I redesigned the PCB for the single board Z80 computer and the prototypes just arrived! In this video I show you how to surface mount solder the parts and then I test the unit!
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@JadarDev4 жыл бұрын
I just discovered this channel. I didn't realize how much I missed the Ben Heck Show! So glad you're still making content, man!
@asusman74604 жыл бұрын
Me to...
@wakkowarner73914 жыл бұрын
Just found this channel and glad to have Ben back in my life. Missed those hacks!
@BrightSpark4 жыл бұрын
Ben Heck - The Joy of Soldering
@olik1364 жыл бұрын
that soldering iron is the 2 inch brush of the surface component world :) ..... the only thing I am missing is the Louis Rossmann sea of flux
@Muldrf4 жыл бұрын
I either want to go solder up a board, or do some painting. I am not sure which. :)
@SimplyDudeFace4 жыл бұрын
Let's add a capacitor. It's your circuit board, you get to decide where it goes. My happy little cap goes over here.
@BenHeckHacks4 жыл бұрын
RE: Flux. Not sure why, maybe it's the quick turnaround time, but Oshpark PCBs have a tendency to get really "sticky" after using lots of flux or cleaner. Thus I avoid using it as much as possible. I will bring flux syringes to the workshop though.
@TravisWebb4 жыл бұрын
What about brush with a paste?
@ryangrainger62714 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was my flux that did that, but maybe you're right and it is Oshpark boards
@TomStorey963 жыл бұрын
I get this on boards from Chinese manufacturers as well. I think it's just flux in general, you just need to clean it a lot or leave it if it's no clean flux.
@KingJellyfishII4 жыл бұрын
I'd certainly buy this as a kit, if it was made available.
@alexthelion3352 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too
@stevejennings39604 жыл бұрын
An expert in soldering- pure relaxing, thoroughly interesting and bloody fascinating- huge support from me in the uk!
@pwicks784 жыл бұрын
Ben's going for that Bob Ross vibe today. Happy little chips.
@MrBatraaf4 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos on surface mount soldering.that I have ever seen. It actually gave me enough confidence to attempt a simple SMD project.
@dragom34174 жыл бұрын
I've missed this kind of Ben Heck video, it feels like the old skool stuff.. or maybe I just like watching him solder LOL
@intel1m4 жыл бұрын
You're a really great teacher for all this tech stuff. I Realy appreciate the time you spend on all your videos. Just because your videos I start to Solder my own electronics and getting better every time. Thank you Ben! Best wishes from Germany
@RoamingAdhocrat4 жыл бұрын
"Most of the time, rubbing alcohol will suffice." Words to live by.
@xnonsuchx4 жыл бұрын
I thought club soda always sufficed? ;-)
@IHeart16Bit4 жыл бұрын
Soldering is a skill i'd love to learn at some point. Watching people who are good at it is always very impressive.
@mikekopack64414 жыл бұрын
Thanks for teaching the surface mount soldering technique! I've always been deathly afraid of it because of the small sizes, but what you showed makes a lot of sense and took away my fear of it. Would love to build one of these to play with.
@pvc9884 жыл бұрын
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
@MrSapps4 жыл бұрын
I'm taking note of this huge success, anyway the board is done its so surface and mounted. Now these lines of basic make a beautiful line and the board is soldered for the event on time. So I'm glad I watched this video think of all the things I learned for the Ben who is still alive.
@waltercomunello1214 жыл бұрын
You're like the super smart, likeable and nerdy tech teacher I've always wanted to have. This was a triumph, wasn't it.
@Decco63064 жыл бұрын
I always find it humorous when people make a z80 board and there's a micro controller doing something small on it that out specs the z80 like 10 times over lmao
@Drumada4 жыл бұрын
Super relaxing to watch! This is exactly what inspires me solder by "de-mystifying" everything going on. Time to go repair a broken speaker! Ps - as a lifetime metro-detroiter, it took me a shockingly long time (until my mid 20s) to realize that there was no "south" Detroit
@klave85114 жыл бұрын
I, on the other hand, was in great pain watching that sad soldering. I stopped the video after 4 minutes.
@SmokeGrinder4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if the convention had already happened bectause I was curious how it had turned out - Nope, cancelled. Stay safe and healthy.
@ralphyrocket57704 жыл бұрын
Great Stuff! Like always! I saw the 15 decimal for the joystick value and I thought 4 least significant bits like atari...and you said it at the same time!!! It stays with ya!!!!
@devrim-oguz4 жыл бұрын
7:19 Man, Ben is so good, he is able to solder during an earthquake 😂
@_lolucoca_97354 жыл бұрын
Love that reference at the end!
@DogRox4 жыл бұрын
That was actually fun and relaxing to watch. :-)
@LucasHartmann4 жыл бұрын
I sometimes use painter's tape to hold the chip in place while soldering the first two pins. The tape has enough give for small fixes, and is much easier to hold than the tweezers.
@Coloradoguy2344 жыл бұрын
This is actually a great way to introduce people to soldering. You should sell these as a kit. Teach a wider audience soldering and make some money on the side.
@lmaoroflcopter4 жыл бұрын
Would love to buy this if you made it available as a kit
@RisingRevengeance4 жыл бұрын
That soldering was very well explained, I will definitely make use of it in the future. Total noob at soldering here. I'm a decent welder and some of the tricks are similar.
@whette_fahrtz4 жыл бұрын
Get a roll of kapton tape and you can stick components in place a little better before laying the solder down, it's an extra step and a bit fiddly but an extra "hand" so to speak for us novices is a huge help.
@RisingRevengeance4 жыл бұрын
@@whette_fahrtz I'll keep that in mind, thanks!
@1pcfred2 жыл бұрын
@Mr Guru wrong.
@1pcfred2 жыл бұрын
@Mr Guru and that is why you cannot compare your experience to doing this. Because they're not the same thing. Clearly what Ben did worked. We have the video as evidence.
@1pcfred2 жыл бұрын
@Mr Guru you think you're the only one with years of experience? I was assembling surface mount military coms gear at a board assembly house in the early 90s. I'd been soldering through hole for decades before that. I'm sure Ben has a few years experience himself. The flux in solder is enough.
@jeyjeywoolfolk16843 жыл бұрын
Love watching your show
@donaldwright24264 жыл бұрын
Nice project! Nice work!
@youdud444 жыл бұрын
Bob Ross, Steve1989, and Ben Heck. Three things I didn't think could be possible to have in one video yet alas, here we are. You love to see it.
@BarnacleButtock4 жыл бұрын
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction...
@janbiedermann13983 жыл бұрын
once again: one of the most entertaining ways to learn how to solder there is... apart from other videos like this from him... ^^
@Alakazzam094 жыл бұрын
This video seems strangely intimate. I like it.
@JaredClarkBoaz4 жыл бұрын
That's why I love Ben's videos.
@elipsorange4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff dude! I want to get something made by you, you are an inspiration!
@macro8204 жыл бұрын
I think some flux would go a long way on those small pitch chips
@ray30k4 жыл бұрын
Definitely. Just about every other youtuber I know that does this kind of soldering is like, "Three rules: flux, flux, and flux."
@cosmicraysshotsintothelight4 жыл бұрын
A flux pen has a wiper type tip. All one needs do is wipe the pad frame one time. And place a tiny droplet of solder on the tip to fix the first pin. Then the diagonal opposite.
@devil89754 жыл бұрын
No flux? I've heard petroleum jelly will work in a pinch. I can't find non-corrosive flux in my area anywhere. Everything around here is for plumbing.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight Not flux core solder. Actual flux in a gel or rework pen.
@torridice4 жыл бұрын
Ben’s like the Bob Ross of board stuffing
@Codeaholic14 жыл бұрын
I really wish I could go. Hopefully the gerbers and design files are up on github. I'd love to be able to build my own.
@GamingHistorySource4 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to interface something like this with a nintendo cart & make an expansion for the nes with it ?
@noobFPV4 жыл бұрын
That is some awesome wick you have.
@adonian3 жыл бұрын
why is this so soothing
@HokusaiXL4 жыл бұрын
I usually crazily clean my tip and use a little no clean flux to make the solder pull onto the iron tip. It's a lot faster that way with PS4 HDMI's since they have a similar pin pitch.
@dragom34174 жыл бұрын
Mr. Heck, can you sell this bundle as a build it yourself at home project?
@Codeaholic14 жыл бұрын
@Joe Blow or JLCPCB or PCBWay or or ;-)
@0xc0ffea4 жыл бұрын
Kinda related ... Ben Eater has a breadboard computer kit with massive YT series that builds it up chip by chip.
@AuDHDQ4 жыл бұрын
I don't think ben has ever released the plans to any of his projects
@ingmarm88584 жыл бұрын
OCD making me twitch but keeping it all to myself lol. Nice project overall, enjoyed watching the progress.
@sa230e4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Windsor, Ontario.
@Mr_Meowingtons4 жыл бұрын
louis rossmann is shaking his head at the lack of Flux
@1pcfred2 жыл бұрын
What Louis Rossmann is doing is different than what Ben is doing. There are similarities but also differences. Which you apparently are not appreciating. You could say what Louis works on is fluxed up.
@codebeat41924 жыл бұрын
Nice, love to buy and have one.
@seshpenguin4 жыл бұрын
Holy crap this is a satisfying video.
@JustinCole454 жыл бұрын
I’ll have to catch the next workshop!
@1337Shockwav34 жыл бұрын
Recommendations for the final version: Cover your vias ;) And what about making the labels of the smaller ICs align with the orientation on the chip? Seems to be an eagle thing to only switch labels in their orientation rather than going in 90 degree steps (can be fixed by checking a box tho). Otherwise this seems like a really nice project, covers a nice span of packages for beginners (yes, SMD is no magic, I've gone as small as QFP208/0402 without ever learning how to solder in a course) with a final product that's interesting enough to keep people engaged. I also highly approve of the chip under chip approach with the DIP Z80 - compact designs (even tho PCBs are dirtcheap these days) is an art of it's own.
@timrb4 жыл бұрын
I love it! The mighty Bens need to get together. Ben Hack, Ben Eater and BennVenn.
@yorgle4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Can't wait to buy one!
@yorgle4 жыл бұрын
and THANK YOU for doing a through-hole USB connector! Those things take a beating.
@cerberes4 жыл бұрын
Ben is a legend
@DannyWilliamH4 жыл бұрын
I can never get my solder wick to work as effectively as it does here (and others). I haven't tried that brand but I've tried fairly costly, highly recommended brands. It almost always just ends up with me having soldered the wick to the joint lol Is my iron too hot? Not hot enough? Am I just awful at soldering/desoldering? I have no idea at this point.
@iloveshw3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben, binged the whole 3 parts. Are you planning to do a follow-up video with changes you mentioned at the end of this video/release code and schematics on GH?
@leebooth23334 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, another great project. I have been watching your videos for years now and I have always taken your advice when it comes to soldering, however when I solder my components my solder is sticky and is very stubborn to move. What's brand or makeup of solder do you use and what temperature do you set your iron.
@rainbowrepair56924 жыл бұрын
When the file finally gets uploaded, do you plan on selling the parts to populate the z80 note as a kit purchase? Or will it be up to the buyer to source all parts
@JaredClarkBoaz4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video Ben 🙏 What temperature do you personally solder surface mount components at?
@Accolyte14 жыл бұрын
Could you dab a tiny drop of super glue under the surface mount components like the atmega chip to hold it in place for soldering?
@NicolauWerneck4 жыл бұрын
"Happy little clouds" :D
@samzx814 жыл бұрын
this is pretty cool
@CoolFire6664 жыл бұрын
Is there going to be any way to get a kit of this project for people who can't make it to the conference?
@Gabriel-kz8ns4 жыл бұрын
Oh... I love when a plan comes together.... nice work! You know that this project is 10 orders of magnitude better than all of the 'last job' combined over the entire period since you left, right? haha (and almost same proportion on combined views as well ;p)
@evensgrey4 жыл бұрын
I unsubbed from them after seeing what they were going to be doing afterwards.
@Waltkat4 жыл бұрын
Love the content. But I kept whispering "flux" to myself every time Ben soldered something. Lol.
@rootbeer6664 жыл бұрын
I do large pitch SMD chips with an even easier technique. I first tin all of the pads, making sure they don't have any tall blobs, then I brush on my liquid flux onto rows of pads and let it dry a little so it's not wet or runny. The liquid flux becomes sticky as it dries. I take advantage of the stickiness to literally line up and stick my components onto the board. Then with a clean iron tip I just heat a couple of pins to secure the chip into place (the amount of solder on the pads after tinning and the solder coating on the chip pins is more than plenty, no need to carry solder on your iron tip). Once I've got a couple of pins securing the chip in place I solder the rest by brushing the clean iron tip over each pin lengthwise, not side to side. This avoids solder bridges and the flux I brushed on the rows of pads also helps keeping solder bridges from forming. Quite foolproof.
@brendethedev28584 жыл бұрын
its hard to overstate my satisfaction :)
@apostolisioannou40734 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben, when did you catch the EATER bug? :))) As always very pleasing to watch! I've seen all your videos! Not only you make fun of eveything, but you explain everything with detail. Looking forward to your future stuff.
@preferredimage4 жыл бұрын
A good 'rossman' amount of flux along those pads before you solder fixes all issues with bridging. and IPA fixes all flux issues!
@BenHeckHacks4 жыл бұрын
Indeed will be bringing flux to the workshop as well!
@azyfloof4 жыл бұрын
The Amtech flux Rossman uses is fantastic for drag soldering, too :D Just lay down bead of flux, get a blob of solder on the soldering iron tip and slowly drag it along the pins. Don't even need braid for cleanup afterwards :D
@Codeaholic14 жыл бұрын
Louis also uses a lot less then you'd think. It just looks like a a lot with the magnification.
@diegfb20014 жыл бұрын
I felt nervous and anxious watching this guy tryng to soldering without flux XD
@christi1982814 жыл бұрын
Have you ever used a gull wing tip? The one with the tiny reservoir. PACE calls them the MiniWave tip. I have always had the best luck drag soldering with them. They are my favorite tip for any soldering actually.
@BunnyuK924 жыл бұрын
Is this hole “package” only available at the event or will it be something that can eventually be brought online?
@ithaca20764 жыл бұрын
Files will be put on GitHub so you can order it yourself. But you'll need to buy your own Parts
@Vizimech4 жыл бұрын
Those SRAM chips are no longer in production according to Mouser. Are there any logic and pin compatible alternatives that are in active production?
@gianlucarenzi77064 жыл бұрын
@29:20 Atari Reading pokey port values. It was 35 years ago. And the are still with me. Thanx for this remainder...
@lonnymoore26224 жыл бұрын
i would love too build up this kit . please post links wen you have the kit up for sale . that looks like soo much fun .
@sidharthap4 жыл бұрын
Ya know... no matter what n e 1 says, I like your content, skills and your KZfaq channel. You may not have kids (depending on how you c it, it's a blessing), you may b alone (again, depending on how you c it, another blessing), you may have a dermatophagia (I completely understand that thing... whatever. Even Paul over at Learn Electronics and Mike over at Mikeselectricstuff seem to suffer from this...) but I like your funnies, I admire your skill and envy your knowledge. I've been watching your content since b4 Alison (if memory serves me right!). God bless you Ben! 👍
@user-bl9vu9rm8t4 жыл бұрын
Это великолепно! Хочу быть таким, как ты, когда вырасту))
@felixb90784 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben, could you please tell me what kind of solder you are using? It flows really nice! Thanks!
@alienozi4 жыл бұрын
This project reminds me of the i8080 but with discrete transistors.
@Perseid4 жыл бұрын
For those of us coming to the workshop, is there a list of stuff we should bring, if anything?
@MrBuzzBrain4 жыл бұрын
I would love to buy a kit. Cheers from Norway.
@hippynurd4 жыл бұрын
Its cool that you are showing how soldering technology really tries to make it hard to mess up, but seriously use thinner solder and quit blobbing it around so damn much. This is a great opportunity to show how to drag solder, and I like that you show cleaning up flux, you dont seem to add any. You could make nicer more consistent joints by using a little flux, but it comes at the cost of cleaning up more flux. Im kind of a minimalist, I try to use just enough solder and just enough flux, but always enough.
@MrSapps4 жыл бұрын
there is flux in the solder so it still needs a quick clean
@JDArtagnanAO4 жыл бұрын
Wanderful Project
@markburton33064 жыл бұрын
Good work
@hene1934 жыл бұрын
Is the pcb files available somewhere? I kinda want to build one or two for myself
@DavidScheiber4 жыл бұрын
random question, what solder do you use?
@TheLevitatingChin3 жыл бұрын
"You might be thinking but Ben doesnt look 44. Well that's because I don't have any children" Oh how true that is.
@jonmayer4 жыл бұрын
Your braid seems to suck up solder really fast. What temp is your iron at Ben?
@SegaSaturnSubs4 жыл бұрын
First time I went to Wisconsin I also thought the accent there sounded a bit Canadian, hehe. For a non-native English speaker such as me, I most noticed the diphtongs (like in "food", "good", and "lease") being more elongated than in other regions.
@mohinderkaur66713 жыл бұрын
Q: Is it possible to use Atmega644 - with pin changes ofcourse? Why not use solder paste- with solder+paste and solder using your toaster oven? Soldering with a toaster oven is the easiest thing to do ever. Are the files available anywhere yet? github etc?
@mcg67624 жыл бұрын
Really cool project! Maybe do a 6502 version as well?
@SnipE_mS2 ай бұрын
Hey Ben, what value is the resistor network supposed to be? I just grabbed a bunch of different ones since it wasn't on the BOM.
@Lee_Adamson_OCF4 жыл бұрын
What temperature do you run your iron at for that SMD drag soldering?
@absalomdraconis4 жыл бұрын
Depends primarily on the solder (so start with the standard temperature for your solder), though you may need to ramp up a bit if your iron has poorer temperature stability (which can happen from either the iron design, or even just the individual tip). There is, at the end of the day, no singularly correct answer.
@yuppiehi4 жыл бұрын
Soldering the ATMEGA chip - you really need to add flux. The built-in flux in the solder is not enough. You want to keep the solder liquified, and keep it from getting lumpy.
@eformance4 жыл бұрын
You should consider tenting the vias with solder mask, OSH does have that capability.
@dparson4 жыл бұрын
Great idea, I was going to suggest the same thing. In case it's a help to anyone, I used this Eagle tutorial to tent the vias with OSH and never had a problem. Just search for 'tenting' on the page. www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/115
@SvenAlmgren4 жыл бұрын
In Putty you can make backspace send Ctrl+H instead of Ctrl+? under Terminal > Keyboard
@DavidWilliams-dh4kj4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Strangehack or: how I learned to stop worrying and love the surface mounts...
@vamdolly4 жыл бұрын
were do u order your pcb from i love the look of the purple mask.
@billsixx4 жыл бұрын
Just a tip, tin your pads first, then apply a little solder paste....next, epoxy your packages to hold in place while soldering.
@simonlagann81784 жыл бұрын
is there a place i can order a kit from you? as i like to support your tech and videos.
@kam_mil4 жыл бұрын
What is your soldering station?
@nabilandadamslaboratory34224 жыл бұрын
Why would the SD card module cause contention? Won't the signals coming out of it be at 5v? Where is the problem?
@samss663 жыл бұрын
Ben, are you going to offer these as a kit for sale anywhere. I live too far away from the US to be able to make it to any of your workshops, But I would love to play with one of these.