How Tolkien fell in love with Finland / @Irish in Finland: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jth-ps-lzNXFp6s.html

Tolkien fell in love with the Finnish language ( and who wouldn’t? ) which led him to Kalevala and eventually creating The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.

And this is how my dive into finnish mythology begins

Great video! My English partner refused to listen to your reasoning but I think there’s a clear link between Kalevala and LOTR. He was trying to make a national epos for England to look like the ones he loved and even if he didn’t mean all the parallels there are still a lot of similarities.

The overall spirit of the mythology I saw in this film had many similarities to Turkic Shamanist/Tengriist mythology, which by the way, also has a Middle Earth where the humans, animals, and so on, live. Add the similarities between Finno-Ugric languages and Turkic, one can see the evidence of some common ancestry in Siberia.

You can almost feel the enthusiasm about Finnish mythology in your voice 😅😅

I grew up watching the LoTR, I have a nice bookset on my bookshelf too, guess what sets before it, The Kalevala. They definitely have a strong link, but you can tell he gets a lot of other inspiration from Norse Mythology too. Great video though, much better than those who think it's linked to WWI. He wrote LoTR as an escape, not to be reminded. I think it's good for new stories to come about from the gods of Nordic Mythology though instead of these comic superheros.

The Elvish Quenya indeed brought Kvens to my mind as well. There are different forms of the name in old maps and other sources with similar pronunciation. Kvenland, known as Cwenland, Cwenaland, Qwenland, Kænland. (Kvens, Qwens, Quens, Cwens, Cwenas, Kvænir) Qwnio, Qwens - by Ulfilas (in Gothic: Wulfila), c. 352; Finnas, Cwenas - by Ohthere of Hålogaland, c. 888; Finnas, Cwenas, Qwen (Qwensae) - by King Alfred the Great of Wessex, c. 890.

Epic video. Very informative. Greetings goes out from Hungary Suomi Cousins. May the Gods bless all the Finno-Ugric Nations/Tribes.

Now I can't unsee elves basically going around shouting PRRRRKLE on the battle field.

I grew up watching films and readings books about Tolkien’s legendarium. 3 years ago I also started learning Finnish because I loved how it sounds 🧡 Thank you so much for your video! Now it’s my favourite KZfaq channel 🌿

I have always wanted an epic Kalevala movie but if all we get is quality of Rings of Power and Hobbit movies, nah, no thanks! Great video!

One thing I have never seen mentioned is that the Kalevala in Finnish, and some translations (Crawford for example), has a meter of eight syllables per line. Many of Tolkien's songs follow the same pattern. Have a look at the magical struggle between Sauron and Finrod in the Tale of Beren and Luthien.

Oldiest part of Kalevala are from stone age. Kalevala has inflict much that later come Eddas and Beowulf. Beowulf has odd connect to Kalevala. Not suprize that Tolkien like it.

Another great video, I just loved it, thank you for making them. Sending all my best to you, Maggie

Great stuff, thanks Antti!

Great info. Nicely done!

such a discovery! thanks for your video offerings.

I think the concept of word-based magic in Kalevela prophesied the development of computer science and computational modelling for engineering. In ancient times, people just looked at the deep complexity of nature, and realized there is some deep order inside that could potentially be understood and controlled. In our time, our modern blacksmiths use the language of computers to investigate the nature of reality and create new tech products.

Great video, thanx for making this, keep up the good work!

Brilliant. Simply brilliant. This was a really great video. I’ve read LOTR and other books by Tolkien many, many times and the Kalevala a couple of times and have read how he found inspiration from old Finnish mythology. Thanks! 🙏🏻

Love all the puns and word plays!

Ilúvatar may contain traces of Ilmatar, but it is also a linguistic incarnation of the Allfather, Odinn.

Great video and animation (sinä olet velho)! I have a growing love and respect for Finnish things, and I end up doing deep dives in things I love. I think that part of what Tolkien did was to make a believable, cohesive take on the ancient stories surrounding greater Europe, finding commonalities in them. Finnish lore definitely plays a part in the world he built. The inspiration is there. I don’t really want to watch RoP, though I own multiple copies of LoTR, including books and movies. I have also read and seen The Hobbit. I’m a fan of what Tolkien created. RoP takes quite the modern, creative license on things. Too much seems out of character and spirit for me (mostly Galadriel). They worked hard and I’m sure it will appeal to some fans.

Thank you

4:35 ...prosperity...and lots of trouble...! 🙁

As a full blooded Finnish American, at the age of 64 I’m delving into my history and heritage. Now I can understand why I just never spiritually understood Biblical fiction and the blood spilled in its name…

Ilmarisen vasara on Otava. Sen voi kuvitella näyttäneen eniten vasaralle muinaiselle ihmiselle. Esim. Hakaristi symboli on tullut kun yhdistetään yhteen kuvaan Otavan sijainti eri päivätasauksissa. Otava sijaitsee pohjantähden vierellä ja pyörii vuoden mukaan sen ympäri. Tässä havaitaan myös ns. Ilmarisen taonta. Iso sampo pyörii jauhaen pois vanhaa, samalla luoden uutta.

Music by Karneh. :)

Not to be complete grape in mouth about you're video, i had to check the Tom Bombadil part since i've forgotten about him, i readed LOTR after the movies and really did not remember anything about Tom Bombadil so thank you for the reminder. It was nice to read the LOTR parts again where Tom Bombadil appears, he is the most mysterious character in Middle-Earth and maybe unfinished character since J.R.R has gone to heaven, maybe i will hear who Tom Bombadil is after i die :) Bombadil uses singin to free the hobbits from "Old Man Willow" by singing into it's tree trunk, this magical tree lures his pray then makes em sleep but his powers are nowhere near of Tom Bombadil

Well, he took heavy inspiration from many cultures and sagas and myths. Greek, Nordic, Slavic, Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Irish, etc. So not surprising he also got inspiration from Finnish myths and language. Only thing Tolkien didnt like, was French which he openly stated. Such an open mind yet so narrow in some regards 🙂

Terve! Kiitos! Perkele! That's the extent of my Finnish, I doubt Tolkien would be impressed. XD

I like that is a troll or a goblin is explaining Kalevala here.

You did not mention that Silmarillion is "S ILMARI LLION". 😅

for algorithm

I pray that you regain your sight little goblin guy.

supposedly, the very idea that wizards use staffs to cast spells comes from finnish mythology but i don't see that

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LOTR is implicitly Nordic so its very reasonable for people to get annoyed with Hollywoods constant "Brown washing" I dont like when movies white wash characters either..

Christian Finnish Frostiis J.R.R Tolkien was very angry about his favorite story in Silmarillion the Túrin Turambar's story is just plagiarization of Kalevala's Kullero story, even if the author himself was angry the finnish still keep the mention of Kullervo on the back of J.R.R Tolkien's books and that is disrespecting. Gandalf is a angel J.R.R himself explained that the deities of Middle-Earth are better understood by christians as they know of the hierarchy of angels. Lets remember that J.R.R Tolkien wanted to make a story that promotes christian values (the author of Narnia books also went with this route after the two had a converstation about the issue) no longer would Britain have to endure they're national epoch being pro-christian fiction The King Arthur's story. So as you can see the Middle-Earth is more inspired by christianity than pagan beliefs, not to say J.R.R Tolkien was not interested in them but you can go so much overboard with this that you actually got J.R.R Tolkien angry. I am finnish and i've in the same boat with J.R.R just if the story has similar features, that does not make the story plagarization and he had every right to be offended. Let's finnish people be glad what we have contributed to Middle-Earth but let's also remember who wrote the books and we finnish did not write Tolkiens work but we as anyone else get to enjoy them. Iluvitar is just Ilmatar... to much jumping to conclusions ! Tolkein wanted to spread christian values thorough his work, he would not name his prime deity as just wind. You read too much into paganism, this is the attitude that ruins the feeling of J.R.R Tolkiens work, just purely like the historians like vultures you rip pieces of the original meaning away. Sampo gives only profit, Middle Earth relics give power Louhi is just a human as Morgoth is Arch-Angel type being, you cannot compare. You too would make J.R.R mad with you're plagarization accusations on the Túrin Turambar & Kullervo story. That story is like i said J.R.R favorite and my favorite of Silmarillion, maybe you should read more J.R.R than you're pagan endorsing pages

Your tone makes it hard to followed, it seems you did that on purpose, it's not cool , it's boring, doesn't keep your attention

So Middle Earth is Wacist coz it is Finnish??? hahaha

Great video, im only just beginnin to learn about finnish mythology so please forgivr me if im wrong: you note that iluvatar is a clear analogue for the christian God because tolkien was christian, but i think you fail to mention that lönnrot was also a devout christian, and that was his analogy for Ilmatar as well, there are also references to the virgin birth (impregnated by a lingenberry), i might have misunderstood what you were saying though