thx

12 year hawk driver here and that's the first thing I was thinking. If you're using more than fingertips, you're using too much.

Exactly what I was thinking....

I hope to see black Hawk soon for msfs.

Unless you fly guns and need more then just your fingers

Cheaper to produce something that sits on the table I suppose?

Makes sense... I wonder if it's possible to 3d print something.... 😅

Hey Tony! ;) Long time no see!

Hiya my man 😎

Would love for you to do a Hughes 300 :)

What's a good collective to use for helicopter simulation and I'm wondering if Microsoft Simulator works with a VR headset? Hmmmm...

@@sigma_z yes works a treat in VR, selling my g2 in the UK if interested lol and the budget depends on the collective you want.

always.

You tell me when and I'll join ya!

@@OverkillSimulations will do.

Nothing? Really? So you've owned and used the VKB Gunfighter too? Or the VPForce force feedback Rhino base (no not the Saitek X55 'Rhino', that's a different product)? How about the K51 collective. People who've had mainstream kit and then upgraded to Virpil and had no experience of other quality kit really need to stop telling others that Virpil is the absolute top end.

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Landing was actually on the Ascent Aviation Services MRO. Hopefully a new version will show airliners stored and in maintenance work there. Same company that runs the vast majority of the stored aircraft at Pinal Air Park.

Yep, I’ve seen other real Bell 47 pilots complain about the stability of it on their forum when at 100%. 30-50% on the realism slider is far more realistic according to them because real helicopters are unstable but are not THAT unstable. Both this and the AirLandFS engine have this issue but people are stuck in the mindset that harder always means more realistic.

Do you have to mess with the inside to make it dead stick like the real cyclic or it came that way already? I see hand off for a second there.

I fly helicopters and the 407, jet ranger and astar are….eh ok but do not fly like the real helicopters. I also have flown level D simulators that also are not 100% realistic also.

I haven't even heard of it but I will look into it for you :)

Oh now why do you make me spend more money lol

Just a minor correction.. Virpil use Hall effect sensors.. much more stable and precise than any potentiometer..

@@chrismain1170 Lol You Are So True. I tend to keep it simple at times because I am so old and get institutionalized in my old man thinking. Lol Thank You. Bottom line is for a old man I am so impressed with this new technology. Its better then the Tin toys I had to play with as a kid.

@@chrismain1170 Nope, they don't use Hall effect sensors. They're magnetoresitive contactless sensors not Hall effect sensors. And a well maintained, regularly cleaned potentiometer will give just as precise an output as any contactless sensor; both of these components output analog signals. The advantage of the contactless sensor is that it will not need the maintenance and will significantly outlast the potentiometer. Going back to precision, any theoretical difference is driven by when the analogue output of either component is converted to a digital signal and the resolution of that conversion. Not that the resolution matters on a non-extended stick. If you do the trig maths, even an 8 bit resolution (as found on the old CH Products kit) will be quite sufficient for the levels of precision capable by the human hand. On an extended stick, the move up to 12 bit will make a difference but beyond that, human motor skills will not be precise enough for the extra 2 or 3 bits of resolution to matter (both VKB and Virpil have a maximum 15 bit resolution; TM's claimed 16 bit is nothing of the sort, AFAIR it's actually 15 bit).

[sigh] You don't really know what you're talking about do you: The conversion of the analogue output of either a potentiometer or a contactless sensor (like the sensors VKB and Virpil use) to a digital signal and specifically the resolution of that conversion is what drives the precision. Not that the resolution matters on a non-extended stick. If you do the trig maths, even an 8 bit resolution (as found on the old CH Products kit) will be quite sufficient for the levels of precision capable by the human hand. On an extended stick, the move up to 12 bit will make a difference but beyond that, human motor skills will not be precise enough for the extra 2 or 3 bits of resolution to matter (both VKB and Virpil have a maximum 15 bit resolution; TM's claimed 16 bit is nothing of the sort, AFAIR it's actually 15 bit).

RTX 3080 :)

@@OverkillSimulations I wish I had Virpil, badly.

Got this....game changer.. also looks like the real thing..

how do you put it on the ground? from the bracket that does all the way down? the virpil bracket (very long one?). Also I have the Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 Joystick that I did the well known mod to, and it's a game-changer - full force-feedback with long stem. Huey game changer, etc. when firing weapons and flying, provides feedback right to the stick. It's amazing.

Where do you get the extension?

what vendor has the extension

@@dabneyoffermein595 I use a Buttkicker amazing, feel the vibration through the chair, cyclic and pedals

Cm3 throttle at the moment

Nope. Tension screws are right on top. :)

@@OverkillSimulations thank you.

For anybody else reading this, don't bother with the Rotor Plus. Virpil screwed up the throttle on the Rotor Plus base so really that extra you get on the Rotor Plus model isn't really worth it. Save your money and get the basic Virpil Rotor base (for more information see this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jK6Id7uTta2bn4E.html)

@@stevedavey1343 Well… I guess I’m not bold enough to make a blanket statement one way or another on whether someone should or should not buy the VPC Rotor TCS Plus Base (the one with the throttle). I WILL however, state **my** reasons for buying it, and why after more than a year of ownership, I’m very glad I made that choice! I'm also writing this in the hopes that it might help anyone else who is struggling with making a go/no-go decision regarding the throttle -- maybe they'll see something here that they might not have considered otherwise? 🙂 1) The throttle itself IS true to the IRL Huey. Although it is true that DCS doesn't have it modeled/mapped 100% correctly, that’s NOT an issue with VirPil, that’s an issue with DCS! Furthermore, that could change overnight if/when DCS decides to fix/patch it! 2) Honest to God, how hard can it be to simply hit “page up” on the keyboard to get the throttle to start working correctly with the DCS Huey anyway? Again, this is a DCS thing and not a Virpil thing, and it’s a super trivial hoop to jump through IMHO! 3) The throttle works just fine with other helicopters in DCS and even Flight Simulator. (I don't know about X-Plane and others.) 4) If you lose your engine governor due to battle damage in DCS, you might be thankful that you have the throttle available so you can (easily?) take over manually and return to base and complete the mission rather than crash/die. 5) I spent the extra $120 so I could at least have the throttle _available_ (even if I didn’t end-up using it that much) rather than NOT having it at all and _wishing_ that I did later on (and then totally kicking myself for not having enough foresight). Full disclosure: I'm somewhat of a gadget person, and the throttle looked like a fun 'play-pretty', so there's that too...! ;-) 6) The throttle is really nice to have for learning/practicing emergency procedures if that’s your cup-of-tea! 7) Out of the literally thousands of dollars I (and many others) have invested in computer parts, controllers, VR headsets, and addons, the extra $120 for the throttle just didn't seem like that big a deal! Right? I was _already_ in it for about $420 plus shipping anyway, so why not just go all-in for another 25% or so and add the throttle? ;-) I went ahead and bought the collective with the throttle at a time when I really didn’t know what I was getting myself into -- and 'wasting' $120 on the throttle was a risk that I took. In hindsight, I’m _really_ glad I made the decision to go ahead and get the throttle with the collective, and if the throttle were suddenly taken away, make no doubt about it, I would _really_ miss it! At the end of the day, you pays yer money and you makes yer choice. But for anyone reading this, that’s **my** take on it. As usual, YMMV and Happy Simming y'all! 🙂

Virpil and Win Wing offer collectives. If you're somewhere that you can buy from a very talented chap in Moscow called Mikhail then there's the K-51 collective too. If you need more advice reddit r/hotas is the place to go

I don't have one yet. On the list of things to get for sure!

@@OverkillSimulations same! :) thanks for the video on the Virpil. I wonder if you need to reduce the sensitivity a little? Hard to tell as a big part of flying a helicopter, especially in hover, is feel.

Too afraid to crash it lol... sorry 😞

Welcome, to Virpil. They used to have 3-4 month wait.

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Same Grimes economics mate. With VKB and Virpil, you are getting a quality far beyond anything TM or Logitech offer and you'll probably be leaving VKB and Virpil kit to your children in your will. TM and Logitech kit will have long since been taken to the recycling centre.

@@stevedavey1343 . No doubt the quality MUST be a lot better. But it's too expensive to even think about spending that money.

@ARTYKE more expensive than 3 X56s that over 15 years you'd need to buy as they degraded or just plain broke? Buy once, cry once. We've got so used to instantly affordable, which almost always means disposable, these days in all consumer kit that we've forgotten the real financial value of properly made, durable products. Most things that are worthwhile generally aren't bought from the disposable income from one month's salary but are bought from savings.

I haven’t flown the 47 in real life or in FS. What did they get wrong?

Maybe you did not yet change the sensitivities in the flyinside app?

@@renefeijen5916 Having to change the sensitivity is a sign of bad physics, in xplane I dont need to do anything like that and it feels great to fly.

The only real issue with the external physics engines, both this and the AirLandFS one is the fact that at or near 100% on the realism sliders is far, far more unstable than real helicopters, and I’ve seen real helicopter pilots complain about this with both engines including people with time in the real Bell 47. 50% or even less is far closer to the real thing but people like this guy are stuck in the mindset that harder always means more realistic.

@@WhiteHawk77 Well in fs 2020 the helicopter is far too stable. If you want to see a real helicopter flight model check DCS, also I think you are just mad cause you cant fly a heli in those sims and its too hard for you.