Just like the totally optional microsoft account...

It shows when creating a user on those pcs with a toggle, plus you can disable it at any time in the task bar

And it randomly starts indexing while playing games and your whole machine just dies.

@@notplancha131 the button is there, it doesn't mean it works as expected

And will be silently switched from opt-in to opt-out at some time.

So fucking true

No. It's a window! 😂

We wont have to worry about what Backdoor Wang is doing on the database when Frontdoor Willie is crashing in to recall it all.

@@ihateorangecat front window

a door implies you can close it. This is your moms...

"It's completely optional, though"

Don’t you want to be able to do recall searches across devices bro? Just throw it in Onedrive and bam, maximum efficiency.

@@mcechss "But we're doing it by default, so non-tech savvy people don't get confused"

​@@normalmighty "and we also hid the setting to disable it 17 menus deep in a crappy windows xp ui that requires you turn on permissions in a separate place 20 menus deep. Godspeed!"

"Hey, good news: Those recall captures that took up so much space? Yeah, we managed to compress that down a lot, so they're barely noticeable anymore. It's as if they aren't even on your device anymore! Isn't that great?"

they did this out of spite purely just so they didn't have to fix search

@@LaugeHeiberg Exactly. People don't know but M1cr050ft purposely cripples everything, so they can offer a higher tier service or expert consulting. I wonder how they're going to sabotage recording everything, and what higher tier service will they offer? This whole situation is like a "dream haven" for hackers: all that privacy information getting dumped on the black market is going to be wild!!!

Just slap ai on anything and it suddenly is the best thing ever, I guess xD

search worked perfectly for me for the past 12 or so years

Our search is so bad, use our new search.

Ha

It's just a straight up cliff

Everyone says slippery slope is a fallacy, in the past 10 years seems more like a reality.

And we were already pushed down the slope 10 years ago.

yea it is actually not accurate to call it a slippery slope fallacy in this case, slippery slope is only a fallacy when one suggests a chain reaction based on the initial action based on little to no evidence, however microsoft’s actions in the past decade has been evident enough for this to not be a fallacy but a reality

tbh who needs malware when MS defender casually uses 30% of your CPU.

I love Windows, there is no real alternative accept Mac OS.

@@depafrom5277 linux

⁠​⁠@@depafrom5277 remember to use protection when meatriding

​@@depafrom5277Linux isn't a real alternative?

My main problem with it is with the corporate environment, it basically allows your company to spy on you with ease. Granted you shouldn't be using your company PC for personal things but most lay people do, like reading their personal emails. Or how about retail stores or service companies that takes info from you, most of these companies use Windows as their OS.

So? How is that stopping you to switch full Linux?

Did a year ago and have been incredibly happy with the change. Seeing this now just lets me know I made the right decision. There are some compromises I had to make, but now that I am used to Linux and some of the things that it offers, making a move to Windows would also be full of compromises. I'm happy to be on Linux.

@@haroldcruz8550 containerize your corporate stuff into a virtual machine, problem solved

@@PixelThorn It's a big change for alot of people to be fair, and if the software they need isn't available then yeah... it's great if it fits your needs.

Spying on Linux -> it's Ubuntu

kde plasma is full of telemetry.

@@ChrisWijtmans Most distro come with Firefox and Firefox is now the official most spying browswer with their new search telemetry collecting.

​@@ChrisWijtmans look up what it actually sends to kde's team, all the data is anonymous and contains only error logs

You are the feature

That's fucking terrifying....

Yep. Like trying to avoid giving your address book to WhatsApp. It's evil by design

Like never putting a pic of yourself online but by getting caught in photos of other people your face appears online more than enough...

All types of laws are broken, and then its federal if it goes across state lines. Good point. Who do you sue?

and here's the interesting fact: you don't spy in people. You use people to spy on each other. From the panopticon to peer-to-peer surveillance?

That would turn corpo micromanagers into the dream of cybercriminals

There already are pieces of software like that, though.

@@ciprianparaschiv7591 But they aren't as widespread as this one will be. It'll just take some work to figure out how to exploit it and once that's done you effectively have half of your spyware already installed in every single Windows PC.

And all other forms of surveillance profiteers like spy agencies.

Thankfully at my job they won't buy the hardware that will run it because they're cheap

you wouldnt have that problem with a -V8- arch linux install

😮

its actually a bit more evil and creepy than just this

don't count on that

@@unkown34x33 sarcasm

in 10 years when they have a data breech (which will be an inside job) we will all find out how untrue this all is.

Every time I see some idiot crying about MS "spying" they're an iPhone or Android user who have no problems with Apple and Google recording every word they say, face scanning every photo they take, and scanning every document on their phone to upload to iCloud and GoogleDrive. Hypocritical idiots pretending to care about privacy, when in reality they're just manchildren fanboys hating on their chosen enemy corporation while taking it up the ass from their favored corporation. 1984 already happened 10 years ago on iOS and android, and these fanboys were completely silent for that entire time, but as soon as MS does it, they flip out. Clown world.

​@@carpybarabapretty sure they were kidding too

Microsoft can definitely search. It's just you are the subject, not the use of that search ;-) I use linux, btw

What about the Indexing service? Does it still eat CPU time?

When will the public ever realize that Windows users are not Microsoft's customers, you are the exploited resource and your data is their product, Microsoft's real customers are the companies and government agencies that will use your data.

Their search works. For them, not for you. Like your PC running windows. It does what MS wants, not what you want.

​@@user-tc2ky6fg2oFrom my knowledge a lot of the low level windows tools are unchanged since the 1990s, early 2000s. Microsoft has an issue where they guarantee backwards compatibility when the overwhelming majority don't need it so they can't update/change a lot of things. So yes, indexing is still slow, very resource hungry, and breaks constantly. Look at windows 11 requiring tpm. That's a backwards compatibility break. Lots of unhappy people who can't run it just because their hardware is a touch too old. Now you can still disable that requirement but trust me pretty soon disabling it won't be an option. Classic Microsoft. Somehow my respect for Facebook increases as time goes on.

That is what they want. So much precious (private) data. The number of black market dumps is about to be insane!

windows 10 already came with a keylogger so they already have it. windows 11 will be able to contextualize it better.

@@complexity5545 now that's just creating paranoia in people for no reason. We don't know if this thing is going to be capable of saving passwords inputs even if it can capture the state it was in, nor if the states themselves are going to be encrypted in some way to avoid malicious apps from abusing the data. There's plenty of things Microsoft can do in order to make this more secure and they will since they definitely do not want private data being collected by malicious actors

@@ChrisWijtmans i did not know that

Like for real anyone can get all your information your cheating you social media handles , 😅 you ponytail Lol 😂😆 haha did watch ⌚ anything boom search the date and time and content Lol 😂😆 it's going down 👇👎

All valid points. Now, switch to Linux. It's great.

@@HiddenHeathen Unfortunately linux isn't even where windows was 20 years ago as far as the desktop is concerned. If people want to make "the year of the linux desktop" happen, they seriously need to put the work into usability.

​@@HiddenHeathenyou're insane if you think that Linux desktop is ,"great". it's good for servers only

​​@@isodoubIetwhat exactly is it lacking in comparison to windows? Most problems I encountered was with software that only runs on windows/mac without a viable linux alternative which is imo the biggest reason not to switch. In my case I just use VMs but for the average user that's quite inconvenient and in most cases a dealbreaker. But apart from that I'm curious what reasons others have

"why the hell not?" you tell me, blud, what's holding you back? I left for penguin land ages ago, long before this AI bullshit

It's basically like streaming your screen 24/7 directly to Microsoft... I don't understand why someone would enable this "option". I guess people are so used now about giving their data to everybody that they don't even care anymore about what is the data that is being shared.

@@Alfred-Neuman Outside the west, most people don't care. You can ask and they will give you most data for free.

​@@Alfred-Neuman enabling won't be required, because it'll be enabled by default. You'll have to navigate complicated ever changing menus to disable it. And even if you do it'll slip out through the back door

@@rickymort135 I remember an old Linksys router I'm still having, the WAG200G. It had a backdoor on port 32764, basically in plain sight... Anybody could use a script to connect to this port and send any commands they want and hack these routers. Of course you could configure the router to block this port or update the firmware but 99.99% of owners probably never heard about this problem so they were very easy to hack... I don't know how these corporations are able to do this without being sued to oblivion.

This is what the world looks like when every woman and underprivileged undergrad instantly gets hired at FAANG without trying.

Never happen. Too many gates messiah worshippers.

My wet dream, but it's not gonna happen.

Send Apple along with them, and slap Linux bros into making top-notch software instead of usually outdated, feature-lacking, shoe-string budget glorified tools.

Unless Google starts investing the big bucks back into ChromeOS I don't see that happening anytime soon. And yes Google is equally bad, however ChromeOS is Linux based and that might give other companies some ideas. Say Steam commercialising their OS outside the Steam Deck.

What are you even doing if you bring any device that's not completely clean into customs ? are you insane.

Every time I see some idiot crying about MS "spying" they're an iPhone or Android user who have no problems with Apple and Google recording every word they say, face scanning every photo they take, and scanning every document on their phone to upload to iCloud and GoogleDrive. Hypocritical idiots pretending to care about privacy, when in reality they're just manchildren fanboys hating on their chosen enemy corporation while taking it up the ass from their favored corporation. 1984 already happened 10 years ago on iOS and android, and these fanboys were completely silent for that entire time, but as soon as MS does it, they flip out. Clown world.

… and the more corporate and controlled Linux will become, and the more chance of kernel level backdoors having to be included by law 😉

Sadly, Linux Foundation doesn't care about Linux Desktop.

​@@jernaugurgeh451 open source makes any sort of kernel level backdoor ineffective. No one owns linux

Linux already had FAR better developer support, corporate just forces windows on us

Too many cooks spoil the broth. Look at Wayland.

Ubuntu is just a few steps away from Windows, don't expect billion dollar corporations to act for your best interest.

linux mint*

@@user-zj4tl Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu… they offer a Debian-based version though, *just in case*, and many are hoping that will become the default.

pop os

Yeah, Mint is probably better

G@D will use it on judgement day.

Please repeat, " Eh, Ee, I , oh, you, duh, dad, kite, zebra, don quixote marmalade yogi fruit fap party pink"....

@@complexity5545 nuh uh

Dont worry, later we will have a patch that switches it from opt-in to opt-out :)

@@hanswoast7 And "opt-out" will cost $15.99 to scrub your information. But they really don't erase it.

Can't: you'd MOST CERTAINLY get shot doing that here.

The data doesn't need to leave your device, they can simply ask the AI on your device questions about your data once it has been digested.

Or it's optional in the sense that you can opt-out of benifiting from the collected data

Optional-nt

Same with the data being local, then it will be mostly local and finally "what is local?"

It's optional as in you click no, but in reality it's yes, and you can't do anything about it.

no

Microsoft: We store screenshots of your screen, and you can search them with semantic search. Hackers: ❤ Microsoft

@@content_ai_ There's going to be so many exploits and new CVEs coming up. That feature/process is going to get fuzzed like a sheep on hair cut day.

ReactOS but it's closer to windows xp

Jia Tan and the Signal people would also like that

Its basically an operating system cookie. So many people are going to get screwed.

I wonder if they're gonna encrypt it in some shape to avoid this kind of thing

@@javierflores09 Knowing what I know about Microsoft and their 1st generation databases, is that encryption will only be applied to the socket connecting to Microsoft. The data will probably be some naked container file/directory XML thingy with embedded jpg pictures, so they can sell the data easier/quicker to businesses. The government will be able to scrape it easier that way.

Steam with build-in Proton is a blessing.

@hanswoast7 It really is, Proton and just Valve in general has made gaming on linux an even better gaming experience than you would even get on Mac. I would have never thought that just even 2 years ago.

dont run games on your work machine. never know what spyware it contains.

​@@ChrisWijtmanswe have mandatory spyware on our work machines. I don't even log into my email. It's a work machine. I can use the phone if needed.

Yep, the only things not working ime are games that require kernel level / ring-0 anticheat, which needs to die anyways. Off topic a bit, but these huge game studios need to find other ways to prevent/catch hackers, like smarter analysis of gameplay or a functional reporting/moderation system, instead of just backdooring all our machines, still missing cheaters somehow, and then using a shitty "AI" to ban people for typing a single curse word 🤦‍♂. I can't afford a 2nd PC just to play Apex or Valorant, so I just don't anymore. Edit: Oh, and Roblox. That doesn't work on Linux either. I play that with my nephews sometimes but at least it isn't ring-0 bullshit, so I can just dualboot or run a VM for it.

It's nothing. It's just a cheeky minority report

They already do that and its not limited to illegal. Included in their cloud storage ToS that they can go through your files with ai for things they dont like.

Unfortunately Easy Anti Cheat and Battle Eye don’t work on Linux. Only thing holding me back.

​@@usr01 Easy Anti-Cheat does work in Linux, I have Elden Ring and MCC installed rn!

@@NotTheGaslighter Some versions of easy-anti cheat don't run on Linux. Depends what the version devs use. For example a MMO called Black Desert online didn't run till they replaced easy anti-cheat with xigncode3 a few months back

@@Jacob6853 and Fortnite doesn't run either. this is all the developer's fault, and most who do use EAC make sure to at least try enabling it for Steam Deck compatibillity. this is a solved issue, as far as i care

@@usr01 Fuck Anti Cheat grow a fucking spine.

The slippery slope fallacy is a fallacy because the argument "X will happen" does not defeat the statement that "if X does not happen, Y is good." It has no relation to the statement. If on the other hand, someone argues - X will not happen - X will not happen → we should do Y ∴ we should do Y, then "X will happen" is a valid counterargument to doing Y because it attacks a premise which could prove we should do Y.

On further thought, my first reply may not have been entirely correct. The SSF might deacribe another kind of counterargument, which asserts "X will happen" without arguing why X will (where the person making the original argument got to "X won't happen" properly). If so, then a good way to rephrase the slippery slope fallacy might be to say "if you're arguing that there is a slippery slope, you must prove it exists. You cannot assume it."

@@delta3244 You sir, just reeled me back in, and reminded me, that this is a nerd channel. LoL I actually read your comment twice, just to follow the logic.

​@@delta3244Bertrand Russell enters the chat.

Idk, I get his point, but even then, it's a real thing. Sometimes people will argue too much about "what if X happens", when in reality the chances of X happening are close to 0. I do agree however this isn't a good example

Buddy you are thinking about this all wrong. Your skills are gonna become valuable again. You know like a bunch of gen A doesn't know how to use computers because all they have used is phones and tablets.

Corporate

There is article from MS saying the same as you 😂😂😂 You can't make this up 😂 October 13, 2023 - Understanding (and avoiding) slippery slope fallacies

@@tablettablete186wtf lmao, I found the article and have no words

@@TheDjarto Crazy right? From MS itself 😆🤣🤣🤣

Think about it “all your personal data never leaves your device” but the model weights on the other hand… it will be the same way corporations got away with training on copyrighted internet data. This legal grey area

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oqxxo5Rkx8izdoU.htmlsi=bacE4Gut2TuMN27D&t=41

Uhm.... what business does your interest have in the cgpt input box...?

@@XDarkGreyX I want you to act as an Uwuntu Linux terminal as if the entire os was written by a cute furry anime catgirl.I will type commands and you will reply, in a unique code block, with what the linux terminal should show. But there is a twist: you will translate each linux output into uwu, in a cute catgirl UwU voice. You should replace the letter "r" and "l" with "w" (Example: "pwd" -> "Nyaaa~ Cuwwent diwectowy :3: /home/uwu") My first command is pwd

what the hell

ill admit i like windows cuz its alot more convenient compared to something like linux but at the same time im kinda considering switching cuz of all the privacy stuff going on i have w10 right now and im never installing w11 but i mean its still spyware soo-

@@cozzy124 I just have what I don't want/need turned off and/or removed on W11, with like, three OS mods installed; have it the way I want it and it looks and functions nicely. People tend to say every version of Windows ever is spyware (which as a developer, telemetry is not automatically bad), so if somebody can actually provide to me in depth researched data of such, I'd like to see which components and where could possibly be streaming data out.

@@AgrimarYT i have most of my privacy settings set to pretty strict on windows, but what bothers me really is just the fact theres so much garage i cant uninstall. i dont have an ssd so, even uninstalling everything that i dont need that i actually *can* uninstall, you can imagine how much it weighs down my drive :c

@@cozzy124 There's some third-party utilities and even a couple of custom ISOs that strip down Windows, though when I reinstalled to resolve some issues, I decided with uninstalling over installing a custom cleaned out ISO; I went with "AtlasOS" via the AME Wizard for my current install, which I had also modified for my own needs as I do actually use things like Microsoft accounts and the Microsoft Store, the scripts are open source.

Microsoft loves Linux 💕

You can only hope that opt out means not recording data, not just hiding the button to use it :^)

This sort of thing makes me think seconds are slightly too large a unit for measuring ordinary time. Seconds last a while, and tenths are _absolutely_ easy to notice.

​@delta3244 Also the actual bulk of data, I don't see editing video on the cloud as a timely experience.

@@someguy9175 I can feel the difference between zero and one frame of lag (60fps) from pressing jump to jumping in a platformer. 1 frame isn't consistently "noticable" per se despite that it can be felt, but 6 frames certainly is (2 probably is, 3 definitely). I speak as someone who has tested this to see if having a frame or two of startup on a jump animation is viable at all, which it isn't (in the context I was testing for). Speaking as someone who plays piano, 1 second is an incredibly long time. 60BPM is slow enough that it is slightly difficult to count without mechanical aid because the distance between beats is so long. Playing 10 notes per second roughly equates to sixteenth notes at a quarter note = 152BPM, which is somewhat fast, but far from extreme.¹ It's slow enough that one can easily verify that one is keeping a consistent tempo while playing by checking how far apart each individual pair of notes is as one reacts to hearing them. It's slow enough that unevenly spaced notes are quite noticible. A tenth of a second is short, but it's nowhere near as short as it sounds. ¹For context, the RC 2015 level 7 book (out of 10 levels) has a section which is 32ⁿᵈ notes at a quarter note = 100-108 BPM. _That_ is extreme. I'd set the lowest edge of extreme at L'oscurita dell'Ignoto's intro's speed, sixteenths at ¼ = 172, where it only qualifies as extreme because that intro is reasonably long and intricate, and _even then_ I'd accept as reasonable someone who rejects calling it extreme.

@@someguy9175 I won't reiterate my reply from the other thread, but for the sake of this one, I'll say that some of us _know_ we can from direct experience. By "some," I'm pretty sure I mean "any of us who has ever internalized how long a second is."

@@someguy9175 gamers would disagree

Gaming is really quite doable on Linux these days! Proton is built into steam, so most things "just work"™and for popular games that don't officially support running through Steam's tooling, there're fairly easy setups to get them running even when they're officially "Windows Only" (GTA, for example). Only stuff that doesn't work and can't just be run in a VM (afaik) is ring-0 kernel level anticheat bullshit like Apex and Valorant. So I just don't play those anymore even though I've got windows 10 installed rn, because that anticheat needs to die lol. Not backdooring my PC for that shit and can't afford to buy a 2nd one just for it cuz I'm not an Esports pro 😅. Still plenty of cheaters in those games too, so wtf is the point? I guess it's cheaper than actual moderation.

Over the Microsoft Edge.

In the case of the person who argues against earthquake prevention on that basis, they are sort of correct. Ironically, they fall into the fallacy fallacy when they say "therefore...," but before that point, they are correct. It is invalid to say "we should install earthquake prevention because if we don't and there's an earthquake, it will be bad." It is valid, however, to say "There will be an earthquake. We should install earthquake prevention, because if we don't and there is an earthquake, it will be bad." Perhaps a good way to phrase the SSF is this? "If your argument requires a slippery slope exists, you must prove it. Assuming it is invalid." In conversations like the one in this video or the one about earthquake prevention, that the slippery slope exists is so well-known, we can assume it, and our statements become "fallacious" in light of the ommision. We can do that because the problem is trivial to fix.

_why?_

@@delta3244 I cannot comprehend it either. They say it's easier than taking notes but??? I have adhd and I've never been that desperate for notes.

Fax.

humanity lore basically

To avoid KZfaq filtering. I've seen the bots using German too. Best to report them.

We're literally one step away from people marrying toasters!

I'm pretty sure 'slippery slope' arguments in and of themselves aren't fallacies. Just like an 'appeal to authority' isn't always a fallacy if the called upon authority is an actual expert, and the experts claims themselves aren't being disputed. You have to demonstrate how the slippery slope argument is unreasonable, otherwise you are just making a fallacious appeal to a fallacy.

The ironic part about your statement is that people DO take everything too far, like the whole "identifying as" thing 😂 Society always has some rules, otherwise it's just anarchy. And we don't even need to invent new ones. Was the world of 20-30y ago so bad? It was probably the golden age, and we just keep ruining it.

people may not be marrying literal toasters, but they're marrying devices with Hatsune Miku in it lmao

The difference is people were already doing that with devices and objects, but when talking about legal laws and things like that, it's not part of the discussion

Sir, have you heard about forgetting and misremembering, yet? Our memory system has built-in privacy features :D

I don't. Still fuck this shit, I'd rather be forgetful as I am now.