It would be first to hear you on KZfaq!

That's incredible. Welcome to Christ's church, brother! I can see why you would turn to atheism after leaving LDS. You feel like everyone's lying. But there's still a truth and life in the Bible that you were missing. Glad you found it.

God bless. I knew a number who left Mormonism, became atheists and remained atheists. It seems that the hurdle of having felt and been lied to about the "truth" of Mormonism was too much for some, and so they decide that it's just all lies. Which is really a shame.

​@@fashakinbanke3671One simple answer. Paul said even if an angel of God come down and teach you another Gospel do not trust. In the case lf mormon and islam it is the same thing. An "angel" came and turned them against Biblical Gospel and taught them that Jesus is not God.

I praise the Lord for your salvation, brother❤

Pretty common for Ex-Moes to go over to atheism. A very high percentage do just that unfortunately. I'm so glad you discovered Jesus and allowed Him into your life.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination.

What's LDS?

​@@dylanwilliams2202so when people convert how long does it take them to finally be equal with you? Go to church a few times then be better than everyone else but still fighting your way to the top within your brotherhood? How does it work once you've made the denomination change and become better than everyone else?

​@dylanwilliams2202 your words might as well be from Satan himself. You have fallen for the serpent's lie, "You will be like God." John 8:58 "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'" Jesus claimed to be the great I Am. The God of Creation. He is not one of many. He is I AM.

Mormons believe that, unless you believe Joseph Smith was the Prophet of God, you cannot put your faith in Jesus Christ to be saved. Mormonism is just like Islam, but Islam uses Muhammad, and the Quran is nothing like the Mormon Bible, and Islam has a longer track record, but, fundamentally, they are similar

Do you believe Muslims will be saved?

Is it possible that YOU don't believe in the biblical Jesus? The trinity is never mentioned in the bible.

@@kissinkatebarlow It's not mentioned super directly, but we do have hints, like when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, Jesus rose from the water, and a dove came down, which was the Holy Spirit, and then God the Father spoke, saying, "This is My Own dear Son, with Whom I Am pleased".

@@Hi-jw7oq They haven't accepted Jesus as their Savior. Therefore, they are not saved

So.... Did the heavens weep over Lucifer's falling? Was Lucifer an angel who fell from the presence of God, whom the heavens wept over? So now explain to me why Lucifer could not have been a fallen spirit child of God? Else why weep over an angel who fell from the presence of God?

Technically, it is a misrepresentation of concepts. Satan means "adversary" in Hebrew. By becoming Satan, Lucifer forsake any childship from The Father and thus any brotherhood with us or Jesus. Meanwhile, this is being used to messily cover up a very basic concept that Jesus told Mary in the garden of the tomb He was buried in, that Jesus is OUR brother, too. That you have the potential to become like the Father as Jesus told us to be in The Beattitudes (Matthew 5:48).

@@Charistoph So Lucifer was at one point a child of God that fell? That's all we're saying. He forsook childship, nonetheless was one of God's children. We all were. Spirits in bodies, and those who forsook their childship were all children of God. May God bless you and yours! ❤️

@@xrpreacher6000, you and I are both saying that. But I guess people would have to try and read The Bible and try to apply a thing called "context" and remember a lot of this stuff in order to understand such a concept.

@@Charistoph Well, very true. It's a very large text to try and conceptualize the fullness of the gospel plan. I'm grateful for a living prophet!

Dear Father God, I pray Ali’s grandma trusts your Son Jesus for who He really is and what He accomplished on the cross for her before her last breath. Give Ali the opportunities and boldness to share the true gospel and the true Jesus with her and that grandma’s spiritual eyes would be opened. I pray grandma would love the truth and be saved! In Jesus name, amen.

@@toliveischrist950 Yes God, I agree with this prayer for Ali's GGma and echo it for all the family that doesn't know the true God and Jesus and that He is the way, the truth and life!

What do you think Paul meant by the third heaven?

Go tell Gma about Jesus! I dn and I regret it EVERY. DAY. Don’t be like me!

@@HaleStorm49 what do you think Jesus meant about hell? What do you think Paul meant when he said no one would be married in heaven? What do you think he meant when he said people would follow another Jesus or another gospel given by even a supposed angel?

Bless you. Mormons are some of the sweetest people, and they take care of each other the way Christians should. They just have the essential doctrines wrong. I hope we can lead them all to the truth of the Gospel.

@@JoshDub78 amen

Is that true that in Mormon communities incest and polygamy are common?

Only in that he likes to lie just like you do.

@@joaopedrobaggio4475 Nope

There's some really good testimonies of ex-Mormons here on KZfaq if you scour around.

Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.

I hear a lot of people on the internet say they have become “born again” or they are a “born again Christian” but I’m just wondering how do I become born again? Do I need to pray a special prayer? And how do I know if I am born again or not?

Most people in any Christian faith haven't read the bible.

True. The Book of Mormon and Pearl of great price and D & C are the things used.

@@scottm4975 Pew polls had it at around 25% for Protestants and 15% of Catholics and that was back in 2000 if I recall.

I'm not sure that I'd agree that most haven't read the Bible (also an ex-Mormon). But I think it's more the WAY most have read the Bible - according to a set reading plan, with certain scriptures emphasized, others glossed over, and all explained through a certain lens. (For example, have you noticed how quickly the reading plans zip through the Epistles?) It's hard to then read the Bible just as the Bible, without that LDS lens. Takes some work.

@@scottm4975 that's hilarious propaganda as Christians read the Bible every Sunday as a text for the message! Sunday school is also another place where you go through the whole Bible: Children start in the Old Testament and age appropriate stores are taught and then the New Testament is taught: some people like you just repeat ignorance you have heard!

Can you go more in depth. I have a Mormon friend I want to how to evangelize to him

​@@KM_4991Yes, I would like that also. Please help us to help them.

True

You guys should check out the videos Mr. Winger has made and mentioned, most likely more informative than what OP stated. Rebeccapalo, praise God you found truth!

@@infinity.1.0Watch the video. Then work your way through the play list that Mike set up just for you.

Much of what we find in the Book of Abraham showed up in the Dead Sea scrolls when they were unearthed about 100 years later. Case reopened.

@@brittianyclements1821 Lol grasping at straws now? The Rosetta Stone disproves Mormonism, outright. Case closed.

@@philbrooks5979 so you think the Dead Sea Scrolls are meaningless? I don't understand.

@@brittianyclements1821 Compare Smith's translation to one made by Egyptologists. Case closed.

@@philbrooks5979 You aren’t listening to what I’m saying.

...and yet...members of The Church of Jesus Christ are still faithful disciples and believers of Jesus Christ no matter what you teach your family.

@@leilettesartoga7276how can they be faithful believers and disciples of Jesus Christ while they’re teaching a different gospel? Revelation 22:18-19 adding and subtracting from the word of God will be cursed. JS adding to the bible his own twisting gospel and you need to see it for yourself. To test a prophet we need to look at Deut18:18-22 JS prophecy has been failed multiple times throughout history and that prove of a false prophet

@@leilettesartoga7276 "..and yet...members of The Church of Jesus Christ are still faithful disciples and believers of Jesus Christ no matter what you teach your family." Yes, of course they are faithful disciples and believers of Jesus Christ. The problem arises when their church holds ransom their relationship and standing with Jesus Christ.

@@cindyisa10 "Holds ransom"? So ridiculous. Hold ransom like a father is "burdened" or held ransom with the care of his family? Do you mean members of the Church of Jesus Christ are a covenant making and keeping people? These covenants - like promises made at the time of marriage or parenting have responsibilities and blessings. They refine us into better people - they don't "hold folks ransom". It is only an immature, selfish spouse that would view their marital vows as being held for ransom. This is clearly not the right perspective.

​@tesartoga7276 I mean ransom in the sense that your membership status and standing is more important than your personal relationship with Jesus/God himself. Your salvation/exaltation is completely dependent on your membership status within the organization. A woman must have a male priesthood holder to accompany them into the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom. In John 14:6, Jesus says that “no man cometh unto the Father except, but by me”. We don't need the priesthood, our husbands, or leaders to intercede for us. We can go straight to Jesus whether it’s in prayer or when we die. There should be NO ONE coming between us and Jesus. God bless you.

Christianity is still a religion, but it’s the only religion that is not only true but where you can have a relationship with the true living God. Many verses in the NT call Christianity a religion. that term is nothing to be scared of

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. If you didn't have Jesus Christ in your life before then you weren't living the gospel correctly.

@@dylanwilliams2202 why do you think that

@@Fredrickthe2nd Because I prayed to God and he gave me the answer. And then I tested it by reading/studying the scriptures and history and found that Christianity has been corrupted by false doctrine that either isn't in the Bible or not what Early Church Fathers taught.

@@dylanwilliams2202 can you tell me what you found

Ah, but disagreeing with a self-called priest does not mean one is disagreeing with Jesus. Especially when those priests disagree with prophets and apostles.

​@Charistoph right....

@@quantumfrost9467, Every Reformer disagreed with the priests of their day. Did they stop being Christian?

@@Charistoph Do you recall Jesus Christ requiring 10% of anyone's income? The blind man, the lame, the lepers, the woman at the well, the dead men, the demon possessed man, the thief on the cross...........? Christ told the Pharisees that they were of their father the devil because they refused to believe that he was God. John 8 Christ said that their sins would not be forgiven and they would be condemned.

@@Elizabeth-rk3do, your questions are rather non-sequitur and ignorant of the scriptures. While requiring 10% of anyone's income was never stated, there is an offer of blessings for those who do. "8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts. 12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts." - Malachi 3 - KJV. "41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. 42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: 44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living." - Mark 12 - KJV. Is it wrong to encourage people sacrifice to receive blessings promised by God? By your statement it is, but then, you are like the Pharisee and not the widow in this comparison. Interesting you bring up the Pharisees. Those were the leaders of the Church in Jesus' time, the equivalent of the Protestant Priest of our day. Jesus disagreed with them. By your statement, you are saying that Jesus should be the condemned for going against the mainstream leadership of His day. Wherein does The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints deny the Godhood of the Lord Jesus Christ? The answer is, they never have, and they should never will. That we deny the Trinity (which is not found in The Bible as presented by the Athanasian Creed) is well known, but that is a God that The Bible denies for The Bible speaks of a God with parts and passions, having a face and bowels, having wrath and compassion, all of which the Creed denies.

And many Christians shun the crucifix for a similar reason.

@@jackdaw6359 They are not Christians then.

@@garys.2291 So you worship the cross then.

@@brittianyclements1821 All Christians worship Jesus and the cross is the universal symbol across all of Christianity. Mormons wouldn't know.

@@brittianyclements1821 accepting the Cross as the symbol of our salvation is not the same as worshiping it. You are making a huge jump. Ironically this organization worships Joey when they sing "Praise to the Man".

Isaiah 43:10 - Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. Isaiah 44:6-8 - Is there any God besides me. I know not one. Isaiah 45:5 - apart from me there is no God.

Figurative language. Read Isaiah 47:10 & Zepheniah 2:15

@@chasejohnson5644 it's only figurative if you assume that way. No, it is literal otherwise the entire Bible is pointless if it is 100% figurative language. Why would the word never pass away and endure forever if it was just figurative language meant as poetry and prose if it had no real value?

That's a ridiculous leap in logic. Figurative language is all over the Bible. The Book of Revelation, Ezekiel, the Parables of Jesus. The Bible is still true.

@@chasejohnson5644? What leaps of logic will you use to explain how God uses a declaration about His name as figurative language? "Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior." What on earth is figurative here?

John 10:27-29

Christianity is a FAITH, not a "religion," !!! 💗🕊️💗🕊️💗🕊️💗

If you listen to this, do you ever balance it with what the LDS church actually teaches? This site is like going to a plumber when your car is not running.

​@@misssue1824Believing in Mormonism is worse than calling a plumber. It's like believing when your car breaks down Han Solo is going to give you a ride to work in the Millennium Falcon... all you have to do is live a perfect life and he'll come pick you up, because he is "H. Ford" and "H. Ford" created the automobile, so he has the means to get you where you're trying to go even though you know it sounds crazy. Just because the name kinda matches doesn't make them the same person. You can call Harrison Ford "H. Ford", but that doesn't make him the real Henry Ford. LDS's Jesus (the first born of Elohim and Heavenly Mother, sibling of Lucifer), and Jesus the only begotten son of God can not be one in the same. Secondly, even if it was the same guy, the beliefs are still wrong... Henry Ford didn't create the automobile anyways. Just like Elohim had a god before him, he is not the ETERNAL GOD of the Bible. Like Joseph Smith, He just came along later and said y'all are making cars wrong and changed the methods. Plus, you'll never be good enough to earn a ride on his spaceship. It's such a distorted way of thinking. And even if you were perfect, there's not really a Hans Solo or a spaceship. Just like the LDS Jesus, Elohim, and Heavenly Mother... it's just a made up story. A perversion of the truth. If you want to really get where you're trying to go (Eternal Life / Heaven), you have to put your faith in the real Jesus of the Bible and Him alone.

I know what it teaches. It teaches you can be your own god, so you need to have as many kids as you can to populate your own planet! , and a lot of wives help, that black people carry the mark of Cain. My own babysitter told me this! I guess it’s not all bad, as long as you conform, kindof like, oh 19 kids and counting, if you don’t mind having a kid every possible time you can, speaking of her, she couldn’t possibly have had all those kids if she breastfed🤔and if you don’t mind being micromanaged until you are in charge of your own tribe. Well, if you’re a man. If you’re a woman, breed, as many as possible! Your husband has a planet waiting for him! And you, his other wives, and all your offspring! 👍 Period. Jesus has nothing to do with it, I was VERY surprised to see images of him in a recent documentary. He was not in one Mormon house I ever saw and when I was I kid there were at least 10 families within 3 blocks. I never saw one image of Jesus.

Jenkins KNOWS the difference but is controlled opposition and one World Ecumenical. Evil stuff.

So then they don't love Jesus.

Doesn't a different God help us? A God that make us gods? Sounds like the God we want to worship at the end of the day right? Very motivating and creates a path towards exaltation. B/C the church operates on revelation our understanding of Jesus can grow and we can realize there was more to his sacrifice.

@@harshitgarg419this is blasphemous, so believe that we can become gods. 💯 against the Bible. God has been God through all eternity. There are no other gods.

God himself would disagree, he acknowledges other gods but explicitly tell us to worship him. bible talks about heavenly father giving us perfect bodies in heaven and perfect minds which equals being A god @@EmeryShae

I hope you were both loving, gentle, and warm? I bet you were. That's what Mormon missionaries really need - every time a Christian is mean to them their fears are confirmed.

@@sia9907 Then I ask you => has God put the fate of all humanity into the mixed up, chaotic world and beliefs of Christendom ? Be honest => you only believe 3% will go to heaven anyway => so you or these other sweet people pooching it for the LDS really means nothing in the scheme of things, correct?

I'd encourage you to study the "Divine Council Worldview" as articulated by Dr. Michael Heiser. I've found it to be very fruitful in ministering to Mormons as it shows how some of their proof texts for key doctrines don't fit with what the authors were communicating in their Ancieny Near East perspective. Psalm 82, Deut. 32: 8,9 are a few examples.

@@13kimosabi13 I'd answer if you were asking sincerely and without aggression. If you just want to be angry online, you're on your own.

We are not "Mormons." We are members of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints." We worship God and His perfect son. We believe that we are saved through Jesus Christ's grace. We read and believe in the Bible. We believe in repentance and covenant keeping. We keep the law of Chasity. We don't steal or cheat. We don't drink beer or smoke. We pay tithes and offerings, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and visit the sick. We believe that abortion is wrong, that marriage is only between man and woman, and that gender is not fluid. We are living good Christian lives. But in the end, only God can judge that. You can say what you will of us. It doesn't change the truth.❤

The non Trinitarian argument is overwhelming. Jesus said that his Father is greater than him, John 14:26-28. That seems clear cut, while the trinity is never mentioned in Scripture. From Abraham to Jesus followers of YHWH were Mnotheists, why should that change later? Even at Nicea they didn't have modern Trinitarian theology, half the winning side were macedonianists, Binitarians.

Ex Mormon here also. Can confirm.

Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.

Stop it you were never "devout" only a fraud and a poser.

@@JohnDLee-im4lo No such love as Mormon hate.

@@JohnDLee-im4lo please do the pre-work ahead of time rather than waiting for them to do it on their own. It's not very strong when they do it on their own accord, makes you look weak. There are a lot more that doubt that you haven't done your homework.

MANY will come in My Name, but I do not know them.....do we worship and follow the Jesus Yeshua of the Bible? A non catholic version as they worship a different Jesus who is not sufficient.

​@@joinjen3854​​I already explained that I understand they're not saved. I would hope my brothers and sisters in Christ would have a little grace for a sibling who was in the bargaining stage of grief.

They're not going to hell if they're good people. God isn't a monster. Here's who will go to hell, from Revelation: But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

​@@sia9907They're the best people I know, but they're still sinners who need to be redeemed.

It IS so heartbreaking to watch our loved ones turn their back on the truth and throw God's love and provision back in His face. Some of us understand what you are going through and are praying for you and them. ❤ And remember, their story isn't over yet.

And islam! All false religions are being exposed thanks to the internet

John 15:18 If the world hate you, know that it hated me before it hated you

That's a good thing! Though🤣

Proper discernment would be the most dangerous thing for Mormonism. The internet just helps more people see that.

We are not "Mormons." We are members of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints." We worship God and His perfect son. We believe that we are saved through Jesus Christ's grace. We read and believe in the Bible. We believe in repentance and covenant keeping. We keep the law of Chasity. We don't steal or cheat. We don't drink beer or smoke. We pay tithes and offerings, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and visit the sick. We believe that abortion is wrong, that marriage is only between man and woman, and that gender is not fluid. We are living good Christian lives. But in the end, only God can judge that. You can say what you will of us. It doesn't change the truth.❤

As an LDS member I can affirm that we 100% believe we're saved by grace too. We tend to emphasize works more than others because "faith without works is dead" but we know it's our Savior who redeems us.

I agree. We all need to hear the gospel daily. We tend to forget it.

​​@@bonddenhalter7243According to my understanding (and I could be wrong), Mormons believe there are different tiers or levels of Heaven. If you keep a list of certain rules (like being married in the temple, never drinking coffee, etc.), you can get into the highest tier of Heaven. But you can only get there if you keep all of those specific rules. Otherwise you will be in a lower tier. That sounds like works-based salvation to me. You're still earning your way up. In the Christian belief, there is only one Heaven, and we get there directly through Jesus and what He did for us on the cross. It has nothing to do with anything we did, and we can't earn it by keeping a list of rules. Also, Christianity teaches that there is only one God. "Before me there was no God formed, and there will be none after me." -Isaiah 43:10b, and "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." -Galations 1:8. Mormons believe there can be many gods, that we actually all have the potential to become gods, and that an angel came down with another gospel. This is fundamentally different from Christianity and what the Bible itself teaches. God knew that people would try to start their own, shoot-off religions, often through acclaimed revelations. Mohammed said he saw an angel too that told him the Bible was corrupted and he needed to fix the errors. But what did Mohammed do? He wrote himself into the Bible. Joseph Smith did a similar thing, painting himself as a prophet and giving commands that he wanted. For example, he wanted multiple wives even though God says marriage is between one man and one woman. So he came up with a gospel that fit his own preferences. God specifically warns against this because He knew it would happen and many people would be deceived. That's why Christianity and Mormonism are fundamentally different.

I agree…in one way or another I always speak or hear the gospel everyday. When you’ve been deceived over and over reminding oneself of the true gospel daily is wise!

​@@karisgranger6013The three heavens comes from Paul in the New Testament. He references them in two different places. Apparently the "real" Christians don't teach about them.

Thank you for sharing your testimony!

That's so interesting. I'm a Christian and have been attending my church for just over a year. Yesterday some Mormons came to my door and I decided to hear them out and they gave me a Book of Mormon. I thought 'hey, I could read it. I don't know much about it. It's just non-canon parts of the Bible, right?'. Then I saw this video, and I read your comment. Btw, I found it really strange that they had these titles and name badges identifying as Elders. They were maybe 17 years old, high school age.

Jeremiah has some great counsel on this, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; Who can understand it?" The scripture you quoted in Matthew isn't applied correctly in your situation. You heard the word of the kingdom and before you really understood it...the wicked one changed your heart to keep you away from it and in spiritual darkness/ambiguity. You made a mistake.

@@HaleStorm49 The Holy Spirit guided me away from the accursed Book of Mormon which, like the Koran, was dictated by demons to Joseph Smith and the (false) prophet Mohammad. Both are in the same category. The Gospel of Joseph Smith is "another gospel". It is not the Gospel preached by the apostles. “But though we, or an angel from heaven (in this case Moroni), preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” --Galatians 1:8

@@rodiusmaximus That is odd and cannot be a coincidence. I too had only been a Christian for little over a year. Satan knows who we are. We popped up on his radar and so he sent the Mormons to do his dirty work. In some cases Satan uses Jehovah Witnesses, or Bahai, or many others.

they like to give the appearance of being christian when it suits their purpose. i wish they would give it up because it is very deceptive and doesn't help them a bit with their proselytizing efforts. there are 68,000 mormon missionaries. google says There is a 'yearly, church-wide average' of just under 300,000 'convert baptisms' each year. that makes 4 converts per missionary a year. let's say 1 is active after a year. the point being, their missionary effort is a complete waste of time and money. if they ran it like a business, and if they didn't have enough money to pour down every rat hole, it would be bankrupt. they know. they can read the charts as clearly as anyone. that's why they're making so many changes nowadays.

@@longnamenocansayy on that point, JWs (WatchTower) is also making many changes for the same reason as they are losing membership also.

Bet you never read it. Pray to God bout it. Trust

@@zenwhirlpool you don't need to read the Harry Potter books to know if they are true. Why read another book of fiction then pray about it? Do you need to pray about the Quran also? I bet you never read that for the same reason.

@@zenwhirlpool I've cross referenced and read the parts that contradict not only with what the Bible says but also what contradicts with the earlier version of the BoM. They've some significant changes over the years.

Were you baptized with them too is there any difference ?

Smith may love Scientology.

He was a Free Mason. You see their ideology of "the craft" in his way of making up a religion and selling it to people. Mohammad did as well and was potentially a Free Mason too. He would of been apart of this today and then some. Like the new fake alien BS which is just advanced human technology being revealed now.

I mean he was more of an entrepreneur which is why he used his church to fund his money making endeavors in the name of God.

Or.. He would be publishing role-playing games at a prodigious rate!

@@basilforth Nah. That's Gygax's "craft" All these idiots call their BS "the Craft" D&D was about teaching the Occult to the public. And tbh it does do a good job with that. But as long as you don't actually go off and believe in these rituals or ideals. Good moral character building game and development for critically thinking. This isn't conspiratorial, Joseph Smith was a prominent Mason Lodge Member. They all worship Satan basically They call him Pan, Ptah, JahBulOn, etc.

We believe in the true God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. Jesus Christ who is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36, John 20:31, Acts 9:20), who is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), who said that God the Father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), who wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). To us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6). How is that not in the Bible? The trinitarian view of God (3 persons 1 being) is not found in the Bible. No verse describes God as 3 persons 1 being in the Old or New Testament, if God was like that then wouldn't you think it would have been explicitly mentioned? It doesn't say that and no honest reading of the Bible would lead you to conclude that God is 3 persons 1 being and every Biblical scholar of all denominations agrees with that. Again, the Bible claims Jesus Christ is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36, John 20:31, Acts 9:20), He is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), He said that God the Father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), He wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). Paul very clearly tells us that to us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6). No where in the Bible does it describe God and Jesus Christ like how you all do and there is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later. _"the Mormon Jesus isn’t the biblical Jesus."_ Then I guess your so called "god" is blasphemy against the true God and Jesus Christ.

Who do you think Jehovah is?

@@dylanwilliams2202You are trying to teach a pig to sing.

@@dylanwilliams2202 notice you put up several lies. All over the place here Dylan. 1. John 14:15-32 2. Matthew 12:25-31 Jesus states the Holy Spirit(Holy ghost, Spirit of Truth, ect) comes directly from the Father just as he himself comes from the Father and is unique from Him. Yet Christ also states he is one with the Father (John 14:6-10). In the same way the Holy Spirit I also connected. 1. In Matthew 12, Christ states blasphemy against the Spirit is a sin. Blasphemy is a very specific term, pertaining to the willfully and often profane rebellion against God. One cannot blaspheme against the angels, men, or demons. Blasphemy is a sin directly tied to the rejection of God. Jesus is pointing out that the Spirit is a part of God separate and unique, but still one with God (John10:30) The Bible Bible a complete book, not to be cherry picked only for the verses you feel are important. Then again, that's precisely how LDS was started, because a man named Joseph Smith did not like what certain parts of the Bible said.

@@NickHawaii If that was for me then sorry of the late responds and Jesus is Jehovah

Pray that their eyes will be open to the truth and not blinded by the lies!!!

Always tell the truth about Jesus. He was with you even on that lonely, country road. I’m sure he sent that person who picked you up your way❤

There's a lot left out of this story.

"1n 1988 I got saved" From what; to what?

@@thomasmaughan4798 saved from eternal punishment because of sin that covers our soul to the eternal life by the grace of Jesus who died so we can cover those sins with His mercy and grace. His righteousness then is imputed on us so that we can stand before Him clean despite the fact we will continue to sin in our time on earth.

John 8:31-32 31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

The truth is believe Jesus is the Son of God and is Lord who died and rose for sins. Romans 10:9-10💝👑

@snowmj To whom the son sets free is free indeed. Love that verse, I pray we all seek God and God alone and find his church by doing that

@@aaronengland2662 Amen. His Church is within those who worship Him in Spirit and Truth. God bless.

@@snowmj , "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19 - KJV Parables of the Talents and the Sheep and the Goats. - Matthew 25:14-30, 31-46 - KJV "If ye love me, keep my commandments." - John 14:15 - KJV " He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." - John 14:21 - KJV "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love." - John 15:10 - KJV

Stop it. You were never "devout". Only a fraud and a poser in the church.

Are you worried your family members will spend eternity in hell? If so, I think it would benefit you if you learned about the alternative views of Annihilationism (unbelievers eventually cease to exist) or universalism (unbelievers will eventually be saved as well). There is support in the bible for both views and there are many people who hold both views. I highly recommend watching Edward Fudge and Rethinking Hell who believe in Annihilationism or Robin Parry and The Total Victory of Christ for Universalism. I genuinely believe that God is too loving to send anyone to hell forever.

My understanding is that Mormons refused to identify with the rest of Christianity untill a few decades ago and then declared they were 'Christians' like everyone else. Guess they felt the need for protective coloration.

Especially since blacks couldn't be priests until 1978 ISLAM/LDS sound similar Especially about polygamy JWs,...believe Jesus is Michael the archangel

I’ve had Christians say to me: “I wish I had community like the Mormons.” So I believe it. People like community.

The Catholics day the same thing. Seems to be a mantra of religious cults. Glad to have you in Christ sister. God bless you and yours

​@Hlord-be4xxThe true, original church was started by Peter in Jerusalem ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven. The church in Rome started decades later. The book of Romans tells us what the church in Rome believed and taught. It was nothing like what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. You should read your Bible. Nothing is more important than where you spend eternity.

Instead of letting everybody worship how, where and what they may; is it more logical to worship how, where and what jesus worship?

@@sethsuleiman4419 I focus less on trying to do exactly what Jesus did, cause I’m not God. And I focus much more on what He wants me to do; as a human and individual.

@@russellj911 I thought (and it is only logical that) jesus taught what (and show us how) god want us to do. Well, jesus is also not god. BTW, He says in john 17:3 that only the father is god, right?

@@sethsuleiman4419 Jesus Christ is Jehovah God. John 8:58

​@@sethsuleiman4419 We try to worship as Jesus taught, but of course we should allow religious freedom for others. Forcing people to follow God was Satan's plan

God bless you. 🙏🏼 ❤️

Except they weren't taught this. What Mike Winger has presented is a corrupted view of our beliefs. I am not in a position to say that he knows he is wrong (and thus lying) or not, but nevertheless, he is presenting a false witness.

@@Charistoph Dear Charis, when you say this, you have been shielded in knowing the truth about the real History of Joseph Smith and the LDS past teaching. What Mike is saying is absolutely factual about the LDS Church.

@@robertrlkatz6890, No, he's not factual. He's quoting either hearsay or outright lies that have been debunked by people who were actually there. I go in to greater detail in another post here if you want more information.

@@Charistoph Dear Charis, the sad thing is that the truth has been hidden from you, my guess would be that you were born after 1970. which then would tell me why you wish to argue with Mike about what he has said, because if you do not know these things that Mike is saying is the truth about the LDS church, would only make me believe you were born after 1970. I hope I am wrong by saying this but I have heard that the Mormons are strongly discouraged in watching certain KZfaq Videos. But if you really care to know more truth than what you already believe you have. You will see a man that has so much Joy in what he found, which is easily seen on his countenance. Which I would think that you would like to know. Watch. Ex-Mormon Shares Powerful Testimony (Must Watch!)

@@robertrlkatz6890, why do you call me "dear" and then insult me, my experiences, and my intelligence. It's funny that you claim that being born after 1970 would cause people to be blinded to this, but I was taught by people before 1970 who are still faithful members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today. So either you're woefully wrong about this judgement, or you're just demonstrating a certain prejudice. You bring nothing but accusations of an age bias. I have read this misinformation presented by people like Mike Winger who think they know our teachings, but continue to misrepresent what was said, or simply repeat lies and hearsay. I have never been told to avoid watching certain KZfaq videos. Not once. If I was, why do you think I would be here? In every "testimony" I've heard from someone claiming to be an "ex-Mormon", they demonstrate their own lack of knowledge, their lazy learning, and taking culture to be doctrine. In almost every case, as well, there was some sin that they were trying to avoid facing, so they reject that which calls it a sin to justify their supposed purity. They grabbed on to half-truths to help in their justification. Half-truths presented by those whose who operate in priest-craft (like Mike Winger), and who just repeat the same things that have been said for the last 200 years, and whose falsehoods can be found with a little bit more work. If I want to listen to trash over and over again, I can go watch something far more entertaining like "Bad Lip Reading" or an anime-abridged series. Those at least are fun to listen to than someone winging over flaws presented by priest-craft.

Paul was a fake apostle and mental midget

I follow Christ, not Paul, the sin of Mormonism is not that it has another prophet, it’s what that prophet said and did. I believe if you truly follow Buddha, I believe if you truly follow Mengzi, I believe if you truly follow Mani, etc. you are fighting for Christ, christs love is everything, his name doesn’t matter he can’t be reduced to just a human symbol which a structure can misuse, because he is more powerful than humanity. This is all to say that everyone who fights for christs love and vision, whether or not they even know his name, are fighting for him. That small man Joseph Smith only worshipped himself, not Christ’s vision, any man who worships the self is following Satan. I believe you can be saved whether or not you are “christian” if you fight for the same vision that Christ did which is to spread gods kingdom and love to as many souls as you can, but if you fight for the self, or to separate your tribe from the rest of humanity, you are following Satan.

@@shakespearefan All our knowledge of Christ comes from the Apostles, Jesus didn't sit down and write the New Testament, he gave the holy spirit to the Apostles and disciples. Peter even states that what Paul wrote is scripture. If you deny Paul's writings, you must also deny Peters's writings. To ignore and deny two of Christ's apostles is to question the validity of everything you know about Christ (since it comes from them) and to be disobedient to Christ and his word.

@@Jack29245 I follow what Christ said through him, not him, of the apostles I follow Philip and Thomas primarily, and I know they do not care who you are or who you say you follow, as long as you follow God

@@Jack29245 Philip said that the names we use for God are always going to obscure God's reality, because no infinitely small human word encompass the infinite greatness of God, therefore, we should not care about the names people follow, we should care about if they are truly following god. Christ is just a name some humans have for God, Buddha is another, we should love our fellow man and their love for god more than small words.

You are mistaken. We don't believe that you have to be a part of our church to be saved. We believe that everyone who chooses to follow God's commands will have the opportunity to be baptized into His church in this life, or in the next. We believe that every righteous soul who has ever lived will have the opportunity to come into Covenant relationship with God someday. We are not "Mormons." We are members of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints." We worship God and His perfect son. We believe that we are saved through Jesus Christ's grace. We read and believe in the Bible. We believe in repentance and covenant keeping. We keep the law of Chasity. We don't steal or cheat. We don't drink beer or smoke. We pay tithes and offerings, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and visit the sick. We believe that abortion is wrong, that marriage is only between man and woman, and that gender is not fluid. We are living good Christian lives. But in the end, only God can judge that. You can say what you will of us. It doesn't change the truth.❤ And by the way. Christ said if ye love me, keep my commandments. Trying to honor God with our works is a part of repentance. You have to accept Christ as your Savior to be saved by his grace. Clearly, you have to love Christ to accept him. And if we can only love him by striving to keep his commandments... then you should see why Latter Day Saints strive to live good lives. We know that we can't save ourselves through works. But we also know that striving to follow God's commandments is an essential part of accepting Christ as our savior. Faith without works is dead. James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

@@MicahRachelleconvert to Christianity pls

Jesus set up one church. Denominations do not exist. Lds are trying to lead people to christ

We keep the law of Chasity. We don't steal or cheat. We don't drink beer or smoke. We pay tithes and offerings, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and visit the sick.@@MicahRachelle That is what you say LDS is teaching now. But it isn't what Joseph Smith taught. How do you reconcile that fact? How can you acknowledge Smith as a true prophet of God and a valid founder of a Christian church, when he taught a very different version of God and a very different means of salvation? Smith said all other churches were abominations, and therefore (obviously) one must be LDS to be saved. Besides that, you state a false, un-Christian belief about salvation: "We believe that everyone who chooses to follow God's commands will have the opportunity to be baptized into His church in this life, or in the next. We believe that every righteous soul who has ever lived will have the opportunity..." Romans 3 says, "There is none righteous, no, not one...they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." James 2:10 says, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is *guilty* of all." Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Hebrews 9:27 says, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." No soul is righteous. No person can merit eternal life. Every person is *guilty* and deserving of condemnation, and if a person does not trust solely in Christ's redemptive death on the cross as full satisfaction for his sins, he is lost forever; there will be *no do-overs* in the afterlife. Don't just regurgitate the doctrines fed to you by the LDS. Stop and actually think about them. Think about *why it was important to you* to write, "We keep the law of Chasity. We don't steal or cheat. We don't drink beer or smoke. We pay tithes and offerings, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and visit the sick." In other words: 'Oh, look how good we LDS are! We do this, we do that, and our goodness and self-righteousness proves we are justified before God!' Isn't it because your LDS church taught you that you have to *prove your worthiness to God?* But in reality, you have just proven LDS to be making the same error as the "foolish Galatians" who began with faith but then started trusting in works and legalisms to supplement God's grace. Gal. 2:16 says, "by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Read Chapters 2 & 3 of Galatians. They were "living good Christian lives" also, and Paul lambasted them. The fact that LDS believe people could be "righteous souls" without having trusted *solely* in Christ (apart from trusting in how properly they live) *during this life* is proof-positive that LDS deviate from genuine Christian faith, sadly.

@@MicahRachellespot on! :)

Current “Mormon” here. What parts of our beliefs do you believe to be false, and why?

​@@Access1296Do you worship Jesus the same way you worship The Father and the Holy Spirit? Because we Christians... We worship Jesus, the Father and Holy Spirit as God. We don't make any distinction in worshipping them. The worship is for God. Also God is Perfect always. God did not become better. He didn't improve. He doesn't improve.

@@jackdaw6359 We believe all 3 are members of the Godhead, and they don't compete for worship. To honor one is to honor them all. We don't have 3 different prayers for each if that's what you were implying. We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. We praise the perfected nature of the Father and the Son. We try to follow the earthly example of Jesus Christ in all we do. We listen for the promptings of the Holy Ghost. Doesn't sound like there's anything wrong with that to me. As far as God is perfect always and never improved, I know you believe that but I don't see anything Biblical that proves that belief of yours absolutely. Even in the story of Jesus he grew. Sure he was always sinless and never repented of anything, but in another sense he improved. "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." (Luke 2:52) He eventually died and rose again in his glorified form, which John 17:5 revealed was the same glory he had before his mortal life. If Jesus Christ can ascend back to His divine form, is it SO wrong a belief to say that maybe there was a progression of glory to begin with? Especially when passages like Romans 8:17 and others say that we can be joint-heirs with Christ, and none of us are anywhere close to him right now.

@@chasejohnson5644 Before Abraham was. Jesus Is. ( I AM) Jesus was God eternal, the One Who Is, incarnate. Jesus improved as a human, but that was because Jesus became man. God became man. He took on human nature. And human nature in a broken world can be improved

@@jackdaw6359 Yep. I agree that Jesus was the Great I AM before being born. And I agree that he became like us so he could lift us up. I know that saying Jesus grew in his mortal life before becoming God again isn't exactly the same thing as saying Godhood itself was something grown into before hand, but I was asking are those 2 beliefs really SO far apart that you think it's inconceivable for a different sect of Christianity to believe that? We all have a lot of different beliefs.

What was your family/ friends’ reaction to the distinction? I have Mormon friends who believe Christian’s and Mormons are one in the same and I don’t put myself in that camp. I’m a Bible believing Christ follower

@@ThePattimelt Honestly, they still struggle to accept it. I think that part of it is that they really do feel like their additional scriptures and teachings of church leaders enhance and clarify their understanding of deity and Jesus' role in things. So like Mike alluded to, they believe that their understanding is the correct one and that as a result, they're the true Christians. In their minds, those who claim that title (Christians) and make it exclusive are part of the church that was lost and it's their beliefs about God and Christ that are incorrect (such as the belief in the Trinity). So videos like this are good, but ultimately the issue is quite broad. I suggest looking at Mike's other videos on Mormonism for more ways to engage your friends. Best of luck!

thank you for posting. I suggest showing them the actual written facts in early mormon literature where joseph smith said all other denominations were abominations. He was very clear. LDS does it's best to hide this now.

@@MBiggens _" it's their beliefs about God and Christ that are incorrect (such as the belief in the Trinity)"_ The trinitarian view of God (3 persons 1 being) is not found in the Bible. No verse describes God as 3 persons 1 being in the Old or New Testament, if God was like that then wouldn't you think it would have been explicitly mentioned? It doesn't say that and no honest reading of the Bible would lead you to conclude that God is 3 persons 1 being and every Biblical scholar of all denominations agrees with that. The Bible claims Jesus Christ is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36, John 20:31, Acts 9:20), He is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), He said that God the Father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), He wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). Paul very clearly tells us that to us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6). No where in the Bible does it describe God and Jesus Christ like how you all do and there is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. You left God and Jesus Christ for falsehoods, I recommend you come back

@@dylanwilliams2202 Thank you for that wall of text reinforcing my point. Unfortunately for you I didn't choose to post what I did with a desire to engage in a debate regarding the validity of the Trinity. I'm sorry that me admitting I recently left the church seemingly makes you feel threatened enough to respond in that way. You might consider why that is. Best wishes to you.

Isn't that a work?

@@fred-62 what do you mean by that?

@@jheni1500 LOL, I think he means that the missionary is doing a good work (for self-justification) in trying to convert you and trying to have you meet with some local missionaries. If you feel on the inside that you are ready to witness to local missionaries face-to-face, then go ahead. If you're not sure, then don't. Be led. You will feel peace about one course of action (from the Holy Spirit) and turmoil about the opposite course of action. 😊

Tell her there FaceTime etc to talk in person, don’t let her go!

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened It's in the book of Matthew chap. 7

❤

Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.

Being baptized with them is there any difference from others?

@@louiefence6579 well baptism is an outward expression of a spiritual transformation that has already happened on the inside. Baptism does not save you and if you aren’t a real believer and then you get baptized, it essentially means nothing. Baptism in the Bible happened after one had already accepted Jesus as their savior and it was basically saying “I am a new creation in Christ Jesus now and I will live my life following in his footsteps.” Mormons, as well as some other religions believe that baptism is a means of salvation, it’s one of the “works” that we can do in order to receive salvation and earn Gods favor. Mormons actually have baptisms for the dead in their temples all the time, which is not biblical at all, once your dead your fate is sealed, you’re either in eternity with God or not. There is nothing we can do to be saved, it is a gift from God, we cannot do anything to earn our salvation as Christians! “8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” Ephesians 2:8-10

Will pray for you Lloyd. Matthew 11:28-29 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Maybe one of these will help. Probably not. But at least we’re thinking about you. 1. A rough time is an opportunity to demonstrate God’s adequacy. Demonstrate it. 2. The Western church system assumes a few years of training is enough. It isn’t. Don’t be afraid to change directions. God may want you to take the scenic route to your career goal. 3. * want to, not “wanna”. You’re a professional, young man. Write like one. (Watch out for substituting ‘of’ for ‘have’, too. ‘Would have’ or ‘would’ve,’ not ‘would of’.) 4. Lord, help Lloyd keep the telos in sight. Give him a compliant heart and dependent will, and then deliver him from this time of learning. Bless him with the grace, knowledge, skill, and wisdom to become a great blessing to his family first, and then to your people.

Lord God, please bless Lloyd right now in all the ways he truly needs. You are a good Father who is always there for him in ways he cannot even know or see. I pray he trusts you in all his circumstances for your help and provision knowing everything will work together for his good because he’s called according to your purposes and he loves you. In Jesus Holy name, Amen!

Pray to Jehovah the God of Jesus. He can help you

@@NickHawaii The pronunciation of YHWH was lost around 400 BC when Jews decided God’s name was too holy to pronounce. At the time of Jesus, the vowels of Adonai were added so the priests could pronounce it again. Now, transliterate that from Hebrew to Greek, to Latin, to English, and you get a bad pronunciation of YHWH. YHWH means “I Am.” Jesus said in Greek, “Ego eimi,” meaning “I am,” when He said, “Before Abraham was, I am.” The Jews understood His claim and wanted to stone Him. Jesus is “Jehovah.”

In the 50' & 6o's

Lol no. No "christian" denomination could do what the LDS church has accomplished. It would take an act of God

@@HaleStorm49 what have they done? Seriously. Call out the accomplishments that no one else has ever done. I know your organization doesn't have the same level of charity support as many others do. So fail on that one.

It is so encouraging to read your testimony!!! There are a lot of former lds that have been saved on here!! I appreciate that you point out one of the craziest of Smith’s easily debunk-able claims about Christ coming to America and that it’s supposed to be the promised land. I pray that many more will escape the influence of those false doctrines and come to faith in Christ!

There are several promised lands even in the bible, america is blessed in all kinds of resources compared to others

You were not baptized in the temple, that isn't how that works,so you're lying. That isn't very Christian of you. Repent and use your energy to stop lying before going after other better Christians.

Don’t they think they’re the last tribes of Israel that came to America randomly too? A cousin once starred in a Mormon produced movie about this. It was crazy

@@dudeofdixie it seems you are not only lying, assuming and a bit arrogant. Repent of this hostile and angry attitude before your judgement.

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2 John 7-11

I love that you have a heart for the missionaries. God bless you in your testimony to them.

Think how many people tried to place stones in Jesus shoes and in the back of His skull. I'm sure they thought they were doing a good thing.

@@HaleStorm49 but Jesus was God who was working toward the salvation of all mankind. The missionaries are sent out against this goal and for the goal of a false organization. So your comparison is flawed.

Renald Showers- There Really Is A Difference Friends of Israel ministry.

Thank you @@Elizabeth-rk3do I will check it out.

Joseph Smith was very anti Christian. Joseph Smith said . . . (Regarding Joseph Smith’s alleged first vision where celestial personages appeared to him) . . . “My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right - and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6). “What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 270). (In questions directed to Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism . . . ). First-“Do you believe the Bible?” If we do, we are the only people under heaven that do, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do.” Third-“Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?” Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness.” (Teachings, page 119). Brigham Young said. . . “But He did send His angel to this same obscure person, Joseph Smith jun., who afterwards became a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and informed him that he should not join any of the religious sects of the day, for they were all wrong,” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, 1855, p. 171). John Taylor said . . . “We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense . . . Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, 1858, p. 167). “Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, 1863, p. 127). The Book of Mormon says. . . “And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth” (1 Nephi 14:10). “And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose foundation is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence. . .” (1 Nephi. 14:17).

@@jlewis8145 Those were all great. You can call out Judas and still follow Christ. Joseph Smith was clearly someone who was inspired by God and filled with the Holy Ghost.

​@@jlewis8145Joseph Smith was very pro christian, he testified of him and spoke to him

@@fred-62 Did Joseph Smith's 'Christ' approve of him committing adultery with a 16 year old girl (Remember Fanny Alger?), sending men on missions and then marrying their wives, promising fathers and mothers a higher spot in heaven if they would let him marry their 14 year old daughters, (Remember Helen Mar Kimball and Nancy Winchester?), marrying two sets of sisters and two sets of a mother and her daughter, printing phony $3 and $4 bills, setting up an 'anti bank' and then move out of state when people want their money, threatening to kill the governor of Missouri, teaching the first lie of Satan, "Ye shall be as gods, speaking to the dead, getting anointed by demons impersonating the dead, etc., etc.? The Jesus Christ of the Bible doesn't teach these abominations. The truth is that the Jesus Christ of the Bible has already sent Joseph Smith to conscious torment in outer darkness/hell. Revelation 21:8 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and sexually immoral, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

with at least 40 wives and an unknown number of combines, one of which was 14, and some of whom were other men's wives, i think it's fair to say the old god joseph smith believed in was his own penis.

I promise you if you went to a local Sunday services of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you would be surprised that it is nothing like what Mike Winger describes. No where in our cannon of scripture does it say God was once a human on a planet. We do believe what it says in Romans 8:17 "and if children, then heirs - heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if so it be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together." We are children of God and as our Father, he wants us to be like him. Many Mormons have attempted to extrapolate out the implications of that, but none of those speculations is codified in our cannon of scripture. Don't believe the Mike Wingers of this world when it comes to what other faiths believe.

​@@devincenatiempo2238Amen!

@@devincenatiempo2238 so I actually DID spend time with missionaries going to the Sunday services for 5 months. In that 5 months there was a lot I learned that made me really wonder how intelligent people can't see the deception. but during my study and reading the B/M something jumped out at me... BIBLE: says you are saved by grace, not of works (Ephesians 2:8-9) B/M: says you are saved by grace, AFTER all you can do (2 Nephi 25:23) Very different in both. Very different. Which one is right?

LDS did believe in something like an infinite, or at least large, regression of Gods, based on an idea of Human Apotheosis. However they also believe in progressive revelation, so they no longer emphasise such ideas, and this is not in conflict with their theology. Remember, the pearl of great price, doctrine and covenants, word of wisdom and pronouncements by modern prophets are considered just as much scripture as the book of Mormon.

I'm thankful for your comment. It seems that Mike could have looked things up that he didn't look up. For example, he could have read what the Joseph Smith Translation says for John 1:1.

That is just semantics, if you inherit everything that the father has, what are you? A god? A superhuman?

@@fred-62 we don't inherit the ability to become a god. That's nonsense. Then He could no longer say that there is only ONE God. Even Alma 11:28-29 says there is only one so this is a contradiction of the book claimed "we know this book is true".

We could say what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

@@chasejohnson5644 so either you claim the Bible contradicts itself or you aren't aware that 'so-called' gods are those that claim to be gods. In those days, many had that concept because they were able to judge others as 'Judges, Magistrates, Police, Courts, etc". These were the 'gods' of their day. If you think men can be a god, then you wold first have to throw away these verses of the Bible so that it wouldn't contradict itself... Isaiah 43:10 Isaiah 44:6-8 Isaiah 45:5 If we read these verses, someone would have to think that God has Alzheimer's if He knows of no other gods. Again, then if there are other gods, Alma 11:28-29 is wrong and you can no longer claim the b/M as "I know this book is true" any longer.

The phrase "I am the one, and there is none beside me," is a figure of speech, as I already said, that was pretty common in the ancient world. It just refers to supremacy, not literally being the only one. Again, read Isaiah 47:10 and Zephaniah 2:15, and you'll see the phrase being used that way. Also in the Corinthians verse, Paul says that there are beings that exist that are called gods both in heaven and in earth. If he was just referring to judges or idols, why does he say there are mulitple gods in heaven? Want more Bible verses? Romans 8:16-17, Psalm 82:1,6, Matthew 5:48, Galatians 4:7, Ephesians 4:11-13, Philippians 3:14-15, 1 John 3:2, and Revelation 3:19.

We are not "Mormons." We are members of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints." We worship God and His perfect son. We believe that we are saved through Jesus Christ's grace. We read and believe in the Bible. We believe in repentance and covenant keeping. We keep the law of Chasity. We don't steal or cheat. We don't drink beer or smoke. We pay tithes and offerings, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and visit the sick. We believe that abortion is wrong, that marriage is only between man and woman, and that gender is not fluid. We are living good Christian lives. But in the end, only God can judge that. You can say what you will of us. It doesn't change the truth.❤ And by the way. Christ said if ye love me, keep my commandments. Trying to honor God with our works is a part of repentance. You have to accept Christ as your Savior to be saved by his grace. Clearly, you have to love Christ to accept him. And if we can only love him by striving to keep his commandments... then you should see why Latter Day Saints strive to live good lives. We know that we can't save ourselves through works. But we also know that striving to follow God's commandments is an essential part of accepting Christ as our savior. Faith without works is dead. James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

Mike Winger's Definition of a Christian: Someone who believes in the Trinity Christ's Definition of a Christian: "By this shall all men know ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another"

@@devincenatiempo2238 respectfully, that’s not what he means. A Christian is someone who has placed their faith in the historical Jesus Christ of the Bible, who paid for sin once and for all on the cross of Calvary. Christians have affirmed the trinity for two thousand years simply because when you read the Bible the trinity is evident. The father is clearly God, Jesus throughout the New Testament is given the attributes that only God has, and the Holy Spirit is explicitly called God. Putting all of this together with the repeated proclamations in the Bible that there is and always has been one God leads to the trinity.

@@corymarcum863 Amen! That was well written and easily understood.

Hopefully you planted seeds

What's the purpose of sanctification? Aren't you already saved?

@@HaleStorm49 I would suggest reading Romans 6-8 on that question.

@@minizimi3790 Romans 8 is one of my favorite chapters. Verses 16 & 17 don't really jive with evangelical theology. That's why I'm asking.

The moment you accept Jesus as your lord and savior is salvation. Meaning you are saved. Sanctification comes next. It’s the renewing of your mind to become more like Christ. I don’t mean we will be gods like Christ. The Holy Spirit now dwells in you and will help you to walk in step with Jesus. You won’t want to talk the way you used to after you get saved. You won’t want to go clubbing or get drunk or have sex outside of marriage or go around slandering/gossiping about people anymore. That is the process of sanctification. Dying to your flesh daily and walking in the power of the Holy Spirit. You aren’t a slave to sin any longer and now you know the difference in right and wrong bc Gods word tells you. Faith without works is dead. yes it is faith and faith alone that saves you but if you say “I believe in God and am saved” but you’re purposefully living in sin, then no you aren’t saved. We will still struggle and mess up. The difference is your attitude towards sin. Is it flippant and you’ll just do whatever you want and ask for forgiveness later only to keep going back and purposely sinning over and over. Or is your attitude towards sin one of repentance? You mess up, realize it and say “oh God forgive me and help me not to do that again” and you mean it. You may even have ppl in your life you ask to help keep you accountable where you know you struggle. “Wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction; and there are many who go in by it. But narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads life and there are few who find it.”

And feelings. It was all about the experiences of a few extrapolated into rules that benefitted a few.

"Did Joseph Smith have any sense of exegesis?" When you eventually meet him, you can ask. "examples of what happens if we just apply our limited and biased points of view without actually studying the language and the context of the texts." When you have revelation you don't need "exegesis".

I am dubious I'll ever meet Joseph Smith. Even if we wind up in a place where we could there are about 50 billion beings that would be a higher conversational priority!

@@thomasmaughan4798 I respect that we have differing views and hope we both get what is essential correct so that we can converse one day in a future that would today seem ancient.

@@Deleteriously "there are about 50 billion beings that would be a higher conversational priority!" And yet, you post his name prominently on this channel. He appears to be more important to you than to me. To me he was just the somewhat unlucky man to be given a duty that eventually ended his life. I'm glad he did that duty; someone needed to, but it isn't necessary or useful to put so much attention on a *messnger* rather than the *message* . Joseph Smith was likely chosen *because* he had no idea what is exegesis (neither do I for that matter; religious scholars have Greek words for Just About Anything); next to no formal education and lived on a farm in rural New York. An effective challenge would be for someone to reproduce that accomplishment (Book of Mormon) starting with similar circumstances and in a similar amount of time. Show that it can be done without supernatural assistance.

Have to disagree with you on the third one. Their belief is that we’re saved by grace “after all that which we can do.” The way this was explained to me is that they believe grace is necessary for salvation however unlike Calvinist’s they believe we can lose our salvation (more or less) and that grace is participatory. In other words, you can’t just say “I believe in Jesus” and you’re saved. You have to participate in the sacraments and ordinances of the church. In this way they seem to be similar to Catholics, just using a very different theological framework and ontology. They’re also not anti-trinitarian in a classical sense. By that I mean they don’t so much reject the trinity outright but rather the trinity just isn’t compatible with their idea of what a god is. Because Heavenly Father, Jehovah (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit are invisible beings within creation. They still believe each of them are part of the Godhead and as such are in perfect alignment with each others will but like the best way I can describe it is that God isn’t a metaphysical concept to Mormons. Also yes their view on The Fall concerns me deeply.

​@@ToqTheWiseGreat points. But the fall doesn't concern me. In a sense, if God knew that Adam eating the apple would bring sin into the world - then of course, He already created such a 'law' even before the incident, predicating Adam's fall. Of course, he knew Satan to be there too. And of course, Eve to tempt him too. So, God made the rule of sin being 'transposed' into the world, even before Adam could falter. Why should the rest of this world suffer because one man was made to falter by God, who already planned for such an eventuality? And even made sure of it! Just saying.

The BoM directly contradicts the teachings of Christ from the Bible. Both texts contradict each other. The Bible to them is just a prop.

The Book of Mormon is a satanic work, and they place it above the Bible, which they believe is corrupt. The bibles they read have Mormon footnotes telling them how to interpret the text.

They believe Jesus IS Jehovah. Mike does too. Not the truth. Jehovah is the God even of Jesus.

No group on earth resemble first century Christianity closer than the Christian congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I have compared all the churches and no one comes close.

@@Isaac-wl6wu The Bible itself foretells there would be an apostasy and deviation of truths. Many would set up teachings that would be exposed more clearly in due time. Doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be sincere ones who would try to worship God with spirt and truth. Most today unfortunately are still nominal Christians as hard is that is to hear for some. But Jesus told us how we can identify them. One being his true disciples would be no part of this world. Another is that his true disciples would have love among themselves.

@@NickHawaii...agree...

@@NickHawaii you wrote: _"I have compared all the churches and no one comes close."_ Well, you didn't do your homework very well. The JW organization is in a free-fall now trying desperately hard to save members from leaving because many know it's not from God. Also, the organization has so many false predictions that fell apart. Also, in order to be a member of this organization, you MUST without question OBEY 8 men in NY or else there are consequences. This means you are ruled by men. As a Christian, I only take orders from the Bible, the Holy Spirit and the wisdom that God provides.

What word?

@camillewilliams3185 His shirt is a reference to a movie called The Princess Bride. I posted a quote which is a response one of the characters has to that word. I suggest you watch it. 😊 But don't take it too seriously. It's for fun.

Well, look at the people who still follow Catholicism, even after decades of child abuse being hushed up and not dealt with. Yes, there are Protestant pastors and leaders who have sinned in such a way, but if they are still in leadership at least we have other churches/denominations to choose from and should leave that church in droves. Catholics either leave and don't go to church at all, or ignore the abuse and keep thinking their salvation comes through the church, more than through Jesus. (Not all, of course). I think a big reason they and Mormons, etc. stay, is because their whole family and circle of friends would shun them or change drastically towards them.

He actually sent men on their missions and when they were away he married them

married women with children. Imagine how the children felt.

Husbands left on missions, and the governor of Missouri literally passed an "extermination order" that made it legal and encouraged for people to kill any mormon in that state. So yeah, of course they left 😅

Dalton you can’t put your beliefs on emotional appeals. That’s a women tendency are you a women? It’s like saying I’m not Christian because my pastor raped me. Doesn’t matter what men has done. Religion is man, god is spirit and in the beginning there was word. You can’t corrupt the word. There cultist and believe in a certain amount of god hood in man. They believe you can reach god hood. That’s why they work hard.

Canons are closed by the organization that created it. Many bibles exist.

@@thomasmaughan4798 but the legit one is the one that ends with Revelation that has Ben used for a purple Millennia. . All the writings of Joseph Smith are fictitious. I suggest you go watch that livestream.

You wrote: "The real thing that matters is developing a personal relationship with the savior through the scriptures and prayer." Yes and no. Yes, what you say does matter. No, it's not "the real thing that matters" because *something else must happen first.* It's far more important that a person (1) must realize he is hopelessly lost in sin and deserving of condemnation, (2) must realize that Jesus paid in full the penalty for sin, for everyone who believes (trusts) in Him and in His redemptive act for them as their one-and-only source of saving grace, and (3) *must trust therefore in Christ alone,* not in one's own good works or in one's church with its sacraments or ceremonies, for God's saving grace. *Coming to true faith in Jesus as one's Redeemer must precede "developing a personal relationship" with Him.*

@@rexlion4510 those are some good and interesting points I will think more about… I always felt those 3 things were a part of building a relationship with Him because without those the relationship is superficial and one sided.

You have missed the fundamental difference between Christianity and Mormonism, the primary reason why Mormonism is not Christian. The primary reason is that Christians and Mormons worship different God's. Christians worship an eternal God without beginning nor end, whereas Mormons worship a man who became a god, who himself is a child of a different man who became a god, from another man who became a god, and they believe that they themselves will one day become a god and have their own spirit children to worship them as god's. The current Mormon father god has a father god who has a father god, who has brothers and uncles who are also god's in the world's they created. This is a pantheistic belief system and is not in any way or form compatible with Christianity.

You nailed it! @@broz1488

@@aqueen13 _"Kolob is just another name for heaven and most LDS people aren’t well versed in that word. "_ False, Kolob is a star closest to the throne of God. What exactly that means, idk because Kolob could be 100 trillion light years from God and still be the closest thing to it.

This is the "CliffsNotes" description of Christianity: Prior to the resurrection event Jesus and his followers were in the context of early first century Judaism - yet another sub group that had Sadducees, Pharisees, Zealots, Essenes as the major groups (affirmed by Josephus). Christianity came into existence with the resurrection event as all of what is Christianity is fundamentally defined as those that believe and accept the reality of the resurrection from the dead of Jesus of Nazareth (and there is the Shroud of Turin as the incredible, jaw-dropping physical evidence of that event). The resurrection event is the essential starting point of Christianity and then it becomes a matter of understanding the meaning of said resurrection and what it denotes as to the nature of who and what Jesus was (is). Most of Christianity of today resides under the Council of Nicaea conclusion - an ecumenical debate held by the early Christian church that concluded with the establishment of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. That doctrine holds that Jesus was (is) God incarnate into human form - as described in the preamble to the Gospel of John, or described by the Apostle Paul in Philippians 2:1 -11 (Gospel of John likely written in the decade of the 90s AD and Paul's epistles likely written in the decade of the 50s AD - so Christology was indeed consistent from the outset to decades later). The alternative to the Holy Trinity doctrine was the Arianism view - that Jesus was (is) a created being; today LDS would fall under that umbrella, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses hold an Arian belief in respect to the person-hood of Jesus. That Council of Nicaea indeed dealt with the matter that is at the heart of what Christianity, in respect to theology, is and means. Next, comes matters of theology such as Jesus being unjustly executed on a Roman cross as being a propitiation on behalf of humanity, and what human response that that entails, etc. I personally recommend the Gospel of Mark as a place to start, because the heart of this gospel was where the followers of Jesus were grappling with coming to an understanding of what Jesus as the fulfillment of the promised Messiah actually is (wasn't their expectations). Then after that, one gets into the window dressing aspects of Christian theology - but these are still very important - like in the first century Christian text, the Didache, where the sections on The Way of Life and The Way of Death set out how Christians should be living out their lives in having become Christians, and thereby setting themselves apart from their surrounding Hellenistic culture. (In the section The Way of Death, one sees that that culture was very much the same as Western secular culture of contemporary times.)

No, "Pastor" Mike doesn't know as much as he likes to thinks he does about us. He constantly gets things wrong or honestly seems like he makes it up. Look up Ward Radio refuting Mike Winger.

​@@dylanwilliams2202Imagine spending your whole life knowing that what you believe is fiction?

@@Elizabeth-rk3do Imagine not knowing anything about a religion except for misinformation spread by people either who don't what they are talking about or purposely lying about it and thinking you are right. We actually have a name for when people think they know more than they actual do, the Dunning-Kruger effect.

@@dylanwilliams2202 I am Christian Orthodox and reject virtually all Reformation theology, therefore I reject much of Protestantism. If you are Mormon, you are not remotely a follower of Jesus Christ.

@@PETERJOHN101 _"reject virtually all Reformation theology, therefore I reject much of Protestantism"_ Bruh, did you really call the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Protestant? That's like calling the Eastern Orthodox Church as being part of Catholicism, there not. 2 completely different things. _" If you are Mormon, you are not remotely a follower of Jesus Christ."_ I am not Mormon, he was a prophet who died hundreds of years ago and he was very much a follower of Christ, I recommend you read his writings because you sound ignorant lol. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination, including Eastern Orthodox.

Jesus told the Pharisees that they were of their father the devil because the refused to be that Jesus was God. John 8

Jesus told us to judge not.

@@carlellingson352 John 7:24 Judge righteous judgment. People make judgments every day. We are commanded to test the spirits to see whether they be of God.

⁠@@jlewis8145 I’m just saying it sounds like we are on really shaky ground when we try to judge other people - and probably should avoid doing so. James 4:11-12 right?

@@carlellingson352 Is that your judgment?

The emperor said nothing at nicea about doctrine, the bishops did. These are not the same thing at all.

@@jackdaw6359 Who chose which men became bishops?

@@brittianyclements1821 the previous bishops and church communities. Not the emperor. Churches already had bishops long before Nicea. Bishops succeeded bishop.

@@jackdaw6359 There was politics involved in the process.

@@brittianyclements1821 sounds slightly more specific and yet so vague. There was a conspiracy to kidnap Joseph, but he made it to Egypt. We know God meant it for good. We all know Constantine didn't like the fighting in the empire, so he wanted the council. But the church had already had many regional councils that had massive influence over vast areas. We have records from the year 150. Here is a cool thing that the emperor did in 313 in a political edict. He legalized Christianity. Do you wish Christianity would be illegal because politics should never be involved with religion?

I thought you had to be part of the catholic church to be saved

yup, thats the #1 reason for the denial of God's existence

Yes that was why i denied God for 23 years because i knew if he was the God of the bible everyone would go to hell . Sadly i had my eyes blind to the Gospel for the time, Thankfully God is merciful.

The same logic can certainly be applied to Protestants when it comes to the authority of God's laws. They typically argue that God's laws are abolished, that they were only for Israelites/Jews to live, or they're supposedly impossible to live by because Protestants want to worship a God that doesn't require them to live a holy life.

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 what protestant believes that God's law is abolished ? 💀🤣 everyone knows it's impossible to follow all of God's laws perfectly, that's why Jesus came down to earth and fulfilled the Law

​@@theeternalsbeliever1779Yup, Protestants aren't really Christian. Neither are Baptists, or Lutherans, or Catholics or Presbyterians, or Seventhday Adventists or any modern day church that calls themselves "Christian". Right?