Microwave oven inverter hacking - the new MOT

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poultonm

poultonm

12 жыл бұрын

Interfacing with the high voltage inverter from a Panasonic microwave. Useful for projects like vacuum tube Tesla coils (VTTC), radio transmitters, induction heaters, or any other project where a microwave oven transformer (MOT) might be used. With only the addition of a simple 555 timer circuit, you get a variable constant-current 100-400mA 4.5kV DC power supply. Be safe; these things are extremely dangerous.
UPDATE: The output section consists of a 2-diode, 2-capacitor full wave bridge doubler. The diodes can be reversed to produce a positive output. The inverter is a flyback topology, so the output can be half-wave rectified without a problem. Placing both diodes in parallel and reusing the capacitors for smoothing gives twice the current and half the voltage, which is better for most vacuum tube applications.

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@towerclimber7277
@towerclimber7277 4 жыл бұрын
Damn... I really wish you were still making videos! Great stuff man
@juarezvivo-sc2qi
@juarezvivo-sc2qi 6 жыл бұрын
Poultonm; thanks for your video, it was very illustrative, but I was wondering about what you said in the vid description; do you think replacing the high voltage transformer with a cooper loop will do the same job as a induction heather or it requires anothers modificions ? Thanks in advance for your comments.
@bertrandlapointe6479
@bertrandlapointe6479 2 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial Mr Poulton. I got a panasonic inv to run after watching your video. I don't have to tie the fdbk signal to common through a 1k resistor on my unit. This signal appear to go through an optocoupler output . Maybe other inverters are different. Tks for the video, good job !!
@poultonm
@poultonm 11 жыл бұрын
The control circuit is at least as simple as anything you could reasonably want to power with this thing... It's about the simplest project possible using an integrated circuit. There are literally dozens of different ways to build it that would work. All you need is a square wave with the proper characteristics. A quick google search will turn up plenty of possible approaches. I just googled square wave oscillators and PWM circuits to find a solution that would work with parts in my bin.
@murraymadness4674
@murraymadness4674 2 жыл бұрын
great info thanks. Do you think I could rewind the primary to take 12v inputs? so I can run microwave on 12v.
@PyrotechnicalScience
@PyrotechnicalScience 5 жыл бұрын
can anyone enlighten me on the 555 timer circuit for this as I’m I’m new to electronics ,correct me if I’m wrong but 555 timer only can go to a minimum of 50% duty cycle so how did he manage to reach a 43% duty cycle on a 555 timer, is there something I’m missing?
@NOBOX7
@NOBOX7 11 жыл бұрын
can you show us how to bypass the duty cycle circuit? is it possible to simply power the inverter with the microprocessor board or control panel of the microwave
@poultonm
@poultonm 12 жыл бұрын
@Alex1M6 I'm sure it'll be awhile until the iron transformers go away. These are still only in high-end microwaves. While these are flyback mode converters, the transformer doesn't have much in common with a CRT flyback except a gapped ferrite core. The turns ratio is about 10x lower, and it's made for much higher power at lower voltage. Peak secondary voltage is about 4.5kV. And unlike a CRT flyback, these things will straight up kill you and set you on fire. Just like a MOT.
@CoolDudeClem
@CoolDudeClem 11 жыл бұрын
If I ever find one of these thrown out somewhere, I would re-wind the output transformer and use it in a switch-mode power supply project.
@einspace2007
@einspace2007 10 жыл бұрын
Hi, I want to do something similar, but instead of using the inverter ps, I'm trying to use the oven with the old transformer, capacitor and diode just to eliminate the inverter ps. I connected a 1k resistor between orange and brown and it worked, but only for 23 seconds, then shut down. Have any idea what is going on here? Thanks.
@tezzasmith9
@tezzasmith9 12 жыл бұрын
Awesome tutorial Poultonm: would you mind emailing me through a quick diagrame of the control wires conneted to the 1K resister!! not to sure of which 3 wires to connect it to. Kind regards. Terrt
@ZaheerKhan-jt6ve
@ZaheerKhan-jt6ve 6 жыл бұрын
Hi good day i have the same microwave but no display on controller board and i saw smoke coming from microprocessor on controller board , can i set up a seperate controller board using the 555 timer ic to turn on the high voltage circuit ? Can you please assist me with the shematic diagram.thank you.
@poultonm
@poultonm 11 жыл бұрын
Sure! As long as you want your radio transmitter/Tesla coil/induction heater/other contraption to be programmed and operated like a microwave oven. I can't imagine that would be very useful though.
@sweetguy19762
@sweetguy19762 8 жыл бұрын
poultonm I rewined my MOT it is 18 volts maybe 20 amps how do I vary it from 1 to 18 so I can control my induction heater?
@TheExplosiveGuy
@TheExplosiveGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Would an RC servo tester generate the right PWM signal? That would be a really easy and cheap way to control it if it does, it has a little dial to set the PWM value. I got one of these newer MOT units recently and couldn't for the life of me get it to work, not knowing about the PWM thing, so I scavenged it for components but I'll keep an eye out for another one to experiment on, being able to adjust the power level would be great, it would have worked well for a capacitor bank charger I'm putting together. These do come with some excellent components though, I got a great ferrite core, a good length of fine magnet wire, a few feet of Litz wire, a mosfet, a 1000V bridge rectifier with heatsink, a bigass resistor, a couple small capacitors and a few other odds and ends, at least it wasn't a total loss. Now I'm using the 1KV rectifier on my capacitor bank charger that's using a regular iron-core MOT connected to a 500 Watt variac to dial in the 475 Volts I need for the caps, with a couple light bulbs in series on the primary to get my current way down. It's going to be fun, the bank has nineteen (would have been 20 but one was bulging😒) 422uF caps at 475 Volts each, with a total capacitance of 8,000uF so each pulse will be just shy of 1KJ.
@MegatronFlexmistic09
@MegatronFlexmistic09 6 жыл бұрын
Do you know what would be the reason of sparking inside the inverter board.
@paulsonji
@paulsonji 9 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have seen your Utube demo for Microwave oven Inverter hacking - the new MOT, and pleased to watch the very informative illustration. I would like to know whom and how should I contact to clarify a problem about my Inverter Grill M.W. No.NN-GD371M. Thank you JP
@MohamadSayadiFars
@MohamadSayadiFars 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Dear Inverter Enthusiasts I have been designing a controller for a National inverter board with two IGBTs and I have not yet concluded to the exact timing for the duty cycle because I do not know the transformer and magnetron’s parameters. Any suggestion to tackle this problem would be highly appreciated. Thank you for taking time to read this script.
@frednardshilomboleni5526
@frednardshilomboleni5526 2 жыл бұрын
Where can we buy the parts of microwave in WINDHOEK NAMIBIA?
@edwardbass9255
@edwardbass9255 3 жыл бұрын
This is a very informative video. Thanks for the hack. I have one of these inverters from a Panasonic NN-H665BF microwave. I also want to repurpose the timer controller from this microwave on a separate project. However, the 3 lines from the main PCB to the inverter and/or the line voltage connections to the inverter are required somehow to feedback to the controller that the inverter is powered up. If these lines are not completed, the timer always stops after 3 seconds. Do you have any idea how to bypass this function on the timer/main PCB? I thought it might be that the orange 110 hz square wave line needs to be simulated by a custom 555 timer circuit?
@poultonm
@poultonm 3 жыл бұрын
I have no idea. I did not attempt to use the microwave's control board at all. However, I would start by simulating the same signals and voltages on its interfaces that you find during normal operation. The PWM signal might be important.
@brendonstanley437
@brendonstanley437 2 жыл бұрын
Did you end up working it out ? I'm not having any luck. Mine read 220hz 30% duty when attached to inverter but when I disconnect and give it that with a generator it still stops after 3 seconds........
@user-sk3bu2ny3x
@user-sk3bu2ny3x Жыл бұрын
Perfect
@poultonm
@poultonm 11 жыл бұрын
I would assume it performs very poorly, probably by self-destructing. It might survive since it's a constant-power regulator, but that would be well outside its normal operating parameters so I would not expect it. The results will not be as impressive as you hope, since iron core transformers handle very high peak powers that make impressive arcs. This thing will never push much more power than it's designed for.
@poopieheadface
@poopieheadface 11 жыл бұрын
how did you find the specs for the wires/pinouts?
@BH4x0r
@BH4x0r 12 жыл бұрын
can you show it in action? (arcing)
@ROCKNTV1
@ROCKNTV1 12 жыл бұрын
@poultonm thank you for the video,, subbed
@poultonm
@poultonm 11 жыл бұрын
There are none available. That's why I reverse-engineered it. As far as I know, I'm the first to publish this information publicly.
@jimw83296
@jimw83296 8 жыл бұрын
any chance you can provide the schematics for that 555 timer circuit?
@antoineblanchard
@antoineblanchard 6 жыл бұрын
?
@nwintran
@nwintran 9 жыл бұрын
Hi friend, Excellent work! I came across your KZfaq just lately and am enjoying them thoroughly. Thank you for your skillful engineering work. I think +5V at pin 3 after the AC power switch on will work. Don't you think? Somebody overcame the cutout problem you experienced by modifying the PWM TTL signal input . Thanks again Nwin
@nwintran
@nwintran 9 жыл бұрын
nwintran Sorry I missed Anton's comment on when he applied +5V to pin 3 and the inverter did not work. Just now I was assured by a Panasonic microwave inverter oven technician that if one turns on the Panasonic Inverter oven then select full microwave power (100%) then the full power will be on in few seconds seconds. Does it mean the same as applying +5V to pin 3 in a PWM controller.
@nwintran
@nwintran 9 жыл бұрын
nwintran Sorry I was not quite correct in my last sentence in a previous comment. For full power the duty cycle of the PWM must be less than 90%. This means that applying +5V DC is not exactly the same as a 90% duty cycle PWM TTL signal.
@coolbagofdoritos4621
@coolbagofdoritos4621 Жыл бұрын
I think iv found a way to bypass the square wave safety and get 100% output by soldered over the switch
@devicemodder
@devicemodder 6 жыл бұрын
Is there any way that I can simulate the pwm to get the timer control board up and running?
@edwardbass9255
@edwardbass9255 3 жыл бұрын
Use a NE555 timer circuit.
@tysonmercier2463
@tysonmercier2463 11 жыл бұрын
Many have asked, but could you please post a schematic of the 555 circuit? Im at a complete loss on what values to use for the capacitors and resistors.
@Alex1M6
@Alex1M6 12 жыл бұрын
Its a shame they are doing this and getting rid of the MOT designs, although at-least it gives high voltage junkies like me a new source for flyback transformers.
@TheSmileyFacedPizza
@TheSmileyFacedPizza 10 жыл бұрын
What voltage must the 220Hz square be at? Also, does it have to be strictly 220Hz, or could it be off a little?
@2ninga
@2ninga 6 жыл бұрын
TheSmileyFacedPizza Hertz is not as important as duty cycle. But if you're using an Arduino, you shouldn't have a problem matching the hertz exactly
@jaymorris3468
@jaymorris3468 3 жыл бұрын
As a non electrician I'm surprised you said the Inverter produces microwaves, did you mean with the magnatron attached?
@poultonm
@poultonm 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously the magnetron produces the microwaves, when powered by the inverter.
@jaymorris3468
@jaymorris3468 3 жыл бұрын
@@poultonm thank god for that, I'm a layman so I didn't have a clue, so when it was worded that way I was perplexed, cheers,I can take it apart now (after discharging the PCB)
@lilrida649
@lilrida649 3 жыл бұрын
How would I make a fractal woodburner machine from this though?! I have a 1300 w microwave for this one found out that it's not the old one 😂 help!
@roelme384
@roelme384 7 жыл бұрын
Any one knows how to reduce the voltage output of microwave inverter instead increase the Amperes of its current for possible inverter welder projects
@RNA0ROGER
@RNA0ROGER 6 жыл бұрын
You simply cannot do that.
@CATA20034
@CATA20034 12 жыл бұрын
quasi Flyback, It turns off the igbt when the voltage is lower..... IT IS A FLYBACK
@poultonm
@poultonm 11 жыл бұрын
This would not be a good choice for an ozone generator. Ozone generators require high voltage at low current, and total power much lower than what this is designed for. A flyback transformer would be a better choice. This thing does not produce enough voltage, and is far too dangerous for that application.
@a380rockerfan
@a380rockerfan 11 жыл бұрын
Could you just control it with the time control board that came with it?
@shelbysgarage5828
@shelbysgarage5828 3 жыл бұрын
KiwiHVGuy yes
@ubuntupokemoninc
@ubuntupokemoninc 12 жыл бұрын
tesla community saved!
@MrVetis
@MrVetis 10 жыл бұрын
So basically unless you have the right equipment an your a rocket scientist these things are useless. Gee thanks
@fairyheli2
@fairyheli2 10 жыл бұрын
building a 555 timer circuit is hardly rocket science when we live in a world with google and online calculators.
@awo1fman
@awo1fman 2 жыл бұрын
So the term "inverter" is a lie, and these actually use the opposite (a rectifier) to work. And pulsed DC is not the same as AC. Taking AC and turning it into DC is exactly the job of a rectifier. There ought to be a law prohibiting deliberately misleading nomenclature. Think about it: an inverter is what creates AC electricity. To apply an "inverter" to an AC power source is worse than pointless. I think I'll manufacture a switchmode power supply and call it a "Transformer®". 🙄
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