"We support Linux since we dont want to use Windows ourself..." Thank you sir!

I'm honestly amazed the Snapdragon Dev Kit is still not here... it seemed like the key component to getting devs to start working on their Arm builds for Windows. It feels like Microsoft shot first, and everyone's asking questions later-the consumer laptops shouldn't have launched yet with the state of Windows on Arm and Qualcomm Snapdragon X support today. So far I haven't found a person who bought a Snapdragon X and said "this laptop is so much better" yet. When Apple launched the M-series laptops, tons of people felt like it was a completely different and better experience than the laptops that came before.

If battery life and sleep were the main issues - desktop users wouldn't be pissed about Windows too. The main issue with Windows is that Microsoft is still coasting on the last time they had put in any thought and creativity. W11 is just Vista in 5 trenchcoats, the outermost one having ad posters glued onto its back.

Getting ads in an OS I paid for. Getting nagged about OneDrive. Search failing to exist as a functional part of the OS. Periphs trying to auto launch and install software. Recall. I made the switch to Linux. It works. It does what I want. It doesn't pester me. I have not booted into Windows in weeks. I'm debating on if I even need it installed on my next major build.

I'm a professional developer for a game engine. Porting to Windows on ARM was trivial for us. Literally just added the ARM64 build configuration to the projects, it built first try, ran first try, hasn't had any ARM-specific bugs. Basically free. We have published games that have ARM64 ports running fine. The real holdup is the Xbox stuff - Microsoft has failed to port their Xbox game platform stuff to ARM64, and you can see this for example in how Minecraft Bedrock Edition has an ARM32 port but not an ARM64 port. Their latest and greatest "Game Development Kit" still does not have any ARM support (not even through emulation), whereas UWP has supported ARM32 and ARM64 and emulation for years. It is baffling. So, porting games to ARM64 is trivial right up until you want to actually integrate with Xbox Live on PC, at which point you're stuck waiting for Microsoft to port their stuff. For a long time I thought the Qualcomm exclusivity deal was what was holding back Microsoft, but it seems they're both failing each other since it was Qualcomm recently telling game devs how to port to ARM while Microsoft's GDK still refuses to even run through emulation on ARM. I don't get what the holdup is given how trivial the porting process was for our engine and games. In fact Microsoft has even broken things that used to previously work, for example the Xbox app and Xbox Insider Hub both used to work fine on ARM and let you install and play games. But over the years they've been updated to a point where they're completely unusable, the Xbox app on ARM only does cloud streaming now and the Xbox Insider Hub on ARM doesn't even launch anymore. How are they making things worse over time?? At least we did get Vulkan support on ARM finally, that's the one major thing I was wanting for years.

I'm an IT professional and I've been a Windows user since 3.1 / 386 days (about 30 years) and have just switched to Linux Mint. This vid is spot on. I'm sick of the data mining, the ads, the burying of privacy toggles, the erosion (or constant overriding) of user choice. Recall was the final straw for me (even though I'm not buying one of those PCs, and even though MS reneged on its being on by default) because the mere fact they tried to launch such a feature tells me something about the kind of company they have become; quite simply, a company no longer listening to users, that doesn't respect our choices or opinions, and one that has therefore forfeited my trust.

MS is just stuck with their cloud-first agenda since Nadella took over (similar to how Amazon is running in the wrong direction under AWS Jassy). But they've realized that Win11 hasn't worked to get people into the MS cloud (for various reasons), now they think that "AI" is something that people want and want to use that as leverage (which clearly also won't work). Made obvious by talking about getting CoPilot also on Win10. From their point of view this is just a marketing stunt for CoPilot. Don't think they care about the underneath platform, Qualcomm just had what they wanted from an NPU before Intel and AMD. The engineering resources at that point were available for free basically as clearly they're not doing anything useful anymore (WSA canceled among others). And of course they want to mimic Apples business model and more importantly profit margin for a long time (again, completely the wrong move).

Almost all of the big youtube reviewers literally where praising the QC Elite while their own performance slides in the background told a completely different story. Never seen anything quite like this before 😂 The amount of QC marketing money and propaganda for the QC Elite is unreal 😂

Thanks a lot for the comprehensive talk. I started to feel paranoid, because I was reading similar feedback from the advanced users/developers, while all the reviewers are praising and misreading charts. Thanks for the reality check.

Java: "we work on any platform!!!" *looks inside* *x86 assembly code*

Microsoft: "People hate Windows - what could it be?" Honest Guy: "The ads and bloat?" - thrown out the window meme Pitch guy: "x86 battery life! That's the enemy!"

The company I work at switched almost completely to Linux server side in the 90s. On the Client side Windows still reigns supreme even if there clearly is a movement to Linux/Mac going on in the client space. I ask the team every year if we shouldn't go all in, but they just laugh. I find this so interesting giving the increasing pain they experience managing the windows platform. Every other month something breaks with the platform cloud integration for licenses (we need to anonymize the users, so we have a "special" solution) and it is always a kerfuffle with information leakage. When are the big companies going to start saying "Enough!"?

@33:49 Not only does the Start Menu go to the Internet. Periodically, the Internet access will stop working and as a result, the search function will stop working. As in completely not working, not even for local stuff. The result display is just empty because some error during Internet access completely broke it.

Dave Cutler and his team built amd64 Windows on spec. When they received the first 64bit test system from AMD they put in the disc and booted it. Really think Windows 2000 was peak Microsoft.

Microsoft is the sole actor making me consider Linux more and more - and I'm finding less and less reasons as to why I shouldn't switch

Microsoft definitely lost the ball with windows in general

Installing OS, 10 years ago: Windows: click a couple of buttons, enter username and password. Linux: Terminal hacking, downloading shell scripts from github. Installing OS today: Linux: click a couple of buttons, enter username and password. Windows: Terminal hacking, downloading shell scripts from github.

But wait...when I said in my video that my Snapdragon Surface Laptop had a terrible user experience I was told I was wrong!

ARM claims they gave Nuvia better terms because they wanted more server market share. This contract they wrote apparently had a clause to terminate when Nuvia got acquired. Qualcomm interpreted they have a broad ARM licence, ARM counters the Nuvia licence specifically excluded those.

Thank you for speaking out about this obvious failure of both Microsoft and Qualcomm to place the user experience in the center of their thoughts. If they really wanted to compete with Apple's quality, they really should have done a better job with their analysis as to what makes Apple's experience so much better and figure out a way to replicate Apple's formula. It would be a great start to bring the software and hardware people of the involved companies much closer together (e.g. with more embedded engineers at each other's firms as points of contact for problems the game dev talked about) and also improve developer tooling and support.

A really insightful video. A lot of us at work thought that the Windows on ARM launch was smooth sailing- but none of us actually own a Snapdragon device running Windows. This has really put into perspective just exactly how much effort Apple put into this transition. Despite their practises towards consumers, they’re the pinnacle example of software and architecture development in the industry right now.

Good call bringing Matt in on this. I really liked having his "on the ground, in the trenches" perspective.

The move to ARM is concerning. Microsoft has been trying to lock down windows hardware for decades. We need to make sure that this hardware is open to other operating systems.

People use Microsoft products, not because they want, but because they have to. MS really just bends these hostages into their business model.

The funny thing is many of us would buy devices based on this processor in a heart beat for NON WINDOWS USE. Dear Qualcomm please focus on Linux and Android use.

The Surface Pro X was good for the right price (deeply discounted at $600-ish), but at the original price, heck no. And for the longest time, the GPU driver screwed up the colors of anything running in OpenGL. These new machines similarly feel like they're priced too expensive for having so many teething issues.

Another interesting point is that the modern Linux experience is actually very good if it's already installed. Similarly, the installation is something that people rarely discuss with Windows. I recently did a "from scratch" dual boot, and installing Windows was actually WORSE than installing Linux. It was a pain to make the install media (I eventually borrowed a friend's computer, and it still took two tries), and Windows would't let me continue the installation without the Internet, even though it had no wireless drivers on the laptop. I finally finished installing Windows USB-tethered to my phone, and I'll even ignore how long the updates took and the frustratingly convoluted process of doing basic things like preventing random apps from installing automatically. On Linux despite a bug with the boot splash (already fixed upstream) everything else worked basically perfectly. It took me about 1/3 the time to install Linux and more importantly the user experience now that it's done, is excellent. My computer runs smoothly, updates are very fast, even my games run well. I think soon we'll start to see more computers coming with Linux, and I think the user experience will feel surprisingly good when it's already installed.

I would kill for Linux on the Surface tablet &/or the Surface Laptops. Wendell, which distro are you running? Obviously KDE, but which distro? Kubuntu?

There was so much pressure on co-pilot with the re-call "feature" that people forgot that these laptops are being sold. I walked into Staples (because BB did not have the 15 inch) and asked for the 15", which I knew they had two in stock. Sales person was like, are you sure you want to buy this?

I literally have met no one who hates Windows because of anything to do with x86. Data mining, Data mining, many, people hate Windows because of data mining. Attempting to force Microsoft Account, thats one. Generally poor security overall compared to other operating systems. The list of good reasons for not liking Microsoft is too long for this post, but none of them have anything to do with x86 architecture. I would also question if Microsoft is planning to move it's end user operating systems off of x86. Leaving Windows x86 only available for enterprise. I'm not saying that's the case I'm saying I wouldn't put it past them.

Great video! Seriously well done, thanks for putting in the work to do a thorough job. I believe one of the biggest challenges (similar to what you point out) is that Apple designs their ARM SoCs based on the needs of the software they want to deliver to the end user, rather than building hardware and trying to get the software to use it as best it can. It’s a subtle but very critical difference in design philosophy that results in a nuanced, but yet very important difference to the end use because software comes first. I’m not saying to copy Apple, but rather it highlights why there is a disconnect between Windows for ARM and Qualcomm’s SoCs. There isn’t the same equal and mutually supportive partnership between the two of them and even more importantly with the developers. I do hope Qualcomm and Microsoft are able to quickly make strong strides to building trust with developers, giving them the support they NEED, and focusing on what matters most at the end of the day…users sitting down and being delighted because their computers “just work” to do whatever they want to do with them. 👍

They're marginally better than current Intel and AMD chips in some ways. But I don't really want to deal with lack of AVX2 support and there are new promising Strix Point, Lunar Lake and so on right around the corner. Will they be better than chips launching around the same time?

Thanks for posting this info, Wendell! It's weird how some outlets are a bit overly focused on gaming (though it is a symptom of legitimately worse things about the platform and hardware) or saying there's no problems with it at all. Your trusted expertise on it is really valuable especially because you caught a bunch of things nobody else seems to be talking about. And what's going on with battery life benchmarks? Some people say it's a huge difference. Some people are seeing it's only a couple of hours worth better than the best last-gen AMD stuff (while suffering huge compatibility problems).

Microsoft keeps reaching new levels of incompetency that I never knew were possible. Great video, extremely fascinating and depressing lol

Even from an end user standpoint, forking over $1000+ to beta test X Elite is not something I want to do. If the cost were $600-$750, I wouldn't mind as much.

Great video Wendell, very important insights. Thank you

This is why I have been running Linux on my desktop for some five years now. Microsoft has done nothing but make Windows more restricted, more expensive, more buggy, and more monetized

I only wanna know if I can keep installing windows by myself whenever I need to, else I'll just rather migrate to Linux asap, between new architecture and windows 11 recording everything I do Linux has never looked so compelling as an option

Not specifically ARM related, but I'm a regular listener of Windows Weekly with Paul Thurrott, and it pretty much convinced me to upgrade from Windows 10 to Linux instead of Windows 11. The Start menu loss of functionality, the ads, the ignoring of default browser in favor of Edge, the enabling of One Drive backup without consent, the way fixes for vulnerabilities seem to have been de-prioritized, and more recently the aggressive promotion of Copilot. I just want to retain control over my own PC. I'd love to see how Linux would run on one of these new ARM PC's, I just don't want the stupid copilot key on my keyboard.

I'm one of the many people migrating to Linux. It used to be my secondary OS, but now I use Windows only for games

A few years ago I upgraded to W11 and quickly realized I didn’t want my desktop experience to be like my phone app experience where the first goal is to maximize shareholder value at the cost of all else. I’ve been on Linux since that realization. It’s not perfect, and there’s a learning curve involved for the specific niche things I want to have done (though gaming performance is usually indistinguishable from W11). I will take this learning curve and adjustment period over being subject to Microsoft making my own experience worse every time. My experience with tech giants leads me to believe they’ll first double down if their weird internal KPIs aren’t being hit.

By the time ms would actually fix arm software issues, x86 from amd would probably already have figured out lower power x86 instead

What's worse is unless the asahi team decides to start playing with the snapdragon laptops, we've returned to a point where the ditching of these by M$ and vendors means their dead e-waste. Sure not all x86 laptops handle a linux installation perfectly, but at least most are _functional_ after they get old. It's like the nastiest step towards planned obsolescence they could take. It's junk the day you buy it.

Forget Windows, what I'm really curious about is the potential of these chips using Linux. Really wish people talked more about that. I guess it's still not booting in these laptops right?

I'm watching the ARM hardware with great interest. I used a macbook air m2 for work for a while. As far as the hardware, performance, and battery life go I loved that thing. I'd be far more interested in getting ARM's battery life in a slick, light weight, performant Linux laptop than I am emulating x86 executables and seeing microsoft give me ads even though I paid money for the license.

Well summarised, thank you for your service!

Hi Wendell!!! Thank you for your feedback on the snapdragon situation. I knew it would be kinda good but some how I thought it was too good to be true. I look at it like AMD chips when they first launched they weren't perfect but they got better over time to the point of not only surpassing Intel in performance but in price as well. I believe the same can happen for Snapdragon, but it wil take time for the to really work out the bugs and features. Sidenote: I bought the livemixer z790 a few months back and really like it alot. My build is 13500, 64gb ram TCreate, 6700 xt. I do plan on jumping to a 13700k or 14700k when the time comes but one thing is on my mind about the build. I'm currently using 2 HDD and a SSD for my os but I'm wondering if I can take all of those out and just use x4 solidigm p44 pro? Any feedback would help, Thank you

Thanks for the insight, Wendell. Sometimes the z-list janitor that fixes things has the experience and knowledge to give the right answers. Everything surrounding this launch has been perplexing to me. I think if Microsoft had initially focused on just getting a robust foundation for their ARM platform we would be in a much better state. But it seems to me that in recent times there was a pivot to have a bigger focus on the Copilot+ shenanigans, when these later months are oh so important to work out the weird kinks like the extremely long compile times, driver crashes, etc. As with anything Microsoft has ever done, the problem here is a lack of focus. Qualcomm really hasn't been the best or open either historically, so nothing surprising there. Also, do we really know if the Nuvia IP was any good to begin with? We had a lot of promises, but no products. Does their core scale at all to this usecase?* I'll be very interested to find out what is going on with this chip. *the fact that dual core turbo is limited to their high-end SKUs is telling

There's a bug in the latest windows 11 pro with the taskbar settings. When you set it to hide the taskbar, the desktop icons rearrange based on a 1080P screen even when you are in 4K. They have also broken HDR. My monitor is a UHD HDR TV. When it boots Windows it shows me it is HDR. But windows settings shows me it it isn't compatible and so keeps me in SDR on EVERYTHING until I play a game. Then it uses whatever the game settings are. But when going back to the desktop - poof - back to SDR. I have an AMD 6900XT and a 2nd gen Thread-Ripper. They also refuse to play HDX in Mozilla Firefox or any browser based on Chrome. So they are forcing me to use Safari (uh-dude it's a PC) or in my case ONLY EDGE which is based on Chrome! And all in the name of stopping Linux from playing HDR 1080P and 4K content. The only reason i use Windows is software that is only available on Windows like music production and video production. I have invested so much money in production software that walking away is very difficult to accept. It all seems like a class action law suit to me.

Reading comments sections of various public forums, it is incredible that people delude themselves into thinking that Snapdragon is flawless and as good as an M3 laptop when stuff like AVX2 doesn't work in Prism, or graphics driver bugs, or laggy emulated applications, or having to disable all power savings via terminal to get "full performance" (like they did in the announcement for these processors). Apple Rosetta had issues too, but they were minimal compared to the dumpster fire we have today on Windows. I don't understand why people are going crazy for these ARM chips when they are quite buggy. Is super good standby time and slightly better battery life worth the buggy experiences and crashing? And it's a good point you bring up with Windows RT, Windows Phone 10, the SQ1 and so on. They have had plenty of time to break into ARM and failed every time. At least this time has emulation that works sometimes. Good news imo is that we are not as beholden to x86 as much anymore, where only 3 or so companies can produce chips. An Exynos Windows laptop, MediaTek, Nvidia, heck even an AMD or Intel ARM chip. Just so disappointing that Microsoft is leading this ship.

All I can say is...Yup!, converted our family to Linux Mint and kids complain when using Win11...…"why the expensive laptop has all these ads in the start menu...why switching between drives takes so long....the cheapo minis net top running mint, miles faster"....and that is common in my house 😢....ahhh Microsoft....that dive from greatness will not give ya any lift...

I honestly don't see a point, I mean why would I buy a Snapdragon laptop and risk my software or devices not working with it when if your focus is battery life you could just get one of the midrange AMD APU based laptops where everything works and the battery is more than "good enough".

Amazing video! I am so happy to have switched to Linux after the End of Windows 7 :) Alone the time I saved with updates is incredible :)

39:05 - That chuckle has me in tears!

Excellent video! Great points. Thanks for the interview in there as well. I'm definitely interested in where the ARM Windows conversation goes but for now I'm going to stay where I'm at, keeping Microsoft at arms length.

Thank you so much! I haven't touched Windows for decades, but have been very curious about the latest events, and your description is very detailed and technical, the best explanation I've encountered so far in a single place for someone who is not invested in that ecosystem enough to read through a hundred specialized articles.

KDE Plasma has some pretty wallpapers.

I'm one of those that finally got so fed up with windows I moved my main machine to Linux. You hit the nail on the head, I'm not particularly interested in the stuff MS has been adding, really don't like them trying to force using an online account to use my local computer and don't care about copilot. That said I'm not surprised MS screwed the pooch once again.

Great video. Thanks for your good work and insight into this and other things!

What's the best way to get a intel lunar lake developer kit and what's the approxy cost? Can i run ubuntu on it (LTS 24.04 version) and have test the igpu? And yeah.. WSL2 till now still doesn't even support intel NPU and the integrated-gpu (arc-alchemist), using a asus zenbook.

excellent video, documenting the enshittification of MS, also great to remind everyone about sleep I AM SUPER ANGRY ABOUT IT!!

31:18 I think you meant Intel or ARM ;) And I agree with you : the Windows 11 start menu is so bad I have to install Start11 to get a good user experience. I didn't feel the need to do this with Windows 10.

Wait the people at Microsoft think x86/x64 processors are the problem? Do they now do a reverse aptitude test when hiring managers?

Just found your channel. Thank you. Could be the smartest pro, with the highest integrity. Count me in for the long term if you are able to unravel the marketing obfuscation, BS, and please keep working with Gamers Nexus - you guys do great special teamup segments. May your channel grow! XD

it seems to be that as a startup, Nuvia's work was done with ARM developmental assistance and had a higher license fee attached as a result... and QC wants to run the IP that ARM paid to develop under /their/ license that has cheaper pricing, but ARM wants to be paid (via licensing) for the R&D they kicked in on. The rest is just escalations and legal posturing etc, the licensing disagreement is really the core issue, how much is ARM going to get paid per chip for Nuvia IP. Hence the reason why QC was so intent on removing /all/ ARM IP from their products (to the extent of re-engineering some parts that were even exact duplicates of what ARM provided, so they could say it was in-house).

Computers are like air conditioning. They become useless when you open windows...

Interesting talk, I am waiting for Linux ARM or Risc-V Laptops, preference is 64 Gigs and support ARM Hardware Virtualization.

Wendell, what phone/OS do you use, i wanted to test the e/os with a fair phone 5, any interest, or have done that?

Microsoft doesnt build operating systems; they build ad platforms. The platforms can sometime launch programs - sometimes not!

Well, I have happily ditched my last Windows installation last month and all my machines run now on Linux (Server, over Desktop to Embedded). And no plan on ever switching back. (I could also convince my employer, or projects, where I participate to work there with my linux stuff)

Just switched to a totally configuration based os, nixos from Windows and it’s been a breath of fresh air.

valuable content and we need more of this please.

if softbank...ahem...i mean ARM is going to be litigious with their key partners like they seem to be doing with Qualcomm here then maybe these companies should be looking to RISC-V as an architecture...if Intel added some RISC-V cores into their silicon somhow and allow for code from either arch to run on the same OS, o man that'd be something amazing

I'm still not sure arm has legs.

I'm still waiting for the qualcom devkit NUC. What's the point of the devkit if it is released after the release?

Is there some website tracking software being ported or that has been ported to ARM+Windows machines? I mean, stuff like OBS Studio and OpenOffice.

Great work here. Windows Total Recall moved me off their platform for good. PopOs and loving it. No spying. No ads. What Steam has done with proton is remarkable. I never thought I’d see the day. Aside from games, all my production apps either run on Linux or my MacBook. Affinity Products for the win if you need off Adobe. Those, abelton, and TouchDesigner all run on Mac. Linux can run Resolve.

Brother in law took is back to BB yesterday.

I thoroughly enjoyed your addition of Halo's Jeff Steitzer "Betrayal" :)

This is incredibly illuminating and I sincerely appreciate the effort that obviously went into it

Wendell, fam, you are legit the furthest thing from a computer janny.

The moment when you find out game porting to Steamdeck on Linux is better (easier(?) considering if it doesn't break Proton) than Windows on ARM

thank you Wendell! we will remember, be sure of that!

This was really interesting thanks Wendell. Arm adoption probably won’t take off until it gets the support it needs on windows , possibly in a few generations it will get there.

God love you Wendell. You are doing GODS work.

Are we going to see a Level1Linux video with a snapdragon x elite laptop and Linux anytime soon? Please?

I got a surface RT 2nd hand. I wish Microsoft would just release a tool to completely unlock it so its just just e-waste

The dev being interviewed makes some VERY good points. Quite a lot of folks buy a laptop in order to do something. Folks assume that if they buy an Apple laptop it will be reasonably built, and will, in general, work. Many folks have little interest in the underlying hardware. ARM, X86, PowerPC, whatever - many folks just want it to work, and run the software they want. My offspring has a modern Apple laptop - she got it because she found modern HP laptops are not that durable (I also have had that experience - my HP laptops seem to be held together with gaffer tape by the time I replace them!) My most recent laptop purchase was an x86 machine - but that was because I wanted to leverage my existing software collection. Next laptop, and I may migrate to newer software, or just run older stuff under emulation, and I may or may not actually care about the underlying architecture. Tbh, the AMOLED screen was the "big" thing for my laptop, not the processor architecture. Better experience while watching films, AND, the brightest laptop screen I have yet owned (which is handy in brighter environments). Fundamentally, I, like my daughter, want to RUN stuff on a laptop, and we are less concerned with the processor architecture. For "spec", I have a "desktop" PC I assembled myself - now THAT is all about spec. But I use my laptop FAR more often - it is just more convenient, uses far less power, and belts out less heat (a factor when the weather is rather warm - such as now!). I guess I am "Mr Average" - a "tech" device for when I want "tech" (Desktop), and a "user" device for when I just want it all to work (laptop) 😀

Such a good video. Finally. Everyone things windows 11 is shit. But instead of fixing it Microsoft just went "nah it's the customers who are wrong" and surely switching away from x86 will change their opinion. Instead of just giving us what we want. Offline usage, fixed bugs, stability, no ads or intrusive spying

Man. I'm considering apple for the first time after this

the problem with arm is each vendor customized it differently and they under wrap with NDA the programinng or so unless one is partner manufacturer, there is no way for students, hobbyist and non partner to gain access easily

21:15 "How are you handling security?" "And the answer is like, no." Yeah...

Companies are so focused on Active Incompetence they're forgetting they're not developing devices for robots to use.

Microsoft: Where do you think you're going?

okay but what about a linux gaming handheld based on a snapdragon chip? Also... was that Unreal Tournament 3?

I think this could be a great opportunity for the Linux ecosystem if it manages to provide a good ARM experience in time. It would be so funny if major games would run well on Linux on ARM before they run on Windows on ARM.

After a lifetime of windows I am ready to bite the bullet later this summer. I am preparing to move to linux mint and leave Windows behind me. Most stuff works in a browser anyways and I hope linux gets all the bits and pieces right, that crop up ever so often.

I love how Wendell looks at his watch right before the 2:00 mark and then says: it’s now 10 YEARS later.

Imagine if we had no operating system, and all the software and peripherals had everything it needed built in. I imagine such an ecosystem would lend itself to asic like modular hardware. A shift from a versatile personal computer, to a home network of app centric hardware. Which would have an interesting effect on the permanence and owndership of generations of asic software/hardware in the used market. Upgrade cycles that still preserve the previous version as a market contender. Imagine if such a universe had such a high degree of execution across the networking protocols, that any device can always negotiate it’s operation with other devices into perpetuity. As the cost of chips plummets, perhaps we will see the potential for such a system to become more pragmatic that it ever was before. I wonder if one could even start now with iot devices? The external DAC as an audio interface is a great example, as are routers and firewalls and NAS. Can you make a computer without a computer? …. Should you? Ha ha

I'm interested in how it will work on linux, because if there is support it would be a great replacement for my laptop with intel