For my dev work, I choose to use old Skylake mini 1liter desktops from Dell to run Win7 offline, anything newer has to run Win10 or any other OS. MS seems intent on wasting my time with that side panel of useles news like its the Daily Mail of garbage.

Yea, though windows 10 improved windows update considerably minus the force updating bit of course.

@@NetraAmorosi You're joking! Compared to Win 7 updates - Win 10 is garbage! It really is. I don't know why you think that, but there's so much wrong with Win 10 updates that I don't know where to start...

This is correct. I was just lamenting yesterday how Windows 10 file copy dialogue doesn't even show you the absolute paths of files being copied now, which is rubbish. In Win 7 you can easily see where files are coming and going to/from, and if there's an issue you can easily spot where the problem is and go to it. You can't do that in Win 10 (without mods). For all of Win 10's pluses, there are far too many minuses. Microsoft has seriously lost its way.

Windows was always bad. You only realize that once you use Mac for a while. I have a top gaming pc with windows and after formatting and installing. I give it about 2 months to be slower and have some issues. While my Mac which I haven’t formatted in years still runs like the first day I bought it. Windows 7 was the same bad windows. Maybe less bad but still bad.

Me too, Linux Mint. Over 2 years now. So glad I switched.

people said that with early vista, 7, 8.0, 8.1, 10 and now 11, and soon..12

@@MrVidification They skip Windows 9 because is close to the event of 9.11 but somehow still makes 11 when is says is ended the tower fallen all they has to do is wait for 9:00am or pm in clock to see why i can't trust windows trying to make me think EV was one of them who being remade in 2024

Well for me, I can use linux but still need to run a windows vm incase i need to use adobe spps

@@jirehla-ab1671 You're gonna love what Adobe's going through. They got caught stealing private data so they added it to their terms instead of just not stealing. Every adobe app has a foss replacement if you're willing to learn.

Use Zorin OS. A Linux distro with the feel of Windows.

Damn right. Linux for the win. Linux is freedom. Windows is slavery!

@@RichardLucas sadly thats what we use in the industry, + if we cant own it then we can pirate it (secretly)

It's a bit freaky so thy're snooping around your pc? That's very nice of them.

I know right ? So many stuff, like the scheduler mentioned, both AMD with the mixed X3D chipsi and Intel with 12-14th gen had loads of problems, some of them still there to this day, almost 3 years after Windows 11 launched supposedly fixing these kind of issues. And many more things that people are complaining yet we learn that Microsoft instead of fixing these went to do things like making Edge forcefully the default or some apps ignore the default. Or steal the data from Chrome (which cannot happen by accident). Or block you from running certain executables, like that was what Windows was missing. In a way I'm happy they are doing that. Best Linux advertisement ever.

Hahahah, the one who still can't show previews of PDFs and 15 years without preview at all. Nautilus is the worst FM

Atari ST had much better file selectors 😁

Linux Mint Cinnamon is faster and more stable than any version of Windows that I have used personally over the past 30 years.

We'll see how long that lasts.. As more people join Linux expecting the green grass, corporations will then realise they can make money on it, e.g.; games gets realised natively and THEN it becomes a paid OS.. Where are you going to run to then?

@@fredsas12 Main problem is lack of drivers for hardware. I wanted but couldn't find drivers for scanner. Sadly, hardware producers don't invest into drivers for 300+ distros 🤭

actually .. i think i know what they are doing .. they are putting so much BS in there to then sell us the fix .. "oh you have too much advertising on your start menu ? - the config menu is confusing ? - here buy this 200$ upgrade to get rid of that issue ...

Yep!

But it doesn't make sense if they force companies and governments to move off from it.

That is what I am moving towards.

Moved into Mint yesterday, i got day off today and im surfing on some videos and getting deep in the customization iceberg lol

Zorin OS. A Linux distro with the feel of Windows.

Meh, I've installed that, don't like it.

@@UmVtCg Which one you didn't like? And please tell why.

You forgot also spyware with it's Copilot AI and Recall.

Always has been

Windows 7 was spyware. Windows 10 added adware. Windows 11 is now essentially ransomware (bitlocker)

@@tomprice5496 Even XP had spyware in it. Otherwise there would've been no reason for "XP Antispy". Similar tools existed for every windows since and were always among the most popular downloads on all the tech sites. For Windows 10 I use OOSU to deactivate all the things that phone home. It can also help to get rid of some of the bloat. I will never go to 11!

@@laylasmart At least it made RAT hackers free access to your recording just think if you let someone in your family access their accounts and it recorded everything made scammers easy to access data because is only opens on their accounts which the user allow them to control Did someone took my bus ( they can't mark it as stealing even if it was tooken ) because you left your keys in so they just Took it and worst they can't really be marked as a someone who done theft to your bus because they did not bypass anything just took your ride

nah, windows 7 was the peak. after that it all went downhill.

@@nickocadoavocado4251Windows 7 sucked. Childish and antiproductive and interface slowing an professional down (proven by studies)y, also it lost important features since XP. For example Hardware accelerated sound and per folder view options where just lost without proper replacement, because due to a lack of able an experienced developers MS wasnt able to keep old features working anymore ever since. Also it made an insane step back in performance. No windows version before ever took minutes to hours for just deleting a folder with some thousands of files. Practically all important downsides already cae with Vista but W7 did not fix an of the important issues. It was just liked by all the casual users, becaue they removed a few annoying changes that Vista had made,like the sidebar. Effectively it was uter rap compared to XP. And: No - DX10 is NO significant feature of Windows 7, because the only reaosn it does not (officially) exist fr XP is that Microsoft of course intentionally mad eit like this for selling W7 better. Theres no reason that anything of the irrelevant ew things that W7 could do more could not have been made on the endlessly better XP - or even better 2K.

@@nickocadoavocado4251 Win 7 was a lucky shot. They created a good OS by total coincidence and haven't been able to recreate it since, because they never understood what made it great!

The already tried that, it was called Windows RT. Then they tried it again and called it "S mode"

That goal for AI. Can they get auto correct (auto guess) to work right? Let's start there.

​@@superstar64 I'm envisioning a consumer going to a best buy and all is offered is a Microsoft thin client device. With thin client you'll sign a Windows service contract just like a cell phone plan. Locked down S mode will be the only mode. Cancel sub get an early termination fee + earn a new paper weight thin client.

@@GrayaOverload They might get auto correct / voice recognition awesome at some point. They have to market / convince peeps they want AI local processing on their device. I've used Debian for servers + docker for many years but don't feel its ideal for desktop OS. I'm exploring Linux mint + Fedora for next year cut over around Win10 EOL.

@@Feed9Will That's why I'll spend my money on a Mac.

As would Apple and Google, who both do the exact same thing. Time, and technology, and user expectations, have moved on. Perhaps you would care to join the rest of us in the 21st Century?

@@looneyburgmusic Just because they managed to make it the norm, doesn't mean that it should be like that. The rest of you "in the 21st Century" need to brought back to sane normals, like owning what you buy and having control over what you own. It's already a dystopian world, as seen by people like that guy who had its Google account shut down because they beleived he was doing child p*rn when in reality he just sent a photo of his sick baby to the doctor, during the lockdowns. And there are other examples in the same nature.

My expectation is stable: I don't want to have to relearn Windows just because Windows wants to do huge pointless modifications to each version. If I really need to learn everything, then I do it with something that has a valid reason to be be learned: Linux. Otherwise, don't break it by trying to improve it when it was already working very well. And don't bloat it when people (1) don't have money to buy lates technology just to run your resource-hungry OS, (2) people already know how to install programs and they have their own list of favourite software saved somewhere. Being in XXIst century means listening to the ones that have made you great - your users - not expecting from them to be your doormat.

Agreed, we need more EU antitrust suits!

​@@looneyburgmusic Unless you have a clear example of those two companies doing the same thing, I am not buying it. All companies have their issues, but as far as I can tell, Microsoft is the most unbearable. The good news is that if you don't want to deal with it, you have alternatives; however, you are forced to know how to use Microsoft products in most tech jobs unless you find a .Net free tech stack to work with. The cycle will never end because users will continue to support Microsoft, Apple, and Google because the alternatives don't have their software of choice. This is why companies have no incentive to change. The consumer is in a hell of their own making.

Windows 7 is the last version I am prepared to use.

Can't say this. Of course Linux is getting better but it still unuseable for Joe Average. And so many things that still are difficult (certified encrypted PDF for visa applications - no free OS can do this). Wayland blocks the display server => Ctrl-Shift-Alt, Printing is 10x slower on Linux, Network problems and disappearing network devices (latest Fedora Upgrade 4 month ago) .....

@@llothar68 If by Average Joe you mean the common man doing the tasts the common man does on laptop, Linux is now great. I have put Linux (KDE) on four laptops and one desktop in the last year for use by non-techies. Absolutely NO compliaints. Set up, tweak and then everything runs fine and they can do all their work again without having to fork out on new kit for Windows 10 or 11. No network issues, no wifi issues, youtube, Google all run fine and that's pretty much the extent of need for the common man these days. If it didn't work for Average Joe I would be having complaints like crazy. I have had to turn down on eager wannabe convert because they use an ancient version of AutoCAD for the family business along with a load of other creaking propriatory specialist stuff and I had to direct them to new hardware and Windows. But that was a bit beyond 'Average Joe.'

I'm using Linux but under Ubuntu my 13700k had 50% performance

@@jakejoyride Just for reference, a lot depends on the kernel and timing under Linux. When new tech appears it takes time for Linux to optimize so if the 12700 was new at the time then performance will not be optimized until a new kernel appears and even then you have to install the new kernel - though under Ubuntu it's not really a big deal. However, firmware can be an issue and it's work checking if your distro using the suppliers propitiatory firmware if you want best performance. Also, you can get speed optimized kernels though at cost to power consumption. The Liquorix and Xanmod kernels are pretty easy to install and are updated frequently. So it is possible that the default kernel of any distro at a particular time may not delver best performance and then it might be worth looking at an optimized kernel... or just waiting until a new kernel is released with better support for a brand new CPU.

@@jakejoyride I understand you likely compared the performance with Windows currently, but just throwing it out there that there are massive problems with the 13th and 14th gen CPU's -- at least the 700 and 900 models, where many have been degrading rapidly -- even some of the types of CPU's being used in servers in stable conditions/no overclocking or high heat. Hardware Unboxed and Level1Techs are 2 of the ones posting videos a couple months ago and recently regarding it and worth searching up and watching if not already familiar with it.

I do enjoy Linux, I have the problem where I get in to switching distos, got to try them all.

I'm in the process of dual booting win10 alongside Linux Mint this week. I've never used a Linux distro before so it should be new and exciting. 😁

​@@jaxonswain3408Windows being dual booted alongside a Linux distro isn't a good idea in my experience. I would just get a new drive to run the other distro on since I've had one OS brick while trying to coexist with the other. By all means, give it a shot, but I just wanted to tell you about my experience since it can get complicated in that configuration.

I have two GPUs in my PC. ...that's about it xD yes, it is causing all sorts of original and creative problems in linux, while on windows, it kinda (trigger warning) *just works.*

X - Doubt

my exact same sentiment bro... unbelievable.... if only there was a no spyware option that already does everything better than Windows, except for running a few proprietary apps & some games?

Try setting up Linux for a old relative which you only see once or twice per year and you'd understand. For basic folk it's still just the easy "just works" way. And there are also cases where it's required for specific cases, like those stupid games with that rootkit they call anticheat, or those stupid Adobe programs (man, Microsoft should pay Adobe, they have no idea how many people wouldn't switch just because of Adobe products. Fortunately Adobe is so greedy and stupid, now alternatives are rising from people that got fed up with their BS) or simply developing Windows apps. Frustratingly is that also many, MANY big companies use the Microsoft ecosystem because they have everything they need - the Office suite, Active Directory, Teams, Windows enterprise which can be controlled pretty well. And such, they don't want to try alternatives, or stick to this but also offer Linux support for their staff, because in this day and age AI spending is more important that 2-3 extra guys in the IT deparment. So much hate.

I'm an Archlinux user. I'll tell you why Linux will probably never be mainstream: it's not user friendly. Linux inherently requires a level of technical know-how and the patience to solve problems. Do you know how much of a minority we are? 98% of users want a device that "just works". They will not google, they will not "read the manual". Everything must work immediately from the get go. One click and done. Almost no one wants to know what a package manager is. The Linux open source community takes a foolish pride in orienting things towards techies. Most people just want it to be accessible. Microsoft banks on that. Besides you and me, who cares about privacy? If the computer turns on and opens Microsoft Excel for their office job, they'll stick with it. I can guarantee you that 99% of current Windows users will never learn how to create a bootable USB. They'll use whatever comes pre-installed in their laptop or what everyone else around them uses. They are Microsoft's target demographic and Microsoft intends to make them more docile by offering AI to automate things. It is not the users' fault. As Linus Trovalts himself said, the problem with linux is the linux community. Because they don't put in the effort to welcome the average user. No one is gonna choose GIMP over Photoshop if GIMP remains shittier to use.

Apple is way too overpriced, locked down, and underhanded in it's own ways for my taste. Linux is the only real alternative to me, though it still has it's areas that it needs to build on and refine.

If I don't find success getting a good working Windows VM with low audio latency working for recording music, I will use my M1 for it, but my understanding is Mac isn't that much better than Windows regarding privacy. I'll still try to use Linux for many things, though again the use of KZfaq or even most web browsers is giving away tons of information to the vultures.

@@Rushtallica Most information re: Mac is anonymous when using their services and much is encrypted. Apple is pretty good about privacy, especially compared to Windows/Microsoft. I own both, but I only use my P.C. for 3d work, no personal info on it and not signed into a MS account. Frankly I'm looking at loading Linux on it when I get comfortable enough.

Iphones literally have a backdoor since ios 13

@@NetraAmorosi of curse they are overpriced their stuff is only cheap because is way to dead to be profitable by apple to sell Your mac that everyone wants( M2 PRO 8GB RAM 256GB ) Your Old Mac mini that cheap and no one wants 2 core in 2024 ( Intel core 2 core 4GB RAM 128GB or 64GB ) - No one wants it because is basically on is own 2 legs on every task given ( ram too small cpu basically too slow to work with new 2024 software

I suppose you are right but I just don't trust Google. Google search is complete waste now. I have had to go to a private search engine.

It concerns me that I don't that it is the ultimate bad move. There are certainly worse moves!

For now they will just try harder for the next one.

Still trying to decide which one should be on my main system, Just need to resist the urge to change distos after a while.

True, the whole right to repair is another story with them. I just want a perfect company, consumer focused.

Most users won't do that, and you have the average user frustrated.

That could be.

And this Hybrid architectures on CPU today are not playing well with Windows.

Yeah EndevourOS is great have it installed on most of my machines. Just keep Windows for required Adobe and Microsoft software. Wish Linux could run office 365 natively and the Adobe suites.

Use Zorin OS. A Linux distro with the feel of Windows.

Did you have an option as not having internet connection? I just set up a new system without MS account and created an iso file just a week ago from MS website. Even if bogus details they probably created that account for you and if hacked you could be locked out of your pc if not having a local account. You still can create it afterwards.

@@D.von.N Nah, when it couldn't find an internet connection I was just stuck at that step. Thanks for reminding me to switch to a local account though, I can still do that after the fact.

@@forgottenprophet0 Ok. I am now a Linux user and created Windows on the go usb, so I can use it if needed. One more thing to do at this point: if you have 23H2, configure it so they don't upgrade it to 24 version. It sucks, LOL I did that with Win10, to stay on 22H2. done with their shenanigans.

You didn't try the command thing?

I don't think even if they charged for updates they would not have ads.

So they are getting rid of their entire market?

They should have never moved the start menu. One of the biggest complains from clients.

I mostly agree. Depends on the Sofware you are running. My day job we build software that runs on Linux and Windows.

@@GrayaOverload its not just the software (although it is a very big part of it) but the infrastructure as well. Active Directory, Windows servers etc. I'm keeping an eye on Russia and China to see how they manage to avoid Microsoft, Autodesk, Adobe, Apple, Google and other SW giants.

But you had to be REALLY stupid and get a CrapBook...

people said Apple was greedy when windows cost more tax than us £119 on every PC with the key - think if they try to copy the key for your windows 11 pro so they take it away and given them ( FREE active windows ) and take the key with the scammers at least is not much worst than XP ( Log you out of windows wants you to pay for the key by forcing you to pay for one

they only giving Mac a pointer on their image as they allow local users who picked to be Apple ID

I use Linux, not yet on my daily machine. I get distro jumpy, I always want to try another one.

They care about that and AI

I have thought about it.

yeah. and the thing is.. you shouldn’t have to reinstall your OS… like ever… Maybe linux.. because you can do whatever you want on it.. But windows stops you from deleting the system (unless your persistent)..

@@asphalt2554 I have a HP all-in-one I don't reinstall for the heck of it. Last month I got a bios update which locked me out of Windows 11. If you google it seem to be a HP issue. After the update it disable my webcam so Windows Hello didn't work. It told me my pin which is a backup was unavailable. No idea why this happen. Anyway I was luckily F10 or whatever the HP menu key is had a recovery option so I was able to reinstall and get back in. I al have a Dell but no issue when it had a bios update.

@@RandallLind rip

I will find MS getting a lite version of the OS an amazing task considering how big they are making it.

@@GrayaOverload Windows 365 allready exists. If they can create an os, with only RDP running on it, and you connect to the cloud, then that is sufficient. It is not that I have knowledge, but being in IT for over 30 years, and the big plans they had with Windows 98, and its office in the cloud. Yet nobody wanted it. They are making the spirits ready to accept.

In that case you are in good health. :)

@@GrayaOverload Great. That's the good news I wanted to hear!

I am testing different distros in vmware and no hassle with dual booting. We still have one year. 😢

i had same problem because i use latest 4070 Ti Super, there's many distros already with latest Nvidia drivers (from 530 if i'm correct) - like Ubuntu latest, Zorin, maybe latest Fedora, Nobara & Mint also. On distrowatch there's table where you can check what exact distro supports. From windows driver i really miss the feature to use system Ram with Vram & super resolution for videos (hard to say when such comes to their Linux control panel). There's also the thing in some distros of screen tearing in 60 FPS videos but in certain webbrowser, usually in Chrome, in Firefox video plays normally.

I want the repairability which seems to be harder and harder to get with a good OS unless you go Linux