To be fair, it was an emergency sort of revolver issued to pilots so maybe we can give that exception?

Do we redesign or strengthen the firearm? Nah just weapon the bullet, lol that's one way to do things wrong.

@@justiron2999 Well, at least they were ambitious, a bit misled but still.

I was going to add the same comment so thank you for getting to it first brother.

@@JohnSmith-fd5un I wouldn't. Not much reason to make it unreliable.

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The examples of the M13 Aircrewman, either from Colt or S&W, are now collectors items.

A case of knowing what you want, but getting the details rather wrong.

They were only dangerous if you shot them

I said the same thing. I'm surprised that someone else brought up the M13.

Remember the 2 MPs playing John Wayne on duty at check point ? See who can draw faster for cigarettes? Then one MPs won when he blew away his battle buddy.

That lanyard allows a serviceman to rapidly throw his 1911 at the enemy multiple times. 😉

​@@stephenrandolph6322 Wait, what?

In 1978, I was tasked with designing a "qualification course" for sailors to safely carry and shoot the .45 by CINCLANTFLT because a sailor on watch had fired his pistol and narrowly missed hitting anyone. Every type of course I came up with failed, because sailors didn't take it very seriously or were afraid of the pistol and they shot the ground, the sky - anything but the target. In frustration, I tried the same course of instruction with the navy wives living on Dam Neck base and they were extremely successful and easily qualified "Expert". Admiral Kidd finally gave up and removed pistols for the quarterdeck watches.

This is what happens when you get a Democrat Congress making decisions about how the military does its job.

That's called the Pentagon .

@@stephenrandolph6322 It wasn't the Pentagon in this case, it was feuding between Army SF and Navy SEALS who couldn't agree on anything about the design and saw any compromise as the other branch "winning". Hence why it has a manual safety AND a separate decocker, and why that decocker is such a pain to use.

I think it's more likely the US army weren't asked what they needed. They simply got what the bean counters thought was a good idea even though they were given a shopping list of features to look for. Military procurement will never improve..

Requirements creep has been the bane of most gov’t projects.

SOCOM (although a misnomer) has their own acquisition & procurement mechanism. The M9 went through the standard material fielding process. Going to the 9mm was part of the "let's be like NATO countries" idea. I retired just as they were fielding the M9. Just comparing the M1911 and the M9 side by side, one is a weapon, the other is just a pistol.

Yup, that's Col. Cooper. And he was serious when he said it. Totally.

And let's not forget Jeff Cooper gave us the Beast known as 10mm, one hell of a great caliber.

Hard to swim with a rifle.

@@bdr32965 Well, better than 45 ACP (!) (braces for shitstorm).... :)

@@markh.6687 Oh ya 10mm hits a hell of a lot harder than .45 AARP.

Military-Industrial Complex

Same thing can be said of other bad gun designs adopted by the US. For example, the 1919 Browning machine gun was too heavy, suffered from random "cook-off" firing, used weather-sensitive cloth belts, and had no quick change barrel. Compare it to the superior MG34 and MG42 used by Germany and you'll appreciate the backwardness of US military weapons procurement. It wasn't John Browning's fault for designing a dog that met crappy requirements.

@@widehotep9257 You really think machinegun which needs barrel replacement after 200 shots is superior? :-) Germans lost war for some reason.

The gun was created for the specials forces, it met the requirements of the military ( weight, accuracy, reliable, suppressor ready , the gun went to 30000 rounds of +p with no malfunctions) So it’s the worst gun because hk over delivered ???? I quite don’t understand why it’s the worst gun. ( the grease gun or tommy gun are the worst guns in the military now hand guns the military is not gonna adopt something bad ) as a matter of fact at the beginning the beretta was the worst gun, unreliable, low quality parts , complicated when racking the slide for novices !!!! After a couple of years the fixed the problems so that makes it the worst gun and the worst gun according to this guy is the gun that the military wanted and hk didn’t need to fix nothing??? That doesn’t make any sense !!

@@Pidalin not like they were sandwiched between the most powerful militaries on the planet and had captured almost the entirety of Europe with a politician who had no place leading a military at the helm who repeatedly sabotaged their efforts accidentally because he didn't understand what they actually needed on the battlefield and didn't listen to the people who did.

Yep, the manufacturer is the Imbel.

The first handgun I ever fired on the range was a Colt Commander 9mm with a 9-round mag. It was a great arm, but I still preferred the Hi-Power that I later purchased.

What was the point?

Who cares?

@@cs-rj8ru the point is that no point needs to be made

He is like the MSM He only tells what he wants

@@steemerxaxon1643 I am coming at it from a viewer of Forgotten Weapons or c&arsonal. Filter my possibly unreasonable expectations through that.

@@edwardwood6532 you're correct tho they deserve an "honerable" mention.

I don't think many of those were formally adopted by the US Military. Most of those were very good guns although lacking in stopping power. The M1909 revolver was sort of a step in the wrong direction too but at least had a lot of power.

@@redtra236 Without rereading the entire thing, I believe they were used by officers. Widespread or official adoption, whatever that specifically means, may not be the case for those early pistols.

Right!? ...and all to save 1 pound in an 183,000 pound bomber, with 312,175 lbs of fuel, and 70,000lbs of bombs...an all up weight of 488,000 pounds(!), but a real K-frame, or God forbid a 1911...oh no, that's too much!

@@jacobmccandles1767 I cannot wrap my head around that! It's like someone designed and made that thing because they could and definitely not because they should. As you say, what would an airman prefer? Almost anything in a decent caliber other than that!

Or the .22 they issued to U2 pilots.

One of many worse guns than the mk23.

EXACTLY! We used this .38 for my first range qualification in the Army. Was not accurate and only 6 rounds of .38! No thanks! I was a young, stupid W01 right out of flight school and partnered up with a experienced CW4 Vietnam vet that day at the range. He hated it and here is why. This is what he told me. He was shot down in Vietnam flying his UH-1 Huey and everyone ended up unconscious after the crash except him. There was a Vietnamese soldier approaching and my buddy emptied his .38 into the approaching soldier who kept coming at him. He was out of bullets now. The door gunner came too around this time and hit the soldier with multiple rounds from his door mounted M60 and ended it right there. 7.62x51 for the win! I said "What would you like to have for your handgun?" "Something with as many bullets as I can get", was his reply. He also told me he used to carry a Thompson submachine gun on board with him after that incident. I learned ALOT from guys like my friend. Vietnam vets get all my respect. This .38 revolver does not....at least for a soldier in combat.

Yeah, thats a really good point.

The Mark 23 is my favorite handgun as well. I use mine as my EDC but I'm also 6'3.

“...Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.” --Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park

Genuinely curious. What makes it your favorite handgun?

@@thalesofmiletus6162 If you're expecting an objective explanation of why it's my favorite, you're probably not going to get it from me. I just like the gun, because it shoots well for me. I guess I can try to explain it, both by talking about the gun itself, and about the guns it's often compared to (most of which I own). I actually like the controls on the Mark 23. I do own a lot of HKs, so I prefer the paddle magazine release, and I like the Mark 23's implementation the most, of all of HK's paddle magazine releases. The USP release is too small, the new VP9/P30 release could use more texture, the HK45C release is similar to the Mark 23 (good), and the P7M8 release is pretty good too. I like HK's slide releases, and the Mark 23 is no exception - nice, big, easy to hit. The decocker is a bit slippery and low profile, but to me, decocking is an administrative procedure, not a tactical one, so I'd rather a decocker be out of the way than easy to hit. The safety I could do without (I'm not the kind of guy that runs the gun cocked and locked), but it mostly stays out of the way. The trigger is pretty decent too. Not a 1911, but pretty decent. The SA break is reasonably crisp, in the 5-5.5lb region. The reset is actually fantastically short, tactile, and audible, I'd go as far as to say the best reset of all the HKs I've shot. The DA is smooth, but somewhat heavy (maybe the 12lb range). I tend to like checkering on my handgun grips, and the Mark 23 definitely has that. The sight radius is pretty long. What about compared to some of the guns the Mark 23 is usually compared to? I have a USP Tactical, which is said to have been procured off the shelf and used instead of the Mk23 (albeit, in .45 instead of the 9mm that I have). The USP Tactical has a better SA break, but is worse in almost all of the other trigger aspects (more lackadaisical reset, grittier DA pull). I prefer the USP's trigger convertibility (I converted mine to V3 to remove the safety), but the lever is pretty big and kinda gets in the way of getting a higher grip. The sight radius is shorter, being a smaller gun, and at least on the 9mm, the sights don't clear suppressors as well. The HK45CT (Mk24) replaced the Mk23. I don't have one, but I do have a USP45 Compact, which the HK45CT is an evolution of (went something like USP45C > USP45CT > HK45CT). Most of the comments of the USP Tactical apply, but you also lose even more sight radius, magazine capacity (8-10 vs 12) and overall shootability. The USP45C feels a lot snappier than the Mk23 and I just don't shoot it anywhere near as well. The FNX45 Tactical is another comparison. It beats the Mk23 easily, on paper. Higher capacity, optics compatibility, better ambidexterity, actual Picatinny rail. I've got one, and I do like it. But it's the small details that I don't like. Mags don't drop free as well as most other guns. The safety lever works like a V1 USP, which I don't prefer. It's liable to decocking if you sweep it off of safe with force, and honestly, it's a bit mushy going to each position. The grip texture is a bit too aggressive. The gun overally feels more loose than a Mk23. The trigger SA break is lighter, but mushier, and the reset is not as good. The DA pull I'd say is comparable. Slide release is laughably small, comparable to a Glock. The Mark 23 just shoots really well, especially suppressed. I've shot it out to 100 yards with ease, and I'd love to stretch it out even further when I have the chance. The KAC suppressor, despite weighing nearly a pound, doesn't really throw off the balance of the gun (now, gun + suppressor + LAM does get heavy). It's not the most quiet suppressor, but it's still shockingly competitive for something from the 90s (I have the Rugged Obsidian 45, and it is quieter, but also longer, than the KAC). The gun does have a lot of muzzle flip (being long and having a high bore axis), but it gets back on target pretty fast and is a soft, smooth shooting gun. I am not saying it's the most practical gun. If I had to choose one handgun to cover my every day needs, the Mark 23 would not be it (just too big to conceal for me). But if you asked me to pick one gun for the range, or one gun to trust my life to (without the need to conceal), the Mark 23 would be it. That was a lot of text to say "I like the gun just because." But yeah. I like the gun just because.

who?

You’re pretty good

I don't know, he tried pawning it off to Meryl for the Desert Eagle 😂

B M but we’re talking about the 20th century so the p320 is not eligible. Also I wouldn’t say so, there was a fix to that problem so it’s not a bad gun as it stands.

Am... He used MR 23 Socom.

Unless you’re Swiss

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@@keithstone8693 how to tell someone failed their middle school English class

Except the Mark 23. It is the toughest pistol out there made from the best materials with legendary Kraut Space Magic.

@@keithstone8693 grammar Nazi

Same, it looked really cool and badass. However? After joining the military, the MK23 lost it’s luster for me.

Fuck ya dude

I wanted one but then went with a FNX45 Tactical

Pfft peasants. *crack* *sip* "Naked Snakes 1911 from MGS3, now that's a real military handgun"

@@shaynewalker3248 Can't forget the SA Operator 1911 that Old Snake had in MGS4, the weapon choice was probably a reference to Big Boss

"Fool me once..."

Lol

The same model too LOL

Lol sig was like that scene in war dogs 😂 they under bid the competition by over $100 million

Then they slid in the contract they are the sole provider of parts extra barrels and mags at a higher rate than glock so in the long run the military budgets and tax payers get screwed. Now that per unit undercut looks like peanuts to the fortune in mags & parts.

Yep!

As an owner of one, I'd have to agree. Once you remove the magazine safety.

Should’ve adopted the Hi-Point C9 :).

@@Miller09095 Mag safeties are the devil. The devil!

The US military sort of did that. They replaced an effective .45 caliber handgun with a little .36 caliber (9mm) popgun.

92 WAY 2 BIG 4 my fingers. Could only DA it left 'weak' handed. Couldn't hit shit, went to P35, Then 1911 till injury, then G36. Still miss that gem of a 1911.😢

Same.😂😂😂

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I feel like a lot of us felt this way. Lol

Haha same

M9 >>> 1911

Except soldiers actually liked The Annihilator

@@snowlothar45 Indeed, clearly I didn't serve in WW2 but the "Tommy gun" was an incredibly awesome weapon for its time.

we rag on the thompson for its excessive cost and weight. But looking back, All double stack mag SMGs built to standards worth shit were expensive and heavy(Suomi, Beretta 1938, PPD40, etc), until the PPsH41, M2(intrim SMG that was only technically adopted) and PPS43.

@Travers Kilroy Cooper Alvirez ehh the Thompson was definitely obsolescent in WW2, it doesn't bring anything new to the table and it is heavy and expensive. But it worked and worked well. Now, if you were talking about the .30 carbine thompson...

@@CKshouta I think that it's fair to say that soldiers will generally put up with heavy, some lack of ergonomics, something out of date provided it is reliable and does the job to whoever is on the receiving end. The Thompson is almost certainly all of those things. When a weapon works and you have every confidence that it will work when you need it to, a soldier will like that weapon.

M9 was the best modern handgun back in the day, but that doesn’t means it can beat other newer generation pistol. M9a3 can be the exceptional in accuracy test but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s not modular enough. Like m17, you can make it compact, you can make it longer barrels, you can replace it right on the field if things broke...you can add extra attachments. Don’t get me wrong, m9a3 is the best full size pistol but in next generation standard, it fall short in multiple check marks.

@@NamelessPassenger that's fair

@@NamelessPassenger I love beretta and I’m not a fan of sig. Your point here though is honestly very agreeable.

@@willa.568 you shouldn’t be fan of Sig...man, i only show an example of check marks army were asking for. That m17 is straight up losing to most today pistols...dunno did they fix the strikers that will fire in impact (drop). Still now, I scratched my head every time people mention m17 join in army. Wonder how many soldiers may got killed before even enter the battle if that sh1t going on. And as standard user, i suggest you should stick to high quality than go undercut like army did. And i gonna tell you, that full metal pistol will last through your whole life, unlike “polymer”...after all, plastic is plastic, it will break if you treat it brutally. That is why myself also not a fan of glock. But i have to agree one thing, that m17 modular trigger vs barrels are the only good things in that whole gun, hope beretta learn something from it. We all know, army standard is only “slightly better than trash”. So i doubt every choice they made. And for some reason beretta outstanding and proof they are special even in that trash. My friend told me “that is a diamond in a trash bin”. M9 in army also been cut more corners than you ever imagined, the material, the quality control, etc...look at the m9 my friend use during services vs the m92x performance he own now, it’s like night and day. And yet, m9 still reliable.

@@NamelessPassenger About the only thing the new SIG can do is go from full size to compact in the field. The Beretta comes apart simply with no tools just like most Browning style guns. Later M9s have rails for attaching stuff. Attaching optics is a bit of a problem on the M9 series but that wasn't part of the requirements for the XM17 trials and no M17 or M18 handguns come as standard issue with a red dot. Back in 2012/2013, nobody was making a slide mounted red dot. and to be fair, the US Army didn't even evaluate the M9A3 which did meet requirements, instead electing to proceed with their choice to hold trials. Truth be told, it kind of looks like the Army had its heart set on the Sig and that would be the choice regardless. Considering the high quality of the competitors, and this is just my guess, it looks like Sig had this one in the bag on both price and predetermination. So much that Ruger didn't even bother entering, CZ entered one and didn't bother with another for the next round and Glock wound up filing a protest.

I’ve got one in the Patriot brown version. Love it.

Definitely. Or even a MK 24 in 10mm

Mk23 45 socom is my dream pistol because of Rainbow Six

I just want a 10mm :(

Sadly HK doesnt design guns for the civilian market. I highly doubt any contract will ask for a 10mm pistol ever.

@@jacobs1230 true. Because we suck and H&K hates us.

To contrast with all of the open-bolt handguns out there. 😉

Or any of the guns that will fire without a round chambered. Is that a ghost gun?

@@michaelreed1380 "A magazine with 100 clips in it!"

You obviously haven't experienced ghost bullets

It's an old design. Newer handguns don't even need any ammo in the magazine.

Good old Grafenwoehr! 535 Engineer Co CSE Early 90s here!

I once saw an M9 shoot it's carrier, while being carried in the issue shoulder holster. A piece of camo net snagged the safety, disengaging it and partially pulling the pistol out of the holster. Another piece of the same camo net engaged the trigger, causing the pistol to fire into the carrier's side, causing serious injuries

​@@drewschumann1 One reason why I retrofitted the G-series decocker-only to my 92FS.

@@drewschumann1 could have happened with a grip safety as unlucky as he was

@@DC14352 Slide mounted safeties are hard to reach and are an accident waiting to happen

you mean to say that MAC is a daydreaming mammal!

I have had three 92's so far. I had a 92SB (Italian), a 92F (U.S.) and now I have a 92A3 (Italian). If you like the M9, check out the M9A3. They freaking nailed it! Thry brought an iconic platform into the current era. I run suppressed pistols and I have NEVER seen a barrel where you did not even have to remove the THREAD PROTECTOR to field strip. Everything about that gun is just dead on.

@@Ten_Mil_Will Agreed on the M9A3. I've had a 92F since the early 90's, but got bored with it since the grip was a hair big, the trigger was a hair heavy and it didn't quite shoot point of aim, so it mostly sits. I got interested in the M9A3 after catching a few reviews, including MAC's, so picked on up and think it's amazing. It fixed everything that was just a little off for me on the 92F.

@@stuartgorka989 Are you using the Hogue wrap arounds or the flat handle scales (for the "Vertec" profile)? I have the wrap around on mine but with it more closely replicated the original 92 feel. To me it seems like it is just a little fatter. I have been told to try the plastic wrap around grips but they're 80 bux. BTW what color you get? I got the Black and Grey and love it.

@@Ten_Mil_Will I'm using the flat handles...I originally didn't like the look of the vertec since I'm more of a purist, but it grew on me. I love the feel of it in my hands with that (I have medium sized hands). I got the FDE one. I think it's funny that the box says "SCAR FDE", I guess since it's also 73 shades of tan like a scar.

@@stuartgorka989 That is kinda funny, "SCAR FDE". I couldn't warm up to the flat panels. The pistol just felt a little nose heavy, to me, without the "hump" (and that was WITHOUT the suppressor). If you're not into them yet, check out a CZ P01. If you like Berettas, you will probably love CZ's (their metal framed hammer fired models).

I’d love to buy a firearm that doesn’t need ammunition to shoot...

@@The_SmorgMan a Energy using gun?

*laughs in open bolt*

He's explaining to people who are new to guns

you mean..... wow. my pistol is realy outdated, and its a h&k usp!! it cant fire unless there is a round in the chamber.... is that a problem??

I'm not that quite that tall but the Mark23 fits my hands rather well as I tend to dwarf most pistols

Maybe not 6'7" but Tim is a big guy and he's a veteran.

6'4" here, pistol is a good fit in my gorilla hands

Not a vet but 6'8. Glock 19's are too small lmao

I'm 5'3" and have tiny hands. No pistols fit me well. I don't have a Mk23, but other double stack 45s like the FNX and Glock don't fit me worse than anything else, so the size of a double stack 45 ends up not mattering for me either.

😂😂😂😂😂

Why are you so sentimental for an antiquated weapon? How is a gun that is prone to jamming and holds less than half the ammo of a double stack any good?

@@ccengineer5902 I can field that: when you have to use nonexpanding ammo, the .45 gives the impression of greater stopping power. Wether it does...that's debatable. Any decently serviced 1911 is not "prone to jamming". Remember that when it was phased out there were guns in inventory from clear back to WWI! The M9 is a good weapon, but the open too slide that lets dirt fall out, also lets it in...right on top of the exposed locking lugs. Most people can't fire the M9's DA 1st shot for beans, and the grip circumference is port to say the least. For anyone with less than gangley philangies, the 1911 is easier to shoot well.

@@ccengineer5902 I wouldn’t call a handgun that served the US military for over 100 years antiquated...

@@ccengineer5902 after shooting 1911s for half a century, I have never had one jam using reliable Ammo. When it was for score my 1911 went bang when my M16 went click. We’re are all these jams of which you speak?

@@captbart3185 the 1911 fails in any field test. In a dirty environment, the 1911 reliably and predictably fails, because of how the frame rail is designed. That's why no modern pistol shares that part of the 1911 design. M16 is also an old design that should be updated. No modern firearm uses a gas impingement design. It's remarkable how long Americans cling to their weapons despite the flaws they carry and despite there being much better alternatives available. Simply remarkable.

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i like the honesty, im proud of you too!

M9 is an awesome pistol only reason people hate it is because they get one that had a million rounds through it and was abused by a dozen other Soldiers or whoever. People don't realize how bad our military is at weapon maintenance

back in 92' we didn't qualify with a handgun in boot, at least in the Army. Would have been nice

The one time I actually did a pistol qual was with the M9 way back when.

I'd like a cheeseburger with no cheese, please. xD

Same with the german government/Bundeswehr.

@@nickcorsello8445 you asked for a hamburger

Like the FBI picking the trendy powerful 10mm caliber and then watering it down to the weakest 10mm load in existence, and then turning around and running it through a heavy duty S&W gun purpose-built for hot loads.

@@nickcorsello8445 my first job was in that field of hospitality, and those people DO exist.

You're exactly correct. The m9 filled the role. The 1911 is a good Jesus moses Browning gun. But in combat, you want more rounds in a magazine.

Rule 1 ask the end user if they need it . This weapon is the result of a defence spending increase leading to vanity projects getting the nod.

Bull shit, the 9 1911 is one of the best combat handguns to exist to this day.

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*Too. I think you meant. And "hollow points" aren't widely available in Geneva Convention abiding militaries. Although not unheard of. Key point. It's just my personal opinion. Based on experience and research.

That and Winchester screwed up a bunch of their cases, causing pressure to skyrocket. They were basically shooting a steady diet of proofing loads through them. Cracked frames on Sigs as well.

Yup that combined with the basically proof load 9mm they were feeding them caused things to muck up pretty badly.

Yeah. Small Arms Solutions and Gun Jesus talked about those. Lol..So..in a nut shell.... Small Arms in a nut shell: The government cheap out on parts and didn't care to maintenance the guns. Gun Jesus in a nut shell: The government switched the powder on the last minute without telling Beretta as the testing phase continued. Anyway..does all of these sounds familiar?..Hmmm..M16? Does that ring a bell?

@@SCH292 Yep, at least this time it was a sidearm and not the main infantry rifle the government mucked with.

@@Thorn19774 I knew there was something else, I forgot about the ammo!! :0)

Haha me too man

Meh, gimme a Glock over a boomer blaster any day. 17 shots of 9mm in a lighter package with better build quality, yes please.

@@slamshift6927 Tim never said every American should *carry* a 1911, just own one.

@@Retr0Whiskey The fuck is the point of owning it if you don't put it to practical use

@@slamshift6927 you ever heard of a collectors item?

Offensive because it is not a Glock.

@@stig1280 I´m Austrian, so every gun not a Glock or a Steyr is offensive to me ;)

@@sim.frischh9781 I love both of those Austrian brand's, although I wish Steyr would put a better front sight on their pistols?

"offensive pistol" means it triggers them. (them = anyone other than the operator of the weapon)

@@sim.frischh9781 No love for Walther? I can't quit my PPQ!

makes me laugh the idea that the beretta it's not reliable. Used and abused worldwide since "ever" we can say, i never ever hear complain about. Yup, it's heavy, that's true.

no one broke with ww silvertip only use < 5000 rounds

European subgun ammo.

I can tell you why the five round thing. It was five rounds out of a 50 round box. Easy math! That's it! That stupid! They did the same thing issuing ammo for the M3 grease guns. Five rounds for a submachine gun. Dumb.

I'm Flagg; military counter-intelligence! Nobody said the government had to make any sense. Except when we tell them to.

"They" have always worried soldiers would use too many bullets.

And usually these decisions are made by Pogues sitting safe back at HQ!

We had problems with the mags on the M9 as well. I could not get that thing to feed no matter how clean it was and it was traced to the mags. They were crap. I love the M9 but hated the mags they used when they were first introduced. Mac nailed it in the video.

This is the way

@@tdnavy1066 Weapons are part of my religion.

@@Militaryarmschannel now this is the way

@@tdnavy1066 this is the way

@@tdnavy1066 this is the way

The story is quite different. SEALs adopted the 92SB before the Army adopted the M9, and had two cases of slide breakages. One was trying loads he prepared for his SMG, the other had fired over 30.000 rounds with that gun. Beretta obviously replied that they should have used standards NATO spec ammos and replace parts according to the schedule (in the early '80, 30.000 was an incredibly hig count of rounds for any handgun. IE The XM9 program only requested a service life of 5000 rounds) but, at that point, the 92 fell out of the SEALs favour and they adopted the SIG P226. Ironically in the '80s the P226 was known for frame breakages (they had one even during the XM9 trials) and lately the SEALs experimented several, with operators suffering hand injuries.

@@neutronalchemist3241 Yeah, I've heard all that, too. But I'm curious about the very last thing you said. Are you saying they were re-evaluating the MK 25 _recently_ and experienced breakages?

@@f3uibeghardt522 They had breakages in the '80s, when SIG used welded frames.

@@neutronalchemist3241 Oh, okay. I knew about that, but it sounded like you were talking about a far more recent evaluation.

@@jlinms8721 People talk often about the weaknesses of the original P226 with its stamped slide and pinned-in breech block.

9mm vs 45acp

@@reallyhappenings5597 Correct 9mm is flat out better

No he actually didn’t, also .45acp is objectively ballistically superior.

@@Galahad_Du_Lac Ballistically superior? I mean, they both penetrate about the same distance, have leave similar wounds, and 9mm has higher pressures and muzzle velocity. I'd say they're more comparable, as opposed to one being objectively superior. Unless you have some big proof to backup your big claim?

7 rounds of 45ACP vs 13 rounds of 9mm. John Browning did have a valid point.

Boomer moment

@@beepbooboobopbooboobeep it really was good for its time though, not a boomer thing to appreciate it for what it is

@@michaelscotch3835 M9 fanboy over here. I still love the M1911 and I start drooling whenever I see a M45A1 MEUSOC Pistol!

In terms of capacity, weight, and complexity of operation, I'm afraid the 1911 is the worst anymore. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent platform and it was one of the best of its time, but it's obsolete compared to what's available today. Of all the handguns he reviewed in this video, the 1911 is the last one I'd choose to carry into battle.

I agree. The M9 is super easy to maintain, it’s accurate, and the only malfunctions I experienced were locking block cracks in guns that had thousands upon thousands upon thousands of rounds fired through them. I like it. I carried one in my three trips to Iraq and my one trip to Afghanistan. No issues with it.

Exactly: this gun was robustly tested to destruction, it does exactly what the military wanted it’s just what they wanted was stupid...

You are not dumb! You are weird like the rest of us! We all dream about this kind of stuff! Good luck my friend!

Cool idea. It’s a little zippy for a suppressor so it might not get as quiet as you want. Still pretty cool.

I want a Tokarev that shoots 10mm Auto.

Norinco makes P226 copy in 7,62x25 mm. Not a Tokarev, but still double stack with picatinny.

Double-stack Tokarev does exist Search "súng K14"

Good movie

@@tdnavy1066 except when the one character said something like " I'm staying. These are my people too". Dumb line.

@@TRUTHISABSOLUTE777 lol can't have it all

Those were in fact in real life canadian special forces not american SF so they would have been using sig sauer pistols

The cause wasn't just thou... It was over oil...

I own 2 lol

Long Live the 1911!

@@RageUnchained same here.

Ditto !! Still my favorite HG!!

1 hit from a 45 and you are down compared to 2 or 3 hits from a 9MM.

By ACU you mean UCP right?

@@rogermcbadlad2812 yes, I mean that. Whoever thought making a camo that blends in with nothing but grandmas couch is an idiot.

@@burnyburnoutze2nd lol, I agree. I heard it works okay on a rock quarry though. It looks sweet when people dye it darker shades of green or brown though.

Oof.

@@burnyburnoutze2nd The not-entirely-wrong concept was that future warfare would likely occur primarily in urbanized areas, which UCP does actually work reasonably well in, and that a camo that was optimized for urban and "ok" in every other terrain was the best choice.

Agreed, I loved mine in the Army (tanker) and I loved my 96 later, its accurate, reliable, and sexy to boot

I know a few SF that would annihilate this idiotic comment.

@@lucaschudleigh7193 Yeah, they are the experts in metallurgy and firearms design. Anecdotal stories are as valid as your arguments here! Sorry fool, the pistol WORKED and still does. No disrespect to SF guys, but appeal to authority is not a valid argument.

Yes cause we know Uncle Sam is not trying to waste our taxpayer dollars ha ha ha

Yea definitely, beretta m4 (over 2k) , beretta mrad (over 7k), all beretta 50cal versions (some over 10k) . All cheap military grade staff...

The opposite is true when you look at round count without stoppage, sand/dust, and arctic testing requirements, and US materials requirements. US Mil-Std/NATO requirements are a very high bar to reach for that most commercial market firearms manufacturers could never reach and keep their current business models/pricing schemes.

Government waste is much worse than you think.

Werner von Braun, architect of the Apollo Program: "Six million parts, all built by the lowest bidder".

2000.00??? Back in the 90s that pistol was just over 1000.00

@@jasondevereaux3369 not with the lam

@@sinisterwombat3128 ya...there was no "lame" back then. Is that a 700.00 part???

@@sinisterwombat3128 mark 23 socom...fat oversized usp 45 with a threaded barrel, this size of a desert eagle. Cool as shit for sure but...dudes video says it all

@@jasondevereaux3369 the Insight LAM was adopted with the gun in the very beginning.

@@tupops If you take apart the magazine spring, but sure to put it back in the same way. The top of the spring angles up. If you put it in the other way, it can cause jams. Other maintenance is the same as any other weapon.

In dry conditions but Panama wrecked havoc on them. ABN atw ABN everyday, 118 MP CO ABN 86-91

@@russellr.1896 Somalia was ok, but Haiti was the same as Panama. 21st, in 93 and 118th 94-96. ATW!

Cuz it's a hand sniper

@@bombomos awesomeness in a nice offensive package!

It's not too late yet

Agreed 👍 CZ75 eats up any ammo Easy to break down.

I have one not impressed no better than any other pistols I own

Imagine getting our pale hands on some of the .455 Webley models...

I feel bad for y'all over there in Europe

What sucks is if you know the right people you can get an illegal weapon for a couple of hundred pounds but we aren't allowed to own centerfire autoloaders or handguns.

@@philmcglen6194 well that really fucks the "saftey" the government has given you

I almost bought one .

Cause NATO don't do 45 cal.

They chose to forget.

Acquired a USP45 instead for that specific reason among others. Collateral being one of em 😆

And the USP is a great pistol also

Which I personally love the USP, those things were so badass in the 90’s. Still are but they were one of the only pistols coming with threaded barrels.

@@willy4018 one of the best pistols ever made...especially for suppressing...I’ve shot hundreds of different pistols and while the USP and its variants are larger, they are among the most accurate factory produced and among the most RELIABLE PISTOLS EVER MADE...JMHO 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Isn't it literally the other way round?

I'm about the same size as him and i've had people joke about that with my desert eagle lol

How is your comment a week old already?

@@Ufos4dahoes i think members get early access

Heavy is stupid

Someone had to refer Boris. Da!

In a gunfight the man with the heaviest gun has the advantage. Heavy = less recoil, more capacity, more powerful cartridge, and more accurate.

@@snek9353 I think your really stupid

@@popinmo "I think your really stupid" - YOU'RE funny.

Don’t expose Jeffrey Epstein’s death or else you will be melted

Most models of Colt revolver chambered in .38 Long Colt were produced and issued in the 1890's.

To my knowledge they weren’t shooting specials like we would today

@@danielgrant9213 and it was so bad that the army dug out the old 1873 peacemakers to ensure the guys they shot stayed down

Basically the USP Tactical is what, for all practical purposes, US SOCOM actually needed. You get most of what the Mark 23 offers, but while also being smaller, cheaper, simpler and you can have in .45ACP, .40SW and 9mm. Even so, I still want a Mark 23 even if it is diminish returns by some people. I don't think so, it's a gun that is stupidly reliable and can outlast you and probably your sons, altough the USP, since it was designed around the .40SW cartridge, it's ought be a pretty tough gun aswell.

Failure? It’s still one of the only handguns you can lock the slide and still fire it... aka a great suppressed platform

Contract specified a lightweight revolver for aircrew. Didn’t say anything about shooting them...

@@briansmithwins Uhh....I think you missed the point of providing the gun, but I'm being picky. :)

@@markh.6687 “making aircrews feel better” is a valid reason for equipping them with sidearms. That most of them won’t survive a situation where they need a sidearm is a different matter.

@@briansmithwins I THINK the Gov't. meant them for more than just moral support.....notice I hedged and said "THINK". Given the mess they created of the whole thing though....

Mac messed up by saying "Worst Handgun Adopted...", it should have been "Worst Adopted Handgun..." The former says the handgun is the worse, the latter says the adoption is the worse. So Mac is sort of craping on the gun despite him saying he isn't.

Least adopted for it's role?

Least best...feel better now!?

Out of curiosity do you carry it cocked and locked or without one in the chamber? Or cocked and no lock. Lol. I'm sure it's not the last one... I have never liked a 1911 because of the single action, well and failure to feed with hollow points. Don't get me wrong, beautiful cool guns. Just with so many higher capacity, smaller,more reliable pistols being invented in the last 110 years why do you still carry a 1911? I know a lot of people that carry them.

@@dougbrook6223 locked and cocked is the only way to carry a 1911 practice pulling the safety thumbed off and the trigger pulled in one motion . I've crawled in mud pulled and fired with no malfunctions and when a 45 hits you don't need 20 more rounds ! I trust it with my life and it has come through for me many times . no 9 mm plastic weapon for me....

You carried a 1911 up until 1993?? Wow, I carried one until I got out in 1982, didn't know they used them that long after. I remember they were going to start phasing in the Berettas shortly after I got out.

Since the 1911 left service in 1983, you obviously didn't carry it until 1993 unless you were SOCOM and even then it was rare.

@@mrg09211976 I Retired from the Army in 92

Fore sure! Seems alittle much doesn’t it?!?!

Some of the "some people" couldn't hit if the muzzle was touching the target!

Yeah, I couldn't do that with an AR-15, much less any handgun ...

The pistol needs to be capable to do that. It's in the contract.