Mikko Hypponen: Fighting viruses, defending the net

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13 жыл бұрын

www.ted.com It's been 25 years since the first PC virus (Brain A) hit the net, and what was once an annoyance has become a sophisticated tool for crime and espionage. Computer security expert Mikko Hyppönen tells us how we can stop these new viruses from threatening the internet as we know it.
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@DeadWhiteButterflies 13 жыл бұрын

What an absolute legend. This is one of the best talks in ages. Some very fascinating points made, and the overhead projector was hilarious. That's also the first time I I've seen a floppy disk in 10 years :D Invite him back for another talk I say!

@isaactorres3740 8 ай бұрын

Legend, I love all the research he’s done throughout his life and dedication to global security

@mimibee409 9 жыл бұрын

I was At his talk At a conference this month. Wow...what a captivating speaker

@nurinath3583 5 жыл бұрын

Than you have a great experience

@un2mensch 13 жыл бұрын

This is now one of my favourite TED talks.

@tito1894 12 жыл бұрын

One of the best lectures ever.

@Geoshi 13 жыл бұрын

This was an awesome presentation!

@SiilUdusProduction 11 жыл бұрын

First I minimized my browser so I could do my job and just listen to this lecture. But I stopped doing my job within couple of minutes. It was fascinating! Tnx

@ayonhasan499 4 жыл бұрын

One of the best Talks

@isaiahjackson9 7 жыл бұрын

This was really good

@1ucasvb 8 жыл бұрын

Really great talk!

@miskee11 13 жыл бұрын

I was very surprised to see a Finnish guy giving a speech in TED, and I was pleasantly surprised the content and how he delivered it. Great speech on an interesting & important subject. P.S. Extra bonus points for the accent.

@Thimmet 13 жыл бұрын

A fascinating presentation.. Hyppönen is brilliant.

@crimsonboo8048 9 жыл бұрын

I just love Miko's talks thete are alot of new things he teach us. I am proud that almoust there are persons just like him

@mikitz 6 жыл бұрын

I hate to point this out, but his (and mine) name is Mikko. Why can't people pronounce it right (or even spell it)? Anyway, he's a very smart guy and, quite frankly, has done lots of things I previously thought I did first :P

@ScuffedBassist 4 жыл бұрын

@@mikitz Well said, Mikko!

@bwrightau 13 жыл бұрын

I agree with his conclusion in the sense that talented individuals should be given more opportunities but global cooperation on policing internet cirme will solve very little since he himself said it was very hard to even know where these attacks are coming from.

@ghosttyx 8 жыл бұрын

"If I just connect back to our lab sytems, through the web" Looks at URL C:/ 5:20

@herdisbak5164 8 жыл бұрын

It looks like a version of a container. Like the one used to connect to a work server book from the internet. Something like Boot2docker. Or it's just saved web pages on the drives.

@lambertbrother1628 6 жыл бұрын

Probably through a VPN he's already logged in to.

@Caluma122 5 жыл бұрын

Could be totally legit if that site ran some code that gathered the information in real time. The web site could be hosted anywhere, it's the data sources we're interested in. Besides the point, it works enough for a demo. I wouldn't want to rely on Internet connectivity to perform a talk of this nature.

@dylanlawless1 13 жыл бұрын

A book or movie based on the ideas in this would be EPIC

@sakokosa 13 жыл бұрын

presenting like a BOSS .

@NerdyLiberal 13 жыл бұрын

Relevant: I love this talk and the person giving it

@wasp89898989 11 жыл бұрын

This is one of the better Ted talks.

@BinaryReader 13 жыл бұрын

awesome talk

@Kaeralho 13 жыл бұрын

great talk, cheers

@Jeroenz0r 13 жыл бұрын

Great talk!

@DeoMachina 13 жыл бұрын

Amazing talk

@SecondSight 13 жыл бұрын

great talk!

@willowtreephoto 13 жыл бұрын

@Saerain 15:50 his transparency slide has The Pirate Bay listed and I think that's awesome.

@TehRasia 9 жыл бұрын

this was incredible

@Simon-vc7jv 7 жыл бұрын

Who remembers his talk from DEFON 19? similar to this and very good.

@GreatG0dOm 13 жыл бұрын

I know someone who did virus on Apple II and Atari before that time frame. They were just proving the concept with no harm, but probably one of the first to do a "virus".

@Tolstoievsky 12 жыл бұрын

love this guy, reminds me of weird AL in his good days

@Mackingzie 12 жыл бұрын

too short! far too short! Really wish I was there!

@Lobos222 12 жыл бұрын

A very good presentation and it was funny at parts as well. I was a little unsure what he meant about criminals, see MPAA for a stupid definition..., but I sense hes not on their side or he wouldnt have added the PirateBay icon on hes slide show of services. I agree with him. We need to make the internet secure for the public. Making it secure for governments and companies is only partially valid. Usually the later goals for "secure" go to far and reduces public access and freedoms.

@gulllars 13 жыл бұрын

@MrSprytee That would be both incredibly expensive and result in high latency. Pluss, new viruses and bug exploits may take some time to identify and not be visible (findable) in the code the first time you view (search) it when you don't know what you're looking for.

@imemyself2820 6 жыл бұрын

Jävla bra, Mikko!

@SoThisOneDude 13 жыл бұрын

WOO... once you finish watching one TEDtalk, you'll become addicted. So interesting!

@12101andyoutub 13 жыл бұрын

Very interesting presentation a good speaker tooo

@classicboyir 13 жыл бұрын

fantastic ....

@neodenatalie10 13 жыл бұрын

nice one!~

@maggru91 13 жыл бұрын

Amazing speech :)

@jerrywilliams7119 3 жыл бұрын

Mikko is awesome, I watched his another latest interview here: @

@LAnonHubbard 13 жыл бұрын

@Thimmet "I dont know why i need to explain this but it seems i do: you are using a web browser to connect to this site, right? Now isn't that a "static file"?" The content displayed in the browser doesn't necessarily have to come from a static file. It's data received over the h t t p protocol and rendered in the browser (perhaps via some additional client-side scripting but that's irrelevant). It could be generated on the fly remotely and never be stored locally. Comprendez?

@Dentorvess01 5 ай бұрын

Very nice video

@DavidDunn 13 жыл бұрын

@amilo962 It is encrypted when it gets transferred over the internet, but programs such as key loggers that are on your computer can read the data before it gets encrypted.

@huminahamina 6 жыл бұрын

Legendary speech.

@Rarae192 13 жыл бұрын

This guy is awesome

@Buoy2 13 жыл бұрын

We have to do this klobally!

@yoyuepz 12 жыл бұрын

@MokomaSusi Yes there are some, however it is more difficult to hide virus on Linux compared with a Windows system.

@Dixavd 13 жыл бұрын

@AndreisEntaro the problem is that even if that became the standard then the criminals would find a way to figure out what the next code would be - like an algebra question - working backwards to find the root cause of the change because all of them iwll have it (although they can get pretty complicated) and th eonyl way for it not to is to manually change it each time but that would be almost impossible. It would help for a while but not for long.

@teapot55 13 жыл бұрын

Holy Crap this was a good Talk

@mrwerevamp 13 жыл бұрын

wow only 306 views and already 247 likes. That means around 80% of the people who watch this liked it. That means 80% of the people who watched this video like it. I just started watching it and I cannot wait to finish!

@Dixavd 13 жыл бұрын

@AndreisEntaro I am not saying these things are futile(improving security creates a much bigger path of entry to stop people learning it and dwarfs the problem)but at some point it gets to a point where it costs too mcuh to do so, the point where it owuld be cheaper just to take the fall and continue as we are now rather than continuing to make more complex systems to stay ahead.I think the money would be better put into removing the root of the problem (their gain) than reactionary to slow them

@lemmiwatchvideos 13 жыл бұрын

nice video

@harizotoh7 13 жыл бұрын

03:50 Dosbox!

@LeonidasGGG 13 жыл бұрын

All around a great, GREAT talk. That's why I believe in Stand Alone Computers. And I know what they do to online-criminals... they hire them.

@Phelan666 13 жыл бұрын

This guy's like the Walker Texas Ranger of the internet.

@Dixavd 13 жыл бұрын

@AndreisEntaro I am not hiding the fact that I am not an expert in the field but I do understand the basic principles of how the two sides opperate, if you say they have these systems that are affordable and effective then that's fantastic but it does not deter the idea that these things are still only a way to postpone it and cover the issue rather than rebuilding in a way where it is impossible for them to do such a thing at all. Listening to experts i fine-but going into tunnle vision isn't

@trixter21992251 13 жыл бұрын

I saw a PirateBay logo in there :D

@Dixavd 13 жыл бұрын

@AndreisEntaro I get that, and that is my problem with the pure security angle. Why not make it so that there is no problem at alla nd that the security never needs to be upgraded because there is no point of breach. Why not limit the money to have to be taken from a specific location or fragment the internet in such a way that only those with "access" can get to it but it isn't linked to the main internet (many governments and places like NASA have things why not money)?

@Phelan666 13 жыл бұрын

@etzel33 Actually, the rewritability of the PC is what makes it so powerful and flexible.

@MarkArandjus 13 жыл бұрын

Haha, the pirate bay, what a boss :D

@SuikaIbuki 12 жыл бұрын

interesting indeed :)

@LAnonHubbard 13 жыл бұрын

@GabofFunk "He explains on Reddit..." Thanks for the update!

@Dixavd 13 жыл бұрын

@AndreisEntaro I respect the opinion you give and how logical and realistic it is but I think your focus on their being a purely right/wrong tangible answer and stayign within the biases that you know of "understanding" the problem stops you from seeing possible ways of fixing - I think that is the fundamental thing that keeps this as a problem int he world, as we try and fix it aorund what we are used to now we are stopping ourselves form seeing an answer which isn't so obvious.

@gyneve 13 жыл бұрын

A critical component to the new rise in cyber crime is layoffs that started occurring around the time of the market crash in both the networking and cyber security workforce. There are now a great deal of unemployed and disgruntled people with sophisticated skillsets out there, and it seems organized crime is the only sector that's hiring.

@Lekozza 13 жыл бұрын

The old viruses were fun, especially for Amiga.

@gulllars 13 жыл бұрын

I agree with other commenters that this is finally a great talk again after a period of good and mediocre talks.

@fatalick 5 жыл бұрын

Так и не понял, как номер в эксплойте оказался))

@igoronline 13 жыл бұрын

@terryfink you're right about there being far more viruses and malware targeting windows, but the fact of the matter is that linux is constantly being developed, tested and fixed by millions of programmers as we speak.whenever a new exploit is found it tends to be fixed in less than a month... M$ couldn't possibly keep up.

@Machariel00 13 жыл бұрын

@Hpatel199 Mind you that lot of the hacks and vulnerabilities these days are software specific so doesn't matter if you're using OSX or Windows.

@YouHolli 12 жыл бұрын

Wait, there are laptops with internal floppy drives???

@deathreaver3356 13 жыл бұрын

lol The Pirate Bay @ 15:45

@FatLingon 13 жыл бұрын

Internet is not called Internet because it is international. The historical(mid 70s) use of "Inter" in "Internet" is more to a "interconnected" effect. Internet is short for internetworking and was originally used to describe any network using the TCP protocol. Hence, there where literally several "internets" at the time. It was around the time when ARPANET was interlinked with NSFNET in the late 80s, that the term was used to describe the emerging global TCP/IP network.

@kataang321 13 жыл бұрын

@harizotoh7 13 жыл бұрын

So he only offered a little bit on solutions. Wouldn't one of them be to diversify the amount of Operating Systems out there and make sure that they are more inherently secure?

@HalfFullYeah 13 жыл бұрын

I like this guy...!!!

@YouHolli 12 жыл бұрын

The virus list is not live. It's local html document.

@notjim 13 жыл бұрын

mikko's a boss.

@KatiCrafts 13 жыл бұрын

@fuunguus Most Finnish people understand English very well, actually. And sure, they didn't teach English back in the very early 1900s, but I don't know how old these "old days" are that mentioned. My grandparents are over 80 years old and they've been studying many different languages, and can speak English rather well. So just clarifying: I wasn't really talking about knowing/understanding English, I was merely saying that the Finnish accent is usually horrible. :)

@aking1012 12 жыл бұрын

@aarongrooves - end the monetary system? no. there are a couple ways i can think of that are vastly more scalable than definitions.

@mosyemessy1988 13 жыл бұрын

BEST EVAR SPEECH.

@saerain 13 жыл бұрын

@88plof How's that?

@Dixavd 13 жыл бұрын

@AndreisEntaro I never said they were ineffective or at any time did I say how they were useless or down-play the vital role they hold. I am just saying focusing so much on patching a problem and then continuing to do so indefinitely is not a realistic goal or useful to society. I never said you were wrong, never did I attack you or say that there are no ways that this problem is being tackled effectively head on - I am just saying the goal they are aiming for is flawed.

@Zormac 13 жыл бұрын

1:12 - LET ME SHOW YA SOMETHING!!!

@eu2cy 13 жыл бұрын

Thumbs Up for Piratebay logo.

@CognosSquare 13 жыл бұрын

Yay Finland!

@GabofFunk 13 жыл бұрын

@LAnonHubbard He explains on Reddit "I had two links for all the sites I connected to: a real, live link and a local copy. On stage, the live link proved to be too slow. So I chickened out and used the local copies. Yeah, I know."

@blueanthill 12 жыл бұрын

this guy's glasses, amoung other things, remind me of ben franklin

@aarongrooves 11 жыл бұрын

I don't understand your comment, and I said nothing about trading natural goods. Do you know what a resource based economy is?

@ebscoHOSTpub 8 жыл бұрын

thats why i use apple pc. Cant get viruses and since i have retina display on my macbook, all my games are 60fps and I dont notice any fps drop if I even get lag because your eye can only see up 18fps IRL. So win-win

@omgdan23 8 жыл бұрын

lol that isnt true... apple isn't just fucking unhackable. its because apple consists of like 10% of computers used worldwide (dont quote me, i saw this number close to 7 years ago). it would make sense to create viruses where you have a larger amount of hosts

@BSC4PE 7 жыл бұрын

Why did you fall for such an obvious troll?

@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20 7 жыл бұрын

Wasn't one of the first viruses ever written exactly for Apple Macintosh.

@oO_ox_O 13 жыл бұрын

@TheHickstead Hopefully now when running with admin priviliges.

@conman2317 13 жыл бұрын

@LAnonHubbard obviously this was for "show" and demonstration.

@Frances3654 13 жыл бұрын

4:14 the audience is all stoned

@gadzometer 13 жыл бұрын

I'm a control system engineer (design and program PLCs.. and the rest).. about time people actually knew that we existed and what we do. Maybe they will start paying Control System Engineers as much as process and chemical engineers. We run your power, water, sewage, irrigation, manufacturing facilities, food production, pharmacutical factories, oil, gas, traffic light networks, elevators.. well.. I'm sure you get the picture.

@Meowbay 11 жыл бұрын

Why would that russian kid leave his license-plate number in this file? I don't see how this would prove anything on who created it. In fact, it's a setup rather, where he would get caught, without being behind it, so the real creator is still invisible.

@oO_ox_O 13 жыл бұрын

@zero00tolerance Since recording something is not creative work it's probably not really copyrighted.

@mattiasstein3083 10 жыл бұрын

So interesting. All my friends who are programmers with a masters degree in holland say that images cannot contain or download viruses bc. the host program needs to be able to execute code, which most image viewers cannot. ofcourse the internet says differently, and I was always curious who's right :) Thanks hakonnen or whatever your name is. Sounds like an F1 driver but Im not a F1 fan so dunno

@tonyhopkinson8169 9 жыл бұрын

Your friends are wrong. Exploits in the viewer e.g buffer overrun. Automation, e.g. image with a hotspot, you click and good bye. Social Attacks , see Britney naked. Ask your friends if they were taught how to write secure code, how much have they written in the real world. The best way to guarantee you will be hacked, is believing you can't be. Give your mates a whack round the ear, for using a crappy argument from authority instead of google,

@MyGuitarSings 13 жыл бұрын

Mikko Hypponen! Let me join your team of net defender!

@Dixavd 13 жыл бұрын

@AndreisEntaro I am not saying it is easy, but we are talking about poeple who's entire lives and put all of their time and money into findout these things.Eventually they will find the answer(even if it means manipulating people into making mistakes that allow them to take it).There is no system (at least right now) that is able to block it because we are talking about the kinds of people with algorythms of their own built in the course of figurin git out with thousands of tests sent to find it

@fuunguus 13 жыл бұрын

@cailinify Haha. I think many Finnish people don't even understand English. They didn't teach it in schools in the old days. I think that is a fact for most of Scandinavia really. I was watching a pirated movie once, and my mom walked in and seemed shocked that I understood English without the subtitles... O.o

@mladen190 12 жыл бұрын

he didn't mentioned Remote Administration Tools, they win!

@PedanticNo1 11 жыл бұрын

One cannot accomplish everything. However, it is no great trial to have a partitioned drive with multiple OS installations. Should we do NOTHING because we cannot do EVERYTHING? No. That would be absolutely silly. Yet, that is the argument you're using. For the record, I do raise chickens in my backyard. The eggs are delicious. But I can't have a farm in my urban backyard, so I am limited to chickens. I cannot have a safe Windows, so I am limited to Windows and a partition of Linux.