I don't get scared easily but that scene where Yves approaches Choerry in that tunnel haunts me. it's so freaky 😭

they can't do anything with the loonaverse anymore because jaden jeong was the one who created and essentially directed it from heejin to xx

@@aspenasyou I 100% agree with you

Can I ask why you said that "it all fell apart"?

@@dawnhope Because they had a very interesting predebut project, but after their debut everything started going wrong. Among other things: - Many members didn't have enough lines - Their stage outfits for their debut were extremely low budget - They barely had any sort of promotion activities - Butterfly was quite experimental and failed to catch any general public attention - BBC went bankrupt and they were in serious trouble - Their creative director who had created their entire lore left - Haseul took a hiatus for a long time - Their comebacks have been few and far apart, and never did too well domestically

Thank you for the explanation! I guess we have different takes on Loona's trajectory because for me, they came a long way ahead. From Heejin's Solo Album being the least sold album of the year to having sold out concerts.

@@dawnhope They definitely did well for a group that came out of a completely unknown label, but for the amount of hype they had during predebut it's kind of underwhelming. Some people were thinking they would be Twice level of famous, which could never happen. Still, Loona's international fanbase should be enough to keep them going for a while, but many of them seem unhappy and I doubt they'll renew their contract once it's over, but that's just my perception.

@@your-regina Agree 100%.

I agree. I fel that BBC don't respect girls and staffs. Not only incompetent but corrupt rubbish company. As you have seen in the Dispatch article about the profit settlement issue.

@mesopotamia it actually is-

It’s so…. ironic and sad.

Its back!!! Haseul sung it at her concert with Heejin!!!! They sung Crystal Ballad!!!😭

They switched to girl crush because the ceo of SM made Why Not and So What for them. When Loona did the dance cover of Cherry Bomb, he liked it so much that he produced those two songs for them. It’s not really known whether they would’ve done girl crush if he hadn’t made the songs for them.

he's still working with onlyoneof actually :) he was with them for their japanese debut in may and he's credited on their current underground idol project which you should def check out!

@@urheehoo Actually SS501’s fandom name was triple S I think that’s who u may be talking about lol

@@ennta ok well other than that he no longer works with them on Korean comebacks

@@gwenmloveskpopcecmore where did you get that information? i'm confused because he worked with them on their last korean comeback and all of these solos are releases for the korean market. if he's made an official announcement about moving on i'm surprised i haven't seen lyons on social media mention it, since a lot of them follow him on sns and keep up with his other projects like triple s

i dont thibk we shoukd blame jj because bbc isnt so inocent themselfs and we litterly now know who really did the gaslighting here jayden was litterly bbcs perfect escape goat everting the whole fandoms gaze from what bbcs real dark shit was about. and just like how he deleted the album we orbits are boycotting bbc. nobodys been payed everyones been overworked and skrewednover by the company

loons

Part of the success for So What was the hype from Butterfly. I honestly think LOONA might be more successful now if they continued to embrace what they started. The new sound abandoned the predebut music and it’s growing more and more irrelevant, that the whole charm of pre-debut is pretty much useless now. The general public cares less about it, so that’s pretty much years of build up thrown away. If you think about it, why would people care about it when it doesn’t reflect LOONA and their sound anymore anyway - now it’s just an easter egg of LOONA’s history. Seeing groups like IVE and New Jeans become some of S.Korea’s current biggest girl group just shows that LOONA had something big with them if they just kept up and held on to it.

@@pokopoko14 so what flopped so hard

@@pokopoko14 I agree

Loonas pre-debut project was carried by international audiences? So wdym? The only think Lee so man and Ryan s jhun helped with was to make them gain more audiences domestically

Yeah their company is trash

And the girls joined his company now

@@MrRdlv AND THEYRE DEBUTING UNDER ARTMS 😭😭😭😭

That's so cool! I'd like to see it :)

Would love to see a video on Jaden Jeong!!

Whoa I had never heard of this? How did he ruin them? 🥺

@@youaremeish it's to my belief that the same story of loona happened to all of them.. He had a vision, the company he was working with didn't give him full control and he dipped it started with lovelyz cuz I think both them & loona had the same concept of "unique debut" then after the ladies code tragedy I believe he was control of the their trilogy albums but the last one was incomplete and one of their songs became a debut loona song, when he didn't have his way with loona he went to the boy group but after that I stopped caring for his name

he didn't ruin onlyoneof lol, he's still working with them and the members seem to have a great deal of respect for him bc he lets them have a lot of input in the creative process

@@ennta Nah he quit working with them and moved on to his own gg (by LibidO era he already stopped) that’s win Junji no longer had to cover his face with his bangs. And their logo had changed. They’d also switch their companies from RSVP (a sub label) to 8DC

Flip that and hi high is literally like every basic girl group concept ever

OEC just released a new song

I will FUCKKING end jaden if he uses that for TripleS

I'm afraid they'll give them "La Maison" and the rest to TripleS which was meant for LOONA...

Unlikely. Jaden never owned the songs, BBC does.

@Holly it’s still unreleased and hidden

We were the biggest clowns when JinSoul told us But I’m happy to know that they were never finished under BBC, for that was the only good decision they made

Its kinda make a sense. When he was work with lovelyz. He was behind of their school girl concept. Which is kinda concerning the fact the only school girl at that time was only the maknae line. Even after he left. The company still try to make them to look like a school girl when they already at late 20's

YES, all these people here saying that after JJ all fell apart are stupid , loonas music still good and the loonaverse still here , u just dont want to see it , even before JJ left there was the conversation about loonas sound , people hated on favorite , hi high and butterfly, loona had ONE album before JJ left so how u can say whats loona sound?

I think orbits serverely overdramatize how much control Jaden hand in BBC. He was only the creative director, he was only responsible for picking out concepts and giving a general direction for how he wanted the group to go. However, there was a higher management above him that dictated the whole group and their direction, its the whole reason why he left. I do think he was responsible for forcing the girls to dye their hair and change their hairstyles, even when they didn't want to which was wrong, and thats his worst crime. But the dieting and general overworking was completely out of his hands, that falls onto BBC and their company policies. I do think he did want the girls to stay underground, but the lack of promotion ultimately fell on BBC aswell. Even after Jaden left the girls were not promoted and their success now is entirely attributed to Orbits and when people reached out TO THEM. (Lee Sooman wanted to work with Loona after he saw their Cherry Bomb cover. Bbc can only be credited for allowing that to happen) also im not going to agree or disagree that Jaden limited the girls in the creative process. I do think hes a huge narcissist and lets his work and vision blind him, but even if Jaden wanted the girls to contribute it wouldn't of happened. Again, even after he left Loona were hardly able to participate in their concept or music. This again falls on BBC and their management. Also as Midnight states in the video, its unlikely La Maison or Burn or any music they didnt relesse are "gone". Jaden didnt own the rights. He may of deleted storyboards and concepts for La Maison, but the raw demos and overall song probably still exists somewhere in the BBC library. Bbc likely could of still released the songs and LoonaTheBallad, probably in a different concept and overall sound/image, but they chose not to. I think in recent news its obvious that the real villian here is BBC. Jaden had his faults and he definitely did many things wrong, but i'm just going to say it, Loona was never the same after he left. They lost their lore and what made them unique and the reason so many orbits fell in love with the group (throwing in random visuals or moons and glowing eyes doesnt count. The main storyline of Loona was forgotten and scrapped). Bbc never cared about the lore and debt wasnt the main reason why. Loona is still amazing and their songs and music videos are still amazing, but only because of the amazing and talented people who work with them. I dont think its wrong for Orbits to say they miss Jaden Jeong and his overall lore and creative vision.

Well, this comment didn't age well

​@@DDuxer-xb4piit really didn't age well 😂😂😂

errr keep it cute that was a promo song😘

@@lexxiiiii flip that was a promo song?

@@aspenasyou yea?

@@lexxiiiii it's literally a title track

@@aspenasyou girl flip that did not sound like a cocomelon song r u okay?

Same but their songs will never be the same again 💔

@@ujiria I know xx disco and pre debut was top tier but still their producing great songs # 12:00 & still a massive bop

@@ujiria Need U, playback, UR , oh Yes i am, number one , day e night , universe , fall again , be honest , wow , number one , pale blue dot.