What's wrong with that? I like mine in any size I can get. It's like the difference between Fords and Chevy it mostly just gives people a reason to argue which is best!

And sometimes it comes in a quart jar. Merica.

F the metric system. It’s for people who voluntarily wore masks. Besides why would we want the commies to be able to use our stuff. I love that the world says we have to do the metric system and we pretty much only adopted it for bullets.

Half a gallon

By the bottle, it's easier.

Thanks for that

Great Post . Man thanks for the added info

MOA is defined by the USAMU as a unit of measurement which describes the distance in inches a sight adjustment will make at target distance. The concept is so simple to apply yet Soldiers and even trainers are prone to not understand and thus basic marksmanship instruction is conducted using the NSN 6920-01-395-1949 target which uses a printed grid to indicate sight adjustment need without need for MOA formula. Interestingly enough Soldiers seem to easily grasp MOA wind constant formula and apply it for excellent results from irons or ACOG.

Everyone has an opinion

@@charlesludwig9173 “MOA” is literally a mathematical proof. It literally means 1/60th of a degree…. Minute (1/60th) of Angle (degree). What you stated is how the Army tries to explain that concept to people who don’t understand math.

@@sethrich5998 yeah, I am a Military Rifle Instructor assisting the USAMU deliver SDM, TTT, and SAFS. The training guides and visual aids for these programs are proven to teach an understanding of MOA, as well as apply the knowledge to sight adjustment. In other words the instruction gets Soldiers an understanding of equations needed to properly adjust sight, hold or favor at target distance/conditions.BTW the instruction emphasizes mils in context to ranging and MOA in context to sight movement, holds, and favors, since the instruction is all about Marksmanship using an as issued M16-A4, or M4.

MRAD makes things very easy. I naturally think in imperial, but MRADS make it so easy. Say you rifle is zeroed at 100 metres.. So you want to hit your target eh? First thing, how far is it?? Say it is a rabbit and it stands 6" high. That is 150mm How many mildots does it cover in your scope?? Say 1. Well, 150 metres/1 mildot = 150. The rabbit is 150 metres away... Now, say for the sake of argument, that you know that at 150 metres your bullet drops 1 1/2" MORE than it does at your zeroed range of 100 metres. Well, that is more or less 40mm. So 40mm/150 metres = 0.277 MRAD, that is your hold over..

Lol, I didn’t know that

And your still driving your cars on the wrong side of the road.

@@markkulyas2418 ...and our beer is in pints (but 20 fl.oz ones btw) 😳

We now buy our fuel in liters, but if you want to know how efficiently your car is burning that fuel it will be in MPG [ miles per gallon ] ... it's a crazy world.

@@bbutc Its a sneaky way to sell it . Makes it look cheaper .

What was the context of training to understand mils?

My learning of mils was more navigational and targeting from vehicles during overwatch. MOA was still the standard teaching with small arms because it's a smaller adjustment. Mils was something I had a chart for haha. One of those little spinners cheat charts even. I was taught eyeball ranging and powered mag ranging with MOA. Being on the Abrams, our GAS ranging gauge was set up to range a Soviet tank quickly. You could apply it to anything if you knew a standard height of said object or a part of that object. I've messed with mils post military service, but I personally find MOA easier to be able to apply it to different platforms and calibers.

@@charlesludwig9173 generally the same sort you would go through for MOA if you had zero training and understanding prior. It's a little friendlier if you know metric measurements of objects, but you can still apply it to the inch standard if you know the conversations and how to add that into the equation.

You rock Buddy

Thanks Dan

Screw Jersey. U can't do anything without the cops being called on you. So much better once I left. I'm in Florida and I now can open my back door and sit on the deck n shoot. No one cares cause they do it also. Same with riding ATVs around. What's the issue. I jus don't get people at times. I'm sure u get what I'm saying

Wow, thanks for that !

You are more than welcome

Thank you

Thanks Ken

Thanks for watching!

Thank You

Wow , thanks for that

Thanks

You're very welcome!

Thank you

Thanks Man

Thanks 👍

off by 27" because of the .047" how the hell was he coming up with that quite specific number? I've been racking my brain for the several minutes now trying to figure out how he was arriving at that number. I mean, no matter how I try to incorrectly work the numbers, I cant come up with anything even close to the resulting 27" Also, if you know MOA, switching to MIL is actually pretty easy since 1MOA is basically 0.3MIL (well its really 0.29 but since MIL scopes are in 0.1MIL increments, its easy just to round up to .3 and the rounding error really doesn't become even remotely problematic until you are having to make 5+ MOA adjustments and even then, its not really much of an error). Basically, if you say know that you need to come up 2.5MOA, then just multiply that by 3 and move the decimal one place to the left and you have the MIL amount move (e.g., 2.5 * 3 = 7.5 so it would be 0.75 MIL but since you can only dial in 0.1 increments, you can go either 0.7 or 0.8 and be on pretty much spot on). As you can see, the error is small because if you use the more accurate 0.29 value, the result is 2.5 * 2.9 = 7.25 and them shift the decimal back one place and the value is 0.725MIL so. To give you another example, lets say that you need to come up 10" at 800yrs, you know that 1.25 MOA, so since its .3 to one, easy math is 1.25 * 3 = 3.75, shift the decimal back and you have 0.375 MIL so dial 0.4 and the difference is about 1.5" high error due do rounding and the fact that you can only dial in 0.1MIL increments. If you only dialed say 0.3 (i.e., round down), then you'll about 1.5" low. Which isn't really bad unless you are handloading and have developed a load that shoots with single digit ES's since a 10 FPS speed difference at 800yrds is easily worth 1.5" even with a relatively high B.C. projectile. What I always say though to anyone if they ask what kind of scope to get is get which ever you want but my advise is to get something that has a matching scaled reticle and preferably that is FFP... That way you don't have to worry about any of that because your reticle will tell you everything you need to know (assuming that you are not off outside of the FOV of your at the time.. In which case, if you are then you're SOL either way and you did something seriously wrong and possibly shouldn't be shooting a rifle anyways).

@@CJ-ty8sv That .047 is less than a half inch of bullet displacement at 1000 yards so let’s say the bullet strike is 40 inches off point of aim, then, .47 times 4 equals less than 2 inches of bullet displacement which might be worth backing off a quarter minute click but probably not since there’s no shooter on the planet that could hold a quarter minute at 1000 yards. At any rate, notions about what’s important to hitting targets at long range vary but I’ll put all my money on what the USAMU long range shooters have to say about it, not KZfaq gurus.

@@charlesludwig9173 Not sure you what part of my comment you are replying to because nowhere did I say or imply that that .047 was really a big deal. Can you please point me (quote me) the portion where you got the impression that I was saying or implying that it was a big deal? as for no one on the planet hold a 1/4 minute, that depends on the definition of "holding 1/4 minute". There are probably many people that can "hold" 1/4 minute but no on who can accurately determine all the variables necessary to achieve groups of 1/4 MOA at that distance but they are getting close since the current world record 1k yard 10 shot group is at 2.6566" (or .253 MOA

@@CJ-ty8sv I am implying that your impression is also mine, .047 is as moot as it is meaningless in context to it being important to hitting where aimed at long-range. My example proves it for any who have a notion that the fraction has any meaning. Creds: CMP-USAMU cert. Military Rifle Instructor assisting USAMU deliver SDM, TTT, and SAFS training, US Distinguished Rifleman. and NRA High Master Long-Range Competitor. BTW I can hold under a half minute from irons at 100 yards but at 1000 yards from irons in prone sling supported position I can barely hold 2 MOA in prevailing wind shooting my match conditioned .223 AR in Service Rifle Dividion. Hold is the correct term since error is mostly about me not being able to see the target well enough to get an exactingly consistent sight picture from picture memory.

@@charlesludwig9173 Ah ok gotcha. Sorry then for my misunderstanding of your comment. Yeah, that whole .047" error thing always boggles my why some people think that it's a big deal or a concern. Its almost like some have this notion of people shooting bughole groups at distance or are trying to shoot a dime (or any coin for that matter) at a thousand or something. I mean, yeah sure if we were shooting actual lasers where the only think of concern is refraction but yeah, that's not the case here.

You bet!

The imperial system existed before the metric system if you do a deep dive on history. Just for your humor.

Thank You for that

Thank You

Thanks man , Americans are just hard headed is all lol

But some tools, tv screen size, pipes, car rims size and so on are still in inches here in Germany.

@@MlTGLIED Stimmt, dass sind noch Dingen wohmit ich Leben kann aber de rest :-(((

Thank you

Thank you 👍

Thank You

Makes sense, However, the metric system uses 10 base as default. How far away is 1000 inches? I know how far 1000 meters is. It's just one km, or as the military states, one click. :-)

Oh I most definitely agree with you. I have been a fan of the metric system since my youth. It is so much easier. After all you have 10 fingers and toes right? I'm only stating that people think that a milliradian it's a metric unit of measurement and it is not. It is an angular measurement. 1/1000 section of a circle is 1mil. I calculate everything and shoot in meters. I live by fort Hood and our two ranges in the area are measured in meters. I feel lucky 😁

​​​​​@@Jeff_SeelyGood on you for being open to the metric system and for recognising how so much SIMPLER it is! I moved here to Aus after growing up in the US, and have always found it better than Imperial by a large margin. How/why carpenters, for instance, can be bothered using Imp when splitting fractional inches into equal parts is beyond me, when mm provide such an easy alternative. But you've erred in saying that a mil is 1/1000 section of a circle. It's 1/1000 of a radian, hence the name milliradian. And a radian is the section of a circle that is equal to the circle's radius, which explains why a mil is 1/1000 of the range to target.

You’re more than welcome

Thanks! 👍

Thank You

Thanks

@@CyclopsJoeVideos I was trying to deside between the delta javelin and the meopta optika6 5-30 56mm Pretty sure I'm going to get the delta after your review

Thanks for that

Thank you so much 😀

Thanks Richard

Yeah , I honestly don't have a preference. The reticle makes more difference to me . I don't like the Super cluttered reticles like the Horus