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@OTG414
@OTG414 2 жыл бұрын
It’s also necessary to let the viewer know that Shilpa knows that Colin knows the color and that Colin knows that Shilpa knows the shape.
@tha_ma
@tha_ma 2 жыл бұрын
This comment needs more likes.
@lonewolfM16
@lonewolfM16 2 жыл бұрын
That is the "the setup of the game is common knowledge" part.
@gilliann.9579
@gilliann.9579 2 жыл бұрын
That is part of the setup, which is stated to be common knowledge
@MacLaw3084
@MacLaw3084 2 жыл бұрын
literally one of the first things mentioned
@samika4875
@samika4875 2 жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes yes
@joncleek5406
@joncleek5406 2 жыл бұрын
Alternate universe: Shilpa and Colin are NOT perfect logicians. The Host continues to ask "Do you know now?", continuing to get the same response of deafening silence for infinity.
@CrazyGaming-zh3qk
@CrazyGaming-zh3qk 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@williammeek4078
@williammeek4078 2 жыл бұрын
We call that universe “reality”
@austinbentley4604
@austinbentley4604 2 жыл бұрын
I managed to figure it out in my head in under a minute but if somebody was asking "do you know now?" I would literally not even be able to figure out the first elimination.
@williammeek4078
@williammeek4078 2 жыл бұрын
@@austinbentley4604 you would have to know the person you are with and know they think logically.
@igottajoe9294
@igottajoe9294 2 жыл бұрын
@@williammeek4078 hahaha imagine if only one of them was, third time : Yes! *Looks at the other who doesn't know*... Well nevermind...
@gtf5392
@gtf5392 Ай бұрын
Plot twist: - it was the yellow circle but Colin is deaf.
@espandrews
@espandrews Жыл бұрын
Colin knew it was under the yellow circle from the beginning, but remained silent trying to confuse Shilpa. Such a smart*ss Colin is!
@JasonMomos
@JasonMomos 2 жыл бұрын
Three logicians walked into a bar. The bartender asked, "Do y'all want beer?". None of them replied. When the bartender repeated the question, they said in unison, "Yes".
@shoopi1234
@shoopi1234 2 жыл бұрын
A beautiful simplification of the same riddle. Common knowledge and deduction.
@NevaehBeatez
@NevaehBeatez 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard this one before but phrased in the context of a joke
@socerdemon8
@socerdemon8 2 жыл бұрын
@@NevaehBeatezlooks like a joke to me
@MarkJaquith
@MarkJaquith 2 жыл бұрын
I tell the version where they’re asked “do any of you want beer?” and the first one says “I don’t know”, the second one says “I don’t know”, and then the third one says “no”. Sort of the reverse joke.
@sojournersunrise2290
@sojournersunrise2290 2 жыл бұрын
genius!!
@tccandler
@tccandler 2 жыл бұрын
I guessed red hexagon.
@TimTim-qj4wu
@TimTim-qj4wu 2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@f1reflam3
@f1reflam3 2 жыл бұрын
These shows always have their trick
@tykingcrystal864
@tykingcrystal864 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@tcbevolver
@tcbevolver 2 жыл бұрын
You will be contacted. Our agent will ask for directions on the street and show you a map with a red hexagon. You will reply "Three blocks west, and I recommend the fish chowder." Bring nothing, the training facility will supply all your needs.
@HQBergeron
@HQBergeron 2 жыл бұрын
Does “...the initial setup is common knowledge” mean that both Shilpa and Colin know that the other was told the value of the opposite characteristic of shape or color from what they themself were told? Or does the setup refer to the shapes and colors of the objects only? This is not explicitly mentioned and is crucial to the ability to solve the problem by Shilpa and Colin, and therefore to our ability to be sure whether the responses by them are given with certainty or not. If the meaning of the quoted phrase does not mean this, the problem as presented is incomplete because it requires us to assume each person knew what characteristic-though not the value-the other was told or even whether their counterpart was told anything. All we know that they know is that they knew what they themself were told privately. There is no mention of anything with which either-much less both-of them could have deduced what, if any, information the other was told, so this would require each of them to make an assumption about what the other did or did not know. Therefore the problem would be unsolvable with certainty by either of them and the information we are given regarding their responses cannot be assumed to be correct and without uncertainty, therefore the problem is unsolvable with certainty by us. So we can make an assumption and solve for the green triangle, or go with only the known information and conclude there is not enough information given to arrive at a solution with certainty. This is the complete solution to this problem as stated. Sloppy statements in a setup for a problem of logic lead to problematic solutions.
@mark91345
@mark91345 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad that I had time to study this over and over. I am surprised at how satisfying it feels, but I also realize that I could not have figured it out on my own (i.e. without the video's help). That sort of frustrates me, but it is what it is.
@spenserwilliams912
@spenserwilliams912 Жыл бұрын
The real test is actually solving it with another person and a host asking you the questions. Recognizing the logical solution is the beginning, conveying that to someone else is what matters. Source: definitely didn't get into Oxford, but I'm still trying really hard.
@sew.8359
@sew.8359 2 жыл бұрын
When you realize that the lack of knowledge is actually a piece of knowledge in itself.
@randymotter51
@randymotter51 2 жыл бұрын
This little tidbit here is not to be underestimated; as soon as I saw your comment before I had solved it, I knew I was looking at it wrong and was then able to figure it out pretty easily. Nice looking out.
@-_nicky_-
@-_nicky_- 2 жыл бұрын
Ridiculously underrated comment 👏🏻
@kavya914
@kavya914 2 жыл бұрын
Yess
@TheZofriax
@TheZofriax 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, elimination methods are always fun
@nelsoncheng2674
@nelsoncheng2674 2 жыл бұрын
That’s how military intelligence works, sweetheart.
@TheAllRounderMemes
@TheAllRounderMemes 2 жыл бұрын
I know it's not hard at all but I felt so happy getting it so quick
@omkarrane2871
@omkarrane2871 2 жыл бұрын
Us bro us
@mrinalsahai1862
@mrinalsahai1862 2 жыл бұрын
Sem
@ilickcatnip
@ilickcatnip 2 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@user-tt7wu2zh7h
@user-tt7wu2zh7h 2 жыл бұрын
Me 2
@jeffgr5472
@jeffgr5472 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-tt7wu2zh7h πάμε ρε Γιώργο
@QuantumEffectResidue
@QuantumEffectResidue Жыл бұрын
This is something that one has to really concentrate and think about the two people and what they were told and their responses! It's great.
@andyv2209
@andyv2209 10 күн бұрын
Not really its just process off elimination its not really hard
@redhawkneofeatherman261
@redhawkneofeatherman261 Жыл бұрын
2023 Computer Science A level students know what's up (it was a question in the exam)
@sam-psonsmith9951
@sam-psonsmith9951 3 ай бұрын
didn't seem like a hard question at all. depending on how much time you got. if you have all the time you need, a child can solve it. if you got 5 minutes most adults should be able to solve it.
@seastilton7912
@seastilton7912 2 жыл бұрын
Having taken a Cambridge admissions test this week, I can confidently say they’d never be this easy.
@JohnMarston1876
@JohnMarston1876 2 жыл бұрын
Ok good, also good luck
@seastilton7912
@seastilton7912 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnMarston1876 too late for that. F
@JohnMarston1876
@JohnMarston1876 2 жыл бұрын
@@seastilton7912 F 😐
@444fame_
@444fame_ 2 жыл бұрын
WHAT
@Moosa762
@Moosa762 2 жыл бұрын
What was the interview like
@justpaulo
@justpaulo 2 жыл бұрын
So the moral of the story is: - always ask mathematicians your question at least 3 times
@ThatAsianGuyExplains
@ThatAsianGuyExplains 2 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me some other channels where I can find these types of mathematical riddles 🥺
@justpaulo
@justpaulo 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAsianGuyExplains kzfaq.info/love/6jM0RFkr4eSkzT5Gx0HOAw
@larrybud
@larrybud 2 жыл бұрын
"Who does #2 work for???" -- Austin Powers.
@omkarsambare7174
@omkarsambare7174 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAsianGuyExplains kzfaq.info
@jessicawoen4803
@jessicawoen4803 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe this is the logic that Asian parents use to teach their kids math? 😂😂
@SunshineJoleen
@SunshineJoleen Жыл бұрын
I do not equate silence to "I don't know." I initially read silence as "I know, but don't want to give the answer away," which cost me a few moments before I managed to solve the puzzle.
@philflip1963
@philflip1963 26 күн бұрын
Close, but no cigar. Silence means neither yes or no in this context.
@logic_puzzles
@logic_puzzles Жыл бұрын
Great video! I love solving logic puzzles and this video definitely challenged me. The variety of puzzles kept it interesting and I appreciated the clear explanations of the solutions. Can't wait to try these out with my friends!
@destana1xx
@destana1xx 2 жыл бұрын
Me, a 21 year old who’s going to graduate *NOT* from Oxford University: Yes, I’ll definitely keep this in mind for my interview.
@stellarworld8477
@stellarworld8477 2 жыл бұрын
Good Luck !
@er5943
@er5943 2 жыл бұрын
How did it went?
@my3moodsinmyprofilpicture374
@my3moodsinmyprofilpicture374 2 жыл бұрын
Army
@unebellepatience1197
@unebellepatience1197 2 жыл бұрын
Literally me 😅 though i graduated July
@seastilton7912
@seastilton7912 2 жыл бұрын
@@stellarworld8477 Sarcasm
@quinn4762
@quinn4762 2 жыл бұрын
Figuring this out beforehand feels so validating, i realise that i finally grew some braincells🥺
@yusuff6680
@yusuff6680 2 жыл бұрын
hahah same
@smashass
@smashass 2 жыл бұрын
Fr i dunno how but i figured it out before the explanation
@BuddyCakes
@BuddyCakes 2 жыл бұрын
wait someone actually understood this fkin thing?
@gilliann.9579
@gilliann.9579 2 жыл бұрын
It feels good at first but I'm conflicted. On one hand, this is presented as a difficult problem. On the other hand, I found it very easy, and I don't know if that means I'm really smart, or I've fallen for the kind of trick used by fake online IQ tests where they ask an easy question and praise you for it.
@quinn4762
@quinn4762 2 жыл бұрын
@@gilliann.9579 you did not have to go that hard on an online test for funsies😭😭😭😭
@Crankhy
@Crankhy Жыл бұрын
I am surprised they would ask such an easy puzzle at Oxford, I expected something way more complex and/or difficult
@bobbyjoe5852
@bobbyjoe5852 Жыл бұрын
keep in mind this is only one "interview question" as stated by the channel, and you don't need to be a genius to get into Oxford anyway.
@abcdefghijklllllll
@abcdefghijklllllll Жыл бұрын
😔
@skg2485
@skg2485 Жыл бұрын
Always remember sometimes we can't slove easy question because of our overthinking .🙃🙂
@neilbohrs5990
@neilbohrs5990 Жыл бұрын
Questions are always easier when it's not asked under pressure.
@ShiraoriAteU
@ShiraoriAteU Жыл бұрын
Saem
@lennondoherty2704
@lennondoherty2704 Жыл бұрын
1. their initial silence confirms it is not the yellow circle or the blue square as these two objects are unique to the rest and if either of them were told square or yellow they would instantly know it is either or. 2.their silence on the second question confirms that Colin has not been told blue as the triangle is the only blue shape left and Shilpa has not been told circle as their is only one circle left. 3. this leaves the green triangle as the answer :) i didnt actually watch the video this is just my method of solving it so i dont know if it is similar to Presh's soultion.
@Fluffy-ys6rb
@Fluffy-ys6rb 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a joke: Three logicians walk into a bar. The barman says "would you all like a drink?", The first logician says "I don't know", the second says "I don't know", and the third says "yes".
@syupdengixx
@syupdengixx 2 жыл бұрын
please explain 😭
@thecookieeater
@thecookieeater 2 жыл бұрын
@@syupdengixx The first logician wants a drink, because if they didn't they would already know that not all of them wanted a drink. However, they can't be sure that the logicians after them also want a drink. The second logician wants a drink, because if they didn't they would already know that not all of them wanted a drink. However, they can't be sure that the logician next in line also wants a drink. The third logician knows that neither of the two before them has declined a drink, and knows that they themselves also wants a drink, so therefore all three must want a drink.
@ApacheMohawk
@ApacheMohawk 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who is currently studying for the LSAT, this joke both makes me laugh and bothers me 😂
@syupdengixx
@syupdengixx 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecookieeater oh ok!! thank you so much for taking your time to explain it
@ttclac
@ttclac 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know!
@ymac7245
@ymac7245 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a problem i could solve on my own before watching Presh' answer. I'm so proud of myself rn
@midfidelity7180
@midfidelity7180 2 жыл бұрын
this one is kinda easy tho.
@quarepercutisproximum9582
@quarepercutisproximum9582 2 жыл бұрын
good job!
@cristian-bull
@cristian-bull 2 жыл бұрын
@@midfidelity7180 :(
@sasukeuchiha1320
@sasukeuchiha1320 2 жыл бұрын
@@midfidelity7180 c'mon atleast they tried ...
@Frietoe
@Frietoe 2 жыл бұрын
Well pack up you’re going to Oxford!
@Unbrutal_Rawr
@Unbrutal_Rawr 7 ай бұрын
I went through the entire process in my head in about 10 seconds, while having tea and a Choco Pie, without even realising the logic of what I was doing. It was just: "OK, it clearly can't be these two". I only had to think about it at the last step, when the two triangles and a circle were left. And even then I only did it after arriving at the obviously correct answer during the initial 10 seconds, just to double-check myself and ask: "But why?". Funny thing is, even after double-checking myself I still couldn't lay out the entire logical chain. That's heuristical thinking/Kahneman's System 1 for you.
@oddities-whatnot
@oddities-whatnot Ай бұрын
Guess there is a relevance for us to know what you were slurping and chomping.
@Unbrutal_Rawr
@Unbrutal_Rawr Ай бұрын
@@oddities-whatnot The relevance is that System 1 is highly efficient and works in the background, so that you can be slurping tea and chomping on a Choco Pie while solving these kinds of problems, whereas you can't do that with System 2, because it's highly inefficient. But you'll have to use that system if you're looking for the logical chain answer. Or you could use a computer, which was made to be a much better System 2 than us humans ^_^
@qwang3118
@qwang3118 Жыл бұрын
Use the principle of uniqueness/certainty : First, 1 Yellow, 1 square. The silence (=uncertain, = non-unique) ruled out the yellow and the square. Next, 1 circle, 1 blue. The silence (= uncertain, = non-unique) ruled out the circle and the blue. So, only the green triangle left.
@tastyfood2020
@tastyfood2020 2 ай бұрын
My brain is flying can you explain me please 🥺 What is this ??????? What the want. My brain 🥲
@FS-lw6sq
@FS-lw6sq 2 жыл бұрын
Oxford's real life admissions question: "Would daddy be paying cash or credit card?"
@randomcentral0766
@randomcentral0766 2 жыл бұрын
💀
@commiesareevil3823
@commiesareevil3823 2 жыл бұрын
Truth
@Highland_Moo
@Highland_Moo 2 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@jaygold4467
@jaygold4467 2 жыл бұрын
That is clearly the more important question. Ha, ha.
@palipali4264
@palipali4264 2 жыл бұрын
All that matterzzz baybay!!
@nallyaaaaaa
@nallyaaaaaa 2 жыл бұрын
i love how everyone says 'this is so easy!!' and here i am just like 👁👄👁?
@bonecag3
@bonecag3 2 жыл бұрын
same, I don’t understand the explanation lmao
@Dark_Tesla
@Dark_Tesla 2 жыл бұрын
People lie
@222MovieMan
@222MovieMan 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dark_Tesla I belirve alot of people just know rational thinking more than others, it's one of those chanels and it would attract similiar minds.
@222MovieMan
@222MovieMan 2 жыл бұрын
@@bonecag3 assuming these people know that the girl focuses on the shape, and the girl knows the guy focuses on the color. Then they just sort them and know what color and shape to elimimate from both color and shape.
@Dark_Tesla
@Dark_Tesla 2 жыл бұрын
@@222MovieMan people love to stroke their egos too. This is the internet, I’ve seen what people do for a like.
@luisa_sews
@luisa_sews 8 ай бұрын
Interesting puzzle! I only recently studied the rational speech act which is about pragmatic communication, and I noticed almost instantly that the same reasoning applies here.
@human439
@human439 2 жыл бұрын
I got that one right away. I noticed there was only one pattern that could be repeated properly. At first I thought it would stand out, but then I realized that too many stood out, and I went with the only one that perfectly blended in
@diffdimgamerseven9986
@diffdimgamerseven9986 Жыл бұрын
illuminati:guess i am not so sneaky after all
@gatsbylight4766
@gatsbylight4766 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an accountant, so this was easy for me. MY 'EASY' ANSWER WAS: _"I don't have a freakin CLUE which object the prize is under... but _*_let's talk about the tax implications on the value of whatever the prize is, and I can tell you about the special pricing we're having for our tax prep services."_*
@scottgould6590
@scottgould6590 2 жыл бұрын
You spend way too much time in the office lol.
@nk47100
@nk47100 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@AavegShukla
@AavegShukla 2 жыл бұрын
Haha ROFL!!
@sahangbakneiguite6800
@sahangbakneiguite6800 2 жыл бұрын
666 likes
@edwardspencer9397
@edwardspencer9397 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know a green triangle was taxable.
@nickelodeann
@nickelodeann 2 жыл бұрын
It was much easier for me to mentally cross out which choices were impossible, rather than make a list of all possible choices.
@Sipu97
@Sipu97 2 жыл бұрын
Same! Very logical and easy.
@mohamadrezahesan881
@mohamadrezahesan881 2 жыл бұрын
figuring out is always easier and less time consuming than explaining the process to a mass of people.
@nickelodeann
@nickelodeann 2 жыл бұрын
@@mohamadrezahesan881 sure, but they explained a slightly different process
@MyNameJeff00
@MyNameJeff00 2 жыл бұрын
You wouldn't know the "impossible" choices without the whole information ;) something to tink on
@nickelodeann
@nickelodeann 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyNameJeff00 that’s not true at all. I paused the video and literally went “okay square is impossible, yellow is impossible” etc. until I got the answer
@kdog3908
@kdog3908 11 ай бұрын
I actually got stumped on a simple assumption; silence could mean anything.
@jay31415
@jay31415 25 күн бұрын
Honestly, it's a gap in how this this puzzle is written. I assumed it meant "No", but like you said, silence could mean they're still thinking or something, and probably throws a lot of people off.
@Dan55888
@Dan55888 2 жыл бұрын
It took me until he laid all of them out but then I could tell right away. The crucial step really is laying things out
@AllanDatGuy
@AllanDatGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Neat, wasn't sure how the silence played a part but once I heard that it was a part of eliminating possibilities I got it
@kaplooeygames8515
@kaplooeygames8515 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@andyrbush
@andyrbush 2 жыл бұрын
the silent is used to decide what it cannot be.
@eriottomakurashi
@eriottomakurashi 2 жыл бұрын
Same, the more you know i guess
@TheArtofFugue
@TheArtofFugue 2 жыл бұрын
Always pay attention to detail.
@cypherknot
@cypherknot 2 жыл бұрын
Not mentioning the elimination steps is a fault of the test. IMO. Remaining silent to me means they were just refusing to reveal what they knew.
@deutschamerikaner
@deutschamerikaner 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I managed to reason through it all on my own. That’s quite a satisfying feeling.
@ImFieldy
@ImFieldy 2 жыл бұрын
i solved it also and im certainly not overly smart. I did however assume (coz we were not told) that each knew the other had been given a different clue
@alphonseelric7361
@alphonseelric7361 2 жыл бұрын
Same here …solved on my own …yayy
@grant6763
@grant6763 2 жыл бұрын
@@ExplodingPiggy you good bro?
@vatsaltyagi4924
@vatsaltyagi4924 2 жыл бұрын
Me too....that feels good
@mrvegetables2934
@mrvegetables2934 2 жыл бұрын
@@ExplodingPiggy ironic
@barryispuzzled
@barryispuzzled Жыл бұрын
I solved this in my head in about one minute. But then I've written several books of logic puzzles so they're my speciality!
@priscillaagyemang2271
@priscillaagyemang2271 Жыл бұрын
For those who are stumped ur going off based on assumptions of how the two answers should overlap. U can cross out answers based on the information the two ppl are given, e.g the lone blue square and yellow circle stick out and you’re going to continue to weed out the choices until you get to a point where the choices can match up for both ppl asked the question.
@elpapuxDDReal
@elpapuxDDReal Жыл бұрын
It was common knowledge between both of them so it wasn't really an assumption
@glowdean9446
@glowdean9446 2 жыл бұрын
I went into this riddle thinking that Shilpa and Collin didnt know what the other knew. I had too rewatch this vid to read “The initial setup is common knowledge” I missed what that meant at first 🤦‍♀️
@jasonbarrett8655
@jasonbarrett8655 2 жыл бұрын
Or that "initial setup" includes the questions each was asked, which is more doubtful when they are 'asked quietly'. Janky - trying to hide the premise.
@cctomcat321
@cctomcat321 2 жыл бұрын
The initial setup is the 5 colored shapes you see on screen and the fact that one knows color while the other knows shape. Each "silence" is a "no", eliminating two places it could be under for both people. Like, say it were yellow, then one who knows what color would've immediately said yes the first time, and the only single color on the board was yellow. Since they both stayed silent, it was eliminated as a possibility. Same goes for the square being a one of a kind shape.
@mariolanz4187
@mariolanz4187 2 жыл бұрын
But since the circle shape object can easily fit under the square this is not a logical puzzle..
@cctomcat321
@cctomcat321 2 жыл бұрын
@@mariolanz4187 ...what does that have to do with anything? The puzzle'w answer is contingent on shape, color, and the same question being asked thrice, not what shape can be hidden under another. The shapes and colors are just the setup, the logic portion is in the question.
@Supergirl9909
@Supergirl9909 2 жыл бұрын
same, i thought the initial setup meant the order he set them uo
@SpiritmanProductions
@SpiritmanProductions 2 жыл бұрын
Love this kind of pure logical reasoning.
@funnyduck4568
@funnyduck4568 2 жыл бұрын
This way too easy though for a real admissions test though
@michaelmcgregor7374
@michaelmcgregor7374 2 жыл бұрын
Logical(?) reasoning???? totally assinine!!!
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 2 жыл бұрын
I'd give you a like, but I don't want to disturb the count.
@SpiritmanProductions
@SpiritmanProductions 2 жыл бұрын
@@jimsvideos7201 Lol. It's gone up now, though, so you can if you want. 👍
@ijustdocomments6777
@ijustdocomments6777 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmcgregor7374 "asinine", and this problem was broken down in much the same way a computer program would need to be written to solve it, so yes, "logical".
@jackx7382
@jackx7382 Жыл бұрын
I was so thrown by the silence - as if that’s a reasonable response to a professor’s question. At least they could say “not yet” if “no” is not appropriate for some reason.
@aliensconfirmed3498
@aliensconfirmed3498 2 ай бұрын
Neither no nor not yet is appropriate answer because in the given moment they don't know if the other person knows or not, so they don't have definite answer and hence, can only stay silent.
@pepitocovid-91
@pepitocovid-91 Жыл бұрын
After watching a couple of your videos, this was a really easy puzzle! I literally solved it in a few seconds lol
@ar-yack9526
@ar-yack9526 2 жыл бұрын
I get the logic.. But the yellow circle was still my favorite, and I feel it should have gotten the prize
@patriciacox8169
@patriciacox8169 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@tarun2298
@tarun2298 2 жыл бұрын
yellow curcle was robbed ;(
@vermeercortex2094
@vermeercortex2094 2 жыл бұрын
Green triangle made me feel offended therefore i insist that it is the wrong answer
@InsideOfMyOwnMind
@InsideOfMyOwnMind 2 жыл бұрын
We'll give you a participation trophy.
@thebigpicture2032
@thebigpicture2032 2 жыл бұрын
Yellow circle was the red herring.
@MadMunky20k
@MadMunky20k 2 жыл бұрын
This test becomes a lot easier when you realize the two of them are gathering information from the other's responses😅
@androidunit56
@androidunit56 2 жыл бұрын
That’s the whole point of including the fact that they were silent.
@subhajit1128
@subhajit1128 2 жыл бұрын
jus wait a minute, how does shilpa knows, that which one is yellow, she hadn't been told the colors? (after the 2nd question)
@MadMunky20k
@MadMunky20k 2 жыл бұрын
@@subhajit1128 Colin knows the color. Shilpa can deduce that the color is not yellow from Colin's silence during the first instance of "Do you know," because if Colin WAS told yellow he'd immediately have an answer.
@valentinap2432
@valentinap2432 2 жыл бұрын
@@subhajit1128 Exactly! The initial conditions are totally confusing. I got it that one only knows the shapes and the other one - only colors. But no, they know both. It's only the shape or the color of "the object" what was told privately. And this "object" is actually "the prize". I don't know, maybe it's me not being native English speaker, but from my point the conditions are formulated ridiculously unclear.
@MadMunky20k
@MadMunky20k 2 жыл бұрын
@@valentinap2432 Shilpa is told the shape, Conor is told the color, and they deduce information about what the other person was told based on their respective responses to a third party asking "Do you know where the thing is?"
@laceratinglight
@laceratinglight 3 ай бұрын
What a cool puzzle! Really gives your brain something to chew on and makes you focus almost 100% in order to deduce the right answer
@murrayburke7746
@murrayburke7746 Жыл бұрын
The fallacy of this contrived scenario is that silence is neither a denial nor a confirmation. It is a non-response. The presumption that silence has a consistent and shared meaning is outside of the bounds of logic. It is more of a canard than a puzzle.
@philflip1963
@philflip1963 26 күн бұрын
Well done, I agree, most of the commentors to this post are idiots!
@chimmychanga2636
@chimmychanga2636 2 жыл бұрын
me: "Damn I found the right answer" me: "Mom I'm going to Oxford!" also me: *keeps pulling a door which says push 😆
@davidulsalla6002
@davidulsalla6002 2 жыл бұрын
😁😁😁
@sorenstamify
@sorenstamify 2 жыл бұрын
?
@RobertoDeMundo
@RobertoDeMundo 2 жыл бұрын
@@sorenstamify What's confusing you?
@ForOrAgainstUs
@ForOrAgainstUs 2 жыл бұрын
I, too, attended Midvale School for the Gifted.
@saltysergeant4284
@saltysergeant4284 2 жыл бұрын
You: should delete the first two sentences to make your comment true.
@lukeparish4925
@lukeparish4925 2 жыл бұрын
getting this in my head is one of the proudest achievements in my life
@yuhyuh1471
@yuhyuh1471 2 жыл бұрын
Same lol
@indebtfolife
@indebtfolife 2 жыл бұрын
I came to the correct answer but not the same way, after the first silence I knew it couldn't be the square or yellow but I didn't remove them, then I ask what other colors would give more options my figuring blue triangle and the green circle, being that triangle & blue were already represented and circle & green were already represented then actually removed them from contemplation. This left me with three unique shapes w unique colors two which I were TOO unique to be correct as color(yellow) and shape(square), leaving me with the only option of Green Triangle. Hope this was interesting and not a total waste of your time 🙂.
@phant0mshad0w56
@phant0mshad0w56 2 жыл бұрын
@@indebtfolife same
@MuseOSRS
@MuseOSRS 2 жыл бұрын
It's not hard
@Lola-vd5xl
@Lola-vd5xl 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, is this really an oxford admission puzzle? It seemed surprisingly easy. :/
@hankmax8899
@hankmax8899 5 ай бұрын
Wow. I just finished watching TED Ed riddles, and this is child's play. I got it before he even finished reading the question. At the end of the second clue, it was obviously under the green triangle. I know, without watching the rest of the video or finding the answer in any other way, because when neither say anything in the first round, you can eliminate the blue square and the yellow circle. Then, when no one says anything, you can eliminate the blue triangle and green circle. That leaves you with just the green triangle.
@vissermarco3516
@vissermarco3516 Жыл бұрын
Mandatory condition: both have to answer at the same time. Else, Colin knows with the second asking where the prize is. Since Shilpa is silent, he knows it cannot be the green circle. His options left are two triangles and since he knows the color he can say yes. Brenda will never know being stuck with two choices…
@CramcrumBrewbringer
@CramcrumBrewbringer 7 ай бұрын
Not true, on the second ask, Colin or Shilpa alone could have known the answer independently. Of course after saying the knew the answer, the other would then also know.
@wilsonm.d6923
@wilsonm.d6923 2 жыл бұрын
This would have made more sense to me, if instead of remaining silent after the first two rounds they said "not yet". Because I didn't interpret the silence as a no.
@commandercaptain4664
@commandercaptain4664 2 жыл бұрын
Silence is complicity... to admitting that Oxford is bollocks.
@thelazy0ne
@thelazy0ne 2 жыл бұрын
I assumed the silence was just a third state in a three state situation Yes/No/I don't know.
@sean-mo9gf
@sean-mo9gf 2 жыл бұрын
@@thelazy0ne but in the situation “no” and “I don’t know” are the same right?
@NFSHeld
@NFSHeld 2 жыл бұрын
@@sean-mo9gf No, they are not, assuming you would give one answer and lock that in. Imagine one of them WOULD'VE known first round (i. e. Colin was told "yellow" or Shilpa was told "square"). Shilpa cannot answer "no" until she knows Colin's answer. Because if Colin's answer is "Yes", then she can deduce that color alone can identify the object, so she knows it's the yellow circle as well. So her definitive answer depends on Colin's answer - if it is "yes", then her answer is "yes" as well. If his answer is "no", then her answer is "no" as well. Colin has the same problem - he doesn't know either what answer to lock in for this round, until he knows if Shilpa says Yes or No. So both their answers are dependent on the other person to answer first. This is a deadlock, and both cannot answer first. This of course only makes sense if you can only say "yes" or "no", and your first answer is also immediately considered your final answer for this round and has to be correct to win the prize.
@sherbershlemel6937
@sherbershlemel6937 2 жыл бұрын
i thought they were silent because they didn't want to reveal the answer to the other person
@elianabriceno3586
@elianabriceno3586 2 жыл бұрын
oxford interviewers: **ask this question** me: **walks out of the room** frick I'm going to community college
@ScorpionRegent
@ScorpionRegent 2 жыл бұрын
I went to community college and having gotten the answer right I now want to apply to transfer to Oxford.
@LoneTiger
@LoneTiger 2 жыл бұрын
+Looks at interviewer+: _"Dude, I'm going to law school, we deal with firm tangible evidence that we must explain to people who in some instances can't read or write."_ 🙄
@masterplayer5982
@masterplayer5982 Жыл бұрын
After reading the comments I think it’s appropriate to leave this here. The only way they both would know, after the host asks the third time, is if they both knew the other had known the missing piece of information. All the necessary clues have been given. “Colin/Shape have been privately told” just tells us they were told the adjective of the prize. This does not mean that the other person would not know what kind of info the first person was given
@r.i.p.volodya
@r.i.p.volodya Жыл бұрын
The problem I have with this as presented is that "silence" is not defined. It could mean anything. The speaker ASSUMES "silence" to mean "no".
@johnrosario4280
@johnrosario4280 2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, when it was said that “the initial setup is common knowledge,” that kinda just flew over my head. Had I known that this actually meant that Shilpa was told that Colin knew the color, and Colin was told that Shilpa knew the shape, I probably would’ve been able to deduce the answer better. It wasn’t until I watched through the second step of the solution that I realized they both knew that they had a different piece of information. This would’ve made solving it so much easier.
@k1l1br1
@k1l1br1 2 жыл бұрын
I also misunderstood that phrase. I thought it was meant to clarify that common knowledge dictates the names of the shapes and colors in the puzzle. I just assumed, they have to know about each other's knowledge for the puzzle to make sense :D
@BenBike
@BenBike 2 жыл бұрын
Haha I thought he meant that Shilpa only knew the shapes and Colin only knew the colors.
@GabrielTobing
@GabrielTobing 2 жыл бұрын
Same XD
@KyrstOak
@KyrstOak 2 жыл бұрын
I thought he meant the initial set-up of the question is common knowledge.
@iloveplumpgrannies174
@iloveplumpgrannies174 2 жыл бұрын
@@BenBike Same. In my head. How can they know where the prize is if the other only knows the color but not the shape while the other person know the shape but not the color. There are 2 pairs if identical colors and 1 unique color. Same with the shape, 2 identical pairs of shapes and 1 unique shape.
@nikiTricoteuse
@nikiTricoteuse 2 жыл бұрын
That was really interesting. I've never been able to understand that sort of logic puzzle as my mind just goes blank. It was great hearing the explanation as it actually made sense and gives me hope that one day I'll actually be able to work one out.
@sally8708
@sally8708 2 жыл бұрын
I like to think of these kinds of puzzles as exercising a different brain ‘muscle’ than we’re used to using. If you think of it like that, it’s easy to understand that ‘mind going blank’ response. If you put me in front of a set of dumbbells, I would stand there like “uhhhhhh….” and probably just leave. I completely get it. I totally believe in you!!!! 💜 Work those logic muscles and show yourself how awesome you are!!
@nikiTricoteuse
@nikiTricoteuse 2 жыл бұрын
@@TBadalov Seriously did you just say that because l don't understand logic puzzles l lack empathy? Go find a mirror bro.
@nikiTricoteuse
@nikiTricoteuse 2 жыл бұрын
@@sally8708 Thanks Sally. I shall replay your words of encouragement in my head from now on whenever l see a similar puzzle. It's not very objective, l know, but I normally consider myself quite intelligent. Lol. These sorts of puzzles have defeated and frustrated me all my life. I think that's why l enjoyed the explanation so much 'cos for the first time ever l could see some sort of logical process.
@DiogenesNephew
@DiogenesNephew 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikiTricoteuse Eh he's probably not wrong. It stands to reason that a person who is more likely to put themselves in the shoes of the people described in the problem (i.e. someone exercising empathy) is more likely to solve the problem.
@TBadalov
@TBadalov 2 жыл бұрын
@@DiogenesNephew, yep but the defense mechanism will not allow to accept the truth and think reasonably. Some problems in life are solved naturally when got the right attitude
@tontonbeber4555
@tontonbeber4555 Жыл бұрын
What's amazing is that I chose the green triangle without reading the question ... just because being different to others is not unique, but green triangle is the only one to be most related to the others.
@Wolfpack_edits
@Wolfpack_edits 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know how like my brain knew the second step but couldn’t form it into words and the third step but I figured it out before you gave the instructions
@IntuitiveGanesh
@IntuitiveGanesh 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so amazed at both Shilpa and Colin who, in total silence, managed to use a process of deduction without communicating with one another. I bow to them both.
@trenee23000
@trenee23000 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!!!
@sdy.deathcall9608
@sdy.deathcall9608 2 жыл бұрын
The process of elimination. It's not that hard. based on the reaction of the other person it becomes easier and easier to eliminate
@sykeassai
@sykeassai 2 жыл бұрын
well think of it like this, they are told that each other has another piece of information. which means they can start ruling out the likelihood that the other person would have been given a clue that was basically a direct answer. So then start by eliminating what is not a direct answer. i.e. yellow and square. this leaves green triangle as the only thing remaining with a pair for both color and shape.
@b.f.2461
@b.f.2461 2 жыл бұрын
But they never said they did NOT know the answer. They chose not to answer either way.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 2 жыл бұрын
"process of deduction without communicating with one another." Oh, but they DID communicate!
@pedroyuuhi1677
@pedroyuuhi1677 2 жыл бұрын
This was a simple one, but really fun! It almost sounds like those ones in the Professor Layton series
@Joe-pj6ds
@Joe-pj6ds 2 жыл бұрын
I heavily recommend anyone who enjoys these videos to get those games - they're quality
@ThatAsianGuyExplains
@ThatAsianGuyExplains 2 жыл бұрын
Can someone tell me some other channels where I can find these types of mathematical riddles 🥺
@rafaelliman8167
@rafaelliman8167 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THOSE GAMES.
@akibahmed1956
@akibahmed1956 2 жыл бұрын
Whoa, I solved it while the question was narrated. Really like this type of puzzles
@TheOdontocetes
@TheOdontocetes 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAsianGuyExplains Look up TED-Ed Riddles :)
@cosimo7770
@cosimo7770 Жыл бұрын
The Host assumes (and we are meant to assume) that "silence" means that Shilpa & Colin do not know the answer at the moment of questioning. But this assumption is unfounded: S & C could remain silent even if they knew the answer at the moment of questioning. Thus the question is insufficiently formulated for logic to be applied to it.
@luisfilipe2023
@luisfilipe2023 28 күн бұрын
This was shockingly easy I doubt any university much less Oxford used it in an interview
@_Some_Guy_
@_Some_Guy_ 2 жыл бұрын
This one is fairly intuitive. When they're both silent after the first question. we know it's not yellow or a square. and when they're both silent after the second question, we know that another iteration is required. and since the green triangle is 2 iterations from both the yellow object and the square object then that must be the answer
@odar9729
@odar9729 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@rich667
@rich667 2 жыл бұрын
@@odar9729 yeh pretty straight forward...
@knayvik
@knayvik 2 жыл бұрын
ikr can i go to oxford now or what
@Superdada
@Superdada 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! That’s exactly what I thought as well.
@colinderue8095
@colinderue8095 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. the video JUST TOLD YOU that. Why are you just repeating the logic?
@kirayoshikage1491
@kirayoshikage1491 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a simple problem as long as you understand what it’s asking of you. I misunderstood the setup, thinking that Colin only knew the colors and shilpa only knew the shapes, but they in fact both knew the colors and shapes of all five, but each was told info on what the prize was.
@Music.Is.Love..
@Music.Is.Love.. 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah same thing was for me also.
@dayannaalvarez3830
@dayannaalvarez3830 2 жыл бұрын
I made the same translation mistake 😂
@morninglift1253
@morninglift1253 2 жыл бұрын
I think you guys misunderstand the problem. The problem isn't simple at all. Colin did only know the correct color and Shilpa only knew the correct shape. It doesn't make sense to say that Colin knew the colors of all objects. I can also tell you that it's extremely hard to do this in your head for anyone because of how our brain works. Our brain can only handle 3-4 short-term facts at once. And, given that there are so many different pieces of information here, it's really hard to figure this problem out instantaneously. You'll need at least several minutes to think it over and over again until the short-term details become strengthened into long-term memory.
@morninglift1253
@morninglift1253 2 жыл бұрын
@pearlwhite21 The object is indeed under one of the weird containers. (Or, you can think of it like this.)
@kirayoshikage1491
@kirayoshikage1491 2 жыл бұрын
@@morninglift1253 no, they both know the shape and color of all of the objects, one just knows the color of the prize while the other knows the shape. It’s impossible to solve otherwise, since neither person would be able to rule anything out
@gramcrakinheads6379
@gramcrakinheads6379 Жыл бұрын
Got it without pausing and before the timer started. I feel like a genius
@sophrapsune
@sophrapsune 2 ай бұрын
Much hangs on the interpretation of “Silence”. Silence is not that same as “No”, it is a refusal to answer a question and leaves the other parties without any further information. An unambiguous “No” actually gives the information required to solve the puzzle.
@JessicaTheEngineer
@JessicaTheEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
This is how I always win at Clue. I make a huge grid and every single guess someone else makes I record and work backwards!!
@buffordbutters6284
@buffordbutters6284 2 жыл бұрын
The trick to wining at clue is to ask yes or no questions with OR conditions -- does the person have glasses OR is bald? If no, you can eliminate more. If yes, you can eliminate more.
@averywallace6677
@averywallace6677 2 жыл бұрын
@@buffordbutters6284 that's not clue that's guess who. . .
@cadewynnttv1627
@cadewynnttv1627 2 жыл бұрын
Ive tried this but I always get beat out by someone willing to make wild guesses rather than waiting till they've actually solved the logic puzzle
@buffordbutters6284
@buffordbutters6284 2 жыл бұрын
@@averywallace6677 Oh yeah, brain fart! 🤣
@Illianor123
@Illianor123 2 жыл бұрын
I ask cluedo questions with cards I have just to mess with others trying to glean information from my questions.
@LordEmpyreal
@LordEmpyreal 2 жыл бұрын
I love solving these kinds of logic puzzles. And am a little bit proud of myself for pausing, thinking it through, and getting it right.
@Sahshgd
@Sahshgd 2 жыл бұрын
Try thinking with portals:)
@spiritualsnail1584
@spiritualsnail1584 2 жыл бұрын
Same. Once you get it you realize it's quite simple and it follows the same mechanic three times. It was fun to imagine Shilpa and Colin intensely staring at each other while making deductions lol
@youssefrahou7990
@youssefrahou7990 2 жыл бұрын
Fr i feel so smart as someone who’s actually still in middle school but still could solve a freakin “oxford puzzle” like bish what does this meann
@YunaMiha
@YunaMiha 2 жыл бұрын
@@youssefrahou7990 I know exactly what you mean xD
@bobbyy2495
@bobbyy2495 2 жыл бұрын
@@youssefrahou7990 means you are listening in school keep up the good work and become somebody someday or do whatever you want
@tedlakomy950
@tedlakomy950 7 ай бұрын
Did it in less than 90 seconds mentally in essentially the same way.
@JohnSmith-hq6fl
@JohnSmith-hq6fl Жыл бұрын
Ive seen variations of this, basically reasoning about what the other person knows and knowing that they, being a perfect logician, can infer what you know as well.
@mackntosh6212
@mackntosh6212 2 жыл бұрын
You should really clarify that they both are told what information the other has. Otherwise, to solve this you need to make the assumption that Shilpa has been informed that Colin knows the shape, and that Colin has been informed that Shilpa knows the colour (you state that they have been privately told, which could easily mean that they haven't been told what the other knows)
@5eater551
@5eater551 2 жыл бұрын
It says at the beginning that the initial setup is common knowledge.
@wolfsurvival2009
@wolfsurvival2009 2 жыл бұрын
@@Headless_Hessian Yes, I agree with your comment and the first comment in this thread. 'Common knowledge' was super vague to me in this context.
@AndyMorrisArt
@AndyMorrisArt 2 жыл бұрын
@@Headless_Hessian initial setup is the whole setup in this instance, there is no additional setup beyond the initial setup... in fact it was redundant to refer to the setup as the initial setup. "And the setup is common knowledge." is how they should've said it.
@myouniverse0613
@myouniverse0613 2 жыл бұрын
It was pretty said pretty clearly, but ig the term initial setup did leave room for confusion.
@NetheriteMiner
@NetheriteMiner 2 жыл бұрын
@@5eater551 That's also ambiguous: intitial setup could mean the colors and shapes available
@ryo-kai8587
@ryo-kai8587 2 жыл бұрын
Happy to say I did figure it out, and it does definitely take a certain kind of thinking. The kind that actually feels good and like a small revelation when you finally know for sure. Nice puzzle!
@set_app
@set_app 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t relate more. Definitely feels like a superpower and super fun to train your brain!
@Blackmystix
@Blackmystix 2 жыл бұрын
Dude I did it too! Rather rapidly I might add. But I've done similar withheld info logic puzzles before
@quilfrey1139
@quilfrey1139 2 жыл бұрын
Did it relatively easily, 5 minutes. Just had to think of "what do they figure out from each other every time?". Pretty darn cool puzzle.
@DavrK
@DavrK 2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was extremely easy, wasn't it?
@quilfrey1139
@quilfrey1139 2 жыл бұрын
@4Runner telling someone what they thought is a lie doesn't make logical sense. It was easy for him, he is asking others if it was easy. That is a subjective statement, there is no possibility for it to be a lie for that singular person because it is based on his/her point of view.
@markh7484
@markh7484 Ай бұрын
After a crappy few days at work, it pleased me greatly that solved this in my head in around 60 seconds. "This problem is adapted from an Oxford University admissions question. They say if you can solve this in your head, you are a genius ;)"
@user-qx3nx6wj2e
@user-qx3nx6wj2e Жыл бұрын
I got it right before the final answer while using a different method. I figured that if a symbol with a unic (no repeat) shape or color, wouldn’t be the answer, as they would’ve already figured it out. So I first eliminated yellow circle (only yellow symbol) and blue square (only square symbol). After that, eliminating those two would leave two unic symbols. So I eliminated the green circle (became the only circle) and the blue triangle (became the only blue symbol). And like that you are left with green triangle :). I felt this was a little quicker and easy
@smokeywilly4364
@smokeywilly4364 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the fact that Shilpa and Colin can both hear/see each other, that is a HUGE determining factor when they base their next answer off of the others response.
@junenovae
@junenovae 2 жыл бұрын
and that they both know that Shilpa knows the shape and Colin the color.
@jeanlundi2141
@jeanlundi2141 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I was figuring out it couldn't be the yellow cirlcle or the square, otherwise on the first try either of them would have found the object. But I assumed they were figuring out the problem together by talking.
@xhan1167
@xhan1167 2 жыл бұрын
How else is this supposed to work? Magic? Obviously they have to be able to observe each others reactions, otherwise the "Yes" at the third stage wouldn't make any sense.
@Loveistheirwholehapp
@Loveistheirwholehapp 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for admitting that you got it wrong
@sedricksly1263
@sedricksly1263 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I thought they were both told privately. Knowing that it's pretty simple.
@celts3760
@celts3760 2 жыл бұрын
I was able to get this puzzle correct on the first try; however, this puzzle makes the assumption that Shilpa was told that they told Colin color, and Colin was told that they told Shilpa shape. If one didn't know what the other was told, this puzzle would not be solvable.
@12mountain
@12mountain 2 жыл бұрын
The video says “Shilpa knows the shape” and “Colin knows the color”, then says “the initial setup is common knowledge.” So yes, it would not work if they didn’t know that-but the puzzle states at the outset that they did.
@celts3760
@celts3760 2 жыл бұрын
@@12mountain 0:16 They were both privately told, so there would be no way one would know that the other was told, and the puzzle states that.
@notanetdeck5264
@notanetdeck5264 2 жыл бұрын
@@celts3760 The wording is vague, but Bart is correct: it’s common knowledge that Shilpa knows the shape and Colin knows the color. The information that was communicated privately is *exactly which* shape Shilpa was told and *exactly which* color Colin was told.
@celts3760
@celts3760 2 жыл бұрын
@@notanetdeck5264 "Shilpa and Colin are mathematicians who use perfect logical reasoning, and the initial setup is common knowledge." For a "given" to be valid in perfect logical reasoning, it has has to be explicit and clear; not some vague implicit assumption. No where in the video do they explicitly state that Colin knows that Shilpa was told shape and Shilpa knows that Colin was told color. The initial setup could be nothing more than them knowing the shapes and colors used. That alone is not enough for people who use "perfect logical reasoning" to know that the other was told. If you can, provide a time stamp where it is explicitly stated that one knows that the other was told, but I couldn't find one!
@spacebar9733
@spacebar9733 2 жыл бұрын
@@notanetdeck5264 oh, i thought initial setup meant the setup of the shapes
@Kyanzes
@Kyanzes Жыл бұрын
One of the few I managed to figure out. I'll take it as a consolation price. Cool video, thanks!
@toosmelly
@toosmelly 7 ай бұрын
I solved it almost instantly, with questionable reasoning: green triangle, because its the only shape that shares categories with 2 other shapes.
@Yui714
@Yui714 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to get my Oxford admission in the mail because I did this easy puzzle. I knew that my Mom doing my homework throughout high-school would make me very smart!
@fluffythedummy
@fluffythedummy 2 жыл бұрын
i am dead 💀
@PM-ef8fp
@PM-ef8fp 2 жыл бұрын
Lol 😂
@frustratedguy4417
@frustratedguy4417 2 жыл бұрын
Haha same
@ophalox8406
@ophalox8406 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be
@furikenneth14
@furikenneth14 2 жыл бұрын
@@ophalox8406 That’s what she said!
@TheChrisey
@TheChrisey 2 жыл бұрын
The puzzle itself was pretty simple, but the "Do you know now" control part of it was rather ambiguous. If they were both equally fast at processing the logic, that part would be redundant. If they were not, there would be no way for them to know if the other's silence is an indication of choice or simply the fact that they didn't finish the "stage" yet, which is what the explanation and the question itself assumes. Maybe if the puzzle added something like "They were both given 10 seconds before I ask for an answer... and so on" would make it more clear. I hope they're not seriously using this to filter out applicants.
@LukeSumIpsePatremTe
@LukeSumIpsePatremTe 2 жыл бұрын
It was implied. Could have been explicit, though!
@TheChrisey
@TheChrisey 2 жыл бұрын
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe Various implications would make it ambiguous
@deenad3562
@deenad3562 2 жыл бұрын
Yeh, unnecessarily confusing setup for sure.
@sleepcrime
@sleepcrime 2 жыл бұрын
I mean instead of staying silent they could just have responded "no" which indicates they're finished accessing and have decided that they don't know. The problem is that the first to answer gives the second more information so instead, they remain silent and we're asked to assume if they needed more time they would have said so lol
@liurabaum8746
@liurabaum8746 2 жыл бұрын
I was not even thinking about that part and I still solved it. I think is moré like a guide on how many discard steps there was(???
@arvydussibonus1712
@arvydussibonus1712 Жыл бұрын
This puzzle reminds me of when my wife asks if I know what she wants for her birthday. The difference is, I’m never right.
@polychad
@polychad Ай бұрын
1. It can't be the yellow circle or blue square as they're unique. 2. They're still undecided so it's ambiguous - so not green circle and not blue triangle, as the other blue shape was already discarded, as was the other circle. 3. This leaves the green triangle.
@Foxtrot6624
@Foxtrot6624 2 жыл бұрын
I am absolutely not a genius but still solved it in my head immediately. It's not difficult logic to follow at all
@no-ot3uu
@no-ot3uu 2 жыл бұрын
Now assume that they don't know each other's answers.
@rl8925
@rl8925 2 жыл бұрын
To Oxford you go!
@Svengrustaben
@Svengrustaben 2 жыл бұрын
Lies
@222MovieMan
@222MovieMan 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't pause the video to try to solve it, but after I watched the video I don't think I would've got it anyways. But I need to watch more videosof this guy so I can learn this kind of rational thinking! :)
@akshayhazari6570
@akshayhazari6570 2 жыл бұрын
Thats how idiots like Imran Khan went to Oxford and Sonia Gandhi & Rajiv Gandhi went to Cambridge.
@michaskrzypczak3262
@michaskrzypczak3262 2 жыл бұрын
One of the few problems that I actually managed to solve on my own wow
@stevenschiro1838
@stevenschiro1838 2 жыл бұрын
Lol same
@ChathuraNuwanga
@ChathuraNuwanga 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@bottomless_pit
@bottomless_pit 2 жыл бұрын
Same here
@Jayy5
@Jayy5 2 жыл бұрын
Me too. So proud
@namikazeswapnil671
@namikazeswapnil671 2 жыл бұрын
Easy pisy
@oljo0527
@oljo0527 Жыл бұрын
So based on this single question I would have gotten into Oxford. I'm awaiting my letter of acceptance any day now.
@eldante4139
@eldante4139 Жыл бұрын
I found it super easy barely an inconvenience. It’s straightforward logic. I find it har to think that it was an Oxford University entry question.
@SilentKnight43
@SilentKnight43 2 жыл бұрын
I graduated Oxford last May. I landed my first post-graduate job interview two weeks later. Things seemed to go well and at the end of the interview I asked, "Do I supply my own green, blue and yellow geometric shapes...or does the company supply those?"
@BixbyConsequence
@BixbyConsequence 2 жыл бұрын
(silence)
@Kharallo
@Kharallo 2 жыл бұрын
@@BixbyConsequence "Excuse me. Sir!" (raises hand as the man walks out of the room)
@debraobondo9662
@debraobondo9662 2 жыл бұрын
@@BixbyConsequence 😂😂😂😂😂this needs more attention... I'm wheezing
@finchcrossly2836
@finchcrossly2836 2 жыл бұрын
@@BixbyConsequence do you know now?
@nymcom6435
@nymcom6435 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!!!
@r.j.powers381
@r.j.powers381 2 жыл бұрын
I learned two things about myself. According to this puzzle I do not immediately think logically and I could not do this in my head but would require pen and paper. Thanks for this. This was fun. You may have set me on a road to understand more.
@StofStuiver
@StofStuiver Жыл бұрын
There are 2 ways to solve this puzzle. One is by deduction, which is probably explained (but i didnt look at that to be honest): None of what is said is relevant, from the very first question "do either of you know.." You have all you need to know before that starts. 1 knows color, 1 knows shape. And both know that each has gotten that information. There is only 1 yellow and there is only 1 square. Both need to be discarded and both people would know that they should be discarded, bc none of them can have been given the correct answer. That would destroy the logic puzzle, which would be illogical. So thats not valid. Then they would both be left with green triangle, blue triangle and green circle. Same thing again. It cant be blue, bc there is only 1 blue. It cant be circle, bc there is only one circle. So its green triangle. Which they both would know. The other is by understanding the puzzle (ill explain) and then quickly going over it visually, excluding. This method is faster, but requires training in understanding the problem given and where the answer must be. So, it requires you to listen carefully to what information is given. at start stage they say 'common knowledge', 5 objects, with 3 variations in color and 3 variations in shape. Both get ONE exclusion criterium. What you should quickly understand from that is that the prize will be under the one that has most common traits, colorwise, and shapewise. That means you can exclude all outlyers! yellow - gone square - gone left is green circle, gren triangle and blue triangle circle - gone blue - gone Green triangle left. Above 6 lines are about 1 second or less of looking at it and discarding. bc you eliminate all outlyers without having to think about it. You can train this sort of logic and understanding very well and will get better and faster at it all the time. Its fun ;]
@r.j.powers381
@r.j.powers381 Жыл бұрын
@@StofStuiver thanks. This is keeper information. I appreciate your time. And it was fun anyway.
@StofStuiver
@StofStuiver Жыл бұрын
@@r.j.powers381 You are welcome sir ;]
@Unknown10446
@Unknown10446 Жыл бұрын
I just picked up that green triangle randomly thinking that that it was common in both the rows on both sides. Luckily, got that right! 😂
@connorjensen9699
@connorjensen9699 10 ай бұрын
That’s actually a good representation of why it is right
@videosrus8631
@videosrus8631 Жыл бұрын
I initially thought that this was a trick question to test whether the two candidates would gel as a team, in which case they would have collaborated and come up with the answer within a few seconds.
@AutPen38
@AutPen38 Жыл бұрын
These abstract problems are completely irrelevant to real life, where people have the power of speech.
@ZackBellGames
@ZackBellGames 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE how this work. It seems so impossible at a glance, but is fun and fairly simple to work through once you realize the process of elimination.
@youdontknow3140
@youdontknow3140 2 жыл бұрын
Alternate universe : Shilpa and Colin are so genius that they know how to communicate through sign language.
@jaygold4467
@jaygold4467 2 жыл бұрын
Ha,ha, ha!
@youdontknow3140
@youdontknow3140 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the first comment
@canadianradiochemist4465
@canadianradiochemist4465 2 жыл бұрын
...or they blinked via morse code to communicate
@smartlylever9908
@smartlylever9908 2 жыл бұрын
....or use telepathy.
@soldtobediers
@soldtobediers 2 жыл бұрын
Good one! With 69.5 Sun circuits... I can easily say, that those who've came out of Oxford know only what they are told. And MYD, had proven it by the use of those two words ''Tell & Told'' to total ad nausea. ''I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. Soap and education are not as sudden as a massacre, but they are more deadly in the long run. Education consists mainly in what we have unlearned. In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards.'' ~ Sam Adams
@Nicolas-th2gb
@Nicolas-th2gb Жыл бұрын
Host: Do either of you know where the prize is? Shilpa: my shape's triangle Colin: my color is green Shilpa and Colin: Yes! It's the green triangle!
@DeepakKumarDataScience
@DeepakKumarDataScience Жыл бұрын
Love these puzzles! Keep posting them Presh!
@Beebo
@Beebo 2 жыл бұрын
Struggled for ten minutes on this one but I'm so happy I managed to solve it!
@WowOafus
@WowOafus 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I wasn’t the only one
@BCS_AatirNadim
@BCS_AatirNadim 2 жыл бұрын
Exalted, you guys could join me
@ruchahiray4972
@ruchahiray4972 2 жыл бұрын
OMG....you have 15 lakhs subscribes but still don't have verification tick 🤔❓❓
@eat_your_cereal
@eat_your_cereal 2 жыл бұрын
Ayy i solved this in no time! Thanks for the ego boost. I’m gonna watch another video to get gravity working as normal again
@kumarmithilesh1886
@kumarmithilesh1886 2 жыл бұрын
Some seconds
@grafdp
@grafdp 2 жыл бұрын
"They say if you can solve this in your head, you are a genius ;)" Really? It wasn't that hard and I can assure you I'm not a genius.
@TiffanyTallent
@TiffanyTallent 2 жыл бұрын
FR! The explanation was 10x harder to understand than figuring out where the prize was. 🤣
@TheRealSimeon
@TheRealSimeon 2 жыл бұрын
Whatever you say, genius 😂
@grafdp
@grafdp 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealSimeon ​ I know my mental limits. One big limit for me is my working memory, I can't hold enough information in my head. Also I don't have the greatest IQ, it's around average. IQ tests actually are correct, even if people don't want to admit it. You notice the step where you can't process the pattern anymore.
@zordevo7485
@zordevo7485 2 жыл бұрын
@@grafdp I think cognitive ability lies on a broad spectrum
@DJAxykOfficial
@DJAxykOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
​@@grafdp "even if people don't want to admit it" reminds me those who can say "God is everything and here,
@feynthefallen
@feynthefallen 4 ай бұрын
I saw a similar puzzle just yesterday. Once you know the approach, it's trivial, but understanding which approach you have to use is somewhat tricky.
@ScholteimReinbachIII
@ScholteimReinbachIII Жыл бұрын
This is a pretty good filtering puzzle given that 12th graders are being asked to solve this. At 12th grade, I didn't have the logical thinking I gained during my university years. Harvard isn't looking for those who can learn logical thinking, they're looking for those who already have it.
@Spincat08
@Spincat08 Жыл бұрын
These puzzles are from elementary school....
@Jess-76507
@Jess-76507 2 жыл бұрын
I followed backwards reasoning to attempt to get a solution to this. From the get-go, I knew that if either knew it was a unique shape, that the shape would be first, so that left three options. However, my brain got wrapped around one person knowing what the other doesn't and etc. so instead I had to make an educated guess. Since I knew that uniqueness would be a factor, I choose the least unique, the Green Triangle, since it neither had a unique shape nor a unique color, nor share such with a unique shape or color. This meant that they both had to arrive at the answer at the same time.
@golem401
@golem401 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Thats what i did too.
@lotte5320
@lotte5320 2 жыл бұрын
that’s what i did
@SplarcieRS
@SplarcieRS 2 жыл бұрын
I can see why you made that your educated guess, but you could have known 100% from when both of them were unsure still and there was two greens and two triangles. That mean it had to be set green, and had to be a triangle. You shouldn't really need an educated guess but your thinking is amazing too.
@unifiedmongoose7915
@unifiedmongoose7915 2 жыл бұрын
I dont get it? wouldn't that mean it couldve been blue triangle aswell?
@danielisai1051
@danielisai1051 2 жыл бұрын
@@unifiedmongoose7915 blue is unique color there when there is only 2 triangle and 1 green circle. their answer won't arrive at the same time if it was the unique color or shape when there is only 2 triangle and 1 green circle left
@anon0092
@anon0092 2 жыл бұрын
I mean...if he's asking them both at the same time, this becomes ten times easier. "Do you know now?" Shilpa: "Well, what color is it?" Collin: " Green. What shape?" S: "Triangle." Both: "Yeah, we know." Solved The puzzle never specified that the participants couldn't ask each other for further information XD
@punchline9008
@punchline9008 2 жыл бұрын
Ha ! Why specify when it is common knowledge. How often do you see two mathematicians talk to each other ?
@punchline9008
@punchline9008 2 жыл бұрын
@Rebecca They talk ciphers ! And one doesn't get the other.
@Waterbug1591
@Waterbug1591 2 жыл бұрын
The point of the puzzle is that you have to figure it out based on their two "silent" responses and one final "yes" response. So it makes sense.
@punchline9008
@punchline9008 2 жыл бұрын
@@Waterbug1591 Hence Proved "Silence is Golden"
@HaukeHaien
@HaukeHaien 29 күн бұрын
This took me the better part of 30 seconds to figure out because I was bored and distracted in a meeting. I would still fail in Oxford because tests like this mean nothing.
@rhea3838
@rhea3838 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the fact they both know what each other has been told, and that they can hear each other it would've made more sense to me
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