When really thinking that over, God's plan according to Calvinists is worse than Satan's plan in the Grand Council of Heaven. Both take away agency, but at least the latter would have guaranteed Salvation! It makes me really consider that Calvinism (not Reformed Christians per se) is the fruit of Satan's pettiness. Upset that he didn't get his way, he now tricks believers into believing in a God who robbed their agency and punishes people for His own glory.

i also used to be reformed as well. I am now a latter-day saint. I love to hear from others who have had the same conversion.

Hate isn't it : it's called defending the faith: like mormons don't do this against Christianity! You're double standard is ignorant!

@@davidjanbaz7728 ah, but Mormons are Christians. Brian, you are an inspiration, brother.

@@chrissessions6108 only says mormons !??? But with 3gods one only in purpose; 4 counting heavenly mother and a second Spirit of Christ. You're godhead of three is really five: no where near Christian.

@@davidjanbaz7728 when we say "hate" we're not pulling it out of our backsides here... calvanists preach hatred against our Church. They call us a cult, we preach heresy, they have mission trips to "convert the mormons." Compare that to our preaching. In the Articles of Faith we preach that all people have the right to worship in their own way. We do not call other religious denominations cults, and we don't seek to convert them. We merely preach what we believe.

Right ! You'll get Brownie points for that!

@@davidjanbaz7728 glad to see you're still trolling/don't know how to type.

No

@@andreatimmers1720 no? Tell me why then.

No, actually, they use their god-given free-will to hate and destroy instead of build and love.

@@JacobWHill I agree but this was in reference to the Calvinist belief of pre-determination. Calvinists don’t believe in free will.

Top 10 Durbin FAILS: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html

Clueless: nothing similar see Acts17apologetics and DCCI ministries ! You're prophet is just a big brother to JS and both are fake!

Isn't Islam work based though?

EXACTLY!!!!!!

They say that you are not saved because God didn't choose you to be saved.

But you guys always try to go back to respect in your videos and try to be mindful. So thankyou for that.

@@Herosoulstone so saying terrible things is ok if they then say o we really didn't mean them ????

@@davidjanbaz7728 I don't think that's what they are doing.

@@davidjanbaz7728you seem to be at peace and very humble. What do you believe in that makes you this way?

I love this comment. Turning from sin and toward Jesus is the whole point of our doctrine. We can change, we believe that we MUST change.

edit: a lot of modern day calvinists are converts from another branch of christianity or atheism/agnosticism. a lot of mormons are born into the faith. our families are strong.

Always better to be born into a religion if you want to teach the kids. LDS has 70% higher youth retention numbers while other religions are dwindling. NBC Today Show story: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html

Funny ex- mormons say the same things about you're church!

@@weeklyhoss256 You're 1% of total . We could loose 80% and still be larger than you! Statics are easily manipulated especially by NBC and you!

Statistics can be maniulated, and figures can distorted to fit a narrative.

aspencrest. I don't think they are groping around in the dark. They have spoken with Calvinists. They have done some reading, too.

They have spoken to many and Kwaku has debated some too.

Thank you! I am heavily Germanic and found that remark fairly ignorant. I otherwise like Kwaku.

Best 3:00 min Jean Calvin vid on youtube right here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html

@@weeklyhoss256 calvin could be Brigham Young's twin !

@@tylerhinds3046 his sarcastic comments just cover up his half- truths, but the two others on these videos are just as snarky! The Midnight or PB Afterdark mormons !

Not really, but Molinism is a better way of seeing how predestination and free will work together without making us robots or changing God's devine plan for the Ages!

Not true, Kwaku's testimony on outer appearances here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html

@@weeklyhoss256 he joined to turn white and delightsome! As per ( Brigham Young's quote in JoD vol ,14,p.86) of God's curse on darker skin people! When he turns white then i will know your church is true!

@@weeklyhoss256 ha. Good one.

Exactly right

Ohh will he get to slander someone or commit defamation of character again?

I'll do it

Danites were loose cannons with little actual direction from JSJr. Nauvoo legion was just Church members on state paystubs

Kwaku always has selective memory on such things. LOL

No, JS and BY did !

Fear God :not man, especially mormons!

Victory Outreach is to addicted people! They will take anyone !

Seems the restored Gospel makes people hateful!

@@davidjanbaz7728 That's quite the stretch. Being LDS, I've met other Christians that were kind and respectful to me for my beliefs and others that were extremely hostile and dare I say, "hateful". We're all just people and everyone is different. The restored Gospel doesn't promote or teach hate.

no. or else the governor would be dead.

Try getting your information from first hand sources rather than those with an anti LDS Agenda...

I’ve met Durbin in person. He’s actually a really laid back guy. He needs to visit Utah again.

@@BrendonKing 👍and check out Dr.Michael Heiser videos on Naked Bible podcast!

@@BrendonKing they have a video against BYU professors leading mormons astray. Well one PHD in Biblical languages actually got an article from Dr. Michael Heiser into BYU professional journal critiquing Mormonism's view of the Council of God. Dr.Michael Heiser has good videos on the O.T. and mormons try to use his teachings and say he agrees with them; but really he doesn't! Let me know what you think : Naked Bible podcast and Drmsh.com.

You must love us a lot to watch this video. Trust me, what your pastor tells you we believe is not a fair or "in-depth" treatment of what we believe. But I love you too, brother.

@@chrissessions6108 How can you make that statement? Do you know my pastor and what he teaches? Or is Mormonism secretive, keeping its teachings only for those on the inside?

Has God already predestined some to go to Hell and others to go to Heaven? Was this based on our faithfulness and belief in Christ, or from the beginning had God already chosen everyone's outcome?

Where is the proof that laminites even existed or some people refered to as the nephites

The history may say that, however that is not how we practice our beliefs and live our religion... i mean nowhere in scripture is skin color used anywhere besides symbolism "skin of blackness" as a means of expression of fallen and sinful..

God as a man sounds odd ..til you realize Jesus was a man, who was also divine. His Father is just the same. "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. "

​@@lemjwp1756wrong

Dr White debates hard core Muslims and they respect him

Have you seen this clip of Calvinists throwing trash at LDS missionaries from back of a pickup truck? Sad someone thought it funny to video and put on the internet. Too bad will only drive others to Christs and his church! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html

to: @@weeklyhoss256 re: The Kwaku Kid YOU SAID, Have you seen this clip of Calvinists throwing trash at LDS missionaries from back of a pickup truck? ABEL The sad truth is that you did not have to use subterfuge to get me to watch the short documentary on The Kwaku Kid. What's worse... What's more ironic ... (1) The Kwaku Kid's many faults (2) Your deceit to get me to watch the video? . FYI ... My replies are scattered through a few of these video, if it were possible for you to inspect them all you will find that I said that I am not a fan. Nevertheless, I do give credit where credit is due. The Kwaku Kid has extraordinary talents. and for that matter, so do you. Thank you for the information. In the future, don't be afraid to be honest with me. I am always willing to listen to others. Now, Just because I said that~ don't send me a link to all of your favorite videos ~ we all have limits. . SALUTATIONS . “There are all kinds of courage," said Dumbledore, smiling. "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends.” ― Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone . You’ve been potterized, by Harry Abel Potter, … a very able potter. . Expecto Patronum! ================ * * * MERRY CHRISTMAS !!! .

To: @@weeklyhoss256 Re: the vulgarity of "The Dehlin" source: John Dehlin: The Reluctant Atheist ~ A Life of Subterfuge and Deceit. ~ A lifetime of deceit = a lifetime of lies. . The question is ~ are you going to follow in the foot steps of The Dehlin and live a life of subterfuge, deceit, and lies. . So, way back in June of 2016, the "Infants on Thrones" podcast interviewed John Dehlin and felt the content of the interview was such that it could properly be titled "John Dehlin: The Reluctant Atheist" (and not even "John Dehlin: The Reluctant Atheist?") note: The difference between the two is the question mark ~ meaning, of course, that there is no question that Dehlin is an atheist, which he hid, as an active member of the Church, for his entire adult life. . I made a man-made transcription of that audio and here it is ~ It is a glaring example of The Dehlin's vulgarity and deceit. . John Dehlin said: ---------- I don’t think that I will ever identify as atheist or agnostic. While I have tons of respect for those who do (tis not an easy life.) Here’s my reasoning. If religion is made up / man-made … then it doesn’t deserve a portion of my identity. After all, I don’t self identify in reference to Hobbits or Elves or Trolls so why self-identify in terms of religious non-belief. How about truth-seeker is an identity? Your favorite way to self-identify? ---------- [Mormonism] It’s so fictitious. … screw all that … f*ck all that. ---------- I guess the next step is whether I even think of myself as a Christian, which I don’t, because, I don’t buy into the divine nature of Jesus anymore, and so then it just goes to God, and, I don’t know; it’s all just crazy and stupid. I think, really. ---------- Abel So, there you have it. In addition, the story of The Dehlin's mission is recorded on Mormon Stories #001. The historical record shows that Dehlin lost his way somewhere between his mission and his work on the Opencourse website for M.I.T. I.O.W., in other words, The Dehlin lost his religion and lived his entire life as a Cultural Mormon ~ deceiving and lying to his neighbors, family, and friends. He was a N.O.M. which is an ex-mo term for a name-only member. And amazingly he loved his life in the Church. He has been quoting saying that his wish is that his family could live in the Church ~ because his life as a member was awesome ~ and he would want his family to experience the same joy he did. What does this picture teach us? The Dehlin was trying to change the Church from within the Church. I could be wrong, but it looks like, it seems like, it is not too difficult to believe, it is not a huge jump in logic, but it is the natural conclusion that The Dehlin's goal is to change the Church from a religion to a "culture."+ And here's the point. To achieve his goal of change or metamorphosis from within ~ The Dehlin was willing to use subterfuge, deceit, and lies. And yes, The Dehlin knows how to swear like The Kwaku Kid ~ we all do. So ... throw the first stone ... but please ... I beg you ... do not become a clone of The Dehlin ... do not live a lifetime of subterfuge, deceit, and lies. . Now, I am sorry that this reply came a little later than the first. I I take copious notes and I remembered these quotes and I wanted to share them with you. . SALUTATIONS . Sirius Black said, "We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are." Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix . You’ve been potterized, by Harry Abel Potter, … a very able potter. . Expecto Patronum! ================ * * * MERRY CHRISTMAS !!! .

Cardon, Invite this Harry Potter dude on your show before I get him on mine. -Hoss

@@weeklyhoss256 were they wearing a big C on their chest : mormons will believe anything!

I totally get how "becoming like God" may sound pridefull and arrogant to many, but I also think that, at least to some degree, it also depends how someone looks at it. When the diciples of Christ argued over who would be the the greatest amongst them, Christ himself made clear that whosoever wants to be the greatest, shall be the servent of others. Not just did Christ himself, being God, set the perfect example of being a servent to mankind, but he also invited us to follow him, to become joint heirs with him, sitting together with him on his throne, calling us his children and sons, inviting us to become one with him, even as he and the father are one, passing on to us the glory that God, the Father bestowed upon him. So in light of all these thinge being said within the Bible, I feel that at least it gives a different touch to the idea of becoming like God. The Bible makes clear that God also stands for light, truth and love. And Paul made clear that without the pure love of God, Charity, all we are and do, actually means nothing... So in a certain way, could that not also mean that for us to not become like God, meaning to become perfected through Christ in love, truth and serive towards others, all we are and do also means nothing? I mean, isnt Gods creation somehow also filled with so much symbolism? For example, us being in a world where we actually can be both, son and father, daughter and mother? Why then also not being children of God, and God? I get the idea that God may be so much beyond who and what we are, that we may never be able to reach his level of perfection? But, if God is all powerfull, would it not even be possible to him to prepare ways, so that we could become like him? Would that view not limit God being all powerful? Certainly I can't talk for everyone, and I dont claim to know everything about this topic, but to me, being a Father myselfe, I could totally relate to a Heavenly Father wanting the very best for each on of us, esepecially in light of what excactly that would actually mean, in light of the scriptures (To be filled with truth, love and selfless service towards others).

Seems like the OP doesn't really understand the members of the church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints are in fact Christians "we talk of Christ, preach or Christ, rejoice in Christ and his sacrifice that our family and our children may know whom to look for and seek out for a remission of their sins. I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. I have no ill will towards the beliefs of others. As a Christian and as a person who is simply trying to be better than i was the day before, i believe in worshipping Almighty God, according to the dictates of my conscience, and afford others the right to worship how where and what they may. My believe is live, let live, don't hurt me or whomever I love and care about or consider friends, and we won't have issues. However should an issue arise, I'm down to rap it out civil and peaceably as possible.

Sproul is unfortunately (for us) glorifying God right now, but I agree with you. Also, hello David.

@@BrendonKing i got kicked off of Saints unscripted: see how long i can irritate these idiots ! Haha! Yes, Kwaku always has a way a distorting the truth : O just taking after the mormon false prophets ! But since this is an attack video: i don't feel bad defending the Christian faith against this counterfeit church !

@@davidjanbaz7728 you know, you got kicked off for harassment

@@Nerukenshi1233 you know you were harassing me too : so its still double standard But you can continue to lie ,that's not a problem for mormons: just following JS lies. What religion are you switching to next?

You obviously don't know anything about the various views of predestination and free will and how they work together. Have you ever heard of Molinism? William Lane Craig Phd talks about this view on his videos on ReasonableFaithOrg. Educate yourself, before making foolish statements like these guys are doing!

TO: @@davidjanbaz7728 RE: TM (trade mark)Christianity TM Tradition Majority Christianity I agree with everything you said. Thank you for your comment. Here's my problem. . My mission was the Netherlands, Amsterdam. The only molen I know about is the windmolen = a windmill. Therefore because of the overwhelming dominance of the Dutch in philosophy and theology, I suspect that molen is another contender attempting to explain how God accomplishes the salvation of mankind. The windmolen metamorphoses energy into energy. At the moment, the best technology can provide 25-35% of man’s needs. quote ” The Good News: We Don't Need Dirty Energy A combination of conservation, efficiency, wind and solar can meet 100% of our energy needs. It’s technically and economically possible to do this and it can probably be done within 20 years. According to a January 2006 analysis by the Department of Energy’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), the entire U.S. electricity demand could technically be met by renewable energy resources by 2020 and longer term, the potential of domestic renewable resources is huge - more than 85 times current U.S. energy use. Solar alone can provide 55 times our current energy use. Wind can provide 6 times our current energy use.9 Brown, Elizabeth, “Near-Term Practical and Ultimate Technical Potential for Renewable Resources,” Draft, NREL, January 2006, p.4.www.energyjustice.net/solutions/NREL_Renew.pdf In retrospect, at first sighting of the mystical majestic molen, standing against the sky border of the North Sea, I instantly knew that man could hold the sea in his hand and all the needs of mankind could be met by the song of the blades of the turbine. . Not what you are talking about ??? oh well. Maybe you could answer a few questions for me then. And if you don’t mind, please be kind, (KISS) remember, I did not get my Masters or my Doctorate in philosophy, Philosophy with an emphasis on religion was just my minor from my undergraduate. LOL . quote “ “Does Molinism imply that what people would do in certain circumstances determines what God ordains? Does that imply that something outside of God determines what God ordains?” . Professor Krzyszwojciech said, “In any reality, the local You would be a direct cause of any choice, but not the ultimate cause of it [which is God's initial choice]. It's equivalent to determinism, under which You [the emergent mind and brain] are a local, direct cause of a choice, but not the ultimate one [your choice reduces to underlying physical structures, processes and historical events]. In neither case you're free from those ultimate causes. And if you mean freedom only in the sense of the ability to go through the process of choice-making, we obviously all do it and can, through introspection, agree on the existence of that process. It's not the existence of choice-making that's an issue here, but its nature. If God's choice about which world to create is based on the individual human natures - we didn't create those natures for ourselves either. It also implies that our natures are fully 'predictable' [God knows how we would react exactly under any circumstances], so then our natures must be deterministic as well. Predetermined natures + predetermined circumstances. Nothing here makes you ultimately free or ultimately morally responsible. Even if God's choice which world to create is based on some necessity of serving his purposes best, it has no bearing on the fact that you had no say in it, ultimately. It was all chosen for you, including your ultimate fate, salvation or damnation. Which means people are objectified to play out tragic roles and many of them to play evil roles through no ultimate choice of their own and then they will be punished for that terrible 'service'.“ . Amazing. Of all possible worlds … This is the world God chose. I am impressed to take notice of the fact that speculation about what God coulda, woulda, shoulda done is illustrated by this world and This Is The Show. One might well ask, in the frustration that sometimes accompanies life ~ This is God’s greatest possible world? and they do, ask, as they sink into the bottom of the abyss. One great man even asked ~ Why hast thou forsaken me? . So... what have we learned? According to you ~ You are sooo smart and I am so dumb. LOL As a professional educator, are you saying that you believe that calling me out for my weaknesses is the best way to carry on a civilized conversation? Sirius Black said, “If you want to know what a man's like, take a good look at how he treats his inferiors, not his equals.” HP and the Goblet of Fire . On a personal note: I have the same objections against Molinism as I have against all the man-made denomination of TM (trade-mark) Traditional Majority Christianity. Pardon me. Molinism is a man-made construct. The question for me is always ~ the man-made philosophies of men versus the revelations of God. Hence, I am so fortunate to have found. re: … The Church of J E S U S C H R I S T of Latter-day-Saints . Salutations . Sirius Black said, "We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are." HP and the Order of the Phoenix . You’ve been potterized, by Harry Abel Potter, … a very able potter. . Expecto Patronum! ================ * * * . So... What faith tradition do you follow? OR ... Are you an atheist? . peace

@@harryabelpotter9630 Glad you have no clue as to what Molinism is: so easy to find on KZfaq. At ReasonableFaithOrg You're diatribe of mormon ignorance was fantastic! But i stopped reading after only a couple of paragraphs: so didn't get you're full monty of mormon fantasy! YOU ARE A FIRST RATE MORMON APOLOGIST! So succinct and to the point! You make Kwaku look like an amateur! LoL You're middle name is Richard obviously!

To: @@davidjanbaz7728 You need Jesus !

Who was Jesus Christ?

@@EricLovesCHRISTyou mean you don't know?

In your opinion, who do you think Jesus was?

You cut off the scripture without reading the next verse. It goes on to say there is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. That is three. Through modern revelation, we know the third degree is called Telestial.

Calvinists also fight with Lutherans Calvinist Baptists also fight with other Baptists. Calvinist anti-cult ideals have a "double" hatred for the Latter-day Saints.

@@harryabelpotter9630 I think you confuse debate and reasoning with hatred. Calvinists, although they may not agree with certain doctrinal points with other denominations, still claim brotherhood. Calvinists will not claim brotherhood with Mormonism.

To: @@BrendonKing Re: no communal fellowship YOU SAID I think you confuse debate and reasoning with hatred. ABEL Ya ... I did use those words rather loosely ~ didn't I. Nevertheless, I made my point ~ all is not well in the evangelical world. . YOU SAID Calvinists, although they may not agree with certain doctrinal points with other denominations, still claim brotherhood. ABEL For the most part, yes, but there is an uneasy truce and a continuous polemic between the parties. Fellowship has never ceased to be debated and periodically the peace is routinely questioned by vote. . YOU SAID Calvinists will not claim brotherhood with Mormonism. ABEL Since we are concentrating on not confusing terms, today, let me bring the following to your attention. re: … The Church of J E S U S C H R I S T of Latter-day-Saints . Please Do Not Call Us Mormons Anymore. (Notice that I said please... ) You may have missed the press release or perhaps for one of many other possible reasons you may not have yet decided to respect this request. Nevertheless, if you haven't heard, we are asking all honest, descent people to respect us in this request in as much as, among other reasons, Mormon is a nickname that is many times used with a derogatory connotation that our enemies and critics use against us. Therefore, I am personally & respectfully requesting … Please do not call us Mormons anymore. You can call us: ~ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ~ The Church of Jesus Christ ~ The Church . Also, Please do not call us LDS for similar reasons. You can call us: ~ Latter-day Saints ~ Saints, or ~ Christians . But, please … I am humbly & respectfully requesting Do not call us LDS anymore, and, Do not call us Mormons anymore. . Thank you . ABEL Now, what were you saying ... something about Calvinists not claiming brotherhood with the Saints of God. My point exactly. I come from a Lutheran background. The LCMS does not have sacramental fellowship with the ELCA, the two main branches of Lutheranism. And the Lutherans do not have sacramental brotherhood with the Calvinist. Our favorite thing to do was get into a fight (excuse me ~ debate) with the Calvinist and bash them to death (excuse me ~ I meant to say ~ use their own scriptural references to convincingly win the debate.) My major point was to show that there is way more exclusive behavior and finger pointing between evangelical denominations than people are normally aware of. Yes, the Saints of God are attacked and criticized too. My observation has been that's this type of "exclusive" behavior is typical among the TM traditional majority Christian denominations. In the case of double hatred, I did worry about using the term, but I convinced myself that everyone would understand that it was a play on words in relation to "double predestination" which I personally find to be one of the most dark, evil, and hateful ideals that came from the mind of a man. I find your words of, and I quote " "may not agree" to be a white washing or a cloaking of the exclusive ~ reclusive ~ real animosity that exits between the evangelical community. My experience has been to see more denominations break from each other the moment they stand up for something they believe. The denominations that come together don't seem to stand for anything and ~ or they now align with traditional competitors. Of course, that's not a scientific examination, but rather just from my the very little bit that I know about the subject. Do you see the same thing? Do you see religion growing? Do you see secularism taking over? If there is anything that you would like to comment or correct me about ~ I am always willing to listen. peace.

@@harryabelpotter9630 you're so triggered dude! You must be a young mormon . O did i use that 6 letter word for a member of a counterfeit church. You're right i will now call it the counterfeit church of Joesph Smith of Latter-Day Saints! Which was changed from the church of Christ in D&C section 20. Maybe you should change your church name to the church of the Lamb of God the true church! 1 Nephi 14:10.

Arminians would reject Mormonism as Christian also!

Statement from church in 1978: “The Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else,” the statement read. “Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form.” Blacks have been a part of the church from it's earliest days. Joseph Smith himself ordained the Priesthood on a black man. The ban started around 1856 from Brigham Young and the reasons are unclear as to why. However, other than the Priesthood ban back in the day, blacks have always been welcomed in the LDS church. Many other churches in the US. practiced separating races, and their reasons were more rooted in racism. I don't see you calling them out though.

Where'd you get that statistic? That's incorrect.

@@JacobWHill 30

He's a Sunday School teacher, bro. He knows the Bible pretty well. And on average members of the Church of Jesus Christ scored significantly higher on tests concerning knowledge of the Bible. So compared to us, yeah, the average Calvinist doesn't read enough

Calvinism is made up of hollow, man-made doctrines and has nothing more to offer than any other run of the mill Protestant theology. I have no more reason to believe your interpretation of the Bible than the Lutherans, or the Presbyterians, or the Baptists, or the Seventh-Day Adventists, or any other denomination. You’re arguments are all equally valid and invalid. At least the Catholic Church can claim authority on their interpretation of scripture. But Latter-Day Saints are the only church who’s understanding and interpretation of the Bible is reinforced by additional scripture. I’ve studied the Book of Mormon for myself and I know that it is true and in perfect harmony with the Bible. And any argument that I have found used to discredit the Book of Mormon is employed in equal measure and ferocity by atheists against the Bible and yet your faith is unshaken, as will ours be with the Book of Mormon in addition to the Bible. I know it is the word of God. So with all due respect, we’ll take our chances. But having been a student of the scriptures for a long time and having a personal relationship with God myself, I know that I have nothing to worry about and your concern is misplaced.

This is probably you lol: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html

@@weeklyhoss256 love his support of another cult : that just supports you're commonality with the JW'S: but so much backlash from his mormon buddies!