Why Texas Has SO MANY Frontage Roads | Are They a Good Thing?

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Mileage Mike

Mileage Mike

Күн бұрын

Video covering the topic of the many miles of Frontage Roads that can be found around the State of Texas.
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Texas DOT 2002 Frontage Road Policy
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Introduction: 0:00
What Are Frontage Roads: 1:14
Advantages: 2:24
Disadvantages: 6:07
Why Texas Builds Them: 9:34
Conclusion: 11:47

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@oofoof12814
@oofoof12814 Жыл бұрын
As a Texan, I call these “feeder roads.” They are extremely useful, and I can’t imagine not having them around.
@AllAmericanGuyExpert
@AllAmericanGuyExpert Жыл бұрын
I've read that that is the most common name in Houston. There was an old study of regional naming ... it was a quiz, I think, and at the end it would make a heat map of your origin. Sometimes it was funnily accurate! (One of the interesting questions was what you called this road, multiple choice. Several things pinpointed your location within Texas!)
@JonasMatthewBahta
@JonasMatthewBahta Жыл бұрын
Living in another state will be a rude awakening for you probably…..lol
@pamgodsoe9076
@pamgodsoe9076 Жыл бұрын
We had feeders in Canada. I have travelled frontage roads in Houston and Austin, the Texas turn arounds confused me a bit. But now I really like avoiding traffic lights
@jamiecinder9412
@jamiecinder9412 Жыл бұрын
It's nice having all of the services right next to the highway and having an easy way to turn around if you miss an exit. It's pretty difficult to get lost in this state, imo.
@glyakk
@glyakk Жыл бұрын
@@AllAmericanGuyExpert Native Houstonian here, I can confirm that 'feeder' is probably more popular of a term here. I have always called them feeder roads. Frontage road sounds formal to me and access/service road both sound to me like the on/off ramp itself and not the frontage road.
@Locke99GS
@Locke99GS Жыл бұрын
I moved from the Chicagoland area to Houston a little over a decade ago. The roads did confuse me at first, but after driving on them for a few weeks, something simply clicked one day and everything immediately made _perfect_ sense. I absolutely love the way Texas does its highways.
@lolbuster01
@lolbuster01 Жыл бұрын
The highway planning is pretty good here. Outside of the cities, almost all exits are on the right and there's a uturn lane for specifically reversing direction under most bridges just after an exit even in cities. It's pretty nice.
@jamiecinder9412
@jamiecinder9412 Жыл бұрын
It's pretty difficult to get lost in Texas, since you can easily turn around if you miss an exit. Plus, while out traveling, services are usually placed on the frontage roads, so you'll never have to venture too far from the highway to get gas or snacks.
@jeffrey.a.hanson
@jeffrey.a.hanson Жыл бұрын
Same. I’m up in The Woodlands having moved from Greater NYC area, and at first I was bit uneasy….then like you, it clicked. I realized if I make a mistake or miss an on ramp or exit…no worries. Began to understand when to get in that right lane, and to be patent getting on the Frontage Rds. It’s an incredible sight to see around Beltway 8 and 610…but it’s brilliantly designed.
@OzzyTheGiant
@OzzyTheGiant Жыл бұрын
@@lolbuster01 Meanwhile, construction of these highways is happening in EVERY major city right now and it's been taking forever to get anything done, causing so much traffic.
@Locke99GS
@Locke99GS Жыл бұрын
@@OzzyTheGiant Well, that's to be expected when there is major road work being done. It is worth it when it is done, however. I live In the Cypress area of Houston and the 290 expansion started a couple years after I moved down here. The traffic was hellish already on 290 at the time, which I suspect is why they opted to expand 290 in the first place. This construction of course made traffic even worse - nightmarish. It probably took 3 or so years, but once it was finished the result was so worth it for somebody like myself that is served directly by this highway.
@flyinhawaiian57
@flyinhawaiian57 Жыл бұрын
I've lived in Texas my whole life and didn't know that most states didn't have feeders. I'm glad you gave the warning about staying away from the left and HOV lanes, most Texans use the speed limit as more of a guide. If you aren't doing 10-15 mph more, you will be run over.
@buffcode
@buffcode Жыл бұрын
Texas is the one state where reckless driving is solely at the discretion of the officer regardless of speed- and drivers absolutely abuse the hell out of it. Because it has to be, to quote 545.351: "more speed than is reasonable and prudent under the circumstances then existing." TX drivers out there making TN and FL drivers look like grandmas. I'm brave, I've driven all 3!
@wifelikecow
@wifelikecow Жыл бұрын
@@buffcode I've lived in knoxville TN for a combined total of 6 years with 3 of them being with my license. Also, was born in Corpus Christi. Can confirm: Texas drivers make Tennessee crackheads look sober.
@buffcode
@buffcode Жыл бұрын
@@wifelikecow It's all fun and games til some Knoxville crackhead drops their needle and swerves all 3 lanes trying to pick it up and snashes the median barrier! I'm not even making that up, it happened right in front of me! You stay safe out there!
@wifelikecow
@wifelikecow Жыл бұрын
@@buffcode was this going east past weisgarber rd on 40?
@chefssaltybawlz
@chefssaltybawlz Жыл бұрын
@@buffcode Absolutely not. I never understood this point about how fast we go. Try going from Houston to Dallas at 90 and tell me you don’t get at least one or two tickets. Speed limit is 75 when it’s rural. 80 is okay. Anything more, don’t cry about tickets. Texas state troopers DO NOT PLAY
@ralphlozano9177
@ralphlozano9177 Жыл бұрын
I also came from Illinois to Texas and discovered frontage roads in all thier glory. What I think are really cool and smart are the turnarounds built underneath the highways. Texans are fiercely proud of their state and right they should be!
@chefssaltybawlz
@chefssaltybawlz Жыл бұрын
Salute my guy. My dad grew up in the Chi and I heard stories growing up. Never understood why he loved it here so much but now at 31, he makes sense to me lol.
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK Жыл бұрын
Having been born and raised in Texas, I can tell you that the lack of frontage roads outside of this state can cause confusion for us, too. With the ubiquity of frontage roads, it's easy to fall into the trap that missing an exit isn't a big deal, since you can just do a U-turn at the next one. It was quite a shock to me the first time I went out of state, and ended up going 10 miles out of my way because I missed an exit.
@Furthea2
@Furthea2 Жыл бұрын
Tell me about it. When I moved to WA it took years for the sense of "wrongness" when driving near highways to go away just due to the lack of frontage roads, and still i'm annoyed by that lack.
@marcuslieberman3577
@marcuslieberman3577 10 ай бұрын
Frontage/Service roads makes sense especially for the business that run parallel. I've seen exits in NJ,CA,NY that ends practically into someone's living room(?) I know I have found following the GPS is not always correct... 😀
@spamlessaccount
@spamlessaccount 10 ай бұрын
Try making that mistake on the PA Turnpike - 20, even 30 miles between exits in some places.
@JPS47
@JPS47 Жыл бұрын
Being from the Rio Grande Valley in south Texas, I can't imagine most highways without frontage roads. I thought that was a normal thing. I only left the state twice in my lifetime.
@LoneWolf1493
@LoneWolf1493 Жыл бұрын
I’m on the other end of that spectrum: I grew up in western NC and we have roads like this that run parallel to the interstate to provide access to local businesses and homes; however, ours are two-way and it wasn’t until my family and I went to College Station for my little sister’s soccer tournament in 2016 that my siblings and I had seen one-way frontage roads like this (which I think is genius for all the reasons given in this video and may or may not have influenced some of my builds in Cities: Skylines). I’ve seen and read about other states implementing/proposing one-way frontage roads like this, but it’s mostly just been to prevent weaving between two interchanges that are very close together and NCDOT’s proposed I-26 Connector project in the Asheville area is a good example of this. Personally though, I think these should be built wherever possible due to their practicality
@Mitsunori_Hokuto
@Mitsunori_Hokuto Жыл бұрын
That is very understandable, for example every tram of interstate highways (69C and interstate 2) in McAllen has frontage roads, and these are not that much chaotic, because they are not two way roads, they are one way roads, depending on which side you are, unlike some other parts of Texas that have two way roads on each side which is confusing so you could say Rio Grande frontage roads or atleast in McAllen ar pretty practical. but i feel that, atleast the only ones that I know that are from Rio Grande Valley area, they take too much space, good thing they don't make congestion because exits have auxiliary lanes
@leechjim8023
@leechjim8023 Жыл бұрын
I don't need no lame navapps. I upload data from paper maps into my Mark 1 guidence system: my head!!!🤪
@leechjim8023
@leechjim8023 Жыл бұрын
Texas' system of frontage roads allows for very flexible ingress and egress with the freeway.
@Mitsunori_Hokuto
@Mitsunori_Hokuto Жыл бұрын
@@LoneWolf1493 I also think one way frontage roads are way superior and better than two way frontage roads, because the intersection does not only generate unnecessary congestion but it is also dangereous
@ZachAJ77
@ZachAJ77 Жыл бұрын
Better for drivers, worse for land use and pedestrians
@HbCAMM_CT
@HbCAMM_CT Жыл бұрын
Texas in nutshell
@lazygongfarmer2044
@lazygongfarmer2044 Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily worse for pedestrians. Sidewalks along frontage roads allow pedestrians to walk to businesses along freeways. In a sense, they're kind of worse for drivers, since you *have to* change lanes to get on or off the freeway
@noahgarcia7599
@noahgarcia7599 Жыл бұрын
@@lazygongfarmer2044 have you ever tried to walk along a frontage road? Let alone cross a freeway as a pedestrian?
@seanbohannon
@seanbohannon Жыл бұрын
@@noahgarcia7599 A: you don't cross the freeway, you cross at the cross street same as any busy road. B:Most frontage roads are perfectly walkable, more walkable than your typical stroad.
@ralphmtsu
@ralphmtsu Жыл бұрын
Well, the US is defined by car culture.
@josh1422
@josh1422 Жыл бұрын
Growing up in Texas I always thought this was how the whole country did it and still can’t believe most don’t. It’s so much better.
@austingee238
@austingee238 6 ай бұрын
There’s ups and downs to the system, coming from a MO transplant. They are fantastic in midsized cities and suburban areas. In rural areas, they’re often two-way like the outer roads in every other state, except Texas decided to put the exit and entrance ramps right off of these to make them a “frontage road” still. And to a transplant at least, it’s unnecessarily complicated. In larger cities, they’re problematic due to backups at intersections, but that’s likely because the queue distance isn’t long enough since the cities have grown since the roadway was built. That said, I’m in Lubbock. The system works great here except for about an hour in the evening. The U-Turn system should be standard on every highway. Saint Louis has attempted to do something like this in some places, but none of the people involved have obviously not ever been to Texas because their implementation sucks worse than what they had before - “backage roads”.
@user-qt4qp6bj1q
@user-qt4qp6bj1q 6 ай бұрын
A Con I haven't heard yet. Half of the addresses are on the side of the highway you're not on, meaning: those businesses get reduced traffic and shoppers.
@josh1422
@josh1422 6 ай бұрын
@@user-qt4qp6bj1q that’s what Google maps is for
@williethomas9953
@williethomas9953 5 күн бұрын
We've always had them in MI. We have them on the Interstate in the Urban areas. Particularly around Detroit and Flint. It is why you have exits at just about every mile.
@petertrudelljr
@petertrudelljr Жыл бұрын
Growing up in Texas and travelling to other states... it SHOCKS me how exits just end in stoplights!
@JonBrase
@JonBrase 7 ай бұрын
I grew up in Colorado, learned to drive in Texas, and live along the I-20 corridor through DFW, so I'm really used to both. A lot of communities along 20 didn't want the interstate when it was put in, and they couldn't block the interstate itself, but they *could* passive-aggressively block the frontage road, so the I-20 frontage road is inconsistent in my area: there are a lot of traditional-style exits straight to cross streets, and a lot of weird things done to frontage roads.
@jamiecinder9412
@jamiecinder9412 Жыл бұрын
You can tell which part of Texas you're from depending on what you call these roads. Here in San Antonio, we call them access roads. Last year when my husband and I were visiting a friend in Houston, we got caught up in traffic on I-45, and our friend told us to exit onto the "service road" to dodge the traffic. And my husband had absolutely no idea what he was talking about until I explained it to him!
@Zach27727
@Zach27727 Жыл бұрын
Yep. I’m in Austin and it’s called “frontage roads”
@jamiecinder9412
@jamiecinder9412 Жыл бұрын
@@Zach27727 "Frontage Roads" seems to be TxDOT's preferred term. The road signs here will usually call them that regardless of which region of Texas you're in.
@cmpedicini
@cmpedicini Жыл бұрын
DFW area: service road
@CreightonRabs
@CreightonRabs Жыл бұрын
We call them "service roads" up here in North Texas (Dallas/Fort Worth). Once you get into Waco, they seem to use the term "frontage road" more than "service roads" but I guess it's a regional preference.
@ClementinesmWTF
@ClementinesmWTF Жыл бұрын
Houston calls them feeder, Dallas uses “service”. Frontage roads are the general term used everywhere else (including the rest of Texas)
@kevincampbell4356
@kevincampbell4356 Жыл бұрын
As someone who was raised in DFW, I was absolutely shocked to learn other states don't have access roads, I intend to live in Charlotte NC and the lack of frontage roads showed tons of traffic issues.
@simplegreen6596
@simplegreen6596 Жыл бұрын
Very well worded video. As a transplant to Texas a decade ago. Frontage roads confused me all the time. Having gotten used to them and navigating all the different types as you state (u turns, one ways, two ways etc)now, i wouldn't have it any other way. The other thing you didn't mention is how to Texas tell the DOT where a new exit is needed. We call it the "Texas Off Ramp". Basically you just go off roading through the grass divider onto the frontage road. :)
@theoriginaledi
@theoriginaledi Жыл бұрын
Ha! It's true, and it's a form of petition that can actually work if a particular location becomes enough of a nuisance for them. 🙂
@cowfat8547
@cowfat8547 Жыл бұрын
this is why i love texas. i was so shocked to find out that other states don't use the texas turnaround
@JonasMatthewBahta
@JonasMatthewBahta Жыл бұрын
Despite being born and raised there, it took me a while once I moved to other states to realize that those frontage roads or easy U-turns on Texas freeways are just specific to Texas
@YerbaCarrera
@YerbaCarrera Жыл бұрын
Lived in Mississippi for a few years before moving to Texas. Got my first taste of Frontage roads when i took trips to Arkansas. I was skeptical for a while even after moving to Texas, but the turn around makes them 10000% worth it. No state does highways as good as Texas.
@JonasMatthewBahta
@JonasMatthewBahta Жыл бұрын
@@andrewsloan3754 , Jug handles, I spent some time in NJ a couple years back, they have them on US Route Highways like US-1 for example. To go left on a lot of those roads you have to stay to the right lane if you want to enter a road that you would’ve otherwise entered with a left turn in left lane in other states.
@NutellaDotNet
@NutellaDotNet Жыл бұрын
As a Michigander I’ve heard of Texas turnarounds but I was shocked that other states didn’t have Michigan lefts lol.
@cratecruncher6687
@cratecruncher6687 Жыл бұрын
I've lived in Texas most of my life but also California. I think frontage roads are a net positive in cities because access to retail is so convenient and the commercial strip on each side of the freeway functions as a sound barrier for residential. In California the freeways feel like tunnels because of high sound walls close to the roadway. Despite this there are adjacent "freeway houses" which have so much noise pollution they are nearly uninhabitable (90 Db in the backyard). Caltrans hides all the ramps pretty good too!
@JoeyLovesTrains
@JoeyLovesTrains 5 ай бұрын
I find it opposite, because it’s terrifying to pull out in traffic going 50-60 mph. And if you miss your store, you have to drive alllll the way around, and if you wanna cross the street, you’re screwed
@conrad1478
@conrad1478 Жыл бұрын
One thing is that for many newly built highways, especially tollways, the frontage roads are actually built first, oftentimes years before, and the main high speed lanes are built oftentimes purely based on traffic demand. You’ll see just frontage roads in some places with an immensely wide median between them that is really where the future main lanes will be built, which isn’t even guaranteed
@jordanriesenberg6481
@jordanriesenberg6481 Жыл бұрын
I think one major disadvantage that was missed was how these can affect the walkability of urban areas, as they make crossing freeways on foot (already not super fun) even more difficult and uncomfortable for anyone not in a car. NotJustBikes has done some neat videos about Texas (and American) roadway design. It really leads a lot of Texas cities to feel even more unwalkable than they already are, aside from perhaps Downtown Austin/Domain and areas near the Riverwalk in San Antonio.
@penguinsfan251
@penguinsfan251 Жыл бұрын
I hope NotJustBikes enjoys the diet of bugs Klaus Schwab and the WEF are shoving down the EU's throat.
@seanbohannon
@seanbohannon Жыл бұрын
This is a strawman argument. Only a lunatic would cross an actual freeway on foot, one should be crossing at the grade seperated cross streets. These service roads allow a multitude of cross streets without interfering with the freeway.
@mjlefeve
@mjlefeve Жыл бұрын
Bro, you ain’t walking in south Texas when it’s 103 degrees for 4 months out of the year. Quit with the walkable cities meme
@th5841
@th5841 Жыл бұрын
@@seanbohannon How far between are these cross streets, from a walkable perspective? And how safe are they for walking across? Just by lookin on this video, the traffic was going sub highway speeds on these frontage roads.
@annabelholland
@annabelholland Жыл бұрын
​@@seanbohannon only problem is, it would be a problem for people to climb the stairs and wheelchair users to climb up and down ramps. The minimum gradient is 1:14 but 1:20 or more is ideal. If you need to climb 17 feet, that is 250 feet of distance . But since you are going down, that is another 250 feet. 500 feet of extra distance. It would be like going up a 3 story building and down again. In the UK, this will only be necasary to cross a large fast busy road or motorway.
@theoriginaledi
@theoriginaledi Жыл бұрын
I've lived my whole adult life in Texas but I've traveled all over the country. I'm pretty neutral on most aspects of this question, but I do often find myself getting very frustrated when I'm in an area that doesn't have fairly frequent exits/turnarounds, plus easy access to nearby businesses. We're heavily conditioned to have high expectations about those things.
@FarmRanchHomestead
@FarmRanchHomestead Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your commentary on the Texas frontage roads. I learned to drive in SoCal, and spent much of my adult life there. I often wondered why frontage roads were so rare, and why they didn't work well where they did exist. Most of the frontage roads in SoCal (where they exist) are two-way roads, and are generally not accessible from the main roadway, except at the diamond interchanges. About 10 years ago, I spent some time in Houston, and stayed at a place right near the 610 Loop. With the one-way frontage roads, it was very easy to get in and out of the hotel, and onto the highway (if I chose), or just down the road a bit, if desired. It took me almost no time at all to learn to navigate and to appreciate the advantages of the frontage roads in Houston. Having spent quite a bit more time driving in Texas since that time, I've learned to appreciate the frontage roads along the highways of the state. Those "Texas Turnarounds" are great, unless you're behind a semi that is trying to follow Google's prompts, by turning where it won't fit... Of the many traffic "solutions" I've seen along our nation's highways, the Texas frontage roads are, in my opinion, one of the best solutions in use today. I've seen crossover lanes on some highway interchanges, and they do make sense to a degree, but are complicated and confusing for drivers that aren't familiar with them. Roundabouts work well in theory, but, from what I've seen, are almost always built too small, so traffic in the circle becomes too congested. I applaud Texas for building its highways with frontage roads the way they do. From my experience they work reasonably well for keeping the highway traffic moving while providing relatively easy access to nearby businesses and neighborhoods.
@null0byte
@null0byte Ай бұрын
Also having grown up in SoCal, I have a slightly different take. Frontage roads are both a blessing and a curse. Blessing in the areas where they are consistent: one direction only with those glorious Texas U-turns. Horrifying curse where they are not: bi-direction with the freeway on and off ramps requiring crossing *over the opposing direction of traffic that only has a YIELD sign on the frontage road* with almost never a suicide lane in the middle to prepare your turn in and a 50/50 chance there’s a stop sign shortly after exiting. Add the sometimes wonky freeway signage (would be lovely if they could figure out that “exit only” on the same lane approaching the first exit for two consecutive exits should mean the lane continues on to end at the second exit rather than the lane to the left of you that suddenly becomes the 2nd exit’s exit only lane right as the first exit is peeling off) and it can get somewhat frustrating at times. SoCal freeways have their own issues, but at least they are much more consistent in this regard. (Dallas/Ft Worth, PLEASE get some consistency) As to why SoCal doesn’t have them for the most part: space. Texas has it in spades while SoCal does not. In the rare spot where there was some space, you’ll see an attempt at frontage roads, but they’re so uncommon they’re treated more like normal surface streets rather than freeway companions. I’m not sure where you’ve seen frontage roads only accessible from diamond interchanges, but I concede that likely does exist somewhere. With the blessing of space, I do like how Texas builds its freeways: plunk down your right of way, then build the frontage roads. The frontage roads can start serving traffic while you take your time to build the freeway in the middle. The 114, 170, and the northern terminus of the 360 were like that here in DFW and I thought that made so much sense (again, when you have the space to be able to do that).
@ShawnD1027
@ShawnD1027 Жыл бұрын
I think your points about the advantages and disadvantages are well-reasoned and -explained, with the exception of "unusable parcels." They're not unusable, they just require different routing to access them and their "front" will be facing away from the highway. In the case of GA-400 mentioned at 3:05, I live in Alpharetta and know that what you have highlighted in yellow as "unusable parcels" are required buffers, which reduce visual clutter and noise noticeably. Contrast this to Dallas, TX where my son lives. We met a friend in the parking lot in the 9300 block of the North Central Expressway (where Total Wine and Cavender's are) and we had to raise our voices significantly so we could hear each other because of the traffic on the expressway and frontage road, neither of which had any sound-absorbing features between them and the parking lot.
@spamlessaccount
@spamlessaccount 10 ай бұрын
That's partly intentional - it helps to buffer the more residential areas from that noise.
@ShawnD1027
@ShawnD1027 10 ай бұрын
@@spamlessaccount, did you miss this part of what I wrote: "buffers, which reduce visual clutter and noise noticeably"?
@JadestonePony
@JadestonePony 7 ай бұрын
@@ShawnD1027 I think the point they were trying to get at was that the commercial businesses themselves are the buffer for more residential areas. Of course, as you pointed out, this means that these businesses don't get to have their own sound buffer. How bad the sound is definitely depends on which highway(s) they're next to though.
@emmersonmannin1457
@emmersonmannin1457 Жыл бұрын
Another disadvantage of frontage roads is that they are a disaster for pedestrians trying to walk under an interstate bridge. You have so many more points of conflict with drivers. And none of the drivers are looking out for pedestrians or even yielding when they should. You have to cross two extra roads in addition to going under the interstate.
@marius2k8
@marius2k8 Жыл бұрын
But you can't walk ANYWHERE in Texas on account of distances and heat. It's just expected you'll drive everywhere.
@LWoodGaming
@LWoodGaming Жыл бұрын
@@marius2k8 that because highway made everything so spread apart
@marius2k8
@marius2k8 Жыл бұрын
@@LWoodGaming People were already spread apart, because this was agricultural land. It wasn't until like a century ago that most people lived in cities. And the availability of cheap land naturally encouraged more impressive roadworks than elsewhere. And again, for like 9/12 of the year, you just don't want to go outside. It's miserable, bordering on swamp or desert. For those of us who prefer more humane climates, and really only go outside when they vacation in the mountains of Colorado, the proliferation of highways in Texas is pretty self-explanatory as well.
@johnhaller5851
@johnhaller5851 Жыл бұрын
@@marius2k8I dropped my car off for service at the intersection of the SRT and DNT, and there were restaurants caddy-corner across that intersection. It was a 10 minute walk each way, but thanks to two 6-lane highways and multiple flying ramps, at least I wasn’t in the sun long.
@alexhutchinson4138
@alexhutchinson4138 Жыл бұрын
People weren’t already spread apart-cities like Dallas and Houston were very dense a century ago, and only got hollowed out by highways since WW2. Of course the agricultural areas aren’t dense, but that’s not what anybody is talking about.
@mike1590
@mike1590 Жыл бұрын
One of the other problems with using Google Maps to navigate to a specific business on the frontage road is that often times the directions will instruct you to exit the freeway about 200 feet before the business driveway. This makes it virtually impossible to switch 3-4 lanes in time. One example of this is accessing Micro Center from SB 75 in Dallas or the Costco in Plano in the NB direction. To avoid this, i'd recomend taking the frontage road a mile or so before your directions tell you to hop off the mainline. I also love the idea of right-in-right-out for high volume commercial. While it can be a bit confusing at first, I never find myself stuck at shopping centers in Texas like I did everywhere else i've lived. Great content! Welcome, from McKinney!
@carolinavator
@carolinavator Жыл бұрын
The ridiculous lane crossings to exit to frontage roads is a huge issue! In my opinion it is the single greatest disadvantage of this road design as a driver. It is not just shopping centers and businesses that I have trouble cutting over to in time. Sometimes the exit designs still make you cross 3-4 lanes in very little space even just to reach the particular intersecting road that the signs on the interstate signal you to "exit here" for! Very dangerous quick-merges these frontage road designs create!!! (or at least when they are poorly designed)
@spamlessaccount
@spamlessaccount 10 ай бұрын
@@carolinavatorThat's why the access roads used to always be required to yield to the ramp. They're getting away from that, but they're also moving the exits further back from the roads they're intended for.
@MADHIKER777
@MADHIKER777 Жыл бұрын
Frontage roads are a brilliant idea making transportation much more efficient while still maintaining access.
@stephenriggs8177
@stephenriggs8177 Жыл бұрын
Grew up in Texas and then moved to the West Coast, in my 30s. Married a Washington woman and we ended up moving to Texas for a job I got. She'd never seen a frontage system like that, and she loved it! I was used to them, so I kind of shrugged.
@jameswolfe8853
@jameswolfe8853 Жыл бұрын
When I first relocated to Texas from California the frontage roads confused me. But after stepping back and thinking about it for a little bit I realize what good idea they were. In California you had to know every road that had an access to the freeway. Otherwise you would find out you were on the wrong road as you passed over the freeway. With an Access Road you just need to get on the access road and sooner rather than later would be able to get on the freeway.
@jstnrgrs
@jstnrgrs Жыл бұрын
On major disadvantage is that frontage roads encourage development along freeways which bring in local traffic to mix with through traffic. Causing congestion.
@mrhcnetman
@mrhcnetman Жыл бұрын
I am from McAlester Oklahoma and I love the frontage roads. In fact in McAlester a section of Hwy 69 has been rebuilt like the Texas frontage roads and it was the best thing that could have been done. The traffic is safer thinks to the change,
@jamespyle777
@jamespyle777 Жыл бұрын
Spent over 7 months in Houston and have always been living in the Ozarks. They are called feeder roads. Roads like these are really needed because traffic is far too bottlenecked around traffic signals when there are roads running parallel to the highway with various businesses.
@Geoff9001
@Geoff9001 Жыл бұрын
Only other person I see that mentioned feeder roads. Wew
@mrusinkiify
@mrusinkiify Жыл бұрын
In Texas they are called feeder roads. I grew up in Houston, and "frontage road" was only something I saw on road signs. People call them feeder roads.
@Alexc-rf7in
@Alexc-rf7in Жыл бұрын
Yup, I'm in Houston and I've always called them feeder roads.
@RNG_Anarchist
@RNG_Anarchist Жыл бұрын
They change based on what part of Texas you're in we call the service roads here
@Nippy2x1
@Nippy2x1 Жыл бұрын
The name changes depending on the area. Tell someone from here in San Antonio to get on the feeder road and they probably won't know what you're talking about. Tell that same person to get on the access road and they'll get it.
@sped6954
@sped6954 Жыл бұрын
I lived in the Fort Worth half of the Metroplex and learned how to drive in that area. I was about 25 when I moved out of state, and after 29 years, I still miss the hell out of those frontage roads. One thing that really made sense about them was how the exit and entrance ramps were all in the same place. We have very little of that in CT. Several highways around here might have an off ramp, but then when you need to get back on, you don't always have a choice about which direction. You could be traveling East on a highway, exit at a given place, then you can't turn around and go West for a return trip home. Or you can't get back on in the same direction. Others may have an off ramp for only one side of the highway, but not for the traffic on the other side of the highway. And this is in suburban and rural areas too, where there is plenty of room to install the additional ramps. It's even worse as you start approaching actual cities. Not kidding either... CT's highway system is a complete cluster fuck.
@Casprizzle
@Casprizzle Жыл бұрын
I moved to TX with my family when I was still young, and I remember my mom and dad being really confused by frontage roads and especially turnarounds. However, after getting used to them, we love it. It is way more convenient than other states. I cringe every time I need to turnaround on a vacation outside of TX and have to wait at 2 lights just to go the other way.
@josedenueces
@josedenueces Жыл бұрын
What's interesting is that frontage roads as well as Texas u-turns are very common in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which makes me wonder if the original highway engineers were Texans or studied in Texas. Riyadh even has high stack interchanges
@miscstuff7824
@miscstuff7824 Жыл бұрын
I'm sure with a strong petrochem industry in both Houston and Middle East, there's bound to have been some cross pollination of socio-civil engineering ideas.
@McCdrizzle
@McCdrizzle Жыл бұрын
I know the TXDOT has a very large amount of Texas A&M alumni working for them and there is a Texas A&M campus in Qatar. Could be part of the reason for that, or maybe just a coincidence.
@majedal-baghl4917
@majedal-baghl4917 Жыл бұрын
Cheap fuel and cheap land remove disincentives for these. Not that they're very safe: I have to drive an extra kilometer or so south every day to get to work here in Saudi, and then drive a kilometer north to get to the office. Often cars stack up in the U-turn lane and overflow into the left lane. Oncoming northbound drivers drive 110 km (68mph), and drivers making a U-turn must choose their gaps. It's a good thing we pray five times a day!
@ntl9974
@ntl9974 11 ай бұрын
Nice insight. I imagine so
@spamlessaccount
@spamlessaccount 10 ай бұрын
@@majedal-baghl4917Solution to that is dedicated acceleration lanes out of the U-Turn.
@HbCAMM_CT
@HbCAMM_CT Жыл бұрын
I think I can also think about another advantage, knowing that rural Texas have a lot of agricultural industry. So for example, if you would have to use a road to drive a tractor 🚜? I mean I think that thouse alternative path can come in handy as you would be able to drive 30 mph without making anyone angry. And since highways are limited access areas, you wouldn't probably be able to enter them in the first place and would have to search for alternatives, that could be uncomfortable to use as they would not run along the important corridor like an interstate road. I'm sorry English isn't my first language, I'm just judging from the area where I live anytime a tractor goes on the busy highway it's often a traffic jam. So correct me if I can be wrong.
@MileageMike485
@MileageMike485 Жыл бұрын
Good point.
@HbCAMM_CT
@HbCAMM_CT Жыл бұрын
@@MileageMike485 also second possible way revealed to me in a dream yesterday: Horses. You can ride horse on the side of a street but not the highway obviously.
@ljacobs357
@ljacobs357 Жыл бұрын
I used to work for the Texas Department of Highways. Frontage roads were built for developers to profit from having access. Very few roads in Texas were built for transporting reasons.
@Bill_N_ATX
@Bill_N_ATX Жыл бұрын
That’s cynical enough to be actually true. Welcome to Texas where the business of government is business.
@ernestsmith3581
@ernestsmith3581 Жыл бұрын
The actual name being "Texas Department of Transportation" makes your claim to have worked there appear a bit dubious.
@dinozorman
@dinozorman Жыл бұрын
service roads are mostly just a way to access the land that is being farmed, making transport much easier. county roads are still roads, even if they are mostly used for land portioning. sure their use has changed when towns grow into cities and then metroplexes. but their original purpose hasn't. connecting sellers to buyers.
@petertrudelljr
@petertrudelljr Жыл бұрын
@@ernestsmith3581 Depends on how long ago it was. The Texas Highway Department was created on April 4, 1917. On June 19, 1975, Gov. Dolph Briscoe signed a bill that merged Texas Mass Transportation Commission and the highway department to form the State Department of Highways and Public Transportation. The State Department of Highways and Public Transportation was renamed the Texas Department of Transportation in 1991.
@ernestsmith3581
@ernestsmith3581 Жыл бұрын
@@petertrudelljr Well, they never changed the signs on the trucks from "Texas Highway Department" until it became Txdot.
@LCCB
@LCCB Жыл бұрын
I think biggest disadvantage of a frontage road is they encourage speeding. They’re basically drag strips encouraged by high speed traffic on the interstate. And unlike interstates, high speed can have disastrous consequences on a frontage road if another driver turns out onto the road from a business.
@MileageMike485
@MileageMike485 Жыл бұрын
Good point. I’ve seen that on the ones in Dallas
@bullinmd
@bullinmd Жыл бұрын
Also, some of the frontage roads in Texas were former alignments of highways. An example of this is I-20 between Weatherford and Ranger where the north side access road was a former alignment of US 80 (noted by older-style bridges).
@johnd8167
@johnd8167 Жыл бұрын
Same with parts of Route 66 east and west of Amarillo, that are now service roads for I-40.
@spamlessaccount
@spamlessaccount Жыл бұрын
And much if I-35 is the old US 77.
@ShawnMcKee77
@ShawnMcKee77 Жыл бұрын
I just moved to Texas last year from Mississippi and I must say that I do like the frontage roads. And especially like the Texas turnarounds that make it easy to double back to a business on the one-way frontage roads.
@j.s.7335
@j.s.7335 Жыл бұрын
I'm a resident of Austin, Texas. This was pretty comprehensive, but I think think there is a big disadvantage that was missed, and one advantage mentioned is more of a disadvantage. The big disadvantage is that urban one-way frontage roads are reliant on a lot of weaving across them to get onto ramps and into turnarounds and out of lanes that either randomly end or turn in directions you don't want to go. It's very chaotic. You can probably tell that I don't like frontage roads. The separation of local and long-distance traffic sounds advantageous, but can alternatively be viewed as putting them in the same corridor, where they interfere with each other, which is how I see it.
@LolLol-ve5xt
@LolLol-ve5xt Жыл бұрын
Austin needs more interstates
@idminister
@idminister Жыл бұрын
There are some cities that just have terrible planning, eveen in texas. Austion is one of them. the texas joke is that the engineers who did the road planning were thus: aggies
@clintonmcbride7015
@clintonmcbride7015 Жыл бұрын
@@idminister It's true that any time you mention interstates in Texas, people from Austin are going to be upset. Rightfully so, as Austin has some unique issues that deviate from the norm. In my experience of course, it is true that most engineers are Aggies!
@dinozorman
@dinozorman Жыл бұрын
ahh yes... austin. the only city surrounded by texas. i dont think this is a road issue lol.
@theoriginaledi
@theoriginaledi Жыл бұрын
I can absolutely understand why you feel that way but, having traveled extensively both inside and outside of Texas, and having spent a good bit of time in Austin, I feel like lots of things there are just really poorly designed for such a large city precisely because they weren't designed for such a large city. 20, 30, 40 years ago, Austin was a much better place to drive, but the long period of outrageous growth that it's experienced has caused a lot of its infrastructure to lag behind the current needs and become difficult to use. It's a frustrating ordeal today. I promise it's a very different situation in much of the state, and frontage roads really do make things better in lots of places, at least in my opinion.
@dontgetlost4078
@dontgetlost4078 Жыл бұрын
Road Guy Rob has done a video on these a couple of years ago, and despite being a road enjoyer, he called such usage of frontage roads as "great designs leading to terrible roads", due to the so-called "area of influence" around an interchange which ends up being the entirety of Texan frontage roads. This makes the environment around the highways to be the same everywhere, with the frequent exits makes the sprawl greater, which is not a good thing especially in the Houston area, getting more and more susceptible to hurricanes every year. There will be more Hurricane Harveys.
@leechjim8023
@leechjim8023 Жыл бұрын
May wanna move to San Antone or the DFW Metroplex.
@leechjim8023
@leechjim8023 Жыл бұрын
Houston is in hurricane AND cancer alleys!
@connor5890
@connor5890 Жыл бұрын
For these reasons I hate them. They make crossing under an underpass terrible
@biruss
@biruss Жыл бұрын
@@connor5890 same number of crossings
@blvck5943
@blvck5943 Жыл бұрын
Is it the lack of obstacles that allows the hurricane a given pathway way to destruction with no deterrent?
@unholycow11
@unholycow11 Жыл бұрын
I feel like one of the disadvantages of frontage roads is one of the reported advantages. Yeah, frontage roads open up development that otherwise wouldn’t be there, facing the highway, but what that also means is that we end up with SO much of our development being stretched across these long linear paths instead of concentrated in denser commercial areas - forcing local drivers to routinely be taking further trips more frequently on highways. I’m in Austin and if I wanted to go the post office, Walmart, and Central Market, that’s me getting on a 55mph frontage road or 65mph highway 3 times over just to run some quick errands.
@Cycology_Major
@Cycology_Major 3 ай бұрын
That’s right. It’s asinine. Speaking of which, guys’ butts are getting pretty soft and wide anymore, driving around on one’s ass for every little trip 🤭😭
@FireboltPrime
@FireboltPrime Жыл бұрын
Being a Houston native and having traveled outside of Texas before, I remember being on the 285 in Atlanta and thinking "man, a frontage road would be nice"
@shivtim
@shivtim Жыл бұрын
Lol. No.
@FireboltPrime
@FireboltPrime Жыл бұрын
@@shivtim have you ever been on there, 610 wishes it were that bad
@danbert8
@danbert8 Жыл бұрын
Being an Atlanta resident and having traveled to Houston, I am usually on 285 thinking it would be nice to have a few more ring highways like Houston has done...
@BabyBang17datruth
@BabyBang17datruth Жыл бұрын
@@danbert8 Yeah. As an Atlanta resident who worked out in Dallas a couple years ago, I realized Atlanta’s bypass needs another or more bypasses.
@subwooferbone
@subwooferbone Жыл бұрын
@@BabyBang17datruth The US, and Texas in particular, is proof positive you can't build your way out of traffic problems. There needs to be a fundamental shift in mindset. As a European, the concept of a bar with a large dedicated parking lot is absolutely nuts...
@jimrossi7708
@jimrossi7708 Жыл бұрын
Another great 👍🏼 video MM, as a trucker for 42 years with about 10 years running line haul between Secaucus, NJ and Charlotte, NC and/or Bristol, Va/Tn , I find your videos very enjoyable to watch and if anyone would like to know what you have to endure if you didn’t have service roads all you have to do is drive US 22 in the Scotch Plains area in New Jersey where you have businesses not just along the highway but in the middle of the highway , this creates messes most of the day !!
@j.f.e.productions4098
@j.f.e.productions4098 Жыл бұрын
In South Carolina, I 85 Business which was the original I 85 has Frontage roads. Business 85 was built on a old routing of U.S. 29 around Spartanburg so there were businesses on adjacent land. It was one of the first parts of I 85 to be built in the state.
@RyanS32
@RyanS32 Жыл бұрын
In Houston we specifically call them "Feeder Roads"
@stogieguy7
@stogieguy7 Жыл бұрын
I love the frontage roads in Texas! For the most part, they work beautifully. Yes, there’s the occasional tie up but in most cases that would still be worse without them. Great video, as always.
@earnthis1
@earnthis1 Жыл бұрын
Texas traffic sucks! lol Texans are like a cult that thinks they have figured everything out, and yet, somehow, things run terribly! lololol I guess it's better than Arkansas...
@petertrudelljr
@petertrudelljr Жыл бұрын
Oh, and TXDOT has changed their philosophy with entrance/exit ramps in recent years. Here in San Antonio they're basically redoing all of TX1604 on the west/south side of town. The philosophy is to have exit ramps just after the interchange and then the entrance ramps ahead of intersections. In addition, the highway gains a temporary far-right lane which serves as the on-merge and exit-only lane easing merge and exit traffic!
@carmenmurphy2543
@carmenmurphy2543 Жыл бұрын
Another thing about driving in TX is you are expected to make a right turn into another road/parking lot from the shoulder (if it exists and is safe to do so) to avoid slowing down the main lanes of traffic. Got ticketed in LA for doing this. We also used to be known for slower traffic temporarily moving onto the shoulder so faster traffic could pass on 2 lane highways and farm roads, but I haven't seen that in a long time.
@farrahupson
@farrahupson Жыл бұрын
I was recently on an FM in central Texas and had someone move to the shoulder to let me pass. And on the same trip, someone in oncoming traffic flashed his lights to let me know I'd be passing a cop soon. It felt like a blast from the past.
@dinozorman
@dinozorman Жыл бұрын
lol im TX born and i got pulled over in a suburb of Las Vegas for not stopping turning left in a curbed and grassed median. it was like 3am and we had been driving all night, and i was watching the GPS. i didnt even know that was a thing. luckily i only got a warning, but i had just assumed it was a obvious yield. (too be fair there was an obvious stop sign)
@theoriginaledi
@theoriginaledi Жыл бұрын
People still go onto the shoulder to let people pass all the time in my area. (To be fair, I live in a very remote, rural part of the state where most roads are only two lanes. I'm sure that makes a big difference.) You'd be considered deeply rude and inconsiderate-or maybe assumed to be from up north or the west coast, which unfortunately amounts to pretty much the same thing in the minds of some Texans-if you didn't. I did not know it was illegal in some places to turn from the shoulder. I've done it all over the country, probably including LA (I do it so habitually that I don't even know when I've done it), so I guess I've just gotten lucky and never been caught. Thanks for the tip!
@caseymitchell5477
@caseymitchell5477 Жыл бұрын
I stopped moving over because of nails. Had way too many flats, and even multiple flats at the same time.
@NSFWHarold
@NSFWHarold Жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of frontage roads. The pros far out weight the cons. The land adjacent to the highway becomes more valuable because of easy access right off the highway. In Vegas, all of the local car dealerships scooped up that hot frontage road property. A perfect match of commercial and infrastructure needs.
@paulbrower
@paulbrower 7 ай бұрын
I have lived in Texas and Michigan, and I am convinced that frontage roads have helped Texas grow. Frontage roads are excellent for commercial development while making the infamous stroads unnecessary for such. Michigan could have used them, and I can say the same of neighboring Indiana and Ohio. Forest, mountain, and desert areas are inappropriate for them as there is no developable real estate nearby. Frontage roads keep traffic from festering at the busier exits.
@pinktearose17
@pinktearose17 Жыл бұрын
I have tons of driving anxiety, so frontage roads allow me to get anywhere I need without worrying about merging and high speeds; I love them so much
@enjoyslearningandtravel7957
@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 Жыл бұрын
thanks for making such a good detailed information about this topic. I really enjoyed it especially because I used to live in Texas.
@annabelholland
@annabelholland Жыл бұрын
In europe, this is not necassary. Plus, it takes up too much space. That is like adding six lanes (3e per direction) to an existing motorway. In uk, we already have a comprehensive road network, so if the motorway is closed for roadworks (not sure if other countries follow suit) or accident, we are able to direct them onto local roads. This is why they are only closed between 8pm and 7am. In addition, think of induced demand that widening roads does not always decrease traffic flow.
@ntl9974
@ntl9974 11 ай бұрын
Induced demand is not bad. Who cares that more demand comes in?
@shannadowd7176
@shannadowd7176 Жыл бұрын
Interesting info!
@seanduncan3958
@seanduncan3958 Жыл бұрын
Great and informative video. Hope you had a great visit here in Texas!
@LifeIsntHealthy
@LifeIsntHealthy Жыл бұрын
Very interesting to hear your outside perspective on some things I took for granted
@scarpfish
@scarpfish Жыл бұрын
I remember the first time I visited Dallas in 2004. I drove in on a Sunday night and stayed at a hotel just off I-35E in Carrollton which is probably 12+ miles north of the city center. I wake up on Monday morning to see southbound interstate traffic literally crawling. I wanted no part of that mess, so I stayed on a frontage road all the way into downtown.
@spamlessaccount
@spamlessaccount Жыл бұрын
Typical morning.
@colormedubious4747
@colormedubious4747 Жыл бұрын
In many parts of the USA (mostly eastern), Interstates were built on new terrain, parallel to existing US and state highways, and therefore did not require extensive frontage roads as the older highways fulfilled local travel needs (I-81 and US-11 in Virginia, for example). In Texas and other western states, on the other hand, many Interstates were simply upgraded US and state highways, so frontage roads were needed to continue to provide for local travel needs after access to the former highways was severely limited.
@heatherbrandon5003
@heatherbrandon5003 Жыл бұрын
I remember first moving to Texas and being heavily thrown off by the turnarounds. Now I dont even blink. Personally, I like the frontage roads as far as getting free from traffic jams when needed.
@glennfjenkins2702
@glennfjenkins2702 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content Mike I appreciate it
@russianbear0027
@russianbear0027 Жыл бұрын
Tbh the backing roads you mentioned seem like a better "local access road". I've driven across most of Texas and while the u turns are nice to have, overall the areas without service roads are nicer both as a driver and a pedestrian. Denton has areas with and without frontage roads for example. The local business angle is ironic because along service roads for new development you end up with the same 10 or so giant chains stamped over and over. Also using the bus to get to anywhere on central expressway sucks since there are no sidewalks in a lot of areas and people run red lights all the time. I lived in a town out in the country bisected by a high way and service road for a while. It sucked because the park was on one side where the old state highway used to be and where I lived was across the highway from it. Someone died on the service road probably because there were no pedestrian crossings or sidewalks and the speed limit was like 45 or 50. The whole town lacked sidewalks except for the oldest part. But at least the local roads were all 25 mph. There was a crossunder nearby, but it didn't have any space for pedestrians at all. Walking along the service road was harrowing. And I had to take a goddamn car to the park 100 yards away because of it.
@sudoFrank
@sudoFrank Жыл бұрын
I was born and raised in San Antonio, have driven in DFW, Houston, Austin. I learned how to drive as a teenager on these frontage roads as they were being expanded/built! This is a great comprehensive overview of one of my favorite Texas-patented pieces of infrastructure.
@jguerra0117
@jguerra0117 Жыл бұрын
Smiling the whole time watching this. Just love my state, and it’s infrastructure!
@ShreyasBharadwaj
@ShreyasBharadwaj Жыл бұрын
I've driven in Texas many times and never made sense of the roads until your video. Thanks!
@sonic2batt
@sonic2batt Жыл бұрын
NYC has "Service Roads" which were mostly built because the roads existed before the highways. They definitely help when the highways are congested. The main ones being: Horace Harding Expressway, Van Wyck Expressway, Bruckner Blvd, Whitestone Expressway, and North/South Conduit Aves.
@Deltron3031
@Deltron3031 Жыл бұрын
Yes, in the northeast we have some limited "service roads". These are pretty much limited to urban areas where the planners tried to keep existing neighborhoods intact to the greatest extent practical when the interstates came through. Between the larger cities, the best you can do if avoiding the highway due to an accident or construction is go on the local/state highway that the interstate effectively "replaced". In many areas on I-95, for example, this is US Route 1. But these routes are far from parallel roadways and they slow down to very low speeds within the villages they cross.
@waltersaul1807
@waltersaul1807 Жыл бұрын
Frontage roads that are one-way with a few less ramps per mile seem like a good idea, and I like your idea of frontage roads being a viable alternative for drivers who are new to an area, are older, or otherwise unable to cope with the increasing speeds of freeways. Since a freeway often replaces a US or state highway that was a surface, lower-speed street, it does cut people out of access - a frontage road can be very helpful in this situation. And, of course, the free access road is a nice alternative to paying toll. Glad to see you are a Pappadeaux fan (7:35). They are the best eatery at DFW, near gate A28.
@cifey
@cifey Жыл бұрын
Yeah getting drivers used to fewer exits, exiting early or u-turning to come back should improve freeway safety and flow. I don't like the HOV lanes on the far left with various restrictions and higher tolls, but I guess somebody is getting rich from them. They should be eliminated and replaced with left exit options.
@andrewschwenke720
@andrewschwenke720 Жыл бұрын
@@cifey Trust me you don't want left handed exits. Nothing like traffic backing up on both sides of the highway. Don't believe me visit OKC
@xandersnyder7214
@xandersnyder7214 Жыл бұрын
Born and raised in DFW and I will say it threw me for a loop when I took my first trip to the North East as a driving adult. Driving in Pennsylvania and New Jersey was an unpleasant experience compared to driving in Texas. If you are exploring Dallas I highly recommend that you take a look over in the North Fort Worth area, we are growing rapidly and the cost of living is a little bit lower on this side of town compared to Dallas. I hope you are enjoying your time in DFW!
@Luigiman_95
@Luigiman_95 Жыл бұрын
I greatly enjoyed frontage roads. Nearby me never had frontage roads going west but one going east. After the 183/121 texpress construction, they removed one exit but added the frontage road going west. Now I can go get in-n-out in Hurst without getting into the freeway!
@nygeriunprence
@nygeriunprence Жыл бұрын
Frontage roads encourage a monopoly of large chain and fast food development along highways. If we removed feeders and added pretty sound barriers, we could move development back to normal streets and transit stops further away from the highway and give mom and pop shops a fighting chance.
@shaynestephens
@shaynestephens Жыл бұрын
Mileage Mike, I really enjoy your videos, especially the ones where you tell us the information about particular roads. I am originally from downstate NY. Nelsonville, which is about, nine miles north of the Bear Mountain Bridge which you covered in your travels. As a child I was a road geek. My parents joked that my first words were NOT "Mama" and "Dada" but "Esso", Mobil", Sunoco" and "Texaco". Having had traveled out to New Mexico twice as an adolescent, even then the "Frontage Roads" in Texas were obvious. Have passed through Texas many times in my life since the '60's, I have seen more and more frontage roads and came to the same conclusion as you stated in this video. It was for business access along the freeway. In a lot of cases, the frontage roads were once US highways (i.e. US 66, US 75, US 81, US 281) that Interstates were replacing, and business and homes already existed along the route. Some the actual original US highway roadbeds are now in fact a Frontage Road. Thank you for this and for all your videos. I envy you and your travels. Please be save and continue your wonderful work.
@AdamM
@AdamM Жыл бұрын
Very nice. Welcome to Texas and Dallas! :)
@williamhardee8863
@williamhardee8863 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video, I never realized service roads were so much more prominent in Texas.
@davegoesthedistance
@davegoesthedistance Жыл бұрын
They’ve grown on me since moving to Fort Worth, TX from Grand Rapids, MI. I think the thing that threw me for a loop was on my moving down trip encountering them in Arkansas for the first time. Especially because the first one I encountered was two-way and had what I will lovingly refer to as a “kamikaze off-ramp” where instead of simply connecting to the frontage road, it cut across it at a drastic angle and then looped around to rejoin it a few hundred feet away.
@dirtymike3329
@dirtymike3329 Жыл бұрын
Detroit has frontage roads. As an Ohioan that was my first experience
@ernestsmith3581
@ernestsmith3581 Жыл бұрын
Two ways definitely need to be done away with. Unless some bright young engineer perfects a "Mobius Strip Access Road" bi-directionals will always be dangerous. :⁠-⁠)
@mikeet69
@mikeet69 Жыл бұрын
There are a few reason’s Amarillo has a lot of road construction. One reason is the weather. It is BOTH cold and hot here with snow most winters and lots of wind, however less humidity than say DFW, SA, Houston, or Austin. In fact they have to close I-40 sometimes for the weather. Also they are trying to build a true loop around the city including moving the western side further west. Finally I would say they seem to practice the more old fashioned way of building roads that takes forever and seems perpetual. All with far less traffic than the big cities in Texas. Trying to play catchup with rest of state and rival Lubbock. IMHO.
@ryanvandy1615
@ryanvandy1615 Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of frontage roads in the Metro Detroit area.
@SheaHarris
@SheaHarris Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I just assumed they were part of every freeway. Mind blown. I thought they were needed to get on and off of one. I can't think of ever seeing one without a frontage road. It seems like travel around freeways would be a major pain without them. Where I live they built about half of a freeway circling my city then I guess ran out of state funding for it so the other half of it was just the frontage road with a big field between them for about 40 years until they finished the freeway.
@justcommenting4981
@justcommenting4981 Жыл бұрын
Nice quick history and explanation of this piece of Texas infrastructure. It is weird when you first drive there especially the U Turn.
@azimali322
@azimali322 Жыл бұрын
The other downside to feeder roads is that they can cause lots of traffic accidents because of people not indicating that they are turning into a business access or swerving to making multiple lane changes to get onto the freeway, especially when the feeder road's speed is relatively high compared to side streets.
@trainguy1792
@trainguy1792 Жыл бұрын
My area in NE Mississippi has a rural frontage road off US 82. The main purpose of these were to encourage new business and allow neighborhoods along the old US 82 to still have direct road access.
@ace20016
@ace20016 Жыл бұрын
We don’t have frontage roads here in Florida. And I never been to Texas. But I definitely can see an advantage of having frontage roads in urban areas. Correction: There’s some limited access highways with frontage roads here in Florida. I-595 in Broward County. And US 19 in Pinellas County. My bad y’all.
@LoneWolf1493
@LoneWolf1493 Жыл бұрын
Having grown up visiting my grandpa in Clearwater, y’all probably need those frontage roads more than Texas does
@ace20016
@ace20016 Жыл бұрын
@@LoneWolf1493 1)Right 2)I forgot there’s frontage roads along US 19 in Pinellas County.
@ElmerCat
@ElmerCat Жыл бұрын
See SR-84 / I-595 west of Ft. Lauderdale - SR-84 was a two-lane highway until about 1980 when it became two lanes in each direction, separated by a huge median. There were many businesses and local side streets on each side. Eventually, I-595 was built in the median with SR-84 as its frontage roads. A similar pattern happened in many other places where parts of a legacy US or State route were upgraded to accommodate a new freeway. (e.g.: US-66 -> I-44 )
@ace20016
@ace20016 Жыл бұрын
@@ElmerCat I forgot about I-595 too.
@penguinsfan251
@penguinsfan251 Жыл бұрын
​@@LoneWolf1493 True, US19 in Clearwater has frontage roads...I stayed at the Hampton Clearwater twice which is along a frontage road.
@rlg1976x
@rlg1976x Жыл бұрын
You also have the other Texas phenomenon of long, tall ramps at stack interchanges and very tall high mast lighting to go with those interchanges.
@MileageMike485
@MileageMike485 Жыл бұрын
True. Haven’t seen those in any other state like Texas has them.
@bullinmd
@bullinmd Жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing Lubbock, Texas Tech, and the Marsha Sharp Frwy.
@cwoelkers1
@cwoelkers1 Жыл бұрын
We have a good number of these in Detroit and around the state. I always thought they were a "recommendation" for Interstate highways.
@crollwtide9452
@crollwtide9452 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, and it clearly illustrates why frontage roads are an ingenious way to solve what I'd call the "urban decay" problem with interstate corridors and business access. By preserving access to those businesses, it preserves the economic balance of the affected areas. There are so many places in the country that have died out due to loss of business when interstate highways were first built.
@wolfblaide
@wolfblaide Жыл бұрын
The downside is the walkability of these areas becomes even worse. It's entrenching more road usage into communities that desperately need better urban density and should be prioritizing pedestrian access.
@biruss
@biruss Жыл бұрын
@@wolfblaide hahaha. Pedestrians walk the sidewalk
@wolfblaide
@wolfblaide Жыл бұрын
@@biruss yes. And?
@dontgetlost4078
@dontgetlost4078 Жыл бұрын
@@biruss What sidewalk?
@biruss
@biruss Жыл бұрын
@@dontgetlost4078 frontage roads have sidewalks in the suburban areas
@CoasterCrest
@CoasterCrest Жыл бұрын
I had a very scary introduction to Texas involving frontage roads. The main line of I-10 west was closed for construction near Beaumont, so all Interstate traffic was driving on the frontage road. I got off a little exit from the frontage road to use a gas station. Getting back ON the frontage road was very dangerous, though. I had to merge back onto the frontage road, with cars zooming by at 80mph, with a little makeshift onramp that was only about 500 feet long for me to turn right onto and get up to highway speed from a complete stop, and no shoulder. And of course, because its a major interstate in Texas being restricted to just a 2 lane frontage road, there were very few gaps in traffic to be able to merge into. I waited a bit and give it my best shot, but a big lifted pickup truck zooming in from behind defintely had to slow down a bit for me, and swerved a little.
@mike-sk2li
@mike-sk2li Жыл бұрын
Try accomplishing that feat in an 80,000 pound semi truck! Your car can get up to speed in a few seconds. A truck will enter that ramp doing 10mph. Luckily most people realize they will die if they don't slow down or move over
@danalaniz7314
@danalaniz7314 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@KCDashcammer
@KCDashcammer Жыл бұрын
Great video! Honestly the main issues I have with them are the double yields signs. Imagine an out of state driver not familiar with them realizing you have to yield to the off-ramp of the main freeway. I don't even think locals do well with them either. It also encourages crossing multiple lanes in a short amount of distance if you want to make a right turn (assuming you are coming off the freeway) or getting on the freeway if you are coming from let's say a strip mall from the right. it should ironically not encourage such maneuvers since you could take an earlier exit or delay getting on the freeway until after the next intersection. It's just a nightmare during busy hours it seems. Also not very pedestrian friendly as well as screws up my GPS as the roads are so close together, it thinks I'm on the frontage road instead of the freeway.. The main pluses are obviously the easy to use dedicated U-turn lanes and being able to pivot in your route easily like for example what you said about accidents on the main freeway. It is also a big part of what makes Texas Texas.
@dinozorman
@dinozorman Жыл бұрын
we have nothing about yielding to off ramps in west texas. but there are plenty of signs about not crossing the double white lines, which separates the slower access roads. seems most people now dont even realize that the color and patterns of the road stripes actually mean something.
@spamlessaccount
@spamlessaccount Жыл бұрын
Most newer ones have a merge lane for the off-ramp, and there's no need to yield.
@KCDashcammer
@KCDashcammer Жыл бұрын
@@spamlessaccount Definitely better. Still have some old ones even in the busy metro areas though.
@RufusCat
@RufusCat 9 ай бұрын
Yep, definitely agree about the yielding to the off ramp. Most people don't, and that is about the only negative I see. I moved to KC from San Antonio and I miss the frontage roads a lot.
@TheDEM1995
@TheDEM1995 Жыл бұрын
Another advantage- for someone like myself who doesn't have the greatest of reaction times, using a service road is a /lot/ safer. The time difference sucks but it's better than avoiding your destination. An extra downside, though, is that near built-up places service roads make pedestrians' abilities to access things that much worse (in terms of sprawl, crossing, and in terms of businesses along service roads that are pretty inaccessible)
@MileageMike485
@MileageMike485 Жыл бұрын
True. Overall it looks like Texas cities aren't very interested in walkability.
@garyd.7372
@garyd.7372 Жыл бұрын
@@MileageMike485 - The whole state of Texas is not interested in walkability, for good reasons, primarily the huge distances involved in getting from (any) Point A to (any) Point B. Ask Dallas people if it's still a thing to drive from Dallas to Ft. Worth for lunch. Texans were expected to go everywhere on horseback, or in modern times have a pickup truck, Chevy Suburban, or (if they needed to impress people) a Cadillac, Mercedes or Porsche. I think there's a provision in the Texas state constitution covering this.
@pdawg193
@pdawg193 Жыл бұрын
@@garyd.7372 Honestly the only people in TX who are interested in walkability are those who live in or near Austin.
@hazey_dazey
@hazey_dazey Жыл бұрын
That isn't true. There are many people in metro areas across Texas interested in walkability. The issue is getting the average person to see the possibilities of good transit and fighting decades of cars=freedom propoganda (which are issues across the US)
@dontgetlost4078
@dontgetlost4078 Жыл бұрын
@@garyd.7372 One such "good reason" is TxDOT who hasn't left the "tradition" of leveling houses, businesses and amenities for the pleasure of the rich suburban family at the expense of everyone else.
@scottwoods9071
@scottwoods9071 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation of frontage road use!
@valour4494
@valour4494 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait until you visit California, Nevada and Arizona, as well as the Pacific NW. Thank you for your content! 🙏 SUBBED.
@russellvk
@russellvk Жыл бұрын
I remember being a teenager visiting family in St. Louis and finally realizing feeders were not the norm. Same when I moved to Austin as a couple of their highways don't have frontage roads.
@earnthis1
@earnthis1 Жыл бұрын
Oh WOW! amazing! lolololol
@LolLol-ve5xt
@LolLol-ve5xt Жыл бұрын
That’s only in Austin
@enolopanr9820
@enolopanr9820 Жыл бұрын
@@LolLol-ve5xt austin has tons of frontage roads. they spent 10 years building them on mopac expwy downtown
@Quaza57
@Quaza57 Жыл бұрын
I'm not a Texan (YET) but I drive a big rig in Texas quite often from Dallas to Houston or to Laredo or where ever and I have to say first time I seen the Texas U-Turn I was little amazed like why can't other states do this and the feeder roads I love them best idea ever and wish more state adopt the idea but money is the big talker. as a person who drives the country Texas my favorite state to be in and i try to get there often
@aaronholcomb237
@aaronholcomb237 Жыл бұрын
They call them Texas turnarounds.
@mike-sk2li
@mike-sk2li Жыл бұрын
As a driver myself I absolutely despise Texas. The frontage road system on paper is a great idea. Most drivers pay zero attention to speed double white lines or yield. The system has a free for all mentality and the most aggressive fastest driver will always take advantage. Nothing like having a car decapitate themselves on you dot bumper because yield means go faster
@andrewschwenke720
@andrewschwenke720 Жыл бұрын
@@mike-sk2li I'm guessing you're not from Texas 🤣.
@LenTexDIY
@LenTexDIY Жыл бұрын
I moved to the Austin area 25 years ago and it took a little bit of time to adjust to frontage roads, but after living here so long, I'm so used to them that going back home to NY and using freeways up there is a bit weird to me now.
@leafleafkris
@leafleafkris Жыл бұрын
idk if this is weird to say but i love your voice, it's calming to me
@UrbanistChicago
@UrbanistChicago Жыл бұрын
Vistited Texas for my first two times last year (Austin and Dallas). People aren't lying when they say Texas is every urbanist's worst nightmare. Your "cities" (more like giant suburbs) feel like they're 50% covered by freeway and these frontage roads are a big reason why. It's all extremely hostile to anyone not driving.
@jamhamaudits6791
@jamhamaudits6791 Жыл бұрын
video idea: interstates that are permanently one lane each way for a brief moment (not including interchanges), i live in topeka ks and i-70 is only one lane going straight thru the downtown section and i really don’t see any reason why, and i’m sure this happens in other cities too
@trillbilly69
@trillbilly69 Жыл бұрын
that’s not permanent, the Polk-Quincy Viaduct is being rebuilt
@westrim
@westrim Жыл бұрын
Because the downtown existed first, and Topeka sensibly didn't ruin their city for a freeway like so many others have done.
@fireboybx
@fireboybx Жыл бұрын
I didn’t know what you were talking about until you said access or service road! Frontage road is a new one for me
@fldon2306
@fldon2306 Жыл бұрын
Great vid Mike! On ramps to the IH’s EVERY 10 FEET causes too much merging, hence jam-ups on the Interstate/Highway… People jump onto the Freeway for ONE Intersection to skip a light, but interferes with the Freeway. Austin, and just south (Kyle?) this brings I-35 to a stop! Eliminate some ramps or make crossover ramps where the next exit is Before the last On ramp!
@leechjim8023
@leechjim8023 Жыл бұрын
GIANT EYEBALL!
@williammueller6639
@williammueller6639 Жыл бұрын
I've lived in about a dozen states in my lifetime with the latest being Texas. Frontage roads is on the list of the things I really love about TX. Those 2 way ones were daunting but I think every one of them between Austin and San Antonio is now one way. Commuting here is so much better than it ever was in UT, CO, CA, OK, TN, GA...
@seandunn2062
@seandunn2062 Жыл бұрын
Still some 2-way service roads on I-10 west of houston.
@dinozorman
@dinozorman Жыл бұрын
there are still plenty of 2 way service roads. but its in smaller towns. and if you know what color the road stripes indicate, its pretty easy to navigate. they often have heavy signage now too, since plenty of people can barely use the signage, much less what the road stripes actually mean.
@brentmerritt3533
@brentmerritt3533 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Houston and that is where I was taught how to drive. I now live in Oklahoma, and I miss the frontage roads. All major freeways and toll roads should have them.
@TheNotSoOrdinaryCarGuy
@TheNotSoOrdinaryCarGuy 8 ай бұрын
I’ve lived in Texas for nearly ten years (a mix between Austin and San Antonio) and I’ve spent most of my years before that living in Phoenix, Las Vegas, Kentucky and South Dakota. And I have to say that I hate the frontage roads here. Having a plethora of business off an interstate or freeway is a major distraction and I think it adds to the traffic and congestion. Also, exits are usually intended to get you to a cross street and many times the ramps for them are located 1 or two miles before you actually cross that road as the exit ramp just dumps you onto the frontage until you eventually cross that street. Its like having to always get on an extra street to get to the actual street you want to be on. In the Phoenix metro, everything (businesses, housing areas, side streets) are all located off the major arterial streets so there’s never a need to access anything along the freeways themselves and the exits are never closer than a mile apart as the major arterials are all exactly one mile apart. To me, they have the best freeway/road network in the country as they built most of it after the interstate boom and they’ve learned from a lot of the mistakes that older cities have made. That’s just my take. I think the frontage roads look cool and it makes an area seem very happening when you see all the businesses directly off of it. But you also end up merging with traffic to you right rear of your vehicle when you use the Texas turnarounds. Non frontage freeway exits using SPUI (Single Point Urban Interchange) or diverging diamond interchanges, so basically the same thing as the Texas turnaround.
@JRCody-ds3ec
@JRCody-ds3ec Жыл бұрын
Frontage roads are good for cities that want their focal point to be a freeway. In cities where freeways are just methods to get through/across town fast, fewer conflict points and smaller right of way makes more sense.
@subwooferbone
@subwooferbone Жыл бұрын
The point of American cities is to create as much traffic as possible, I thought everyone knew that.
@michaeljkeeney
@michaeljkeeney Жыл бұрын
I disagree.
@dinozorman
@dinozorman Жыл бұрын
i think you dont understand what a city actually is. its a literal trading hub, the whole point is that you need access to the business/local economy import/export that make it happen. freeways dont make cities, cities make traffic.
@pray-unceasingly
@pray-unceasingly Жыл бұрын
I loved service/frontage/access roads when I lived in Texas many decades ago. The pros definitely outweigh the cons. I always called them service roads. Sometimes, the service roads did not have a bridge to cross a stream or other body of water, so you were forced to loop under the highway back in the other direction.
@JonasMatthewBahta
@JonasMatthewBahta Жыл бұрын
FACTS!
@michaeljkeeney
@michaeljkeeney Жыл бұрын
Hear hear! They are called service roads in Fort Worth. I'm an Uber and Lyft driver and EVERYONE calls them service roads.
@JonasMatthewBahta
@JonasMatthewBahta Жыл бұрын
@@michaeljkeeney , yeah as far I know, that’s what they call it around DFW, it’s referred to differently across there, Houston, and San Antonio, not sure how it is around Austin.
@rpvitiello
@rpvitiello Жыл бұрын
New Jersey does something similar, with local and express lanes. The overpasses are usually built across both roads, so even the local lanes with driveways don’t have to stop for traffic lights, and all traffic needs to use exit ramps to turn.
@Sirmenonottwo
@Sirmenonottwo Жыл бұрын
I am pro frontage roads. There are a few of them in the greater metropolitan area of my city in NY state. There is one in particular that is really confusing that I have to drive on for work! It is NY 425 just over the creek in North Tonawanda. It is a super dense congestion because much of the town is built on it but it flow well and that is probably due to the frontage roads in part.
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