Skeptics Respond To The Evidence For The Resurrection of Jesus

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Mike Winger

Mike Winger

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Here's some links you may want...
My full presentation on the resurrection of Jesus - • EVIDENCE for the RESUR...
A lot of good stuff on the evidence for the resurrection garyhabermas.com
Some of the debates or other vids that I watched where you can hear the skeptics react to the evidence.
Dan Barker - • Dan Barker: Did Jesus ...
Matt Dillahunty - • Atheist Debates - Did ...
Sam Harris - • The Problem With Mirac...
Bart Ehrman - • William Lane Craig vs ...
How do skeptics respond to the evidential case for the resurrection of Jesus? We will look at Bart Ehrman, Dan Barker, Richard Carrier, Sam Harris, Dan Barker, and Matt Dillahunty. If you pay attention to what these guys say then you can see that they don't actually try to come up with reasonable explanations of the evidence. Instead they tend to attack the idea of miracles or say that belief in the resurrection is the same as belief in some other miracle claims which don't have evidence like the resurrection does. I find these tactics very revealing.

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@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 6 жыл бұрын
For Joseph's question on 1 Chronicles 20:3 and why it is translated such different ways here is some insight from the "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible" "cut them with saws, &c.-The Hebrew word, “cut them,” is, with the difference of the final letter, the same as that rendered “put them,” in the parallel passage of Samuel [2 Sa 12:31]; and many consider that putting them to saws, axes, and so forth, means nothing more than that David condemned the inhabitants of Rabbah to hard and penal servitude." Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (1 Ch 20:3). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc. It seems that it's a debate between whether he "put them" to axes in the sense of labor or in the sense of death. The different translations reflect different decisions about how to understand this. I don't know which is the more accurate one. I hope this at least clarifies the issue for you.
@logicmonkey1034
@logicmonkey1034 6 жыл бұрын
So....nothing?
@Calum2244
@Calum2244 5 жыл бұрын
William Lane Craig is not a Scholar
@gavinhurlimann2910
@gavinhurlimann2910 5 жыл бұрын
@@Calum2244: "William Lane Craig is not a scholar". Neither are you, but WLCs' integrity & honesty is above reproach. So what is your point??
@davelanger
@davelanger 5 жыл бұрын
@@gavinhurlimann2910 WLCs' integrity & honesty is above reproach LOL No its not. He is one of the most dishonest apologist I have ever seen.
@gavinhurlimann2910
@gavinhurlimann2910 5 жыл бұрын
@@davelanger: Davey boy, any idiot can make a claim in the comments section without evidence (as u have). If u have evidence of WLCs dishonesty as an apologist, then please provide it.
@tyhouston2750
@tyhouston2750 2 жыл бұрын
I'm from the Navajo tribe, and I really honestly tried to believe and test out my Native Religion. But it was evident that it wasn't true. So after I became a believer in Christ, reading and studying the Bible opened the truth to me. Additionally, other things like miracles, testimonies, and answered prayer...have all added to and built my faith in Jesus! Praise God.
@deeanderson4164
@deeanderson4164 2 жыл бұрын
Because you are Native American, it is amazing that you became a believer. So many Native people experienced genocide and destruction, Many are leery of Christianity.
@candacewight7707
@candacewight7707 2 жыл бұрын
Dee Anderson. Those murderous people were not representing Christianity. They weren't being guided by the holy spirit. I do imagine that the natives and their religious practices seemed savage to the ones professing to be Christians, however, they themselves were savage in how they responded.
@LS-mc2rv
@LS-mc2rv 2 жыл бұрын
I am so happy for you!! PTL
@lylejacks7387
@lylejacks7387 2 жыл бұрын
@Ty Houston, do you live on the Navajo Nation land near Page, AZ?
@pedalman130
@pedalman130 2 жыл бұрын
Ty Huston. So, in the 21st century you can't believe in your Navajo traditional beliefs BUT you can believe that the earth and everything on it was created in six days, you can believe Mary had a baby from a ghost while married to Joseph ( did you ever think it could have been Joseph's baby ? ) Someone named Jesus came back to life after three days of death.
@catherinewhisenand5678
@catherinewhisenand5678 3 жыл бұрын
15 years ago I would have been one of the argueing, taunting, sarcastic, cynical, and semi stuck up smart alecky mockers, on my high horse of agnosticism... and praise God and his mercy he touched me, through painful experiences, logic, and miracles, I was saved. Who would ever guess?? Me?? I was a mocker!! Praise God for his mercy and loving kindness. And the miracles he's shown in my life (escape from prison which i deserved, life after drug overdoses, life for my premature daughter, deliverance from addiction and abuse) praise the lord for your ministry mike!
@aaronwarner5492
@aaronwarner5492 3 жыл бұрын
❤️
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 3 жыл бұрын
It really is amazing how far emotions can take us into illusions of reality.
@catherinewhisenand5678
@catherinewhisenand5678 3 жыл бұрын
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 Not sure what you mean. When I relied on my emotions I stayed stuck in my addiction, abuse, and pain. When I chose to trust God, instead of my emotions was when I found healing and rest for my soul. I followed the scientific evidence where it led, and the argument weighed heavier towards a creator.
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 3 жыл бұрын
​@@catherinewhisenand5678 there is nothing to support your belief in the existence of God other than your emotions is what I meant. You may "feel" his presence but it's just your brain tricking you. In other words, your feelings are not based on reality. I don't know what scientific evidence you're talking about because I haven't heard of any.
@catherinewhisenand5678
@catherinewhisenand5678 3 жыл бұрын
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 If you're seeking evidence there are plenty of books and you tube videos on the scientific evidence for God. I could not explain it all here. I KNOW my God is real. He has changed my heart and it is much more than an emotion. I often don't feel his presence physically or emotionally. When I sought him out, he was faithful to reveal himself to me in the way I would personally recognize. He is so personal and loves us so much he knows what we need and if you seek him with all your heart you will find him.
@nicolesexton2571
@nicolesexton2571 6 жыл бұрын
Luke 16:31 "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead."
@cameronbarge3337
@cameronbarge3337 5 жыл бұрын
Want to take a guess at how many people rose from the dead in the Bible? In the context of the collection of stories it was pretty commonplace.
@justchilling704
@justchilling704 5 жыл бұрын
@@cameronbarge3337 Yeah no sir.
@cameronbarge3337
@cameronbarge3337 5 жыл бұрын
@@justchilling704 Here's a hint, thanks to what is written in Matthew we can't even put a number on it. www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/raised-from-the-dead.html
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 5 жыл бұрын
Tristan Sexton Illogical. If you don’t heed outdated moralizing, then you won’t believe what happens in front of your eyes?. Luke lacked logic.
@jarrod752
@jarrod752 5 жыл бұрын
Someone rose from the dead?
@staphenW77
@staphenW77 3 жыл бұрын
As an atheist this was incredibly eye opening. I'm really interested in looking into the history of the time. I really want to hear what the Roman's had to say, and I'd love to dig into the eye witness accounts so I can see christ's resurrection objectively. Anyone got anything for me to read?
@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 3 жыл бұрын
I just did a teaching yesterday that may interest you. Lots of references in the video description to scholarly sources as well. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mrFhmbhl1ZqXmps.html
@staphenW77
@staphenW77 3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeWinger I'm 25 minutes in and I'm lovin' it so far. I already know I'm gonna have to come back to it a couple times because there is a good bit you're unpacking, but thank you so much for that. Deep down in the scholarly weeds are exactly where I'm tryna go 😂 Lastly, I just wanna say real quick your sarcasm is great. Following arguments and thinking critically is much less cumbersome when you can laugh and joke about what you are discussing.
@GhostBearCommander
@GhostBearCommander 2 жыл бұрын
The writings of the Roman historians and political thinkers Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, as well as the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus are excellent sources for this. None were Christian and all are extra-Biblical, yet all reference Jesus from around his time period.
@sovereigngodlisaloves9525
@sovereigngodlisaloves9525 2 жыл бұрын
Aaaaaamen. 🙏
@amandaleidy1820
@amandaleidy1820 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve referenced Gary Habermas to septics due to his simple yet well laid out minimal facts argument for the resurrection.
@kristenroberts9335
@kristenroberts9335 4 жыл бұрын
Man, so many comments are “You’re bad/dumb Mike.” I think you’re doing good work Mike! Don’t get discouraged!
@LoveYourNeighbour.
@LoveYourNeighbour. 4 жыл бұрын
LOL, great comment Kristen! (Matthew 5:11) "Blessed are you, when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you, because of me."
@carlose5751
@carlose5751 3 жыл бұрын
Kristen, I haven't seen any comment like that addressed to Mike. I am an Atheist and I don't think Mike is dumb, at all. He is just badly informed. I think you're kind of bullying him.
@michaelbrickley2443
@michaelbrickley2443 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlose5751, that’s it, you nailed it. We’re all just badly informed. Do you know who Dr. Alvin Plantinga is? He said that while there is plenty of evidence for God and also the resurrection, the very fact of the Holy Spirit living within is evidence enough for him. Dr. G. Campbell Morgan said that the millions of lives changed is one of the greatest evidences for God in Christ. You should go argue with Dr. Gary Habermas. We’re not badly informed, you’re simply blind to the truth
@carlose5751
@carlose5751 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbrickley2443 You could bring on your side someone relevant like Albert Einstein or even Richard Dawkins and I don't give a f@ck about their opinions. Fallacy of authority doesn't make anything to be true.
@pauljomento8357
@pauljomento8357 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlose5751 yup that's true, that's why you need to go back to the primary sources yourself and create conclusions based on what you find. People like Mike just relay the distilled info to us who want a summary of what he found with his own studies, to us who do not have the time to go through the sources ourselves and get degrees for this specific type of info. So you don't have to listen to him (or to anyone, for that matter) because you can go and study these things from the *primary* sources yourself. No one is forcing you to listen to this specific pastor, but if you don't, then you have to do your due diligence of going through the research for yourself to see if what Christianity claims to be true is actually true. There is no inherent bias here, just being wise with how we use our limited time in contrast to other dissenting voices and put them against each other (as I was also once an atheist). God bless you. You don't have to assume the appeal of authority to prove things true, *you* do it yourself then.
@oli9968
@oli9968 3 жыл бұрын
Schizophrenics, from a medical viewpoint, don't just have mass hallucinations together....it is not like their illnesses just sync to each other and create one hivemind schizophrenic illusion. That's like saying a room full of anxious people just suddenly all become anxious about this one illogical concern.
@caviestcaveman8691
@caviestcaveman8691 3 жыл бұрын
This is true. I'm wanting to learn I've felt it. This makes sense I mean only certain things I feel him its odd but I agree if we were all mentally ill why does it so happen we have same thoughts and reasoning lol only 24 haven't been into this much but I've had morals close to what he teaches so I've been walking not too far from him! 🙏
@andrewbradley3305
@andrewbradley3305 2 жыл бұрын
No if you want to doubt the resurrection you have to disagree with one of those five points. If you believe those five points resurrection sounds like the most possible.
@Greyz174
@Greyz174 2 жыл бұрын
someone in a room getting stressed out can stress out other people in the room
@ayolovephat
@ayolovephat 2 жыл бұрын
@@Greyz174 Hello, I"m an RN and I currently work in a Neuro-Psychiatric Hospital here in my city (been working there since 2009). I have seen clients having hallucinations many times than I can count and I can confidently tell you that there's nothing like mass hallucination. Several clients can experience hallucination simultaneously but the content and object of their hallucinations is and can never be the same. I am speaking from experience and my education. Mass hallucination DOES NOT exist, period.
@Greyz174
@Greyz174 2 жыл бұрын
@@ayolovephat this is an open question im reasoning my way through so id love to hear your thoughts: do you think that the environment you've observed this in where people are constantly trying to control and inhibit the hallucinations would be significantly different that an enironment where you let them play out in a cultural framework that would treat them as divine interaction? im not sure to what extent we can extrapolate how hallucinations work based off of our experiences in this culture where we pathologize and actively prevent them from taking off and being rationalized into peoples' worldview and collective experiences. do you have any thoughts on this? and to be clear, this does not mean "so therefore identical hallucinations happened back then" but maybe something more like "people having these hallucinations uninterrupted will eventually talk about and create one story, and harmonize their mental experiences to be more like their friends who are having their own version of that mental experience, and this going uninterrupted leads to them coming to spiritual conclusions about what happened with their dead leader, instead of seeing some stuff and then their parents immediately sending them to a doctor and stopping this hallucination in its tracks"
@Bildad1976
@Bildad1976 3 жыл бұрын
Please let's remember that a very important part of presenting the gospel to unbelievers (including atheists) is for them to see Christians as truly authentic followers of Jesus Christ, i.e., that we model the love, compassion, kindness, self sacrifice, mercy, etc. for which Jesus was known. Many great principles are given in the NT, especially by Jesus, and especially in Matthew 5 and 6.(Love God, Love your neighbor, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, etc.) When I was an atheist, I truly enjoyed mocking Christians. Not seeing any difference in the way they reacted to mocking made me feel justified in my atheism. When I finished serving a hitch in the Navy in 1979, I moved up into the mountains to be able to party loudly and consume illegal substances without being bothered by anyone (including by the Law and Christians). After a pretty wild party one Saturday night (during which, both my stereo and my TV became broken), I was awakened the next morning by someone knocking at the door. I peered out and saw my girlfriend's sister, Betsy, knocking at the door. I did not want to let her in because I knew she was one of those outspoken Christians. Only because her sister, Sandy, lived with me did I get up and let her in. They sat down at the dining room table to talk, while I sat in the living room. It's generally pretty quiet in the mountains, especially when one's TV and stereo got broken the previous night, so, without even trying, I easily heard everything being said. As Betsy shared the Gospel with her sister (my girlfriend), Sandy, I became offended as I felt she was violating the "sanctity" of my home. My offense turned to anger when I heard Sandy agreeing to pray a prayer of salvation with her, as I knew it might mean the end of our sexual relationship. But I really hit stage 3 when I heard Betsy say that she was going to come into the living room to talk to me about Jesus. I prepared a litany of obscenities in my mind to share with her. When she asked me if I would like to know more about Jesus, I let go with a stream of obscenities, designed to make her retreat, even as far as leaving my home. She didn't. In fact, she stood there with a kind smile on her face, as if she had expected me to respond that way, and it didn't bother her in the least. Finally, feeling awkward, I sort of ran out of gas and sputtered to and end with "Well, that's just how I feel about that stuff." She responded with something like "Hey, I'm not here to threaten you (or harm you, or something like that). I just want to let you know that God loves you and Jesus died for you." She and Sandy hung around the rest of the day as they planned to go to church that evening. As they were leaving, Betsy handed me a gospel tract, asking me to read it while they were gone. I reluctantly agreed just to get her out the door. While they were gone, I was bored out of my gourd as my TV and stereo were broken, and it was many years until the Internet. And it strangely seemed like the Gospel tract was magnetically drawing me to read it. I finally gave in, justifying it by saying that I could honestly tell her that I read it so she would shut up. I'd read lots of Gospel tracts before, but for entertainment. I'd laugh after I read them and then tore them up and/or threw them away so no one else could read them. But this time I was genuinely open and interested in trying to understand it because of Betsy's kind response to my hateful, obscene speech (which really had me perplexed). I thought maybe she had something I couldn't explain. As I sincerely considered the Bible references, it seemed like it was the first time I had ever read the Gospel. It wasn't the "Be good and stop sinning and maybe, you might get to heaven if you're good enough" message that I'd always thought it was. I truly understood God being able to offer me forgiveness because of Jesus' sacrificial death. I don't think I could ever describe the depth of feeling that I had as I understood what the verses were saying, and suddenly realizing that it was all true. It really, really was like I had been in a totally dark room and someone had just turned on the light! I was in shock and looked up toward God and found myself saying "You're kidding me! THIS is what you've been trying to tell me this whole time??" An inexplicable joy filled me like I had never known (or even could have imagined)! I paced the floor trying to come to grips with the fact that, just minutes before, I was absolutely sure that none of this was true, and now I was even 'surer' that it WAS true! I went outside and stood there staring up at the stars. It was like I had never seen them before. What seems pretty funny in retrospect was what happened when the girls got home. They came in the back door and were in the kitchen chatting. I realized I had to go tell them what had happened, so I walked into the kitchen and I suddenly realized I had no idea what to say! I stood there staring at them, and I must have looked a bit strange because they began asking me "What's wrong? What happened?" Not knowing what to say, all that came out of my mouth was "I did it!" They asked "Did what??", as if they thought I had committed some crime. "That thing, in that piece of paper you gave me. I prayed." They thought that I was making fun of them again, as I had done a little during the afternoon. I had to convince them that I was sincere, that I had become a believer. I'm not sure at all what may have happened had Betsy not responded with kindness to my hostility to the Gospel. What if she HAD stormed out like I had expected her to?
@luket6405
@luket6405 2 жыл бұрын
What a great testimony! Hallelujah
@avranju
@avranju 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! :)
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 2 жыл бұрын
Long read. Still an atheist though.
@Grandmaster_Dragonborn
@Grandmaster_Dragonborn 2 жыл бұрын
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 And keep being one for now you will. God will see you through soon enough :)
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 2 жыл бұрын
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn Actually I am an agnostic now, I do not make any definite claims on the existence of God.
@DDFergy1
@DDFergy1 4 жыл бұрын
David Hume didn't know that everything in our reality, according to the probabilities calculated to have them exist, is a miracle. EVERYTHING.
@senorpoopEhead
@senorpoopEhead 4 жыл бұрын
Given that, what would you say is the probability of the Christian god, Douglas?
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on how you define miracle. If you define it as an extremely rare and unlikely event... then you are correct. But I bet that Hume defined a miracle as an event that violates the laws of nature... so you are wrong.😂
@ReformationRevelation
@ReformationRevelation 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramigilneas9274 creating something from nothing violates the laws of nature :)
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReformationRevelation That’s why only Christians think that the Universe was created from nothing while all scientists say that this is impossible and don’t think that there ever was nothing.😂
@bowthor3203
@bowthor3203 2 жыл бұрын
@@ramigilneas9274 are you sarcastic or what?
@apologetics-101
@apologetics-101 3 жыл бұрын
Mike Licona's book is called, "The Resurrection of Jesus: A New Historiographical Approach. I have that book!
@KJW742
@KJW742 3 жыл бұрын
😊 thanks
@nutriweh
@nutriweh 3 жыл бұрын
I'm going to get me a copy of that soon Lord willing🙏 thank you🤝🙌
@apologetics-101
@apologetics-101 3 жыл бұрын
@@nutriweh Yw! Blessings!
@nutriweh
@nutriweh 3 жыл бұрын
@@apologetics-101 Blessings brotha!
@dakotawright2811
@dakotawright2811 3 жыл бұрын
How good is it? Whats in it? I have heard. Gary Habermas on several talks about the reasurection
@sandracopenhaver3230
@sandracopenhaver3230 3 жыл бұрын
Starting out I really have to commend you for your bravery cuz I just lose my temper when I'm dealing with Skeptics like "you're a believer in evidence but you're so quick to deny evidence that goes against what you believe" so good on you man.
@sandracopenhaver3230
@sandracopenhaver3230 3 жыл бұрын
In ecsence they believe in themselves
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 3 жыл бұрын
Colloquially, they _deny_ the evidence, but what is happening is that the evidence is treated as real, as you not pulling it from thin air, but the evidence is from a book and you are taking what the bible says as literal, which is where is the evidence becomes weak as evidence for the claims being made. Have you heard someone say, "Superman came from Krypton, crashed in America, and can move faster than a speeding bullet." Does that sound right based on what is often portrayed in comics or moves about superman? Does anyone believe superman is a real person, could you argue he does using comic books? The difference is the superman comic books were not meant to control, but to entertain.
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 3 жыл бұрын
You probably get angry because skeptics make you realize that your belief is completely nonsensical when thinking logically.
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 3 жыл бұрын
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 I should keep a record of how many comments I make vs the amount that actually address the claim or question. Many will make assumptions and refuse to admit they are. Nothing is wrong with assumptions of course as long as you are not hiding the fact that they are.
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 3 жыл бұрын
@@BornOnThursday I've seen all of them, hilarious really how Christians put themselves on a pedestal of truth yet can't answer basic questions about their assumptions. Most of these sheep can't make any arguments that's aren't circular or logically fallacious.
@samuelbarrett5701
@samuelbarrett5701 2 жыл бұрын
A few things I might add: 1) atheists really make a big deal out of the "contradictions" in the biblical text. For example they'll say 'well how many horses did Solomon have'? As if that just proves the whole Bible is a lie, they don't even stop to consider any other reasonable explanation (e.g. it could have been different numbers due to the fact that each were taken from different years under his rule). Or even some of the minor details like hiw many angels were at the tomb. Witnesses don't remember every detail the exact same and if they did that would be a bit suspect (this reinforces the independent witnesses point). 2) atheists like to interpret things more liberally than most Christians. To put it bluntly they don't consider any of the original contexts of the passage and therefore completely misunderstand the vast majority of the biblical text. They also tend to cherry pick verses. One example is in Judges when a little girl is sacrificed to YHWH. The book of judges condemned such an action, but they don't care to actually read and follow along with the entire book. It's intellectual laziness.
@ApolloThyrteen
@ApolloThyrteen Жыл бұрын
I just saw a video with Aaron Ra talking about that same story in Judges. It was so intellectually dishonest I was embarrassed.
@jackwilmoresongs
@jackwilmoresongs 4 жыл бұрын
Some skeptics are just into arguing - "You have not yet forced me to believe."
@jackwilmoresongs
@jackwilmoresongs 4 жыл бұрын
I never could.
@JohnDoe-bt4ps
@JohnDoe-bt4ps 4 жыл бұрын
That's the first misconception that we can force someone to believe something. Regardless how you look at it even if something is 100% true you still can't force them to accept (believe) it is true. The Gospel is meant to be accepted or rejected so them not believing in it doesn't bother me. It use to for their sakes, but even then if the Bible is true they know where they are ending up regardless of not believing. I would also argue you can not force someone to accept the gospel otherwise it's a false conversion.
@jackwilmoresongs
@jackwilmoresongs 4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-bt4ps A saying - "A person convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still."
@jackwilmoresongs
@jackwilmoresongs 4 жыл бұрын
@Kuffar Legion Hey, I am a believer in the resurrection of Jesus. However in myself I have no more natural "faith" then anyone else. I consider that something like a miracle has happened in my heart. God gave me the ability to believe. Naturally though, I have no more faith then the next guy. It is very mysterious to me.
@LVGirl4
@LVGirl4 3 жыл бұрын
Some people just don’t want to believe. No amount of evidence will convince them. They just don’t want to believe the truth. And you can’t convince those people. They will believe what they want to believe. It’s a heart issue, not a head (knowledge, facts, data) issue. They reject God because they don’t want there to be a God.
@zekdom
@zekdom 2 жыл бұрын
4:04 and 4:40 and 5:33 - Historian consensus 8:33 - Alternative explanations 12:45 - The swoon theory 15:38 - Spiritual Resurrection theory 16:35 - Wrong Tomb theory 16:56 - Missing body theory 17:16 - Conspiracy theory 18:05 - The rational explanation 19:03 - David Hume 20:35 and 22:15 - Bart Ehrman 24:30 - Richard Carrier 26:20 and 27:13 and 28:40 - Dan Barker 30:00 - Matt Dilahunty 34:50 - Is the Bible just one source? 38:20 - What about other religious claims?
@skytrip5273
@skytrip5273 Жыл бұрын
Completely made up theory.
@eggman3908
@eggman3908 Жыл бұрын
Thx but you forgot Sam harris
@catherinewhisenand5678
@catherinewhisenand5678 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Book of James cuts straight to the heart!
@chrisworthman3191
@chrisworthman3191 Жыл бұрын
The Bible is not evidence for the things in the bible.
@catherinewhisenand5678
@catherinewhisenand5678 Жыл бұрын
@Chris Worthman I'm aware only the holy spirit can open a man's eyes to the truth!
@chrisworthman3191
@chrisworthman3191 Жыл бұрын
@@catherinewhisenand5678 Is the holy spirit just another name for gullibility?
@Dominick13777
@Dominick13777 2 жыл бұрын
Mike, It's always a faith position. My wife's grandmother said a very profound statement. She said, "This man says this and this man says that, who is right?" This is a very good point. Many many people are saying to all of us, "listen to me." So for me the question isn't, why I should believe in Jesus but why I should listen to you(other then Christ), who are you that I should believe in what you tell me. Jesus said, "I am the only way, there is no other." This statement forces me to make a choice. So if your position is Christ is not the way, then you are telling me to believe you. So again, who are you that I should listen to you? Jesus said Love God with your whole heart and soul and love others like yourself. He practice this He also said turn the other check. Normally people don't practice what they teach however, Jesus did. He was the man he asked us to be. Jesus represents the best form of God. So all my hope is on Him.
@sinnersaved1033
@sinnersaved1033 6 жыл бұрын
Wow skeptics are so hostile on here I think you struck a nerve mike! Haha you're one of those... "Christians" (angry voice)
@esseyessey5266
@esseyessey5266 3 жыл бұрын
*confused screaming*
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 3 жыл бұрын
If you think being logical is hostile that's your problem lmao
@sinnersaved1033
@sinnersaved1033 3 жыл бұрын
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 I was talking about the ad hominem attacks. Do you condem ad hominem attacks?
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 3 жыл бұрын
@@sinnersaved1033 You said skeptics were being hostile which is very different than fallacious reasoning, something you Christians are extremely good at ;)
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 3 жыл бұрын
@@sinnersaved1033 Do you believe in God? If so, why?
@inmyopinion651
@inmyopinion651 5 жыл бұрын
If I was a skeptic James and Paul would have done it for me. James was pious Jew who converted, and Paul was very loyal to Rome. Those two would have done it for me.
@brunopeixe7949
@brunopeixe7949 4 жыл бұрын
@@brettdeacon7012 Which are both in the bible , so no , they aren't outside evidence
@benjaminfarmer3437
@benjaminfarmer3437 3 жыл бұрын
colonel- yaki ... neither of them are Gospel writers.
@benjaminfarmer3437
@benjaminfarmer3437 3 жыл бұрын
“Being in the bible” isn’t synonymous with being a Gospel writer. Their writings are now a part of the Bible, but they only wrote them because of their conversion. Do you see the difference?
@pdhlibrarycom6731
@pdhlibrarycom6731 3 жыл бұрын
@@swotithinkanyway2163 or maybe James wasn't around. Not sure why an atheist would find it so hard to believe someone else might be a skeptic... This argument is self defeating.
@MoNtYbOy101
@MoNtYbOy101 3 жыл бұрын
@@brunopeixe7949 they also didn’t witness the actual resurrection.
@ceejay8155
@ceejay8155 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you again for the daily bread mike!
@isabellepimentel718
@isabellepimentel718 3 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel and I have binge watching it! It would be great if all the videos can be included in different playlists. I know there are some, but how about all of them!!! 🙏🏼
@bartleon
@bartleon 2 жыл бұрын
John 14: 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me. 2 Chronicles 16: 9 For the eyes of the Lord move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His. You have acted foolishly in this. Indeed, from now on you will surely have wars.”
@allthethingsyouwillsee1081
@allthethingsyouwillsee1081 Жыл бұрын
I was the same way when I found his channel. So thankful for his hard work
@jbooks888
@jbooks888 Жыл бұрын
You can easily make your own playlist
@lightshiner3742
@lightshiner3742 4 жыл бұрын
So happy I found this channel. God bless you bro, thanks for this very insightful video
@jimmyneighbors4943
@jimmyneighbors4943 5 жыл бұрын
I heard that the passion of Christ was good but he didn't mentioned the resurrection. I agree with you
@ReLair88
@ReLair88 Жыл бұрын
Mel Gibson is making a new movie about the Resurrection and the 40 days before Jesus ascended.
@benjaminfarmer3437
@benjaminfarmer3437 3 жыл бұрын
One need only review the comments section for more examples of exactly what Mike was talking about, haha. Keep it up, man! Love all of your videos.
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 3 жыл бұрын
You have to understand, it's like watching a person take a story and treat it as literal. Also, by believing in this literally, we have a long history of people treating other humans as heretics and setting back scientific progress considerably. We are lucky that people were able to escape the penalty of death for not sharing the beliefs of the Christianity. It is frustrating, and the idea of co-existing is for the sake of peace and not wanting to repeat the mistakes of the past. There are still problems, but it is more focused on smaller groups and individuals which is preferable to war and mass loss of life.
@wakeupthisisntreal8168
@wakeupthisisntreal8168 3 жыл бұрын
As if that somehow validates your position.
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 3 жыл бұрын
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 It's enough validation for them. People don't like my ideas, therefore, they must be true.
@deontesmith5718
@deontesmith5718 3 жыл бұрын
@@wakeupthisisntreal8168 n
@MahoshunKashung
@MahoshunKashung Жыл бұрын
Lots of great content. Thanks for putting in the work! God bless!
@ItachiUchiha-qx7xo
@ItachiUchiha-qx7xo 5 жыл бұрын
Love your work mike!
@albertpsaros6241
@albertpsaros6241 4 жыл бұрын
I simply marvel at Atheists faith. How can anyone examine the mountains of evidence and still proclaim there is no God were they not whole heartedly devoted to their beliefs.
@ea-tr1jh
@ea-tr1jh 4 жыл бұрын
@Kuffar Legion Your comment is the definition of a dodge.
@JL0007
@JL0007 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe Jesus survived crucifixion and woke up later in the tomb and walked out. Isn't that more plausible than somebody rising from the dead?
@peyton5149
@peyton5149 3 жыл бұрын
@@JL0007 look up what a crucifixion is and u tell me
@JL0007
@JL0007 3 жыл бұрын
@@peyton5149 people have survived crucifixion according to Josephus
@victortshibs9005
@victortshibs9005 3 жыл бұрын
John L John L The romans did take you down of the cross only when you dead. Woke up and then from inside move a 1t stone after I think May have suffocated in the tomb and were beaten to death and hang to a cross for 3h, 2 day ago come on man come on
@Vinsanity997
@Vinsanity997 4 жыл бұрын
Your Dillahunty representation is spot on
@pdxnikki1
@pdxnikki1 3 жыл бұрын
Vinsanity997 Mike Dillahunty is just a big bully.
@davidbermudez7704
@davidbermudez7704 3 жыл бұрын
He got destroyed
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 3 жыл бұрын
@@pdxnikki1 Why because he swears and raises his voice?
@VaughanMcCue
@VaughanMcCue 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidbermudez7704 I think Matt Dilly is still alive; maybe he just swooned
@paulmensah6780
@paulmensah6780 Жыл бұрын
By who??
@samanthajoslyn7051
@samanthajoslyn7051 Жыл бұрын
My husband and I just love watching your videos together. Thank you!
@davidbermudez7704
@davidbermudez7704 3 жыл бұрын
God bless you Pastor for equipping me on showing our atheist friends on the BEDROCK of Biblical Christianity the Resurrection of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ
@davidbermudez7704
@davidbermudez7704 3 жыл бұрын
Christian Slayer Read Acts 9
@mccalltrader
@mccalltrader 4 жыл бұрын
If miracles dont happen..how did we win gold in 1980 on the ice?!
@dross4207
@dross4207 4 жыл бұрын
McCall G. ...if miracles do happen, why do children die of cancer? God doesn’t love children, obviously.
@mccalltrader
@mccalltrader 4 жыл бұрын
D Ross ohhhh scything retort But we are talking about miracles, which is the opposite of dying of cancer Unless you think cancer is a miracle!?
@dross4207
@dross4207 4 жыл бұрын
McCall G. ....I just think that a god would pick and choose his miracles a little better. “What miracle should I perform today, saving the children that are dying of cancer, or let the underdog hockey team win?”
@mccalltrader
@mccalltrader 4 жыл бұрын
Oh!! Lol That was a joke man..I don’t think anybody actually thinks we won gold because of a supernatural event We won gold because they were better and wanted it more God makes miracles happen, I reckon, so that “the work of god might be displayed”
@dross4207
@dross4207 4 жыл бұрын
McCall G....I kind of figured that it was a joke. I am a little skeptical of any miracle claim, though, because they appear to happen no more than random chance.
@tmsvan2995
@tmsvan2995 3 жыл бұрын
The mockers of this video are simply writhing and reacting from having to hear truth, logic and evidence that give answers to the skeptic’s doubts of the Bible’s authenticity. Mike does all this out of his love and obedience to Jesus, that is, to obey His commandments by loving his neighbour even strangers by sharing the gospel. It is our prayer that these skeptics will repent and come to Jesus. Thanks Mike.
@JP-je6jg
@JP-je6jg 2 жыл бұрын
No, sceptics just aren't convinced by the really quite poor arguments. I would love to see what 'historians' name those five 'facts'. There is no verifiable source to back up that various people 'saw jesus after his death'. The rational explanation is not Jesus was resurrected. There are 101 other possible explanations as to why people say that 2000 years ago, someone rose from the dead. Surely faith is based more on a spiritual belief in something, please don't sit there and tell me it is based in fact, because it simply isnt.
@paulallen7962
@paulallen7962 Жыл бұрын
Considering that 2/3 of the people in the world believe something other than Christianity, including God's own chosen people and humans have invented thousands of gods. How are you so sure your not the one deceived?
@shawnahathaway4762
@shawnahathaway4762 Жыл бұрын
What's interesting to me is the non-believers efforts to undo what Christians know. We want them to come to the truth because we care about them, we know of the peace and joy that they're missing out on and genuinely don't want them to suffer for all eternity....... but what reason do they have for trying to tell us we're wrong? What fuels that passion? Whatever it is, I'm still thankful for the engagement because it tells me there's some interest, the seed has been planted and it's only a matter of time before their heart is opened 🙏
@dav1dandrew
@dav1dandrew 5 жыл бұрын
Great presentation, thank you.
@brianetheredge7323
@brianetheredge7323 2 жыл бұрын
As I watch this 4 years later, it reminds me of a conversation I had just yesterday with a Ehrman-worshipping family member. To those who work to suppress the knowledge of God (Rom 1:18), there is really no gain asking them why they believe what they believe, or to concede actual historical fact and accept that they may be just flat wrong...they, like me, are sinners and the flesh hates God. Yes, I might be wrong, too, but what other explanation is even plausible for the events of Jesus' life as told in the NT, and, with this understood fully, what other possible, plausible explanation exists for the remainder of the writings of the entire Bible? Yes, I'm a grumpy old Calvinist, but the truth of God's Word keeps ringing true...nothing new under the sun (Ecc 1:18-19). I will continue to pray for these folks, atheist/agnostic/resistor-of-Christ alike, that God will reveal Himself to them and they will yield to His truth. Keep those questions coming...I'll be answering them on my death bed, if God is willing.
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 8 ай бұрын
Talking with people who quote Bible verses as if they are more than just the opinions of individual cult members can be just as frustrating.
@brianetheredge7323
@brianetheredge7323 8 ай бұрын
@@ramigilneas9274 Do you think Christians (and I am a Christian) are simply "individual cult members?" It kinda sounds like you do, but I could also be mistaken.
@fyrerayne8882
@fyrerayne8882 4 жыл бұрын
“Paul, Apostle of Christ” was a good movie
@danamurphy5241
@danamurphy5241 6 жыл бұрын
Thank for the video. I'm going to use it as a reference for skeptics I come across on youtube
@lil-al
@lil-al 4 жыл бұрын
dana murphy only if you want to embarrass yourself. You have been warned.
@jesusdisciplemsyg
@jesusdisciplemsyg Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Mike, As a former Occultist, got called schizo a lot lmao I'm still bewildered how some Christians don't believe in Christ actually being resurrected, you're just Agnostic.
@paradisecityX0
@paradisecityX0 6 жыл бұрын
None of these guys are "skeptics". Except Ehrman
@michaela.kelley7823
@michaela.kelley7823 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm. Thats a bad quote. None of these guys are skeptics?? Do you even realize what you said? Your probably right. Skeptics are few and far between. Because only a fool would deny the existance of God. Especially when they feel they dont need to bring another possibility to the table. Theres a few big names that athiests stick to. Hawkins and Dawkins. Hawkins said openly that NO evidence would ever convince him of Gods existence. Who's closed minded? Whos erational? Hawkins got laughed at and mocked by the audience when he tried to explain " nothing" creating everything. Funny thing is God mentions this in the Bible. " where is the philosopher of this age? I will destroy the wisdom of the wise. Thr intelligence of thd intellegent i will frustrate" the Bible is the only book that tells the story from beginning to end. Genesis to Revelation. And dares to tell of things to come before they spring forth. Look at the old testament prophets and consider what they said 1000s of years before Jesus even came. They tell of Why He Came, What He would do, How He would die and the reason for His death. Jesus even spoke of athiesm in the parable of the lost son. The son asked the Father for His inheritance before the Father died. Basically told the Father i dont care about you. Just give me my money. Then went to A FAR COUNTRY to spend that money in wild living and prostitutes. Why a Far Country? To get away from his fathers sight. Thats all athiesm is. A far country away from the Father. Jesus said " they refuse to come to the light because they love darkness" you love your sin and really want to believe that you wont be held accountable. But if you break a law on earth whether you believe it or not, you will be judged. How much more a Holy God who will judge you by the 10 commandments. Have you lied? Stolen? Used Gods name in vain? Sure you have. All have. Nobodys perfect right? The Bible says that also.
@VaughanMcCue
@VaughanMcCue 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaela.kelley7823 Could you please make one salient point as this story is too disjointed- at least make paragraphs.
@michaela.kelley7823
@michaela.kelley7823 3 жыл бұрын
@@VaughanMcCue i made my points. Im not writing an essay
@alisonhansford512
@alisonhansford512 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaela.kelley7823 Well said!!
@alisonhansford512
@alisonhansford512 3 жыл бұрын
@@VaughanMcCue I followed everything he wrote. If you didn't, maybe you could just ask for clarification instead of attacking they way he wrote it.
@germaan1
@germaan1 3 жыл бұрын
I believe in the resurrection because Jesus gave me eternal life when I confessed my sins, repented of my old life and submitted to Him as my Lord.
@WildPhotoShooter
@WildPhotoShooter 2 жыл бұрын
You may have repented your sins BUT according to Christianity you are still an unworthy sinner who continues to sin. So, It seems to me as long as you keep repenting your sins you can carry on sinning as much as you want to.....exactly like the Catholics who have to go to confession regularly. 🤣
@germaan1
@germaan1 2 жыл бұрын
@@WildPhotoShooter Romans 6: " What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."
@WildPhotoShooter
@WildPhotoShooter 2 жыл бұрын
@@germaan1 How can any sane rational thinking person believe such mumbo jumbo ? How can splashing water onto a baby's head have anything to do with the death of a guy 2000 years ago ? The Bible is a nice piece of inventive fictional writing , I'll give it that much.
@germaan1
@germaan1 2 жыл бұрын
@@WildPhotoShooter baptism into His death is not talking about infant baptism but it explains what happens in the moment a spiritual dead person is born again as a child of God. Your old self dies and you are born again spiritually. I believe and testify it because I myself was born again December 2019 at age 28. This is no mombojombo, this is reality.
@WildPhotoShooter
@WildPhotoShooter 2 жыл бұрын
@@germaan1 Do you have any evidence of the alleged "reality" ? I assume you didn't die before being "born gain" . What's this thing about our spirit dying ? Is there any real evidence we have one ? I think it is all in the individuals mind, nothing else changes, only the way one thinks.
@voymasa7980
@voymasa7980 5 жыл бұрын
The consistency of translation im seeing with NASB, KJV, and JPS Tanakh, over NIV, have the people of those cities being slaughtered in 1 Chronicles. I would be interested to here your take, Mike
@isanna6075
@isanna6075 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Mike 👍
@rylankirby5503
@rylankirby5503 Жыл бұрын
Incredibly well done video! You’re making a 40 year old atheist rethink EVERYTHING! I always struggled with the validity of the resurrection story until your video 🤯👏
@darkeen42
@darkeen42 9 ай бұрын
​@MarisaHoarebut this dude's full ship you should actually do some verification instead of just believe in this dude. First of all he's completely ignoring all the non canonical gospels that were absolutely the word of God according to the people that believe them until a powerful group of bishops decided they were politically inconvenient
@darkeen42
@darkeen42 9 ай бұрын
​@MarisaHoarein order for this guy to be right you have to ignore the entire process that created the Bible that we have documentation for this dude's just lying to you
@jasonlee8359
@jasonlee8359 2 жыл бұрын
Great content! One of my friends is a raving atheist, and after years of debating, his argument has been reduced to "I don't want to talk about it" or even better, "Christians are racist." I respect atheists, but their arguments fall flat under serious scrutiny. They never seem to run out of reasons to doubt. Once you address one argument, they move the goal posts. Which proves to me that most of them just don't want to believe for emotional reasons.
@dooivid
@dooivid Жыл бұрын
Amazing. That's the exact experienceI have with theists trying to justify any of the myths in the Bible.
@jasonlee8359
@jasonlee8359 Жыл бұрын
@@dooivid I doubt it.
@bikesrcool_1958
@bikesrcool_1958 11 ай бұрын
@@jasonlee8359he’s just playing super skeptic. Really the only thing they have going for them is the smirk, and boy is that a powerful thing when you don’t have much else
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 8 ай бұрын
What a coincidence… "you just don’t want to believe“… is what most Christians say after I explain to them why their arguments are fallacious and teach them about logic, reasoning and a sound epistemology. Seems more like try to find excuses why the arguments that convinced you aren’t good enough to convince most other people.😉
@jasonlee8359
@jasonlee8359 8 ай бұрын
@@ramigilneas9274 I highly doubt your arguments (and the arguments of most atheists) are seriously convincing. And I'm sure most of the things you say are fallacious about theism are not. It's easy to break the weakest link in the chain. Try it with someone who knows their stuff and I'm sure you will get a response that you cannot handle. Atheism is logically absurd. The fact that you, apparently an atheist, is trolling the thread of a Christian podcast shows you are not very secure in your position. This is typical of other atheists I know and have seen online. They spend their days obsessing about God and trying to prove he doesn't exist. Reminds me of guys in high school who talked about their ex-girlfriend constantly but then tried to say they were over her, when clearly they were not.
@LoraxChannel
@LoraxChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Mike you are so kind. I've watched several videos by these skeptics. Ehrman flat out has some sort of emotional issue. He's irrational and often just attacking people in debates. He's embarrassing. Carrier is just a joke. He makes logical fallacies constantly, regardless of his position. I wouldn't follow his food recipies he's so confused. Mike, you have such faith in people. Sadly, most are just not capable of following an arguement, and they aren't capable of realizing it. There is literaly nothing you can do to get a deaf man to hear a sympony, they aren't capable. Atheists mostly just repeat nonsense as if it is gospel, not seeing that the positions are garbage thinking, false comparisionns, cherry picking, strawmen. Even the well meaning athiests don't apply thier own standards to thier own thinking. An example, most athiests will believe in the multiverse, yet deny Jesus claiming "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" There is literally zero hard evidence for the multiverse, it's inferred, which btw I think the multiverse might exist. Athiests don't see that the "extraordinary claim/evidence" arguement is just a massively circular way to deny anything you subjectively don't agree with. If you believec something already, your standard for it goes down? If you disbelieve your standard goes up, lol really? You nailed this fallacy in people like Humme. Anyway, keep up the good work. You are an amazingly smart, patient, and kind person. I couldn't do what you do.
@whatarefriends4
@whatarefriends4 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@Greyz174
@Greyz174 2 жыл бұрын
I dont see how you can watch Richard Carrier and think that Mike gave an honest representation of his resurrection argument
@JonHuhnMedical
@JonHuhnMedical 3 жыл бұрын
Great post, as always, Mike, thanks. The single greatest rebuttal to the arguments for a resurrection is simply that it's supernatural. As Christians, I think we don't fully appreciate how powerful that rebuttal is.
@redpillfreedom6692
@redpillfreedom6692 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone can make supernatural claims, doofus. None of them are backed up by evidence.
@JonHuhnMedical
@JonHuhnMedical 2 жыл бұрын
@@redpillfreedom6692 Two things: 1) If you're wanting to demonstrate that atheism is the intelligent choice, then incoherently babbling derogatory names at people like a four year old isn't helping your case. And 2) I'm embarrassed for you that you're not seeing the irony of you completely misreading my post, and then calling ME the doofus. Be a better person from now on.
@JonHuhnMedical
@JonHuhnMedical 2 жыл бұрын
@@redpillfreedom6692 Hey, man, my last reply was a bit out of line. I should have been kinder in my approach, I'm sorry.
@michaelrodriguez7889
@michaelrodriguez7889 2 жыл бұрын
TheAnimator, I’m glad that you not only apologized, but also left the original comment instead of pretending it didn’t happen, like most people would do. I have the same knee jerk reaction sometimes, so seeing someone 180 like this always warms my heart. Keep growing in Christ brother, and we’ll continue to love our Atheist neighbors as ourselves and pray for their salvation. Hopefully more and more of them will come to Christ
@johnwoodruff1878
@johnwoodruff1878 3 жыл бұрын
To say, that there is no evidence for the resurrection is pure intellectual dishonesty and they know it. The truth of the matter is, they don’t want to believe based on moral grounds which they will probably never admit to. They love their sin And refuse to depart from it.
@Greyz174
@Greyz174 2 жыл бұрын
saying people dont believe because they really dont want to is pure intellectual dishonesty
@forgiven1683
@forgiven1683 5 жыл бұрын
He mentioned from a question of other mythical figures having the same life, death, and resurrection as Jesus that came before him. But all these stories if you look into them just simply don’t have anything similar to Jesus. Mike did the Apollonius video debunking that but look at Steven bancarz zeitgeist debunked video. It walks through the other so called legends that parallel Jesus.
@lil-al
@lil-al 4 жыл бұрын
They don't have to be similar to Jesus. These stories just show that this was a religious trope going round at the time, and Jesus is just another example. He is really nothing special, and is as made up as Attis and Mithras.
@jobinrajukoshy5257
@jobinrajukoshy5257 5 жыл бұрын
thanks from India. i love ur videos
@benjaminpedersen9548
@benjaminpedersen9548 3 жыл бұрын
The times I have told people about Paul's conversion, they have said that he must have come to believe so strongly in the principles of Christianity that he thought it was worth lying and die for. It does not compute for me, but I must admit, it is a better explanation than mass hallucination, not resurrection though.
@di4c4christ12
@di4c4christ12 2 жыл бұрын
Paul was a Torah observant Hebrew…that argument does not follow. As a believer in Hashem, for Paul to “lie” about his belief in the one true God he would be committing blasphemy and idolatry. Paul would be sending his soul to eternal damnation for Christian ethics even though he did not believe that Yeshua was God manifest in flesh? I think not. 1 Corinthians 15- 14 And if Christ has not been raised,(AD) our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead.(AE) But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.(AF) 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep(AG) in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.(AH)
@BornOnThursday
@BornOnThursday 3 жыл бұрын
The facts are often, "Yes, it says this in the gospel, you can read it for yourself." People often want other places to look that corroborate what they are reading, such as sources or citations. That's why we tell people not to rely on Wikipedia, as they are likely not checking the sources and just accepting the data on the page as fact.
@filler7149
@filler7149 2 жыл бұрын
We dont just have the bible although the bible is a compilation of separate works by separate people. There is also the letter of lentulus and an empty tomb. Not to mention philosophical and cosmological proofs ect. The thing is when considering Christianity the fact is that you need to consider ALL the proof not just some whenever it seem fit. My coming to Jesus (ex athiest) was when I realized 1. The bible isnt just 1 book written by 1 person (every human name is a separate human) 2. This makes the historical case strong because even considering the fact that the apostles talked with eachother the fact that Paul only went to them once and his book was dated after paired with the book of lentulus puts the MINIMUM total to 3 separate accounts of his crucifixion and 2 separate accounts for his resurrection AND a body not to be found. 3. The fact that we are so far evolutionarily from other animals for no reason and dominate the world despite delusion and suicidal tendencies and laziness being rife is very odd. 4. The infinite complexity of our universe is kinda a big deal 5. The lead theory of creation without God is literally just "and then it happened" 6. If we truly were just evolution then why do we feel the need to "save the turtles" when there is a high probability that it wouldn't matter that much to our survival 7. Why does living a biblical life make me so much happier. Also Pascal's wager and all the other proof blah blah blah those weren't as important but point is the facts are: some people wrote books that scholars agree were indeed wrote by themselves separately describing a crucifixion with a resurrection, these people then held true to what they said when facing death and beatings, one of them gave the death and beatings out before randomly 180ing after claiming to see Jesus, there is a letter confirming Jesus death, there is no progress on finding Jesus body, the Godless explanation for creation is just an atom that blew up and no one knows where the atom came from, we have non-selfish morals despite the fact that is denies logic, the text has predicted events that became true (according to scholarly dating) yeah im with the Christian's on this one
@NaniDaMountFuji
@NaniDaMountFuji Жыл бұрын
@Fil Ler you are pretty much saying... well nothing else seems to fit the case so it's god! You need to look into some science books and figure out what contradicts the Bible. The earth isn't being held on 4 pillars like the Bible says and the earth isn't in the middle of the universe. Oh and the Bible allows slavery. So even IF the Bible was true.. slavery is something that is practiced in the book.
@TomAnderson_81
@TomAnderson_81 6 жыл бұрын
Almost any alternative hypothesis is probably a more PLAUSIBLE option.
@dwayneconaway1733
@dwayneconaway1733 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it would be, if we didn't have historical evidence to support the resurrection.
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
Dwayne Conaway And by historical evidence you probably mean anonymous hearsay based on oral traditions.😂
@rofettdrums213
@rofettdrums213 3 жыл бұрын
Mike, what software do you use? I want to start a channel but don't know anything haha! How do you make the scripture/ slide show pop up on your screen?
@agentclol
@agentclol 3 жыл бұрын
He uses Logos 9 Bible software, and he uses Microsoft PowerPoint for the slide shows.
@nicholascelia3393
@nicholascelia3393 3 жыл бұрын
I hope you are feeling better. The last live stream was canceled due to you, Pastor Mike having a headache. Felt bad that you were hurting, and praying that you have recovered and can be at the next live stream. I'm struggling with the belief in reincarnation, and confused as to Resurrection, in specific , will people be coming out of graves and such, confusing that regard. And how about a Christian say who might have been consumed by a cannibal, sorry if this sounds like a bad joke but a realistic question.
@johnfruechte3265
@johnfruechte3265 5 жыл бұрын
I like your work in Christ, but I was thinking in response to people like doubting Thomas; the proof he is looking for is Jesus' words. By seeking to hear, know and understand we spiritually grow and the Holy Spirit reveals all understanding. And we become spiritually changed and have our proof of God.
@darken3150
@darken3150 6 жыл бұрын
Mike saying "I don't know" is superior to pretending to know things you don't know.
@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 6 жыл бұрын
I agree. But I honestly don't think that this is what Matt Dillahunty is doing in this case. The main reason for this is that the 5 facts I spoke of are arrived at through the normal historical method (meaning that these things are not in the category of "unknown" or "unknowable"). Matt's method of rhetoric is to avoid handling the evidence rather than to seek to explain it reasonably.
@lexter8379
@lexter8379 5 жыл бұрын
Expect your explanation is miracle which is by definition impossible, which is the reason why from Hume on everybody position is that miracle is less probable then for example mass halucination. We don't know miracles happen, there is no mechanism for them, no reason (apart to confirm your position). You obviously don't understand this core argument. Not to mention human testimony is one of the less valuable evidence as humans can lie, be wrong, under the influence of drug etc.
@gospelbass7
@gospelbass7 5 жыл бұрын
@@lexter8379 how is miracles impossible? Because they break natural laws?
@lexter8379
@lexter8379 5 жыл бұрын
By definition as they break the laws of nature, but even If we dismiss this fun answer they are MUCH less probable as they assume that reality as we understand it suddenly stops work in your favor, which is obviously less probable then for example a mass halutination.
@gospelbass7
@gospelbass7 5 жыл бұрын
@@lexter8379 I understand your way of seeing this, but there we have to remember that miracles do not happen by natural laws and also we have to first define natural laws, what they really are. Are they just descriptions of events happening or are they just probabilities inside the universe what will happen. I think you cannot conclude that miracles cannot happen because of the natural laws by itself. However you are in some way right when we investigate scenes or anything else, but can we assume that there could not be an miracle happening. If we have good reasons to believe that some miracle happened (or how we define miracles) then we should think so but on the other hand we should be careful. There is regularity theorem, casual disposition theorem and nomic necessity theorem about the natural laws.
@brenthardaway3704
@brenthardaway3704 Жыл бұрын
Hey, Mike, do you have a quote from Ehrman about what he taught his students about not coming up with an alternate theory? Not doubting you, I'd just love to have that documentation available!
@GizmoFromPizmo
@GizmoFromPizmo 2 жыл бұрын
What videos have you done on the subject of the Westcott & Hort Text? This is a Gnostic Greek rewriting of the original Greek manuscripts, which have been foisted on the faithful. We were made to believe the sources for the Westcott & Hort Text were more ancient than the Textus Receptus but, in fact, are late redactions of that original text. How did Westcott and Hort die? Was it sudden and unexpected?
@floridaLise
@floridaLise 5 жыл бұрын
Be encouraged! I saw Cam and Doug's KZfaq video of a fake Christian vs. Atheist debate. I was not impressed. I appreciate your hope in the human spirit.
@SportyReffy
@SportyReffy 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for studying the Word and giving us the cliff notes. Thank you for your time and hard work.
@Greyz174
@Greyz174 2 жыл бұрын
These are really unfair cliff notes for some of the guys. Look at their content for yourself. For example, Ehrman doesn't say that you have to flat out deny miracles no matter what, he says that that historians cant prove miracles because historians can only say what probably happened and miracles are by definition improbable. How I understand this take is that if a historian cant come up with a non miraculous explanation for an event, they have to say "I dont know, we need more information before we say what happened" instead of using a by-definition improbable miracle as an explanation. So even if it happened, you cant as a competent historian say it, because historians only work with what probably happened and miracles are by definition improbable. You can say that you believe that God did it, and you can have religious reasons to believe it, but you can't, while being a good historian, use a by definition improbable explanation. Even if you might have reasons to disagree, say you think this misrepresents what historians do or that this miracle isnt as improbable as Brat thinks, Bart's real position is way better than Mike's horribly bad faith "miracles shouldnt be believed even if they happened" version. 21:10, Mike literally used these words to describe it. It's funny because I've heard Mike accuse Bart of playing with reality in another video. If you have reason to believe that Jesus rose from the dead and that skeptic responses to this are bad, at least listen to the skeptics and not just this convenient and superficial run through that makes them all look delusional.
@allthethingsyouwillsee1081
@allthethingsyouwillsee1081 Жыл бұрын
Mike does a great job of explaining and helping us understand God’s word. I’m thankful for him too.
@VG-rj8pn
@VG-rj8pn Жыл бұрын
You nor this yammering fool know nothing about "the word" God's word is no book least of all the Bible
@semadar856
@semadar856 2 жыл бұрын
I like how you're in the thumbnail 🤣
@Derek_Baumgartner
@Derek_Baumgartner 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work!
@vejeke
@vejeke 3 жыл бұрын
19:19 He is “Lying for Jesus” again. This is what D. Hume actually said: “For I own, that otherwise, *there may possibly be miracles,* or violations of the usual course of nature, of such a kind as to admit of proof from human testimony; though, perhaps, it will be impossible to find any such in all the records of history.” This is what Mike Winger said: “In David Hume mind miracles are *impossible*, period, end of story. And therefore, no matter what the evidencie is, we deny the resurrection.” And then he proceeds to *misquote* him... Sadly this is a common tactic among apologists.
@ashley_brown6106
@ashley_brown6106 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos SO MUCH you convinced me to change some of my views (especially about the trinity). Thank you for helping me in my journey to Christ!
@wantlessworkless.2558
@wantlessworkless.2558 Жыл бұрын
Ashley_ brown. You must have been unsure about your beliefs for aa long time if you are thanking this guy for his own "interpretation". You should ask yourself , who is he to change the literal words of God ?????
@sofidofie
@sofidofie 11 ай бұрын
@@wantlessworkless.2558He literally used the Bible to support his points. His whole thing is “think biblically” 🫠
@darkeen42
@darkeen42 9 ай бұрын
Will you should listen to actual skeptics instead of this dude's version of what skeptics say you'll find it a very very different set of problems.
@pdxnikki1
@pdxnikki1 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, bless you, my dear brother, Mike! Or should I say, Rabbi Winger! My brain feels exceedingly fresh, like the wind of heaven just cleared out all the stale air & shined a great beautiful light from heaven. Clearly & succinctly exposing these atheists attempt at “arguments” is a thing of beauty!
@mvmv9205
@mvmv9205 5 жыл бұрын
God bless you, mu friend. You are a true follower of Christ. What you are doing is a REAL hole job. May our Lord Jesus Christ gives you even more knowledge and may He protect you and your loved ones from any danger and harm. We love you with the love of Our Savior. You are a great man Mike. I hope you know that;)
@floridaLise
@floridaLise 5 жыл бұрын
This is AWESOME! only 253 upvotes??? People, give this man credit for his work. I am amazed at the teaching and the fire of his convictions.
@lil-al
@lil-al 4 жыл бұрын
I gave him the credit he deserves and downvoted it.
@filler7149
@filler7149 2 жыл бұрын
@@lil-al cheer up buttercup :)
@VG-rj8pn
@VG-rj8pn Жыл бұрын
There is no credit due to blathering churchy idiocy
@russellmiles2861
@russellmiles2861 Жыл бұрын
He is just making stuff. He just repeats names and asserts if they are right or wrong. He never gives any references at all to his assertions. He is even getting the Bible wrong. There are devote folk who are very learned whom give constructive arguments; eg, N. T. Wright, Bishop Barron, James Dunn, Matthew J. Korpman and many other. They are scholars and church leaders. This dude is crank
@johnbull9195
@johnbull9195 3 жыл бұрын
I think easy-believism is used to mean you you can be saved without repentance (which obviously isn't the case)
@gabrielalvarado3348
@gabrielalvarado3348 4 жыл бұрын
If people died for the belief that Christ was risen, and they all saw Him alive, and they had the choice to tell their executioners that they were lying, and they didn't, that's good enough for me. You don't die believing in a lie.
@trevorper
@trevorper 4 жыл бұрын
First of all, I would assume MOST people die believing a lie, but some of us are unknowingly defending a lie to the death (see Jihadists as a clear example from this perspective). Additionally, who’s to say they wouldn’t have been put to death if they denied it anyway?
@jimharmon2300
@jimharmon2300 4 жыл бұрын
Tell that to Jim Jones followers and many others .
@Broadcxsting
@Broadcxsting 3 жыл бұрын
Christian Slayer well that’s wrong Paul was talking about if Christ had not been risen from the dead but if you put context behind the verse and read the whole chapter you can clearly tell he thinks Christ has risen from the dead
@theeverlastingman
@theeverlastingman 3 жыл бұрын
Trevor Haugen So we’re not talking about Jihadists, we’re talking about people who converted to a religion that had not previously believed in and was utterly exclusionary (Judaism) that was heavily persecuted for 300 years in the midsts of the worst oppression of a religious group that had been witnessed in history. Jihadists are war mongerers, Christians are axiomatically peaceful. They had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by believing. Their brothers, wives, children and grand children would all be put to death for their beliefs, yet they still died martyrs. There comes a point where you just gotta say “come on dude.”
@trevorper
@trevorper 3 жыл бұрын
Christian Slayer Thanks for l that scripture ref!
@grahamwrigglesworth9825
@grahamwrigglesworth9825 5 жыл бұрын
Mike - can you let me know what historical sources outside the NT there are for the empty tomb and it being visited by ladies? What is the historical position, again outside NT, as to the tomb being guarded. That seems to be not mentioned in some of the gospels. Wouldn't that be worth mentioning in any account?
@epicchrist2941
@epicchrist2941 5 жыл бұрын
You seem to think The gospels are not a historical document, but that is not true. We don't have any references to the empty tomb but we have quotes that allude to it. Such as josephus who says that people claimed to see jesus after his death. or when paul in corinth 15 which is dated 2 years or months after Jesus crucifixion talks about jesus rising. which means he came back to life physically. which means he left his tomb.
@lil-al
@lil-al 4 жыл бұрын
@@epicchrist2941 no. we know the gospels are myth by their construction and use of old testament and greek literature (upon which they are crafted). the testimonium flavianum is a forgery, as any historian will tell you. Paul talks about a death and resurrection, no mention of a tomb (he should have mentioned it as "proof" but he did not, why not?? his only proof is "according to the scriptures" where he got his whole tale from, that and his hallucinations). Paul definitely did not mean he came back to life physically, he thought people were raised spiritually. Paul never even thought jesus was a historical man, but a celestial being who was born, died and resurrected in the heavens. The tomb is a plot device to "show" that jesus was resurrected by being empty (can you see the plot hole there though?). no evidence of a tomb, an empty tomb or a resurrection.
@Rob-ym
@Rob-ym 3 жыл бұрын
@@lil-al but if Paul never thought that Jesus was an historical man then why does he states that he died , was buried and rose? A celestial being can’t be buried, he also says “ For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the MAN Christ Jesus”
@Thrawnmulus
@Thrawnmulus 4 жыл бұрын
Point 2 is saying the resurrection happened because the people who would be looking after the dead at a tomb, discovered an "empty tomb" well darn, who would have thought a sailor found something on the docks?
@KitsuneStories
@KitsuneStories Жыл бұрын
“Take a guard,” Pilate answered. “Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how.” So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.
@Vinsanity997
@Vinsanity997 4 жыл бұрын
Ehrman really doesn’t give an explanation for the minimal facts argument in his book how Jesus became god’
@apologetics-101
@apologetics-101 3 жыл бұрын
Not exactly, but I think he gives his theory on the burial; in fact, that's the book where Bart publicly denied the proper burial of Jesus.
@petery6432
@petery6432 3 жыл бұрын
@@apologetics-101 Bart Erhman created the skepticism around how Jesus was buried.
@apologetics-101
@apologetics-101 3 жыл бұрын
@@petery6432 Not exactly. John Dominic Crossan had claimed that Jesus was thrown into a shallow grave or eaten by wild dogs back in the 90s I believe. The only thing Ehrman added to that was believing that Jesus was left rotting on the cross. However, neither of them has any evidence for this. We know this happened to some crucified persons, but we also know this wasn't universal. Both Josephus & Philo gives us accounts & times when Romans allowed for proper burial of a crucified person. Also, archaeologists found a Jew named Yohannium (it's possible I misspelled that) in a bone box (ossuary) which is hard evidence of a Jew being given a proper burial after being crucified. Since we know such practices were not universal, the burden of proof is on both John Dominic Crossan & Bart Ehrman to provide the evidence that Jesus didn't receive a proper burial. What is more is that we have strong evidence that Jesus received a proper burial from the early creed in 1 Cor. 15 & the pre-Marcan Passion narrative, not to mention the fact that Joseph of Aramathea taking care of Jesus' burial fulfills the criteria of embarrassment since he sat on the Sanhedrin, the same council that condemned Jesus, making it very improbable that the burial story was made up. So, Bart & others like him, are forced to contend with that very strong historical grounding. Thanks for replying! Blessings!
@018music018
@018music018 3 жыл бұрын
You're making one big mistake throughout this. Many of them (sam harris in particular) are saying that any amount of testimonials are insufficient evidence for such a big claim. You then say they don't acknowledge ANY evidence. Testimonials of all sorts can be lies, other types of evidence cannot be, and there is none of the second type.
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, even if we actually had gospels that were written by real eyewitnesses months after Jesus died then that still wouldn’t be enough.
@petarvasiljevic8764
@petarvasiljevic8764 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramigilneas9274 What if they died for their claim?
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
@@petarvasiljevic8764 Then that wouldn’t tell us anything about if their claims were true. A lot of people believe stuff that is not true for dumb reasons.
@petarvasiljevic8764
@petarvasiljevic8764 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramigilneas9274 They died for a supposed lie. (Early Christians)
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
@@petarvasiljevic8764 Actually no one knows how most of them died. Historians are pretty certain that Paul, James and 2 of the disciples died as martyrs... but the evidence for the rest of the disciples is mostly contradicting legends from centuries later.
@GeoffNelson
@GeoffNelson 3 жыл бұрын
22:20 I understand Ehrman’s explanation to be that all he could find to read about crucifixion suggested the bodies were left to rot on the crosses, not taken down and given proper burials. What about that point?
@othername6345
@othername6345 3 жыл бұрын
In the OT Law (Deuteronomy 21: 22 to 23 - sorry of the spelling is off, second language) God forbids the Jewish people from allowing a body to hang on a tree overnight - he must be buried the same day. So even of they hated Jesus they knew God sees it as defilement of their land to allow it to happen and that's why they asked Him to be taken down and buried.
@GeoffNelson
@GeoffNelson 3 жыл бұрын
@@othername6345 thanks for that. That's seems like a good answer. Do you think Jews did that with everyone the Romans crucified?
@jjbradian3834
@jjbradian3834 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I find this list of historians that agree on all of your claims? I've looked but had no luck.
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
It does not exist... only in the minds of Apologists.😂
@webslinger527
@webslinger527 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramigilneas9274 that’s not true but ok
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
@@webslinger527 Nah, no one has ever seen this list, Gary Habermas refuses to release his study... and now Michael Licona does the same. It’s really pathetic.😂
@webslinger527
@webslinger527 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramigilneas9274 It’s so pathetic about it but these two people haven’t released his study if you think that’s pathetic that’s really saddening
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
@@webslinger527 Well, when your best evidence for the resurrection is an imaginary study that no one has ever seen, that probably never will get released and that if it will ever get released most likely won’t look like you thought it would look... then that is pathetic. In reality historians aren’t even certain if the empty tomb existed at all or if it was just a late addition to the myth.
@gamotter
@gamotter 6 жыл бұрын
Could someone please point me to the polling that shows that a majority of qualified worldwide historians believe those things. I'd not heard that before and find it frankly unbelievable. But certainly willing to change my mind with sufficient evidence.
@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 6 жыл бұрын
garyhabermas.com has some info on that. What he is doing is, I believe, considered to be better than simply polling scholars in general. He has been surveying the scholarly literature of those who actually work on the topic specifically. He is a scholar in the field himself but seeks, like Bart Ehrman, to be accessible to the lay person.
@gamotter
@gamotter 6 жыл бұрын
So then equivalent to only polling Historians who intently study the historicity of the Quran? Or say the historicity of Hindu Holy texts? That would seem to have a self selection sampling problem. No?
@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 6 жыл бұрын
It would be if it was limited to only those who are already religiously committed to the thing in question. It's nice to be a scholar but most only have first hand knowledge in very limited areas. Habermas focuses on those who have studied and published in the area in question. This seems a very wise way to survey scholarly views on the issue. Consider the validity of polling a scholar in Shakespearean tragedy to see his view of the implications of the early creed represented in 1 Corinthians 15.
@gamotter
@gamotter 6 жыл бұрын
That seems to have the problem backwards. It's not about ensuring you don't exclude some, its making sure you don't have an biased pool to start. Of all historians, are those who tend to study religious historicity generally more inclined to be believers of the religion they are studying? If so that's going to invalidate that argument from authority since there is good reason to think it is no longer an un-biased authority. We would see the same problem with Islam and Hinduism also.
@MikeWinger
@MikeWinger 6 жыл бұрын
Forgive me for not having time to continue this very worthwhile conversation. Let me share a couple quick but important thoughts before I defer to you to have the last word. 1- It's really important to me that you see why the religious affiliation of those surveyed is not a factor (feel free to do your own research on this but don't just guess at reasons why you might dismiss the scholarly literature on the topic). The literature surveyed by Habermas shows agreement beyond religious lines (that's an important point you seem to be unaware of). 2- The historical claims (the 5 facts) are NOT religious beliefs. They are not miraculous and they are not arrived at through any means other than the normal methods of historical research. This means that we can believe those 5 facts based on normal historical methods. This is a foundational point to the case for the resurrection and I urge you to consider it. 3- It is the explanation of those facts, not the facts, that the debate ought to be about. If you want to challenge the facts themselves then fine but it's more than a little presumptuous to just come up with stuff off the top of your head to discount the mountain of research that has gone into historians being able to make this case. This is probably my biggest beef with those who are trying to reject this evidence for the resurrection. They feel comfortable casually throwing off the scholarship without much more than a fabricated reason they haven't taken the time to consider critically. If they do grant the "facts" (which I note they almost never do) they don't put much thought or effort into explaining them reasonably. But now I am rehashing the content of the video so I'll stop. If you are interested in this case I encourage you to do your own study on it but not to just casually throw off what is a careful, evidence based case for the resurrection. After all, isn't evidence the thing that most skeptics claim they are actually interested in? Thanks for your time and consideration!
@graftedin8784
@graftedin8784 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mike, I appreciate your advice, keep up your great work, us Brits need some decent preaching, love it!
@lil-al
@lil-al 4 жыл бұрын
You don't need decent preaching. You need reason and evidence. You will not get that from Mike or any preacher.
@ColumboE7
@ColumboE7 2 жыл бұрын
I love this my brother 👍🙏🏻❤️
@nutjob9696
@nutjob9696 4 жыл бұрын
The Twin Theory doesn't work because "Brov, I know we don't see each other eye to eye and I've been hanging out with my apostle mates alot. The thing is I need to ask you of a really! really! really! big favour."
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 4 жыл бұрын
roasted pancakes Not as ridiculous as the resurrection. A twin taking the place of his sibling isn’t that crazy.
@MegaAce54
@MegaAce54 Жыл бұрын
Non believers are not on a truth quest you're on a happiness quest. And they know the truth quest will interfere with their happiness quest. And so that's why they deny it.
@eirikmurito
@eirikmurito 5 жыл бұрын
Folks look up the word ad hoc theory if you dont know what it is because this tecnique is used all over science. Thanks Mike for introducing me to that new word :)
@Rosie-uf5ox
@Rosie-uf5ox 3 жыл бұрын
So much of naturalistic science boils down to, “Well, we have no idea how or why this happened, but we know 100% for sure it couldn’t have been a deity and eventually we’ll figure it out.”
@airitindeparrotin6018
@airitindeparrotin6018 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rosie-uf5ox Ikr. The funny thing is that atoms, the base of nature, want nothing more than to be at complete equilibrium and doing as little work as possible. So the accidentally creation of life makes no sense. If life was an accident, then in order to do as little as possible, life would have died out quickly. There is little equilibrium to life and there is certainly a lot of work involved to keep it going. Nature must have really messed up.
@niederrheiner8468
@niederrheiner8468 4 ай бұрын
In Pauls letters (the oldest account of the resurrection) he understands it as a spiritual resurrection.
@TheOppiter
@TheOppiter Жыл бұрын
"you cant ask a question, you're not allowed to answer, and then pretend like you answered the question" quote of the day.
@LukeVidler
@LukeVidler 3 жыл бұрын
Best part of this video is when you quoted Hume.
@vejeke
@vejeke 3 жыл бұрын
19:19 He is “Lying for Jesus” again. This is what D. Hume actually said: “For I own, that otherwise, *there may possibly be miracles,* or violations of the usual course of nature, of such a kind as to admit of proof from human testimony; though, perhaps, it will be impossible to find any such in all the records of history.” This is what Mike Winger said: “In David Hume mind miracles are *impossible,* period, end of story. And therefore, no matter what the evidencie is, we deny the resurrection.” And then he proceeds to *misquote* him... Sadly this is a common tactic among apologists.
@VaughanMcCue
@VaughanMcCue 3 жыл бұрын
@@vejeke I really wish fellows like M Wing did not tell lies. He seems such a nice person, and I really want to trust him. It only takes a few intentional lies, and it causes me to start to wonder about the rest of their story. That is why I escaped X'tinsanity. You can let pass one error or lie, but it does not stop at just follow-up lies, but the attempt to cover up with obfuscation is heartbreaking. Is the final message *that* bad to need this sort of deception? You will know them by their maggot filled fruits.
@whatsinaname691
@whatsinaname691 3 жыл бұрын
@@vejeke You can’t take that quote and then claim that Winger is being dishonest. Hume flat out denies all miracles in that quote and then says, as Winger brought up, there might be a miracle that he would accept. Edited out last part since it muddled the clarity
@vejeke
@vejeke 3 жыл бұрын
@@whatsinaname691 The hell I can't. He deliberately misrepresents Hume's position so that it says *what he is interested in people believing Hume said* even though it is almost the opposite of what Hume actually said. Thus he gets his group members to think "Hume flat out denies all miracles in that quote" when the quote literally says "there may possibly be miracles". 19:31 Here's what Mike Winger said next: "Let me read you one of the things he wrote. He says: «The plain consequence is (and it is a general maxim worthy of our attention), ‘that no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle" And then, instead of keep quoting Hume till the end of the sentence, Mike just repeated "that no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle". Now I'm asking you, would you read only the first part of an author's quote in front of your public to try to summarize his opinion on a subject when the very next word in the middle of that quote is *"unless"* ? He is being dishonest and manipulative in order to protect the beliefs he already holds, a common tactic among apologists of all kinds of religions. Here is the full text, without repeating or omitting anything. "The plain consequence is (and it is a general maxim worthy of our attention), ‘that no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, *unless* the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavors to establish; and even in that case there is a mutual destruction of arguments, and the superior only gives us an assurance suitable to that degree of force, which remains, after deducting the inferior.’ When anyone tells me, that he saw a dead man restored to life, I immediately consider with myself, whether it be more probable, that this person should either deceive or be deceived, or that the fact, which he relates, should really have happened. I weigh the one miracle against the other; and according to the superiority, which I discover, I pronounce my decision, and always reject the greater miracle. If the falsehood of his testimony would be more miraculous, than the event which he relates; then, and not till then, can he pretend to command my belief or opinion." Mike tries to manipulate his audience to help convince himself. That's why he talks about methodological naturalism in terms of "a blind faith position", it is a well-known psychological defense mechanism. *_Psychological projection_*_ is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others. For example, a bully may project his or her own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people._ _Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping._
@glurp1
@glurp1 2 жыл бұрын
@@vejeke I am surprised you are assuming Mike is being deliberately dishonest, but it is common to assume that people on your side of an issue are more moral than people on the other side. It is pretty clear from Hume's essay on miracles that he is not at all open to them. It sounds like Mike understands Hume better than you do.
@joestschmidt8245
@joestschmidt8245 2 жыл бұрын
This is so disingenuous, that I couldn''t make it half way through the video. And it is insultingly easy to check for everybody, atheist and christian alike. Just watch the debate between WLC and Bart Ehrmann. Ehrmann does *not* grant WLCs historical facts in that debate. It is an obvious and deliberately misleading straw man to claim otherwise. In fact, in his first rebuttal he explicitly critizises the biblical sources from which these "facts" can only be established. Furthermore, it is next to impossible to characterise Ehrmanns position on miracles more unfavorable. You are not even trying to fairly represent the argument Ehrmann makes, before argueing against it. And it is not a complicated argument: Historians try to find the most probable explanation, given certain facts. Probability can only be measured when you look at things that happen regularly and in accordance with laws (like the laws of nature). For instance, you can measure the probability of a coin toss, because you can flip a coin a thousand times and check the results. But you can't measure the probability of a coin toss that results in neither heads or tails, but in some miraculous event (the upper side of the coin shows the entire movie "Spiderman"). That is because such a miracle would be a one-off events that don't happen by any measure of probability. Therefore, the historian cannot establish a miracle as the most probable explanation. It does not mean that miracles have never occured, it just means that by sound historical reasoning they cannot be established as the most likely explanation. Now, you can argue with Ehrmann's position. But you just misrepresented it, basically showing everyone that you did not really understand it, and dismissed it without tackling the issue.
@allthethingsyouwillsee1081
@allthethingsyouwillsee1081 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Pastor Mike
@yurigagarin1728
@yurigagarin1728 2 жыл бұрын
Mike, I wish you spent more time on that Michael Licona book answer. It wasn't a small question it's a big one. I'm definitely gonna buy the book now, but brother I would have loved a more detailed answer to physical evidence question. I know that there is plenty and you could have answered his question better. I'd like to point out things like place names mentioned in the bible that were later excavated and confirmed. Love you man
@kennethrassie9253
@kennethrassie9253 3 жыл бұрын
Great work mike . Keep up the good work. Fight the good fight , keep the faith . 🔜✝KZN South Africa🇮🇱🌹🇿🇦👍🇮🇱🔥🇿🇦😁🇮🇱👊🇿🇦🎶🇮🇱👏🇿🇦
@KeganVanSickle
@KeganVanSickle 2 жыл бұрын
38:45 - 39:06 is a mic drop moment. I love this. Thank you Mike!
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 8 ай бұрын
Sounds more like Winger doesn’t understand the argument.
@georgejaquith4732
@georgejaquith4732 2 жыл бұрын
We appreciate your strong defense of the faith through scholarship and conviction for our sacred beliefs. PTL
@Amlux1984
@Amlux1984 2 жыл бұрын
How solid are the independent appearances of Jesus? I would like to know more about this. The Bible is clear, any other sources? Thanks for reading and answering!
@willardstephens3127
@willardstephens3127 4 жыл бұрын
Happy to have found this title. But was looking fwd to better information, Mike. The title was promising, but I think your explanations of skeptics' positions were pretty much just a strawman. I am very familiar with all the skeptics mentioned. You treated their explanations only minimally and created a strawman at best. I am a former Christian (from age 14 until about 55) but am now an atheist. But I watch vids & read from both sides. My hobby, in fact--and it has been since my teen years)--is studying NT history and early Church history and the historicity of the Bible, etc. I love the Bible (as literature, I no longer take it as God's Word) and am interested in both sides, as I said. I think you offered a bum critique of the skeptics. Some truth, but a lot of straw. Still, now that I found your channel, I will be tuning in more as long as I find value and convincing refutation--a little more convincing than this vid. Best wishes.
@jenniferdavies7784
@jenniferdavies7784 4 жыл бұрын
You've hardened your heart and now demand a better job from a Man of God? Do your own research, choosey beggar. With Love💜
@vuke6931
@vuke6931 4 жыл бұрын
This particular video is not as much of a specified refutation as many of Mike's, it's a bit more generalized as it's an overview of positions, so while I don't think that was ever intentioned I'm sure it's easier for misteps to be made in representation. I would reccomend something like the two parter Mike does on Aron Ra's video about Christian prophecy, he gets to go more in depth on each point brought up in the videos there and he's directly showing the video to be as accurate as possible about the points given. I know I'm several months late but hope you'll give it a look mate!
@LoraxChannel
@LoraxChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Dude I don't think you know what strawman means, lol. He doesn't have more time. Mike was amazingly clear and direct.
@boriscuduco6398
@boriscuduco6398 3 жыл бұрын
@@vuke6931 Interesting, how do you handle a prophecy that even the prophet himself admitted failed? Ezequiel 26-29, How do we dogde that? Why do we dogde that?
@Glorious716
@Glorious716 3 жыл бұрын
Keep searching, God bless
@EmmanuelTomes
@EmmanuelTomes 5 жыл бұрын
The dishonesty shown here is appalling.
@koppite9600
@koppite9600 4 жыл бұрын
Claim from you.
@LoraxChannel
@LoraxChannel 3 жыл бұрын
I know right, so many dishonest statements that you can list . . . . um none.
@EmmanuelTomes
@EmmanuelTomes 3 жыл бұрын
@@LoraxChannel A YT comment does not require a formal thesis, you muppet. If you really, really want I can rewatch and have specific examples listed. But its kind of dumb to jump in a comment thread handing out demerits as if all comments are fully fleshed out. If youre curious about my claim, just ask.
@tommytomtom320
@tommytomtom320 2 жыл бұрын
Mesopotamia is a region of southwest Asia in the Tigris and Euphrates river system that benefitted from the area's climate and geography to host the Beginnings of Human Civilization. The civilization is majorly known for is Prosperity, City Life and its Rich and Voluminous Literature, Religion, Mathematics and Astronomy. They believe Sumerian civilization first took form in southern Mesopotamia around 4000 BCE-or 6000 years ago-which would make it the first urban civilization in the region. Mesopotamians are noted for developing the first written Religious Scripts around 3000 BCE: wedge-shaped marks pressed into clay tablets. Scholars' worked, and published in the international journal of Nature, said the Civilisation predates Egypt's ancient people (7,000 BC to 3,000 BC) and could mark a significant shift in the study of ancient societies. The Literature Written can be Traced through out all other Civilizations Literature after that. Religions Through out time has used this Literature to create there own Religions how they see fit. Basically Misleading People for 1000's of Years. Telling Lie's to Benefit There Agendas and Control. That's why there are 1000+ Religions. And there story's are so similar. SO MAN DID WRIGHT THE BIBLE... If you Can't Understand this, It's Not My Problem.
@EHonda-ds6ve
@EHonda-ds6ve 4 жыл бұрын
You forgot Aliens :D
@darken3150
@darken3150 6 жыл бұрын
Mike, You reference a consensus of historians a few times and that made me wonder. Would you still believe in the resurrection of jesus christ If historians didn't agree on those 5 points? Lets say only 10% agreed on the 5 points you mentioned. Would you still be convinced that the resurrection happened?
@darken3150
@darken3150 6 жыл бұрын
I ask because you seem to put a lot of stock into the consensus of historians.
@lil-al
@lil-al 4 жыл бұрын
@@darken3150 And I think he really means biblical historians, of which many, if not most, are christian. If he polled secular biblical historians only he would get a vastly different answer which is why he won't do it.
@ColumboE7
@ColumboE7 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Darken... I think Christians claim that their faith is evidence based. That history supports the claims, even from non Christian/secular historians. If there was no historical evidence that would be an issue! It’s claimed Science supports faith in God but does not specify to the resurrection account. So I would presume if Historians didn’t agree that could Pose problems. But I suppose we also have to look at the evidence ourselves and make our own minds up.
@darken3150
@darken3150 3 жыл бұрын
@@ColumboE7 "It’s claimed Science supports faith in God" please justify this statement
@ColumboE7
@ColumboE7 3 жыл бұрын
@@darken3150... hi Darken... in reply to your request. As I said it’s a claim... so... The fine tuning of the universe. The universe expansion suggests that the universe has a beginning and is therefore not eternal, means something must have caused it to begin. The Complexity/ appearance of design in nature. The law of entropy. These are some that spring to mind.
@jorgeh.ordonezt.9429
@jorgeh.ordonezt.9429 3 жыл бұрын
Please Mr. Winger, allow us the video or book reference where Ehrman says what you claim he says. Thank you.
@LarrySanger
@LarrySanger Жыл бұрын
Apologetics would sound about 25% more plausible if apologists just stopped treating the word "evidence" as if it were a count noun instead of a mass noun. "Evidences" just puts my teeth on edge (and I'm a believer).
@TheFitz4jazz
@TheFitz4jazz 2 жыл бұрын
A Princess Bride reference!!! I love you Mike!
@Kvothe3
@Kvothe3 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike: you have asked a couple times about what you got wrong about Dillahunty. One example is you say it seems he leans towards mysticism. He moderated a debate between Price and Ehrman and stated that he actual leans thw other way. I would also advise caution about making statements or speculating on the mental states and motivations of others. For example you say Ehrman probably changed his tune as a result of the Craig debate. That may be true but then again maybe not. The problem is these speculations are not without rhetorical effect. They seem to me like efforts to score a point for your side without actually demonstrating the truth of your claims. While ultimately I think you are mistaken to believe in God, I appreciate your content. Best of luck
@pdxnikki1
@pdxnikki1 3 жыл бұрын
JekyllendHyde Did you miss the logic trail, dude? Don’t be so easily side tracked. Focus! I believe in you,; you CAN do it.
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
Well, strawmanning is much easier than steelmanning, especially when your evidence is so pathetic and weak.
@Glorious716
@Glorious716 3 жыл бұрын
Keep searching, God bless
@Glorious716
@Glorious716 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramigilneas9274 Keep searching, God bless
@rudolfivonhabsburgkingofth601
@rudolfivonhabsburgkingofth601 2 жыл бұрын
even if the swoon theory was true it would still be a miracle in the sense Hume meant it and you could still have a case for the divinity of Jesus if the premise was granted. (he would be the first person to survive crucifixion
@keyman6689
@keyman6689 2 жыл бұрын
...and the swoon theory is a jab at the Romans. Like they weren't good at their job. C'mon, they knew how to kill someone. They also knew when someone was dead. People who use this theory probably haven't spent much time around dead people. You can tell when life has left the body.
@edwardmiessner6502
@edwardmiessner6502 2 жыл бұрын
And otherwise the first person to survive crucifixion (it's worse than you think) would be one of Josephus's friends, one of three who were taken down by Titus at his request. - Josephus, _Life_ 75
@monkkeygawd
@monkkeygawd Жыл бұрын
“Religions are divisive and quarrelsome. They are a form of one-upmanship because they depend upon separating the “saved” from the “damned,” the true believers from the heretics, the in-group from the out-group… All belief is fervent hope, and thus a cover-up for doubt and uncertainty.” ~ Alan Watts *Alan Watts was protestant minister, but left the religion to pursue the beautiful Eastern philosophy (Truth) of nondualism, such as found in Advaita Vedanta.
@eddieristau4214
@eddieristau4214 11 ай бұрын
These days you can have physical evidence, a multiple videos from various angles of an event & you'll still have "experts" deny in any which way. They will get up on a stand in front of a crowd and try to convince you it never was real but all an illusion. That kind of logic seems to fall on many, not all atheists. If something doesn't align with your feelings, the illusion card gets used. Keep up the good work Mike Winger may God Bless.
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