Calvinism in a nutshell. God sent his son to die for a sin that God ordained to happen and then punishes people for sins that he designed for them to do and then punishes them in eternal fire for a sin that they had no control over that God ordained them to do just to bring glory to himself.
@ericwolford5685 Жыл бұрын
When really thinking that over, God's plan according to Calvinists is worse than Satan's plan in the Grand Council of Heaven. Both take away agency, but at least the latter would have guaranteed Salvation! It makes me really consider that Calvinism (not Reformed Christians per se) is the fruit of Satan's pettiness. Upset that he didn't get his way, he now tricks believers into believing in a God who robbed their agency and punishes people for His own glory.
@Latterdaylamont Жыл бұрын
As a former Calvinist who joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Kwaku is very correct with what he's saying
@brianwhitney3 жыл бұрын
When I was a teenager, I accepted Christ and became a "born again" Christian. I did the whole altar call, sinners prayer, everything. The "non-denominational" Bible church I attended preached the rapture and end times...and they HATED Mormons. The pastor spent a lot of time bashing Mormons, and this was in a town near Seattle, not exactly the mecca of Mormonism. I got super into the Christian punk/metal scene (still love that music, actually) and I have several Christian-themed tattoos (including a cross). But I have been a Latter-day Saint since I was 23. I'm actually glad that I have that background, even if I no longer agree with Reformed theology.
@dukemysterion62393 жыл бұрын
i also used to be reformed as well. I am now a latter-day saint. I love to hear from others who have had the same conversion.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Hate isn't it : it's called defending the faith: like mormons don't do this against Christianity! You're double standard is ignorant!
@chrissessions61083 жыл бұрын
@@davidjanbaz7728 ah, but Mormons are Christians. Brian, you are an inspiration, brother.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@chrissessions6108 only says mormons !??? But with 3gods one only in purpose; 4 counting heavenly mother and a second Spirit of Christ. You're godhead of three is really five: no where near Christian.
@kassidyj973 жыл бұрын
@@davidjanbaz7728 when we say "hate" we're not pulling it out of our backsides here... calvanists preach hatred against our Church. They call us a cult, we preach heresy, they have mission trips to "convert the mormons." Compare that to our preaching. In the Articles of Faith we preach that all people have the right to worship in their own way. We do not call other religious denominations cults, and we don't seek to convert them. We merely preach what we believe.
@j.a.f80623 жыл бұрын
I'm Dutch and raised in the Calvinist tradition don't take it personally its just we pride ourselves on being the most cynical and having the most damming view of humanity out of all the Christian denominations and it clashes with your latter-day optimism I personally like Mormons I find your optimism a refreshing change of pace and I appreciate your kindness and agree with many of your value's. Don't take it personally we believe in total depravity so we kind of assume the worse in people as a result of said doctrine. though Jesus says we judge a tree by its fruit and your churches' fruit seems good to me. and don't worry no matter how much we seem to dislike you we will never hate you as much as the Catholic papist swine.
@sarahmuirhead42333 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but kwaku is literally spot on-I had a Calvinist boyfriend in high school and he was the guy skipping class to smoke and I was the pure mormon girl who went to church and youth activities every week😂and we broke up because I believed I could become like God and he watched jeff durbins youtube videos in his spare time lol
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Right ! You'll get Brownie points for that!
@Nerukenshi12333 жыл бұрын
@@davidjanbaz7728 glad to see you're still trolling/don't know how to type.
@andreacaruso26973 жыл бұрын
Loved Kwaku's Greatest Showman comment! Just imagine Joseph Smith standing in front of everyone singing "it's anything you ever want, it's everything you ever need, and it's here right in front of you, this where you wanna be!" THIS TOTALLY DESCRIBES OUR CHURCH! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@cabarete20033 жыл бұрын
During a recent convo with a Calvinist...I could tell that the fact that JS stated that God said not to join any other church...just infuriate him.
@bodyer2120 Жыл бұрын
The reason the Church is hated by Calvinists is because of envy. Their churches are shallow which can be summed up by, 'believe and you"re saved' and works are not necessary. They see the Church as expansive, unified in doctrine and much more to it. Furthermore, they are obviously more susceptible to the whisperings of the adversary.
@andreatimmers1720 Жыл бұрын
No
@bodyer2120 Жыл бұрын
@@andreatimmers1720 no? Tell me why then.
@humanbeing53963 жыл бұрын
Because they were predetermined to do so. They were made that way.
@JacobWHill3 жыл бұрын
No, actually, they use their god-given free-will to hate and destroy instead of build and love.
@humanbeing53963 жыл бұрын
@@JacobWHill I agree but this was in reference to the Calvinist belief of pre-determination. Calvinists don’t believe in free will.
@UtahKent10 ай бұрын
Michael Servetes was a long-time friend of John Calvin, until he differed on a theological point... so Calvin had him burned at the stake.
@robbiefrantz81703 жыл бұрын
There is a very BIG commonality between Calvinism and Islam. Hard predestination or predetermination. Belief in the reality that everything has already been written down by God (Allah) is a cardinal doctrine in Islam. In Islam, it is called "Qadar," an Arabic word that loosely translates to Fate. I am neither a Mormon or a Calvinist, but I love to see you guys fight back against them, because Durbin is oh, so arrogant and he is begging to be stood up to. I love when you all do just that.
@weeklyhoss2563 жыл бұрын
Top 10 Durbin FAILS: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Clueless: nothing similar see Acts17apologetics and DCCI ministries ! You're prophet is just a big brother to JS and both are fake!
@help4343Ай бұрын
Isn't Islam work based though?
@kolbybrown77223 жыл бұрын
How can Calvinists say God controls everything, even our choices, and then say you're saved not because of your works. They're not YOUR works if God is controlling you, right? (Contradictions) they're God's works? You can't do works with Calvinisim. It's all God's works according to their logic.
@kassidyj973 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!!!!!!
@help4343Ай бұрын
They say that you are not saved because God didn't choose you to be saved.
@DesertPrimrose Жыл бұрын
When I was in high school there were not many LDS kids, and I was friends with a lot of Calvinists. I attended the youth group. They hated LDS theology, but always were kind to me.
@Herosoulstone3 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan, but making fun of people is not Christ like
@Herosoulstone3 жыл бұрын
But you guys always try to go back to respect in your videos and try to be mindful. So thankyou for that.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@Herosoulstone so saying terrible things is ok if they then say o we really didn't mean them ????
@Herosoulstone3 жыл бұрын
@@davidjanbaz7728 I don't think that's what they are doing.
@dcarts5616 Жыл бұрын
@@davidjanbaz7728you seem to be at peace and very humble. What do you believe in that makes you this way?
@elizabethwutzke90402 жыл бұрын
Could be because we think we can change and some don't think they have to
@dcarts5616 Жыл бұрын
I love this comment. Turning from sin and toward Jesus is the whole point of our doctrine. We can change, we believe that we MUST change.
@DovahkiinScythe4 ай бұрын
I wish Kwaku would bring back his old channel. I loved him
@joriogrady60643 жыл бұрын
i disagree with all calvinists or a lot are tatted or ex alcoholics ect i definitely think that their theology and churches appeals to those types. but i paint calvinists as super studied academic individuals. they value bible school degrees and often plainly have superiority complexes because of their theology. they definitely believe in that super narrow gate idea yet have no idea what heaven looks like. but they believe so many people are destined for hell and preach about hell so much that they’re just so glad they’re predestined for heaven. a big part of reformation beliefs and evangelism is calling out what they think is false gospels. i’d also like to add as someone who went to a calvinist leaning church, their churches do not have the community we have. and absolutely no hate but it has weird vibes. i guess i could say it’s very cliquey? but that doesn’t fit. i guess the best word is isolating and secular. it’s extremely common for the kids to be homeschooled. it’s read your bible and have the theology, have faith. grace only saves us. so good luck.
@joriogrady60643 жыл бұрын
edit: a lot of modern day calvinists are converts from another branch of christianity or atheism/agnosticism. a lot of mormons are born into the faith. our families are strong.
@weeklyhoss2563 жыл бұрын
Always better to be born into a religion if you want to teach the kids. LDS has 70% higher youth retention numbers while other religions are dwindling. NBC Today Show story: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Funny ex- mormons say the same things about you're church!
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@weeklyhoss256 You're 1% of total . We could loose 80% and still be larger than you! Statics are easily manipulated especially by NBC and you!
@timothyfloogle Жыл бұрын
Statistics can be maniulated, and figures can distorted to fit a narrative.
@Liberty-LLama Жыл бұрын
You're all right. It's historical, societal and scriptural.
@wildricky403 жыл бұрын
again Y'all made this ole boy feel good and learned some'n thanks
@rconger24 Жыл бұрын
"You've got to be taught, before it's too late, before you are six, Or seven or eight: *To hate all the people your relatives hate* . You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be carefully taught." Oscar Hammerstein II - South Pacific
@DB_Golfer11 ай бұрын
David Alexander has an amazing video on this, i know this is super late but still 😁
@aspencrest3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like maybe you guys should just get a calvinist on to answer your questions instead of groping around in the dark
@Hamann96313 жыл бұрын
aspencrest. I don't think they are groping around in the dark. They have spoken with Calvinists. They have done some reading, too.
@ryanclark39672 жыл бұрын
They have spoken to many and Kwaku has debated some too.
@robbiefrantz81703 жыл бұрын
Kwaku, Lutherans are not Calvinist and Germany is not and hasn't been a hotbed of Calvinism. Some Baptists, only some, may be. John (Jean) Calvin was French, but parked himself in Geneva, Switzerland, a French speaking city. The churches most associated with Calvinism are the Reformed Churches and also Presbyterianism (though, not totally). Lastly Kwaku, though you are quite skilled, try to do a bit more homework and not just WING IT in debate.
@tylerhinds30463 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I am heavily Germanic and found that remark fairly ignorant. I otherwise like Kwaku.
@weeklyhoss2563 жыл бұрын
Best 3:00 min Jean Calvin vid on youtube right here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@weeklyhoss256 calvin could be Brigham Young's twin !
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@tylerhinds3046 his sarcastic comments just cover up his half- truths, but the two others on these videos are just as snarky! The Midnight or PB Afterdark mormons !
@salemthorup953610 ай бұрын
Yeah. They don't think he is our literal father of our spirits. Which to me makes their god alien and profoundly egotistical. We're just his crafts project made so he can be sang to and praise eternally.
@SimonDaumMusic Жыл бұрын
I wonder. Would a Calvenist watch the news and see a report about a dude living in the wilderness with his 10 kids, where he would randomly select five of them to suffer pain, punishment and eternal torture just because it makes himself feel better about himself (or just for the ride), and choose the other five to enjoy life and live happily without end, would they not think to themselve that this really must be a evil person? And so, what makes God so different that him acting this way feels so good and right? Because God is so much above our understanding that we just dont get it? Or is it the only way to believe in a God that makes someone feel good and right about believing that all Mormons, or people of other faith, go to endless hell? I mean, in the old testament we see that the Whore Rahab was saved by her faith. Paul clearly taught that faith, hope and charity are what matters the very most, but yes, above all, it is charity that matters. So, if even a Whore can be saved by faith, would it not also be possible for a Mormon to be saved by Charity? Paul made clear that even if we have the faith to move mountains and have all the wonders and miracles of a believing Christian, but have not Charity, it means nothing. And so I wonder, what if people have nothing of all these christian experiences, but do have charity, what does it make our of them? Well, in my view, it makes them Christlike.. Its kind of how I experienced on my mission, where many of the Atheist were the most Christlike people, without them knowing it, and some of the Christians were some of the most rude and un-Christlike people.. Most of all I think no one of us gets it all perfectly right, otherwise we would already be Gods.. And so, we are not just all in need of repentance, but also do everyone a great favour to be humble enough to admidt that in the end it will be God, who judges, and that what matters the most to our own judgment may actually be how we do judge others, and here I asume Charity comes in.. or at least the fruits of the Spirit, which are patience, long suffering, kindness and so forth... Thanks for the great video :)
@garrymoss802113 күн бұрын
I worked for Trinity Broadcasting for almost 30 years where I worked around all different kinds of Christians, and I learned something about Calvinists. Nobody likes them.
@kp65533 жыл бұрын
Calvinist theology asserts that God hates his children and wants them to be mindless robots. Nothing could be further from the truth.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Not really, but Molinism is a better way of seeing how predestination and free will work together without making us robots or changing God's devine plan for the Ages!
@zobewan93479 ай бұрын
CZ we kicked their butts in the “Great Debate”?
@tylerhinds30463 жыл бұрын
The German comment was weird. Most Calvinists are Baptists and Presbyterians, and that correlates more with Scots-Irish ancestry. It’s ironic that he mentioned Swedes considering they are heavily Lutheran and didn’t intermix with Calvinists in any significant way.
@UtahKent10 ай бұрын
Calvinists main theology premise is the absolute sovereignty of God, there fore, the Calvinist gets to blame God for everything, literally EVERYTHING! The god of Calvinism is the ultimate narcissist; Everything is about and for him. Think about the great council in heaven when the Father's plan was presented. Who was it that wanted to have so much power he would force all to obey and return to the presence of The Father and who would get the glory for it? That is the Calvinist god, utterly supreme in power and control, all deserving of absolute obedience.
@williamturner61923 жыл бұрын
"like, share, and subscribe - Which is how we say goodbye now" In person too I bet, sinsce people actually say "lol" out loud.
@aspencrest3 жыл бұрын
Kwayku seems really concerned about what people look like
@weeklyhoss2563 жыл бұрын
Not true, Kwaku's testimony on outer appearances here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@weeklyhoss256 he joined to turn white and delightsome! As per ( Brigham Young's quote in JoD vol ,14,p.86) of God's curse on darker skin people! When he turns white then i will know your church is true!
@aspencrest3 жыл бұрын
@@weeklyhoss256 ha. Good one.
@bbqbros364810 ай бұрын
Calvinists are zoramites
@colenedrow27926 ай бұрын
Exactly right
@gordonmacdonald48283 жыл бұрын
Kwaku, would you be open to speaking at a youth conference in Washington State, August 12-14, 2021?
@tyronesmith96782 жыл бұрын
Ohh will he get to slander someone or commit defamation of character again?
@GwPoKo Жыл бұрын
I'll do it
@brianwhitney3 жыл бұрын
John Calvin: builds a mob an army Kwaku: what do we have? A rock in a hat Danites and Nauvoo Legion: what are we? Chopped liver?
@Nerukenshi12333 жыл бұрын
Danites were loose cannons with little actual direction from JSJr. Nauvoo legion was just Church members on state paystubs
@thenowchurch64193 жыл бұрын
Kwaku always has selective memory on such things. LOL
@harryabelpotter96303 жыл бұрын
MTV did corrupt our culture. ... duh, duh, duh, duh, duh
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
No, JS and BY did !
@juniorsoda3 ай бұрын
Hate is not the right word, fellas. We love you guys and want you to know the one true eternal and holy triune God. We do not hate you. We love you and want to tell you the truth because Joseph Smith lied to you.
@cabarete20033 жыл бұрын
Fear that our message takes from their congregations and their revenues.
@oldmovieman75502 жыл бұрын
Calvinists do not hate mormons. We love mormons and we want them to come to saving faith in the true Christ. We hate the mormon cult which has lead so many down the path to destruction.
@jasonhardman17703 ай бұрын
Just read some on Calvin. He seems a lot like Nehor mixed with the Zoramites and the ramiumptum.
@dane_with_swag3 жыл бұрын
I quite agree that a big factor can be fear. If you're right and "the chosen one", the others have to be wrong. Since calvinism is so opposite the teaching of agency, you can't afford to be wrong. So when they go out and try to trash talk other denominations or religions, it's not so much to prove them wrong but to confirm to themselves that they're right... If you think about it, according to their theology, they don't even need to scream repentance since they can't MAKE you a chosen (and they can't decide to be one either). So it's not for your sake they do it, their "chosen ones" would come automatically anyway... It's for their own sake. They can't afford to have even the slightest doubt, and that also means that they need to attack other faiths to glorify their own. Not that fear is the only factor, but it's very likely a big one because of how extreme some of them react to other faiths and especially to criticism.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Fear God :not man, especially mormons!
@andreafaldon50263 жыл бұрын
Any Victory Outreach churches have people in recovery are Calvinist.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Victory Outreach is to addicted people! They will take anyone !
@packman5798 ай бұрын
How close do you think we are to the Second Coming?
@brandtmunden48693 жыл бұрын
Watch out! Almost to 500 subscribers!! Wooooo loooordy!!
@theouterplanet3 жыл бұрын
Jeff doesn’t hate you guys. He loves you as brothers. He may disagree with your theology. But when you throw around the hate word a lot- that’s judging someone else’s heart.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Seems the restored Gospel makes people hateful!
@99SigP Жыл бұрын
@@davidjanbaz7728 That's quite the stretch. Being LDS, I've met other Christians that were kind and respectful to me for my beliefs and others that were extremely hostile and dare I say, "hateful". We're all just people and everyone is different. The restored Gospel doesn't promote or teach hate.
@Liberty-LLama2 жыл бұрын
@Midnight Mormons, have you heard that Apologia has set up a seed church here in Utah now?
@jerryhenson4395 Жыл бұрын
I've studied Calvin's life fairly deeply, I don't remember him sending armies to punish people. The closest thing I could think of was the Servetus situation, but the level of responsibility for what happened there is debated. Also, all the Catholics would have killed Servetus as well, as he denied the Trinity. By the way, didn't Joseph Smith order Porter Rockwell to kill the governor of Missouri.
@WARDRADIO Жыл бұрын
no. or else the governor would be dead.
@TheRegimentalscot Жыл бұрын
Try getting your information from first hand sources rather than those with an anti LDS Agenda...
@paulhutchings75273 жыл бұрын
Kwaku has been debated and shown to be lacking not only in Christianity itself but in his own mormon doctrine. He has now been shown to be such a joke that he has to go on KZfaq channels that have less than a thousand subscribers. Kwaku is a has been, discredited no one.
@lawrencestanley89893 жыл бұрын
Wrong. Calvinists don't hate Mormons, they love them, and the reason that Apologia has so many videos on Mormonism is because it is such a deceptive religion, and it needs to be delt with in deapth. Re: Your sit down with Jeff and James and how Mormonism was shown to be in error in so many ways. I would urge your audience to go look up that video.
@BrendonKing3 жыл бұрын
I’ve met Durbin in person. He’s actually a really laid back guy. He needs to visit Utah again.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@BrendonKing 👍and check out Dr.Michael Heiser videos on Naked Bible podcast!
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@BrendonKing they have a video against BYU professors leading mormons astray. Well one PHD in Biblical languages actually got an article from Dr. Michael Heiser into BYU professional journal critiquing Mormonism's view of the Council of God. Dr.Michael Heiser has good videos on the O.T. and mormons try to use his teachings and say he agrees with them; but really he doesn't! Let me know what you think : Naked Bible podcast and Drmsh.com.
@chrissessions61083 жыл бұрын
You must love us a lot to watch this video. Trust me, what your pastor tells you we believe is not a fair or "in-depth" treatment of what we believe. But I love you too, brother.
@lawrencestanley89893 жыл бұрын
@@chrissessions6108 How can you make that statement? Do you know my pastor and what he teaches? Or is Mormonism secretive, keeping its teachings only for those on the inside?
@mkprr3 жыл бұрын
First off yes, Calvanism has issues. Second, You are quoting the westminster confession (without body, parts, or passion) and claiming it is the Athanasian creed. It is not.
@richarner38567 күн бұрын
I don't hate you..I don't even dislike you 😊
@99SigP Жыл бұрын
Kwaku went to high school in AZ?
@brianwhitney3 жыл бұрын
Also, Lutherans are not Calvinists. Lutheranism is its own theology. Lutheranism predates Calvinism and does not teach predestination or absolute sovereignty.
@asaint11313 жыл бұрын
I am a Calvinist. These gentleman do not understand the doctrines taught in the reformed faith. All men and women are held accountable for their actions.
@swensonbailey2 жыл бұрын
Has God already predestined some to go to Hell and others to go to Heaven? Was this based on our faithfulness and belief in Christ, or from the beginning had God already chosen everyone's outcome?
@metreneter25453 жыл бұрын
Calvinst dont hate Mormons. Mormon theology on Salvation is Arminianist .
@gpig11623 жыл бұрын
Go hard guys
@derekziebarth85682 жыл бұрын
When did the Church allow black people to obtain the priesthood and when did the Church stop teaching
@derekziebarth85682 жыл бұрын
Where is the proof that laminites even existed or some people refered to as the nephites
@mormonismwiththemurph3 жыл бұрын
Ellis keeps interrupting kwaku lol
@StephenSmith-qc3xx Жыл бұрын
John mcarthur is calvinist
@Willsimm1986 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, there's a reason you don't see a lot of brothers and sisters at the LDS church. Mainly because the religion literally interprets their existence as sub-human.
@timothyfloogle Жыл бұрын
The history may say that, however that is not how we practice our beliefs and live our religion... i mean nowhere in scripture is skin color used anywhere besides symbolism "skin of blackness" as a means of expression of fallen and sinful..
@derekziebarth85682 жыл бұрын
Mormon Church is the Church that believes that they are able to become gods and that god was a man before he became God. Not to mention what have stated about black people
@lemjwp17562 жыл бұрын
God as a man sounds odd ..til you realize Jesus was a man, who was also divine. His Father is just the same. "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. "
@andreatimmers1720 Жыл бұрын
@@lemjwp1756wrong
@rexblackburn30942 жыл бұрын
I must be around the wrong Calvinists…?
@jacobdammarell27832 жыл бұрын
This guy reminds me of Elija from slightly offensive lol
@randycaswell3708 Жыл бұрын
Your whole premise is that Calvinist hate Mormons. Then you ask if Baptist are Calvinist? The Baptist are really failing at hating Mormons if you don’t know they are the Calvinist church that hate you. I watched for 16 minutes and you didn’t give one example of hate. Dr. James White doesn’t hate Mormons. If disagreeing with you on revelation of Scripture is hate then you guys have lost your mind. Brigham Young brought some hate when he ordered a Massacre on a wagon train. Dr. White doesn’t hate people he disagrees with. I watched the debate with Kwaku and Dr. White. I didn’t see any disrespect.
@andreatimmers1720 Жыл бұрын
Dr White debates hard core Muslims and they respect him
@legacy7563 жыл бұрын
I'm Latin and don't use the stupid Latin X woke crap. It's machista so what lol
@bryanrasmussen68402 жыл бұрын
This guy was in slc for a while... Maybe lives there... Got his ass kicked too
@harryabelpotter96303 жыл бұрын
Calvinists also fight with Lutherans Calvinist Baptists also fight with other Baptists. Calvinist anti-cult ideals have a "double" hatred for the Latter-day Saints.
@weeklyhoss2563 жыл бұрын
Have you seen this clip of Calvinists throwing trash at LDS missionaries from back of a pickup truck? Sad someone thought it funny to video and put on the internet. Too bad will only drive others to Christs and his church! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html
@harryabelpotter96303 жыл бұрын
to: @@weeklyhoss256 re: The Kwaku Kid YOU SAID, Have you seen this clip of Calvinists throwing trash at LDS missionaries from back of a pickup truck? ABEL The sad truth is that you did not have to use subterfuge to get me to watch the short documentary on The Kwaku Kid. What's worse... What's more ironic ... (1) The Kwaku Kid's many faults (2) Your deceit to get me to watch the video? . FYI ... My replies are scattered through a few of these video, if it were possible for you to inspect them all you will find that I said that I am not a fan. Nevertheless, I do give credit where credit is due. The Kwaku Kid has extraordinary talents. and for that matter, so do you. Thank you for the information. In the future, don't be afraid to be honest with me. I am always willing to listen to others. Now, Just because I said that~ don't send me a link to all of your favorite videos ~ we all have limits. . SALUTATIONS . “There are all kinds of courage," said Dumbledore, smiling. "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends.” ― Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone . You’ve been potterized, by Harry Abel Potter, … a very able potter. . Expecto Patronum! ================ * * * MERRY CHRISTMAS !!! .
@harryabelpotter96303 жыл бұрын
To: @@weeklyhoss256 Re: the vulgarity of "The Dehlin" source: John Dehlin: The Reluctant Atheist ~ A Life of Subterfuge and Deceit. ~ A lifetime of deceit = a lifetime of lies. . The question is ~ are you going to follow in the foot steps of The Dehlin and live a life of subterfuge, deceit, and lies. . So, way back in June of 2016, the "Infants on Thrones" podcast interviewed John Dehlin and felt the content of the interview was such that it could properly be titled "John Dehlin: The Reluctant Atheist" (and not even "John Dehlin: The Reluctant Atheist?") note: The difference between the two is the question mark ~ meaning, of course, that there is no question that Dehlin is an atheist, which he hid, as an active member of the Church, for his entire adult life. . I made a man-made transcription of that audio and here it is ~ It is a glaring example of The Dehlin's vulgarity and deceit. . John Dehlin said: ---------- I don’t think that I will ever identify as atheist or agnostic. While I have tons of respect for those who do (tis not an easy life.) Here’s my reasoning. If religion is made up / man-made … then it doesn’t deserve a portion of my identity. After all, I don’t self identify in reference to Hobbits or Elves or Trolls so why self-identify in terms of religious non-belief. How about truth-seeker is an identity? Your favorite way to self-identify? ---------- [Mormonism] It’s so fictitious. … screw all that … f*ck all that. ---------- I guess the next step is whether I even think of myself as a Christian, which I don’t, because, I don’t buy into the divine nature of Jesus anymore, and so then it just goes to God, and, I don’t know; it’s all just crazy and stupid. I think, really. ---------- Abel So, there you have it. In addition, the story of The Dehlin's mission is recorded on Mormon Stories #001. The historical record shows that Dehlin lost his way somewhere between his mission and his work on the Opencourse website for M.I.T. I.O.W., in other words, The Dehlin lost his religion and lived his entire life as a Cultural Mormon ~ deceiving and lying to his neighbors, family, and friends. He was a N.O.M. which is an ex-mo term for a name-only member. And amazingly he loved his life in the Church. He has been quoting saying that his wish is that his family could live in the Church ~ because his life as a member was awesome ~ and he would want his family to experience the same joy he did. What does this picture teach us? The Dehlin was trying to change the Church from within the Church. I could be wrong, but it looks like, it seems like, it is not too difficult to believe, it is not a huge jump in logic, but it is the natural conclusion that The Dehlin's goal is to change the Church from a religion to a "culture."+ And here's the point. To achieve his goal of change or metamorphosis from within ~ The Dehlin was willing to use subterfuge, deceit, and lies. And yes, The Dehlin knows how to swear like The Kwaku Kid ~ we all do. So ... throw the first stone ... but please ... I beg you ... do not become a clone of The Dehlin ... do not live a lifetime of subterfuge, deceit, and lies. . Now, I am sorry that this reply came a little later than the first. I I take copious notes and I remembered these quotes and I wanted to share them with you. . SALUTATIONS . Sirius Black said, "We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are." Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix . You’ve been potterized, by Harry Abel Potter, … a very able potter. . Expecto Patronum! ================ * * * MERRY CHRISTMAS !!! .
@weeklyhoss2563 жыл бұрын
Cardon, Invite this Harry Potter dude on your show before I get him on mine. -Hoss
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@weeklyhoss256 were they wearing a big C on their chest : mormons will believe anything!
@kien2787 Жыл бұрын
3 things: 1) Baptists are not innately Calvinist. There are plenty of Baptists who are not Calvinist (me being one). 2) I can say with certainty that our disagreements with Mormons stem from one idea:Men can become Gods. It has nothing to do with Baptists converting to Mormonism 200 years ago. No one is scared of losing christians out to Mormonism. You rarely hear of that happening. We're fighting for those who aren't saved yet. 3) It's a straw man to act like protestants only follow creeds. Protestants follow the Bible and if a creed agrees with it, then it is accepted, BUT IT IS NOT SCRIPTURE. If scripture and creed disagree, scripture always wins because it's infallible. Creeds are not. So please stop misrepresenting us.
@SimonDaumMusic Жыл бұрын
I totally get how "becoming like God" may sound pridefull and arrogant to many, but I also think that, at least to some degree, it also depends how someone looks at it. When the diciples of Christ argued over who would be the the greatest amongst them, Christ himself made clear that whosoever wants to be the greatest, shall be the servent of others. Not just did Christ himself, being God, set the perfect example of being a servent to mankind, but he also invited us to follow him, to become joint heirs with him, sitting together with him on his throne, calling us his children and sons, inviting us to become one with him, even as he and the father are one, passing on to us the glory that God, the Father bestowed upon him. So in light of all these thinge being said within the Bible, I feel that at least it gives a different touch to the idea of becoming like God. The Bible makes clear that God also stands for light, truth and love. And Paul made clear that without the pure love of God, Charity, all we are and do, actually means nothing... So in a certain way, could that not also mean that for us to not become like God, meaning to become perfected through Christ in love, truth and serive towards others, all we are and do also means nothing? I mean, isnt Gods creation somehow also filled with so much symbolism? For example, us being in a world where we actually can be both, son and father, daughter and mother? Why then also not being children of God, and God? I get the idea that God may be so much beyond who and what we are, that we may never be able to reach his level of perfection? But, if God is all powerfull, would it not even be possible to him to prepare ways, so that we could become like him? Would that view not limit God being all powerful? Certainly I can't talk for everyone, and I dont claim to know everything about this topic, but to me, being a Father myselfe, I could totally relate to a Heavenly Father wanting the very best for each on of us, esepecially in light of what excactly that would actually mean, in light of the scriptures (To be filled with truth, love and selfless service towards others).
@timothyfloogle Жыл бұрын
Seems like the OP doesn't really understand the members of the church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints are in fact Christians "we talk of Christ, preach or Christ, rejoice in Christ and his sacrifice that our family and our children may know whom to look for and seek out for a remission of their sins. I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. I have no ill will towards the beliefs of others. As a Christian and as a person who is simply trying to be better than i was the day before, i believe in worshipping Almighty God, according to the dictates of my conscience, and afford others the right to worship how where and what they may. My believe is live, let live, don't hurt me or whomever I love and care about or consider friends, and we won't have issues. However should an issue arise, I'm down to rap it out civil and peaceably as possible.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Total B.S. here its All doctrinal differences ! R.C..Sproul a prominent calvinist preacher: 0 tattoos ! Kwaku such a DA
@BrendonKing3 жыл бұрын
Sproul is unfortunately (for us) glorifying God right now, but I agree with you. Also, hello David.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@BrendonKing i got kicked off of Saints unscripted: see how long i can irritate these idiots ! Haha! Yes, Kwaku always has a way a distorting the truth : O just taking after the mormon false prophets ! But since this is an attack video: i don't feel bad defending the Christian faith against this counterfeit church !
@Nerukenshi12333 жыл бұрын
@@davidjanbaz7728 you know, you got kicked off for harassment
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@Nerukenshi1233 you know you were harassing me too : so its still double standard But you can continue to lie ,that's not a problem for mormons: just following JS lies. What religion are you switching to next?
@harryabelpotter96303 жыл бұрын
TM Christianity believes in predestination. Calvinists believe in "double" predestination. . [ TM = trade mark or traditional majority ]
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
You obviously don't know anything about the various views of predestination and free will and how they work together. Have you ever heard of Molinism? William Lane Craig Phd talks about this view on his videos on ReasonableFaithOrg. Educate yourself, before making foolish statements like these guys are doing!
@harryabelpotter96303 жыл бұрын
TO: @@davidjanbaz7728 RE: TM (trade mark)Christianity TM Tradition Majority Christianity I agree with everything you said. Thank you for your comment. Here's my problem. . My mission was the Netherlands, Amsterdam. The only molen I know about is the windmolen = a windmill. Therefore because of the overwhelming dominance of the Dutch in philosophy and theology, I suspect that molen is another contender attempting to explain how God accomplishes the salvation of mankind. The windmolen metamorphoses energy into energy. At the moment, the best technology can provide 25-35% of man’s needs. quote ” The Good News: We Don't Need Dirty Energy A combination of conservation, efficiency, wind and solar can meet 100% of our energy needs. It’s technically and economically possible to do this and it can probably be done within 20 years. According to a January 2006 analysis by the Department of Energy’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), the entire U.S. electricity demand could technically be met by renewable energy resources by 2020 and longer term, the potential of domestic renewable resources is huge - more than 85 times current U.S. energy use. Solar alone can provide 55 times our current energy use. Wind can provide 6 times our current energy use.9 Brown, Elizabeth, “Near-Term Practical and Ultimate Technical Potential for Renewable Resources,” Draft, NREL, January 2006, p.4.www.energyjustice.net/solutions/NREL_Renew.pdf In retrospect, at first sighting of the mystical majestic molen, standing against the sky border of the North Sea, I instantly knew that man could hold the sea in his hand and all the needs of mankind could be met by the song of the blades of the turbine. . Not what you are talking about ??? oh well. Maybe you could answer a few questions for me then. And if you don’t mind, please be kind, (KISS) remember, I did not get my Masters or my Doctorate in philosophy, Philosophy with an emphasis on religion was just my minor from my undergraduate. LOL . quote “ “Does Molinism imply that what people would do in certain circumstances determines what God ordains? Does that imply that something outside of God determines what God ordains?” . Professor Krzyszwojciech said, “In any reality, the local You would be a direct cause of any choice, but not the ultimate cause of it [which is God's initial choice]. It's equivalent to determinism, under which You [the emergent mind and brain] are a local, direct cause of a choice, but not the ultimate one [your choice reduces to underlying physical structures, processes and historical events]. In neither case you're free from those ultimate causes. And if you mean freedom only in the sense of the ability to go through the process of choice-making, we obviously all do it and can, through introspection, agree on the existence of that process. It's not the existence of choice-making that's an issue here, but its nature. If God's choice about which world to create is based on the individual human natures - we didn't create those natures for ourselves either. It also implies that our natures are fully 'predictable' [God knows how we would react exactly under any circumstances], so then our natures must be deterministic as well. Predetermined natures + predetermined circumstances. Nothing here makes you ultimately free or ultimately morally responsible. Even if God's choice which world to create is based on some necessity of serving his purposes best, it has no bearing on the fact that you had no say in it, ultimately. It was all chosen for you, including your ultimate fate, salvation or damnation. Which means people are objectified to play out tragic roles and many of them to play evil roles through no ultimate choice of their own and then they will be punished for that terrible 'service'.“ . Amazing. Of all possible worlds … This is the world God chose. I am impressed to take notice of the fact that speculation about what God coulda, woulda, shoulda done is illustrated by this world and This Is The Show. One might well ask, in the frustration that sometimes accompanies life ~ This is God’s greatest possible world? and they do, ask, as they sink into the bottom of the abyss. One great man even asked ~ Why hast thou forsaken me? . So... what have we learned? According to you ~ You are sooo smart and I am so dumb. LOL As a professional educator, are you saying that you believe that calling me out for my weaknesses is the best way to carry on a civilized conversation? Sirius Black said, “If you want to know what a man's like, take a good look at how he treats his inferiors, not his equals.” HP and the Goblet of Fire . On a personal note: I have the same objections against Molinism as I have against all the man-made denomination of TM (trade-mark) Traditional Majority Christianity. Pardon me. Molinism is a man-made construct. The question for me is always ~ the man-made philosophies of men versus the revelations of God. Hence, I am so fortunate to have found. re: … The Church of J E S U S C H R I S T of Latter-day-Saints . Salutations . Sirius Black said, "We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are." HP and the Order of the Phoenix . You’ve been potterized, by Harry Abel Potter, … a very able potter. . Expecto Patronum! ================ * * * . So... What faith tradition do you follow? OR ... Are you an atheist? . peace
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@harryabelpotter9630 Glad you have no clue as to what Molinism is: so easy to find on KZfaq. At ReasonableFaithOrg You're diatribe of mormon ignorance was fantastic! But i stopped reading after only a couple of paragraphs: so didn't get you're full monty of mormon fantasy! YOU ARE A FIRST RATE MORMON APOLOGIST! So succinct and to the point! You make Kwaku look like an amateur! LoL You're middle name is Richard obviously!
@harryabelpotter96303 жыл бұрын
To: @@davidjanbaz7728 You need Jesus !
@marciomenezes92617 ай бұрын
Ooouufff!!! There’s quite a bit of ignorance on the Actual Reformed Theology in this video. I’d be happy to chat about all the errors made if anyone’s interested. 😊 God bless you all! 😊
@joshtaylor263 жыл бұрын
Amen boys! Lovin this stuff.
@bsills513 жыл бұрын
What gives you BOYS to be so judgmental. I left the church 30 years ago. Just let it all go. Freedom of religion.
@EricLovesCHRIST3 жыл бұрын
Who was Jesus Christ?
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@EricLovesCHRISTyou mean you don't know?
@EricLovesCHRIST3 жыл бұрын
In your opinion, who do you think Jesus was?
@davidfayfield65943 жыл бұрын
Making fun of the way people look?
@TexasFlavor3 жыл бұрын
You guys got it wrong. I say this with a humble heart. Jealousy? I’m not a Calvinist but I highly doubt it’s jealousy or fear..
@jonbaker4762 жыл бұрын
Actually, if you go back and read the scriptures in the Bible in Corinthians, it never says there are three degrees of glories. It says there are Celestial Bodies and Terrestrial Bodies.
@KevlarX26 ай бұрын
You cut off the scripture without reading the next verse. It goes on to say there is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. That is three. Through modern revelation, we know the third degree is called Telestial.
@yasaf9343 жыл бұрын
It could also be due to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints being more of an Arminian denomination of Christendom. 🤷♂️
@harryabelpotter96303 жыл бұрын
Calvinists also fight with Lutherans Calvinist Baptists also fight with other Baptists. Calvinist anti-cult ideals have a "double" hatred for the Latter-day Saints.
@BrendonKing3 жыл бұрын
@@harryabelpotter9630 I think you confuse debate and reasoning with hatred. Calvinists, although they may not agree with certain doctrinal points with other denominations, still claim brotherhood. Calvinists will not claim brotherhood with Mormonism.
@harryabelpotter96303 жыл бұрын
To: @@BrendonKing Re: no communal fellowship YOU SAID I think you confuse debate and reasoning with hatred. ABEL Ya ... I did use those words rather loosely ~ didn't I. Nevertheless, I made my point ~ all is not well in the evangelical world. . YOU SAID Calvinists, although they may not agree with certain doctrinal points with other denominations, still claim brotherhood. ABEL For the most part, yes, but there is an uneasy truce and a continuous polemic between the parties. Fellowship has never ceased to be debated and periodically the peace is routinely questioned by vote. . YOU SAID Calvinists will not claim brotherhood with Mormonism. ABEL Since we are concentrating on not confusing terms, today, let me bring the following to your attention. re: … The Church of J E S U S C H R I S T of Latter-day-Saints . Please Do Not Call Us Mormons Anymore. (Notice that I said please... ) You may have missed the press release or perhaps for one of many other possible reasons you may not have yet decided to respect this request. Nevertheless, if you haven't heard, we are asking all honest, descent people to respect us in this request in as much as, among other reasons, Mormon is a nickname that is many times used with a derogatory connotation that our enemies and critics use against us. Therefore, I am personally & respectfully requesting … Please do not call us Mormons anymore. You can call us: ~ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ~ The Church of Jesus Christ ~ The Church . Also, Please do not call us LDS for similar reasons. You can call us: ~ Latter-day Saints ~ Saints, or ~ Christians . But, please … I am humbly & respectfully requesting Do not call us LDS anymore, and, Do not call us Mormons anymore. . Thank you . ABEL Now, what were you saying ... something about Calvinists not claiming brotherhood with the Saints of God. My point exactly. I come from a Lutheran background. The LCMS does not have sacramental fellowship with the ELCA, the two main branches of Lutheranism. And the Lutherans do not have sacramental brotherhood with the Calvinist. Our favorite thing to do was get into a fight (excuse me ~ debate) with the Calvinist and bash them to death (excuse me ~ I meant to say ~ use their own scriptural references to convincingly win the debate.) My major point was to show that there is way more exclusive behavior and finger pointing between evangelical denominations than people are normally aware of. Yes, the Saints of God are attacked and criticized too. My observation has been that's this type of "exclusive" behavior is typical among the TM traditional majority Christian denominations. In the case of double hatred, I did worry about using the term, but I convinced myself that everyone would understand that it was a play on words in relation to "double predestination" which I personally find to be one of the most dark, evil, and hateful ideals that came from the mind of a man. I find your words of, and I quote " "may not agree" to be a white washing or a cloaking of the exclusive ~ reclusive ~ real animosity that exits between the evangelical community. My experience has been to see more denominations break from each other the moment they stand up for something they believe. The denominations that come together don't seem to stand for anything and ~ or they now align with traditional competitors. Of course, that's not a scientific examination, but rather just from my the very little bit that I know about the subject. Do you see the same thing? Do you see religion growing? Do you see secularism taking over? If there is anything that you would like to comment or correct me about ~ I am always willing to listen. peace.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@harryabelpotter9630 you're so triggered dude! You must be a young mormon . O did i use that 6 letter word for a member of a counterfeit church. You're right i will now call it the counterfeit church of Joesph Smith of Latter-Day Saints! Which was changed from the church of Christ in D&C section 20. Maybe you should change your church name to the church of the Lamb of God the true church! 1 Nephi 14:10.
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
Arminians would reject Mormonism as Christian also!
@dolanridgecommunitychurch74332 жыл бұрын
I’m a Calvinist and have no hatred for Mormons.
@chiefdigger52162 жыл бұрын
I’m just astonished that it took till 1973 or so for the LDS church to let black people or African-American into the church and hold the priesthood before they thought they were the curse of cane and abomination. Can’t believe you can follow a religion that used to think that
@KevlarX26 ай бұрын
Statement from church in 1978: “The Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else,” the statement read. “Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form.” Blacks have been a part of the church from it's earliest days. Joseph Smith himself ordained the Priesthood on a black man. The ban started around 1856 from Brigham Young and the reasons are unclear as to why. However, other than the Priesthood ban back in the day, blacks have always been welcomed in the LDS church. Many other churches in the US. practiced separating races, and their reasons were more rooted in racism. I don't see you calling them out though.
@EricLovesCHRIST3 жыл бұрын
We have a %30 divorce rate. I am sorry, but we are TERRIBLE people
@JacobWHill3 жыл бұрын
Where'd you get that statistic? That's incorrect.
@EricLovesCHRIST3 жыл бұрын
@@JacobWHill 30
@DylanSelf2 жыл бұрын
Here we see Kwaku demonstrating as great a misunderstanding about Calvinism as he's shown previously about the Trinity.
@kellslater80393 жыл бұрын
I’d rather listen two James white intellectually, theologically and peacefully dismantle Roman Catholics or Muslims. Talking down to other people, gossiping about them and what they believe is not apologetics.
@EliasB10011 ай бұрын
(5:29) “I honestly don’t know enough of the Calvinist doctrine other than… some strange problem they have with the three degrees in glory in the afterlife even though it’s all over the book of Corinthians, you know…” “Uh huh” “You know they never read their scriptures.” It’s always funny to listen to someone who doesn’t even know there are more than one book of Corinthians while accusing Christians of not reading “the book of Corinthians.” 1st or 2nd Corinthians genius?? Sheesh
@WARDRADIO11 ай бұрын
He's a Sunday School teacher, bro. He knows the Bible pretty well. And on average members of the Church of Jesus Christ scored significantly higher on tests concerning knowledge of the Bible. So compared to us, yeah, the average Calvinist doesn't read enough
@jasonseagraves6777 Жыл бұрын
Calvinists don't hate you. We are commanded to love you. It's God you have to worry about. Vengeance is His, and there will be no people suffering worse in eternal Hell than Mormon leaders. Repent and believe or be damned.
@colenedrow27926 ай бұрын
Calvinism is made up of hollow, man-made doctrines and has nothing more to offer than any other run of the mill Protestant theology. I have no more reason to believe your interpretation of the Bible than the Lutherans, or the Presbyterians, or the Baptists, or the Seventh-Day Adventists, or any other denomination. You’re arguments are all equally valid and invalid. At least the Catholic Church can claim authority on their interpretation of scripture. But Latter-Day Saints are the only church who’s understanding and interpretation of the Bible is reinforced by additional scripture. I’ve studied the Book of Mormon for myself and I know that it is true and in perfect harmony with the Bible. And any argument that I have found used to discredit the Book of Mormon is employed in equal measure and ferocity by atheists against the Bible and yet your faith is unshaken, as will ours be with the Book of Mormon in addition to the Bible. I know it is the word of God. So with all due respect, we’ll take our chances. But having been a student of the scriptures for a long time and having a personal relationship with God myself, I know that I have nothing to worry about and your concern is misplaced.
@thenowchurch64193 жыл бұрын
You are framing that way too personally. Calvinists do not hate Mormons, they hate Mormonism. Hopefully I can say the same for Mormons hating Calvinism and not Calvinsts. Why would any sane person hate another person just because they chose the "wrong" religion?
@Jeff_H_the_Guitarist2 жыл бұрын
God not having a body makes no sense when you apply human limits to God. His ways aren’t our eays and the creator is greater than the created. Isaiah 43:10 also says He’s the only God that’s been or will ever be. Of course Joseph Smith would refute that.
@tomfighter243 жыл бұрын
Latter-Day Saints aren't supposed to judge others who belong to other faiths or live different lives, but they sure as heck do in Utah... badly. Our church can have some of the same problems you pointed out that existed with those two specific Calvinist sects.
@Eagle_Powers Жыл бұрын
Wrong! Calvinist do NOT hate Mormons.
@davidbroadhead68143 жыл бұрын
Not woke at all..
@weeklyhoss2563 жыл бұрын
This is probably you lol: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8l6gpuUvs6lmps.html
@davidjanbaz77283 жыл бұрын
@@weeklyhoss256 love his support of another cult : that just supports you're commonality with the JW'S: but so much backlash from his mormon buddies!
@sahmeerodies16863 жыл бұрын
Something that is pretty evident in a lot of these videos is that instead of listening to the calvanist crowd as to why they come against lds theology, Kwaku tells them their reasoning and undermines their whole thought process. When Kwaku is speaking to James White and Jeff Durbin he gets frustrated when they start soeaking as if they completely know him, yet Kwaku does this to a greater extent, and then does not allow them to comment on videos where he speaks about this (Speaking most directly about his debate with Aaron where he only allows Mormons to comment and Aaron even says he tried to respond to comments asking him questions has been banned, My comments dont show up to other accounts either) This is not an attack but an observation of the hypocrisy for anyone watching and thinking they have understood why people come at the church.