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@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын
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@Confederate_States_of_America
@Confederate_States_of_America Жыл бұрын
Could you please do p-26 vs. su-57
@wilsonspicher6690
@wilsonspicher6690 Жыл бұрын
If I was the mig id carry a aa10 et for a bvr shot with no warning
@chrishaug
@chrishaug Жыл бұрын
you know what i want next ;) gripen vs f35! :D
@tamalbiswas7920
@tamalbiswas7920 Жыл бұрын
Do a LCA Tejas vs any modern jet... would be interesting to see how it fares against some of the bests.
@SamratChakraborty-ck5fw
@SamratChakraborty-ck5fw Жыл бұрын
Go for j 20 vs su 57
@mash_35-E
@mash_35-E Жыл бұрын
Seems like the mig ran out of flares for the last missle, because it seemingly only dropped chaff instead of flares
@anomaly_echelon7994
@anomaly_echelon7994 Жыл бұрын
"missle" 💀
@mash_35-E
@mash_35-E Жыл бұрын
@@davidsmith8997 Especially with the viper already behind it. But it definitely would've made the situation even more intense XD
@mash_35-E
@mash_35-E Жыл бұрын
@@anomaly_echelon7994 Autocorrection doing it's job 💀
@J-P88
@J-P88 Жыл бұрын
​​@@anomaly_echelon7994 wonder what word he was really trying to type 🤔 🙄
@GrizzlyMoose
@GrizzlyMoose Жыл бұрын
I disagree it was definitely the rearward visibility. Someone gets on your direct six as a mig21 they become the world's best stealth fighter.
@adamwilson4629
@adamwilson4629 Жыл бұрын
The air frame of the MiG-21 has really beaten the test of time. I think that speaks volumes for the engineers that built it. They were limited by technology that was available to them at the time. Slap some modern avionics and a more efficient/powerful engine in there, and all of a sudden the scales start to move. That was really an impressive fight from the MiG. Who'd of thought an air frame from the 1950's with modern everything strapped to it could keep an F-16 at bay for that long?
@Sivalente1
@Sivalente1 Жыл бұрын
I came in to this video expecting to be watching from the mig perspective, and thought we're in for a 5 fight sealclubing video, and was absolutely shocked when the mig made it in to freaking gun range with the f16 down to fox2s. The mig21 bison has just gained a fan with me.
@wigger88
@wigger88 Жыл бұрын
Air fights now-a-days are 90% about electronic and missile capabilities. I kinda already knew the MIG was gonna lose simply because less hard points. Although, like GS points out, the Bison definitely shouldn't be discounted. It has the goods to fight other 2nd tier military jets for sure. I would definitely like to see a US F16 take it on. The more modern AMRAMs might make the MIG's lifespan a little shorter.
@thystaff742
@thystaff742 Жыл бұрын
The F16 would have definitely went down if there was a pair of them.
@keepwalking6041
@keepwalking6041 Жыл бұрын
@@thystaff742 this is the thing, mig21 is cheaper than f16, back in 1970, 80s, all these migs, mig23, mig21, would overhelm the western airforces.. and would be used doctrinally correct-this one on one would be against soviet doctrine, .. its about striking from below, so radar can't see, lots of jamming so awacs doesn't help, and since migs are cheaper you will outnumber enemy in potential fight. overall, better strategy i think.
@kurousagi8155
@kurousagi8155 Жыл бұрын
I think the MiG-21UPG managed to survive the F-16C for so long because the scenario is a dog fight. I think the MiG-21UPG’s Kopyo radar range is 57km and the F-16C’s AN/APG-68 is nearly 300km. Historically, western equipped air forces have made short work of MiG-21s, MiG-23s, and MiG-29s.
@tanakamuzangaza2302
@tanakamuzangaza2302 Жыл бұрын
The Mig here brings to mind the phrase "Refined by age, not defined by age"
@KalvyNoodle
@KalvyNoodle Жыл бұрын
I've always loved the look of the Mig-21. It's just so plane-shaped
@anupnair30
@anupnair30 Жыл бұрын
It looks like rocket with wings and tail 😊
@oskar6661
@oskar6661 Жыл бұрын
I don't have the precise numbers, but I believe the last/latest MiG-21 development had engines with 3x the power of the original engines for the aircraft. Imagine that as an upgrade. A plane with triple the thrust it originally possessed. That's pretty wild.
@jimlthor
@jimlthor Жыл бұрын
Thing could probably take off vertically if set on its tail
@jamesjarrait2231
@jamesjarrait2231 Жыл бұрын
Imagine an F-4 with triple thrust.
@Ghoster311
@Ghoster311 Жыл бұрын
Much less than that: 12680 to 15650. But the new engine could run in a heavily boosted mode for 2 minutes that would boost power to 21800.
@forsaturn4629
@forsaturn4629 Жыл бұрын
you really believe that?
@wallacegrommet9343
@wallacegrommet9343 Жыл бұрын
Like the 21 were slow to begin with
@JBSmoke1
@JBSmoke1 Жыл бұрын
Tougher fight than I thought it would be.
@StudSupreme
@StudSupreme Жыл бұрын
Interesting that a highly modernized MiG-21 can still be somewhat useful on the battlefield. Very interesting.
@direwolf7491
@direwolf7491 Жыл бұрын
India uses them as interceptors.
@StudSupreme
@StudSupreme 11 ай бұрын
@prestallar4339 But if its upgraded avionics turn it into a long range interceptor, it's still useful.
@user-sc7ul1ef6i
@user-sc7ul1ef6i 7 ай бұрын
surprised that ancient winged cylindric coffin thats crashed over 400 times can even fly, even though it has over 1000 kills, on the pilots that flew it and the civilians caught in the crash site.
@col.waltervonschonkopf69
@col.waltervonschonkopf69 5 ай бұрын
An Indian Mig-21 reportedly shot down a Pakistani F-16 in a fight.
@realitysux_0128
@realitysux_0128 Жыл бұрын
Holy cow! That 50+ y/o MiG made you work for that kill. Props to Bane and his DCS skills. As always, great vids by GS🤙🏽
@QasimAli-to5lk
@QasimAli-to5lk Жыл бұрын
Even the F16s are over 40 years old now
@L.K.P_
@L.K.P_ 11 ай бұрын
​@@QasimAli-to5lkstill they are 4th gen specified
@parsafarjammusic28
@parsafarjammusic28 Жыл бұрын
Tom Cruise in the next top gun movie: "The aileron roll will confuse his targeting system"
@MrSuzook82
@MrSuzook82 Жыл бұрын
The little details in DCS amaze me. The wing flex at 4:40..... stunning! Another awesome video GS, thank you!!
@olekundbolek9160
@olekundbolek9160 Жыл бұрын
Missles was more expensive than the Mig21😅 Great fight.
@robertcanup4473
@robertcanup4473 Жыл бұрын
A couple of comments about 1950's engineering. Those were the WWII generation who took us to the moon. They really knew what they were doing. I know there is no F-106 available on DCS, but I think you would be shocked if there were. The engineers back then actually expected their missiles to HIT the enemy aircraft, not just get near it. I know the Vietnam era Sparrows were considered junk, but that was problems interfacing to the F-4 electronics. The same missiles from a 106 had none of those problems. There is an interview with a 106 pilot about shooting down a mach 2.5 Bomarc coming head on, in a test, with a contact fused Sparrow. The plane and Sparrow were chosen at random.. The 106 is the fastest single engine plane ever built.
@the_1_nemesis
@the_1_nemesis Жыл бұрын
What the MiG 21s did at that time, made the US to come up with a whole new generation of Teens. That's how capable they were. Given the modernisation by India, I would believe their version of the story that the Bison shot down the Viper with the eyewitnesses account describing the ejection chute colour which actually is from an F16.
@shaheerasgardian2926
@shaheerasgardian2926 11 ай бұрын
there are multiple osint pieces pointing to the contrary so
@kedarisgreat
@kedarisgreat 11 ай бұрын
Exactly there are multiple OSINTs confirming an F16 kill.
@clintwestwood5187
@clintwestwood5187 11 ай бұрын
@@shaheerasgardian2926 this guy just committed blasphemy by contradicting DJ LIESPR gaffurra...
@SHK-SPORTS11
@SHK-SPORTS11 29 күн бұрын
Of course you would, you're an Indian 🙂
@the_1_nemesis
@the_1_nemesis 29 күн бұрын
@@SHK-SPORTS11 and you said so cz you're a pakistani... 😆
@SuperDiablo101
@SuperDiablo101 Жыл бұрын
interesting to note is that during operation frequent wind ( the evacuation of Saigon during Vietnam) the always beautiful F-14 made its first debut providing escort to the helicopters and although Tomcat did not see any action against the North Vietnam Mig 21s it would have been an interesting match up to say the least given that the F-14 did not likely have its AIM 54s or the other equipment later on that made it so lethal so maybe a DCS fight with A mig 21 against the early Tomcat unless its been done already
@Invictus22656
@Invictus22656 Жыл бұрын
The Vietnamese Mig-21s in the 70s were no where near upgraged as this Bison. Those Mig-21s were the original version, only armed with guns and 2x Stoneage Fox-2s. They weren't a match against the F14s
@tetraxis3011
@tetraxis3011 9 ай бұрын
@@Invictus22656The Early F14s also didn’t have their Phoenix missiles. Just AIM9 and AIM7.
@Invictus22656
@Invictus22656 9 ай бұрын
@@tetraxis3011 you got a point. However, I don't think the Vietnamese Mig-21s is a match against American F14s at that point in time. The F14 is far superior in terms of avionics & aerial maneuver performance
@twistedfingersproject
@twistedfingersproject Жыл бұрын
As a real pilot having never flown a real fighter, it's interesting to see the combat tactics utilized to defeat the A2A and G2A missiles. Never thought about doing aileron rolls (I assume to fluctuate your radar reflectivity) to confuse the missiles. Thanks for posting as it's a good instructional video as well.
@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын
looooool I'd like to just once again touch on the fact that, that was a joke and doesn't work in real life lol.
@twistedfingersproject
@twistedfingersproject Жыл бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder When all else fails, worth a try.. LOL
@max2008abhi
@max2008abhi Жыл бұрын
The best part of the bison is the israeli elta elm-8222 jammer. It can defeat the radar of the f-16a/b mlu. Proved its worth in 2004 air exercise with usaf.
@miletello1
@miletello1 Жыл бұрын
Looking behind you and seeing a viper in pure pursuit witg wings flexing is terrifying 😂
@christianperez8037
@christianperez8037 Жыл бұрын
Idk if you did this on purpose but, the first (I think) restored civilian MIG-21 flew today out of PIE airport in Florida. Its supposed to be flown around airshows across the country soon
@matthewboschin6313
@matthewboschin6313 Жыл бұрын
I believe there has been civ mig21 in South Africa for a while now doing super sonic flights for anybody that can afford it, like R60 000 (ZAR) for a 30-45min flight. But info is scarce.
@aland7236
@aland7236 Жыл бұрын
4:40 I just noticed that the wing flexes as the plane banks. 😮
@gonnabeadoctorsoon2
@gonnabeadoctorsoon2 Жыл бұрын
Very cool video! I like seeing unusually complex fights
@ReaperChi3f
@ReaperChi3f Жыл бұрын
The Bison is not the most advanced MiG-21 variant. The MiG-21 LanceR is also a highly modernised variant that just got decomissioned by the Romanian Air Force.
@samgeorge4798
@samgeorge4798 Жыл бұрын
They are both mig-21 upgrades that came out of the many mig-21 upgrade packages of the 90s. They are both similarly modernized calling one more advanced than the other is semantics. The lancerR has more air to ground upgrades and the bison has more air to air upgrades.
@IndianArma
@IndianArma Жыл бұрын
Actually bison is an upgrade over the lanceR and is not to be confused with the mig 21 bis. Look it up.
@nemanja162
@nemanja162 Жыл бұрын
The Lancer has no BVR capability while the Bison does. Also the Kopyo radar is better than the elm2032 in the lancer so yes the Bison IS more advanced.
@Ba5edAF
@Ba5edAF Жыл бұрын
Imagine thinking Romania would have a Mig 21 more advanced than India lol... This was IAF'S workhorse for decades
@johnsnow9941
@johnsnow9941 Жыл бұрын
@@Ba5edAF So was it for the Romanians
@salmir4170
@salmir4170 Жыл бұрын
The Pakistani F-16 looks very slick with that minimalistic Grey color scheme.
@wasbaddoog9849
@wasbaddoog9849 Жыл бұрын
Yo GS I would love to see you fly the mig-21 bison. I think that would be really interesting to do this fight in reverse
@user-mt1xj1zd8u
@user-mt1xj1zd8u Жыл бұрын
Indian airforce always upgrade their aircrafts with the best equipments making it the best varients of that aircraft like Mig 21 bison,Sepecat Jaguar Daren 3,Mirage 2000i, Mig 29UPG, and soon Super Sukhoi upgrade for Su30 MKI.
@gigachad3327
@gigachad3327 11 ай бұрын
But we should accept it, my friend. the bisons are too old
@user-mt1xj1zd8u
@user-mt1xj1zd8u 11 ай бұрын
@@gigachad3327 yeah, every airframe has a time limit. It's too old. But just until 2025.
@Vendeta552
@Vendeta552 28 күн бұрын
The Su30 mki India has is already very capable and scary aircraft so a super sukhoi upgrade would make it a complete beast
@cammoore0823
@cammoore0823 Жыл бұрын
You almost had me at "the roll confuses the missile" I was about to flip 😂
@Dragonsix1
@Dragonsix1 Жыл бұрын
i would love to see some older aircraft dogfights, loved the video thanks gs
@smartbaba1321
@smartbaba1321 Жыл бұрын
Indian mig-21 was escorted by Netra AWACs during battle when it shooted down Pak F-16...
@netsimam
@netsimam Жыл бұрын
Lol no
@hiteshadhikari
@hiteshadhikari Жыл бұрын
*Indians and Pakistani assemble for a battle lol*
@JesusFriedChrist
@JesusFriedChrist Жыл бұрын
Masala vs Habibi
@Kobayashi-Maru
@Kobayashi-Maru Жыл бұрын
This tea is fantastic 😂
@arindamgc
@arindamgc Жыл бұрын
RIP *"Doosra Banda"* 😂
@muhammadafnan6220
@muhammadafnan6220 Жыл бұрын
Nah on this channel only the educated ones comes not the chapri ones so there are no battles
@hiteshadhikari
@hiteshadhikari Жыл бұрын
@@muhammadafnan6220 u seem new to internet
@doankey
@doankey Жыл бұрын
What a great vid, I love when the fights get dragged out! I could watch these protracted engagements all night long.
@drakkon_sol
@drakkon_sol Жыл бұрын
This was a very interesting scenario. I would like to see more of these. Perhaps you flying the BIS vs something challenging.
@death_parade
@death_parade Жыл бұрын
Slight nitpick, MiG-21 Bis is not the same as MiG-21 Bison.
@timbaskett6299
@timbaskett6299 4 ай бұрын
The Bison vs. A Legacy Hornet would be interesting, or maybe an F-14A.
@paulcooper9011
@paulcooper9011 Жыл бұрын
I imagine (much like say, the Sea Harrier) the MiG-21 has a smallish radar cross section because of its size despite its age. Radar still largely depends on physics where reflected energy is based on output power divided by distance^4 with RCS being an important factor. That's why countries are leaning into stealth. RCS is the only factor of that equation you can really control.
@Lee-sti8wrx
@Lee-sti8wrx Жыл бұрын
That was a really cool vid man. I was really hoping you would be in the mig, wouldn't mind seeing what it's like. That dude you you went up against did really well. Keep em coming mate.
@sandipm7359
@sandipm7359 Жыл бұрын
Hey GS! Can you please do this fight from Mig21 bison's perspective too? It would be an interesting fight to watch.
@onegg04
@onegg04 Жыл бұрын
I was expecting the f16 to steamroll the mig21. Mig put up a surprising fight! That was pretty awesome.
@death_parade
@death_parade Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of what USAF F-15 pilots thought after squaring off against MiG-21 Bisons during Cope India Exercise in 2004.
@localracer
@localracer Жыл бұрын
Excellent work! Always wonder where those dropped tanks end up..
@coquenomisticov5023
@coquenomisticov5023 Жыл бұрын
That mig21 is like a 89 Honda civic ultra tuned up
@pani_3776
@pani_3776 Жыл бұрын
Great performance by the Mig-21 i believe that if it had 6 pylons like the F-16 it could’ve even been victorious
@death_parade
@death_parade Жыл бұрын
Forget the pylons, all the MiG-21 had to do was carry Archers and get in the merge with the F-16. Indian Bison Migs have HMDS, Pakistani F-16 don't. Easy to guess who'd win that fight.
@netsimam
@netsimam Жыл бұрын
@@death_paradelol we have proof no f16 was shot down
@lemonpepperlouisville4138
@lemonpepperlouisville4138 11 ай бұрын
​@@death_paradeBlock 52 have them
@death_parade
@death_parade 11 ай бұрын
@@lemonpepperlouisville4138 Pakistani ones don't have HOBS AAM to go with those. Also, PAF has just 17 Block 52, including trainers.
@joshuaherring6504
@joshuaherring6504 Жыл бұрын
Imagine a modernized f-14, what kind of beast would that be?
@bobsempletank4322
@bobsempletank4322 Жыл бұрын
Obsolete
@seka1986
@seka1986 Жыл бұрын
What about a modern F-86?
@justaperson1619
@justaperson1619 Жыл бұрын
​​@@seka1986ah, we need a FOX-3 capable P-26 peashooter
@bobsempletank4322
@bobsempletank4322 Жыл бұрын
@@seka1986 obsolete
@stephencollins9062
@stephencollins9062 Жыл бұрын
​@@bobsempletank4322fun
@crookedwookie8782
@crookedwookie8782 Жыл бұрын
Love to see a video of you going to a gun range sometime - I can only assume you'd be standing on your head trying to fire a Glock downrange while inverted.
@trentlangford9050
@trentlangford9050 Жыл бұрын
Love seeing the MiG21! Iconic little bird
@velrad1780
@velrad1780 Жыл бұрын
It was very interesting to watch such kind of fight beetween old Mig with modernized avionics and F-16!!
@Belford_4642
@Belford_4642 Жыл бұрын
Always a good video when GS says “hold this for me my dude”
@hell_march6652
@hell_march6652 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading in 4k. :D Not enough creators do that.
@GrizzlyMoose
@GrizzlyMoose Жыл бұрын
Holy SHIT that mig21 is packing some heat!
@parkebridgeman7223
@parkebridgeman7223 Жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see this modernized Mig21 go up against a modernized Turkish Phantom with Amraams
@reysgarage9287
@reysgarage9287 Жыл бұрын
Well this is ironic, I was literally looking for F-16 vs MiG 21 videos on your channel yesterday 😂
@stuartw312000
@stuartw312000 Жыл бұрын
Imagine the F16 with meteor missiles. That would be devastating for any enemy fighters.
@PhycoKrusk
@PhycoKrusk Жыл бұрын
We'll see what happens if the Viper gets upgraded for the AIM-260.
@eric97909
@eric97909 Жыл бұрын
@@PhycoKruskI hope this is soon!
@PhycoKrusk
@PhycoKrusk Жыл бұрын
@@eric97909 Well, it's supposed to be operational this year, although "end of 2023" sounds pretty fungible. Currently, I don't see it slated to be available for the F-16, but I'm going off what public information I have, so that is probably not totally accurate. However, the Super Hornet is planned to get it, so it's not unreasonable that the F-16 might. It'll depend if the avionics upgrade is worth the cost, or if the Air Force decides to just go all-in on Fat Amy (which is probably the better plan, but what do I know?).
@arguy3297
@arguy3297 Жыл бұрын
​@@PhycoKruskI bet they leave the F16 to carry the AMRAAM just because USAF mostly designates that craft for A2G and they'll probably stick to the Eagles to do the BVR heavy lifting. I don't know anything though
@tetraxis3011
@tetraxis3011 Жыл бұрын
Or a Mig 21 with those Russian air to air Hypersonic missiles(Mach 6 capable).
@user-un7yu1oo5y
@user-un7yu1oo5y 11 ай бұрын
This is beyond satisfying. Mig 21 is always one of my imagin enemy since childhood. I absolutely how they modernized post-soviet weapons. I mean, the early migs/AK/Soviet tanks are such good villain materials, ugly, rough, and robust.😂😂😂
@A_Niazi
@A_Niazi Жыл бұрын
Cool vid and to clear some doubt, the PAF has JHMCS for all F-16s except one squadron which uses the F-16ADFs
@gaiofattos2
@gaiofattos2 Жыл бұрын
Mig-21 modernized vs F-4 with derby missiles would be wild.
@RealPlatoishere
@RealPlatoishere Жыл бұрын
Mig 21 bison have significant advantages there
@vaclavkolar6750
@vaclavkolar6750 Жыл бұрын
Looks like MiG-21 airframe aged like a wine here.
@Stinger522
@Stinger522 Жыл бұрын
A good fight and cheers to the Viper FTW. The last thing I heard about India's Mig-21s was they were grounded after one too many crashes. Those things are flying coffins.
@RCLepcha
@RCLepcha Жыл бұрын
Due to their old age they're getting replaced by the LCA Tejas which will carry the meteor, R77s, Astra MK1 BVR missile
@Dangermonkey1000
@Dangermonkey1000 Жыл бұрын
its 60 year old jet.....what you expect
@RealPlatoishere
@RealPlatoishere Жыл бұрын
The airframes are past their life
@RealPlatoishere
@RealPlatoishere Жыл бұрын
​@@Dangermonkey1000nearly 70
@A7XKoRnRocks1
@A7XKoRnRocks1 Жыл бұрын
That was one hell of a fight, amazing.
@indranillahiri94
@indranillahiri94 Жыл бұрын
Would have loved it if you could fly the bison instead of the F-16. Have seen you flying the F-16 a lot, would love to see you fly some Russian aircraft
@Ba5edAF
@Ba5edAF Жыл бұрын
We all know the F16 won't have a chance if GS was flying the MIG21... Remember this was a Pakistani F16... Not US/Nato
@Abdul.Haseeb70
@Abdul.Haseeb70 Жыл бұрын
⁠@@Ba5edAFin reality over 500 Indian migs have been lost in accidents and only 10 f 16 of PAF sooyou need to take a pill of tolerance and to stay low
@SpiderWuss69420
@SpiderWuss69420 Жыл бұрын
Because Mig 21 is much older aircraft and less reliable. But in terms of A2A capabilities the Mig 21 bison can compete with Pakistani F16s. Because most of the F16s Pakistan use are Block 15 variants (They may have some advanced variants).
@Dangermonkey1000
@Dangermonkey1000 Жыл бұрын
@@Abdul.Haseeb70 ......indian mig 21 are 60 year old aircraft......we will see how f16 perform after getting old.
@bromanguydude
@bromanguydude Жыл бұрын
Unfortunate that you didn't keep with your underdog trend, though this was still a fun match to watch.
@sanskartiwari2785
@sanskartiwari2785 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see you fly the bison against any opponent GS
@b2tall239
@b2tall239 Жыл бұрын
I've always felt the late-model 21s are the best looking jet fighters ever....excellent "Evil Empire" retro-cool. And yep....I'm a red-blooded 'Murican 😁
@axonix
@axonix Жыл бұрын
it was actually a duel that was breathtaking
@ThePhilosophyOfNature
@ThePhilosophyOfNature Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks!
@maxl4291
@maxl4291 Жыл бұрын
Be nice to see you fly and win in the bison vs Viper..! or a few bandits unknown...
@Tfisgoingon69
@Tfisgoingon69 Жыл бұрын
Now do this fight with the mig-21 perspective also would love to see dog fights between the two from both perspective
@ARandomHumanBein
@ARandomHumanBein Жыл бұрын
I didn't know there were any versions of the MiG-21 in DCS other then the Bis
@cyberpunkdreams
@cyberpunkdreams Жыл бұрын
I saw a talk on KZfaq by an F-22 pilot who said the Mig-21 Bison was the only plane he was worried about, due to it's speed, jamming capability and modern missiles.
@talha6852
@talha6852 Жыл бұрын
He was joking probably
@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын
Lol ya I wouldn’t read too much into that.
@thatoneguy1741
@thatoneguy1741 Жыл бұрын
An F22 cmon now 😂
@jamesrichardson8484
@jamesrichardson8484 Жыл бұрын
I'd have bought it if you said an older f-16 or something. An F-22 come on.
@airwi3268
@airwi3268 Жыл бұрын
Always love the videos, quick question, im trying to to get involved with DCS, what do you use to look around the aircraft, is it mouse/joystick oriented? or is it VR?
@Simo_1609
@Simo_1609 Жыл бұрын
I want to know too
@Crackzilla89
@Crackzilla89 Жыл бұрын
Some people use track IR, but personally I use the hat on my flight stick to control my head. Its probably not as good as track IR or a VR setup but it works for me
@Firealchemist24
@Firealchemist24 Жыл бұрын
Most likely TrackIR.
@airwi3268
@airwi3268 Жыл бұрын
Thanks guys
@darthvader5558
@darthvader5558 9 ай бұрын
The Indian Airforce has plans to completely retire the MIG 21 BISON by 2025-27, as of now they have already started to phase out their older squadrons. Great video as always bro 👍
@PC-tz6rw
@PC-tz6rw 2 ай бұрын
"Phase" out please!
@darthvader5558
@darthvader5558 2 ай бұрын
@@PC-tz6rw done, thanks for the correction mate
@PC-tz6rw
@PC-tz6rw 2 ай бұрын
@@darthvader5558 just an oversight, I am sure. 👍
@joelcueto2460
@joelcueto2460 Жыл бұрын
And that bison did give that F-16 a hell of a fight, imagine all the Amraam and Sidewinders were used, so much for a modernized generation 3 fighter standing up against a modernized generation 4 fighter. And the skill of that Mig-21 pilot is also top notch, my hats off to that pilot.
@kentyannayon3741
@kentyannayon3741 Жыл бұрын
I wish these discounts were there when I was buying my hangar, but I tend to bite on pre-orders when I'm interested in aircraft such as the F-16 and F-18. A MiG-21 Bison officially produced would be absolutely AWESOME though. I personally would be very interested.
@kaseyrobbins753
@kaseyrobbins753 Жыл бұрын
i love watching your fox-3 bvr fights..do an f-16 vs mutiple chinese bandits over mountain terrain
@SabertoothedFrostbite
@SabertoothedFrostbite Жыл бұрын
I really wish you would fly aircraft like the mig 21 in these videos instead of just flying the F-16 every time
@CGoody564
@CGoody564 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what the cost/benefit ratio is upgrading an older jet like the mig21 compared to building a new one.
@onasknox9284
@onasknox9284 Жыл бұрын
I'd live to see another stealth package bombing run, with stealth backup!
@welcomb
@welcomb Жыл бұрын
The first aim9 looked like it ran out of propellant just before impact and fell behind. Wonder if the guidance computer takes that into account cos it seemed like it was accelerating to the target then suddenly lost thrust at the last second. Could it have taken a different intercept path if it knew it would be gliding at the final seconds?
@GrowlingSidewinder
@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын
well missiles deff understand that they will be gliding, amraams and other fox3s only burn for 7-12 seconds max, they use whatever kinetic energy they have at that point to hit the target. So the guidance is not dependent on burn, the missile is constantly trying to intercept regardless of energy state.
@JTST1234
@JTST1234 11 ай бұрын
The Indians fly their Mig21s along with their Su-30MKIs. Its a very interesting combo with the Mig21 being almost invisible to radar and the Su-30MKI having a massive radar and jammer.
@subjectc7505
@subjectc7505 Жыл бұрын
It's possible, idk why people keep thinking aircraft like the Bison can't keep up with 4th generation aircraft. It's about skill and training of the pilot. Anything can smoke another.
@kimchi2780
@kimchi2780 Жыл бұрын
Mostly because it had problems with its own generation.
@gabrielcox3599
@gabrielcox3599 Жыл бұрын
Would love it if you did more WW2 stuff!!!! Love your vids.
@drakedragapult671
@drakedragapult671 Жыл бұрын
Can you do this fight again, but from the MiG's perspective?
@anomaly_echelon7994
@anomaly_echelon7994 Жыл бұрын
14:07 the moment an Aim-9x turned a fighter jet into a pencil
@andersonklein3587
@andersonklein3587 Жыл бұрын
Lately the Fox 3 missiles have been extremely ineffective in the videos. I guess so long as you respect the MAR and you are a really experienced pilot the kill chance is almost 0. And since you have consistently been adding SAMs to the matches the MAR is always tiny. It does raise a real world question as to why the US hasn't developed the FMRAAM or at least something like Meteor, that ramjet design turns any plane into a Mig-31 interceptor level of BVR threat.
@manofchaitea6904
@manofchaitea6904 Жыл бұрын
Yet it is believed that modern dog fights wont happen because of stealth and BVR...At 20 miles, stealth jets are no longer stealthy from that close range.
@Thomas-fz9xw
@Thomas-fz9xw Жыл бұрын
They actually did develop something like that--the AIM-152. But funding collapsed when the Soviet Union did. After that, the US fought almost exclusively non-peer enemies, and developed stealth aircraft that closed the range gap. It's only recently that they started developing new long-range missiles due to near-peer threats.
@gabrielguerrero2099
@gabrielguerrero2099 Жыл бұрын
i dont know if you could do this but itd be interesting to see a similar set up for an f104
@cliffordclaussen2321
@cliffordclaussen2321 Жыл бұрын
Looked like a bat out of hell coming around that mountain behind that mig
@davidgherardi7414
@davidgherardi7414 Жыл бұрын
Hot damn! That came down to the wire.
@mclaggen6144
@mclaggen6144 Жыл бұрын
Always loved the mig21 how can a pencil with wings look so good
@skykaptain007
@skykaptain007 Жыл бұрын
The "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick" defense
@jaagratsolanki
@jaagratsolanki Жыл бұрын
would be interesting to see a video on theoretical build of the "super" sukhoi's that india is planning by upgrading su30 with AESA radars, and maybe even meteor missiles added to
@petrsafranek5725
@petrsafranek5725 Жыл бұрын
So the best Sukhois are the ones with western radar, western missiles and improved engines? Nice
@SpontaneousENT12
@SpontaneousENT12 Жыл бұрын
​@@petrsafranek5725it will have indian made Radar
@utkarshchaurasia2233
@utkarshchaurasia2233 Жыл бұрын
​@@petrsafranek5725western radar and missiles are significantly better due to budget
@petrsafranek5725
@petrsafranek5725 Жыл бұрын
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 But people under every aviatic video will argue, that SU or MiG is better than anything western all the time...
@utkarshchaurasia2233
@utkarshchaurasia2233 Жыл бұрын
@@petrsafranek5725 well su and mig make good airframes so you can say that in some cases they are better. For example compared to the f18
@esbuenodun
@esbuenodun Жыл бұрын
Turning your head around and seeing that viper on your 6 must be terrifying.
@emmavaria
@emmavaria Жыл бұрын
Fortunately the MiG-21 has no rearward visibility, so the pilot never had to go through that.
@shawnhua9762
@shawnhua9762 Жыл бұрын
Really wanna see GS flying Mig-21s fighting against modern jets.
@DylanDavidVindasLopez
@DylanDavidVindasLopez Жыл бұрын
the mig 21 bison story would make fo a great mini-doc video
@thekingofmohawks8449
@thekingofmohawks8449 Жыл бұрын
Could you do the slowest plane you have against the fastest plane you have?
@manmonkee
@manmonkee Жыл бұрын
8:28 Blue car on the outside, brown on the inside now.
@sohaibrehan4256
@sohaibrehan4256 6 ай бұрын
Yeah i actually see those pic on 19th fed but they removed quick a su30 was done in the other side of the control line maybe some place where the chopper got done…!🏁
@Trades46
@Trades46 Жыл бұрын
I wasn't expecting the MiG-21to be a threat either. Good fight.
@IndianArma
@IndianArma Жыл бұрын
Mig 21 bison is not quite your run if the mill mig 21 bis
@ShabbirAnsary
@ShabbirAnsary Жыл бұрын
There is also a Chinese version of Mig-21, J- 7. Would be interesting to see it against F-16 or Su -30
@Python489
@Python489 Жыл бұрын
Chinese super galactic fighter Jf 17 thunder nahi bologey???LOL... bhikari country saala
@debbiestimac5175
@debbiestimac5175 Жыл бұрын
Well said about adversary capabilities, optimistic by attitude... pessimistic by policy, especially when you have no visual I.D., even with it you can fall prey to confirmation bias.
@FabricioSTH
@FabricioSTH Жыл бұрын
Where the radar dish is located on the Mig-21? It has some issues on the "nose cone".
@donaldfisher2406
@donaldfisher2406 Жыл бұрын
GS: "Try spinning. That's a good trick."
@terminusarms113
@terminusarms113 Жыл бұрын
Come on GS, we’ve known about the tactical roll since 97 at least, even Peppy from Star Fox 64 knew about the barrel roll
@robinh82d
@robinh82d Жыл бұрын
11:40 So when we don't report back I think we can all guess the answer 😂😂
@Bu9PowderDust
@Bu9PowderDust Жыл бұрын
Great video now for some F-15 tutorials SVP
@s3viking214
@s3viking214 Жыл бұрын
Maybe its just me but when u jettison the tanks arent the pylons supposed to stay on the aircraft? I see that the entire pylon was jettied off
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