in Yozora Mel

And in doing so, _VShojo_ makes very good money. Shocker! 😯 Seriously, the financial sector has become so brain-dead with the hyperfocus on maximum short-term gains that good business practices, with an emphasis on thinking well beyond the next 4 months, now seem like a novelty.

@@spk1121Some people like to step on other people’s heads on their way to upward social mobility. It’s not surprising that some companies are doing little to improve their corporate culture just because they’re obsessed over numbers.

The power of Vshojo is never to be forgotten.

Vshojo works? I thought it was upheld by a variety of precarious bs, interlocking insanity, and the “???” Step before profit

This is what I was thinking. It's been awhile since we've really gone all out and rescued multiple dogs in a year, but are most recent is another one, and she came from not a great place. Everything over having her has been trying to ease her into things, getting surprised at some normal things that terrify her, and basically just enjoying petting her and covering her up in a blanket because she rolls around like a pig and mud and it's quite obvious that being inside where it's warm, and having actual comfort, are new things to her. And of course, we will provide. Hearing about the shock going from one company to another, that's exactly what it reminded me of.

Which set of eyes? She has more than a few >.>

@@TransientWitch😂 Tsk tsk tsk, naughty you.

Her forehead too

Those pupils, they do so much growing and shrinking

Heavenly.

What are you talking about? This was totally her first debut stream ever

Ok, so there's Michi, Matara, and who was the third one again? I can't remember if Pikamee was part of Niji or not.

​@@swigmcale7555Pikamee was part of VOMS, they're referring to kuro

@@thewitchhh_ Ah, ok

@@swigmcale7555 K9Kuro was Mysta Rhias. Pikamee wasn't in Niji.

Almost all ex-nijis had said "wait, I can play [game name] on stream now!" at some point. Indie or corpo.

Yang lalu dibubarkan dan disatukan di NIJISANJI . Man i wish a certain fisher is out of there too.. then he can colab again with a certain bird... 😊

More akin to going from a slave plantation to being free, you went from earning money for people that hate you to earning money for yourself on your own time.

They still make a lot of money at Nijisanji rather often. I mean Doki made over 200k! She simply spent all of it on her projects. Of course that doesn't excuse anything. Especially the lack of support and sabotage are brutal.

@@ThePandafriendNijisanji is literally the most incompetent company ever created. Literally they are just trying to mistreat anyone who joins it. But guess what? Vshojo has a huge advantage and a lot more pros than cons compared to nijisanji. Hence why we have doki/Selen there and more ex nijisanji livers here as well. We welcome them with open arms. Nijisanji does not. Edit: I was meaning to correct myself here with doki. She is indie and she’s not apart of Vshojo. My fault guys.

@@darklord1366 No, they are not the most incompetent company. They are mistreating their employees, no doubt about that, and they show quite some incompetence, but at the end of the day they are still a highly profitable company. You don't get into such a position by being incompetent.

@@ThePandafriend Yeah except Doki made that 200k, NOT Nijisanji, if anything she earned money in spite of Nijisanji. We already know the talents have to do everything themselves including paying for new models, their gear, their intros, their outros, events they have planned, appearances at conventions, concerts, blah blah blah. The only thing Niji did is give them a brand name to work under and the base 2d character model/design.

tbh yeah, I dont really watch Vshojo's content that much, but I am happy for the talents there and especially the managers literally cares about their talent

I watch henya a lot. I just wanna make a point real quick. Henya is such a bright gentle soul. I actually love her a lot to the point to where I’d collab with her a lot. Just because of how nice she is.

I still feel like Hololive is slightly better in term of balancing strictness/freedom and providing support and opportunity for growth. Yes, definitely holo is stricter than vshoujo, but there's rhyme and reason behind the rules. Ugh... I still feel icky simping for a company, but that's what I genuinely feel. Also, people tends to mistake the craziness among niji livers as freedom while it was actually neglect and vague rules.

Compared to [unnamed other company] that seems to drag their feet, and use the due date as a guideline on when to start working on it, they must seem far

I can hear Parrot4chan reading your comment 😂

@@teslameccano9046 "GUNRUN YOU GOAT, I KNEEEEEEEEEL"

BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY

Hell yea they are

Michi: NANI????

Think you forgot Sayu. That's 5 with Doki, Kuro, Matara and now Michi.

Suddenly this has become the religious study of chain of narration in order to ascertain the truthfulness of statements made by different people formerly working in the same agency. We could make a religion out of this.

@@FiredAndIced not sure about the religious bit, but the EN chain goes something like this : -Zaion is terminated for various reasons, several of which boil down to "resisting Niji tyranny". Sayu leaks just about everything people are now accepting as the truth, but back then most considered outright slander. Those who listened become more skeptical, but the overall public impression remains mostly the same. -Nina graduates. First NijiEN liver to even HAVE a graduation stream. -Mysta graduates. He was scheduled to graduate months earlier, even ahead of Nina, but personally chose to release his first original song beforehand. Redebuts as Kuro. Makes several comments regarding Niji work environment, on top of his previous thinly veiled complaints as Mysta. Those in the know feel vindicated, public opinion begins to sour. -Matara joins VShojo. Her astonishment at the difference in work environment is plain to see. Public opinion is rapidly approaching point of no return. -Mika graduates and goes quiet. She claims not to know what she'll do after retirement, but most people already speculate she'll move to VShojo, since they've basically earned their "Niji rehab facility" and "VTuber retirement home" labels after Kuro and Matara. -Sometime around Mika's graduation, the Selen megayab happens. Selen is forced into silence. Speculations abound due to NijiEN's tumultuous history regarding stealth suspensions. A few months later, she is officially and unceremoniously terminated. Everyone is outraged. Doki follows in Sayu's footsteps and releases her side of the story. Thanks to her excellent standing in the broader community and overall longer experience in NijiEN (debuted merely a month after Lazulight), as well as Niji's already low reputation by that point, the truth is now accepted as such. Sayu's story is recontextualized and far more readily accepted, now considered a warning that went unheeded. Niji continues to blunder, even remarking that the entire situation's consequences would be "negligible". Everyone with half a brain disengages from Niji entirely. Shares plummet. -Michi joins VShojo. [YOU ARE HERE] Omitted but just as relevant are Yugo (now Unnämed) and Pomu (now Mint)'s graduations; while important, the talents mostly chose not to comment on their previous situation much. Omitted and irrelevant is Kyo's graduation.

​@@ToonLinkHoxquin took major potshots at niji in his vtuber debut, waking up from a coma saying that he had a dream that he was "like he was trapped in a prison for a year"

The fallout is very surreal. I really want to see actual change from the asshole agency of the day, because of how so morally corrupt it felt to be in there, as expressed by the graduated talents that have now become their own talents independent of an overarching corporate culture. I can only hope. People have subscribed to the rrat theories in 4chan so much that it’s basically a Palestine situation between the English speaking fans and them.

Not just the vtubers that work for them, they seem to want to help and support former corporate vtubers that want to be independent.

​@shifusensei6442 Yup! Mint for example

vshojo becoming the nijisanji rehab

@@shifusensei6442 that is why I respect Vshojo. They actually know how to manage and share their knowledge to people who don’t work for them. To me that signals a fantastic manager when they are willing to teach and help others who aren’t on their “team”

It's almost like they learned something from their scammer incident.

"Look, this isn't an argument!" "Yes it is." "No it isn't, it's just contradiction!" "No it isn't." "Yes it is." "It is not!"

@@ZGryphon” guys please “ “No really” “Please tell me what to do” “Do what it is you desire” “Guys” “Ya?” “ILY”

We can only continue to catch more W’s than nijisanji. Right?

Yep. A real and genuine psychological effect. Spend long enough in any situation and your brain rewires it as "normal", and typically normal is seen as positive, I suspect due to familiarity being wired as "safe". "The devil that you know is better than the one you don't", as the saying goes. So past a point, even people in horrible situations will feel SOME degree of safety within the comforting blankets of being ruthlessly abused. And so when they leave it, some might want it back to varying degrees. But once a genuinely healthy environment becomes your new normal, you'll feel a level of comfort and safety that utterly eclipses the coping mechanism you relied on before. None of this is to say that this is what's necessarily happening to Michi. I have too little information to go on, and this seems to be different. But it can definitely happen to people in her position, even if it doesn't always.

brainwashing at its finest

You are talking about the Ship of Thesseus problem and that is not what you described. The Ship of Thesseus is that as the ship gets older boards rot and need to be replaced, eventually the entire ship will have been remade with new pieces, at that point is it still the ship of Thesseus? If you build a ship from pieces of another ship the original is the ship you took pieces from to build the new ship. That being said your point about the ship making the crew happy is a good point.

"Dude that human just fed me full course meal, pretty sure am gonna get chopped tonight." "Nah we go park later, it is daily routine, you gonna get use to it." "Daily wat?!"

Vshojo is our home. I don’t wanna leave it.

Just keep in mind though that VShojo ultimately relies heavily on their talent's brand, which is kind of a blessing and a curse: see how much drama VShojo got caught in their early days, and only when certain members left did VShojo start their rehabilitation to becoming what it is now.

@@StrikeNoir105E Don't forget their leaving coincided with Henya debuting. That and Zen taking it upon herself to set up lots of collabs (apparently she organizes most of the company collabs) This allows the others to do their own stuff and then do a company collab. Zen's biggest problem is scheduling but that's mostly her ADHD getting in her way.

once is a curiosity. twice is a question. thrice is a confirmation.

Well hopefully they learned their lesson from the drama with Nux and the Hogwarts Legacy disaster with Silvervale. They had basically no protection for their members at that point, and it really is sad because Silver is one of the original members, even before Vshojo was created, since her, Melody and Ironmouse had their own little group at one point until Vshojo was made.

​@@xanthiusdrake2775Let it go. They've obviously been doing the right things since then, it was years ago. Move on.

@@Toastybees First of all do not misjudge a person on their intentions when they are stating facts. And there is no 100% proof, and there never will be, a company can never fully protect their members/workers, there will always be issues, all that can be done is to reduce the flames as much as possible.

@@xanthiusdrake2775 move the fk on man. Why are still on that nonsense drama.

@@shadmanbashar6067 My point is; do not just go all happy go lucky thinking "yay things should be better all is well they learned and it'll never happen again" and this is something even outside company stuff, nobody is ever 100% safe from life troubles, if you have had problems, whether it be from work, or personal, or if it is not even your own and if it is something you have learned from elsewhere, instead of just leaving it all behind, keep a tiny part of it as a lesson in life, and do your best that it doesn't happen again, or if it has not happened to you personally, then take it as a lesson from others, so that you do not suffer the samefate, or that the results are not as terible.

Yea it is. Nijisanji really can leave you with scars. But at least with Vshojo you don’t have to worry about that. Because Vshojo is a safe place.

We'll let Kuro help her cook, aparently he has improved, that might solve things

@@EndoftheBeginning17 Oh dear god no, that's a recipe for blowing up a microw- oh

or Gunrun and his team actually gives a damn about the talents, but at this point you can practically point out anything and be right

I think that literally started with the Founding members. For example Melody has Epilepsy, so can't play games with flashing lights, Mouse has so many medical problems but they all come down to one thing. Haruka is autistic and Zen has severe ADHD. By the time Kson joined Gunrun had to know that the needs of his streamers came first ad foremost.

@@legionrip7484 Gunrun is one of the founders of Twitch, he is definitely one of those people who really knows streamers.

@@LordAshura Im not saying he doesnt know, I'm just saying compared to the other company its also probably he actually cares about the people he hires

Oh, believe me, the fans were furious because their oshis are reduced to tears. Niji earned the vendetta of the whole anime fandom in Indonesia.

Vshojo is really the place for us all.

And as a result, the people who thrive the most within the company are the ones that do the bare minimum. Just the occasional song, otherwise just karaoke zatsu and games. They dont do big projects, they dont show ambition, because everything special they want to do comes out of pocket and loses money. They literally force the talents to choose between doing something big to please, or even grow, their fanbase... or actually make money. A literal JOB shouldn't force that kind of ultimatum on someone.

All the talents at niji are quality vtubers. They're just not given anywhere near the same attention or resources as members of other agencies.

@@anthonyervin95 i don't disagree with you, by quantity over quality i meant from a support aspect, the talent don't receive nearly enough attention, they're either severely understaffed or according to their recent hirings, severely underpaid amateurs

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