Minecart Rail Efficiency [Minecraft Myth Busting 83]

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This episode we investigate the efficeincy of rail spacing between normal rails and powered rails.
In response to the comments i made this video
• Minecart Rail Efficien...
Spacing of powered rails and time it took to travel 164 blocks
5 20.02
10 20.42
15 20.21
20 20.26
25 21.1
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@AL_O0 8 жыл бұрын

Please, make graphs, they are cool and simple to understand For example Speed (block/sec) ^ | | | | | _______________________________> normal tracks between powered ones And maybe you could add different colors for Minecart chest, hopper, TNT, empty, player, mob (and maybe furnace, they are really slow on powered rails!)

@xisumavoid 8 жыл бұрын

+AL_O0 ᶜᴼᴹᴹᴬᴺᴰ ᴮᴸᴼᶜᴷ ᴬᴺᴰ ᴿᴱᴰˢᵀᴼᴺᴱ This is what i wanted to do but i couldnt figure out the math :-/

@AL_O0 8 жыл бұрын

+xisumavoid ok, I'll try with your data or maybe redo the tests with some scoreboards to measure actual server time and compensation for my slow PC...

@ilmango 8 жыл бұрын

+AL_O0 ᶜᴼᴹᴹᴬᴺᴰ ᴮᴸᴼᶜᴷ ᴬᴺᴰ ᴿᴱᴰˢᵀᴼᴺᴱ wouldnt the best solution be to look at the code? this way you get exact results

@AL_O0 8 жыл бұрын

+ilmango The purpose of this series is to test myths with the experimental method we use in real life, not with the code! That would be way easier, but it would't fit this series very well... Plus... Doing "real world" scenarios shows better how the thing effects the gameplay!

@ilmango 8 жыл бұрын

+AL_O0 ᶜᴼᴹᴹᴬᴺᴰ ᴮᴸᴼᶜᴷ ᴬᴺᴰ ᴿᴱᴰˢᵀᴼᴺᴱ what a strange purpose. I remember xisuma using the code to verify things.

@SiroisJS 5 жыл бұрын

This is exactly the type of information I was looking for. Basically 20 tracks between powered rails is the best.

@samsmith182 3 жыл бұрын

thanks so much

@jeyhuan9194 11 ай бұрын

between 1 powered rail?

@cristianvega6067 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment

@JohnSF93 8 жыл бұрын

0.6 = 1s ? what's wrong with using milliseconds??

@Outland9000 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah... 0.6 = 1 s? I have literally no idea what he's on about.

@traespicer2591 5 жыл бұрын

60 seconds = 1 min so 0.60 = 1 seconds not that hard bro

@Outland9000 5 жыл бұрын

@@traespicer2591 But one sixtyieth of one is approximately 0.0167.... So one second is roughly 0.0167 of a minute. Where did 0.6 come from?

@somelokyguy6466 5 жыл бұрын

@@traespicer2591 No it's because he's recording in 60fps, so 60 frames of video measured is 1 second of time elapsed.

@melody3741 3 жыл бұрын

He means how many seconds for each rail added. So .6 seconds per rail added means it ends up in 1 second total by the end.

@JaqiesGadgets 8 жыл бұрын

Xisuma, there is a *BIG* problem with your testing. you are including the slower acceleration of a single powered rail, you need to start the minecarts at their full speed before they hit the spaced rail system. If you start them with about four powered rails before the spacing test, they should be about full speed so you can get an accurate test. This can make that 1 second difference you observed. I always make multiple powered rails to start the cart to full speed before spacing out my powered booster sections.

@neonjoe529 8 жыл бұрын

+JaqiesGadgets *"I always make multiple powered rails to start... "* Me too. And then I have 40 normal rails between each powered rail.

@bernabekondrak2719 5 жыл бұрын

How many?

@nathanmascia6892 4 жыл бұрын

Yes

@nathanmascia6892 4 жыл бұрын

Should be 38 rails between the powered rails

@coolopotomus556 4 жыл бұрын

@@nathanmascia6892 Yep, way more rails than this guy is saying. I was like this test is completely bogus.

@hectork-l9670 8 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to also add slopes in the test. Good ep though.

@FaultyWin 8 жыл бұрын

And curves also

@Blobjim 8 жыл бұрын

Powered carts

@FlameRat_YehLon 8 жыл бұрын

+Hector K - L And stacked carts, which used to be used quite often before powered rails are featured in the game, although it's more stable to use boosters at that time I guess. (ps. now boosters won't work, but that's a good thing, because otherwise you would have to split every track by at least a one-block gap, otherwise they will be interfere with each other.)

@froglover4203 6 жыл бұрын

Slopes do not change the velocity of a minecart.

@tomronan3622 8 жыл бұрын

Another thing to note with the resources, if it is a straight stretch then only 1 red stone block, torch, or lever is needed for a specific distance. With all of the rails separated, each needs a red stone block, lever, etc. Considering the amount of redstone needed to make the rails and blocks and the easiness of placing these power inputs, the most efficient method is to have a stretch of powered rails with 1 lever, then a gap later down the track at the point where the rail would lose power, then the stretch again. This method is probably best since it is easy to place, but not necessarily cost efficient as the space options.

@ScalperSkid 8 жыл бұрын

if you have three powered rails at the beginning and 33 rails in between each powered rail you do not loose any speed :)

@xisumavoid 8 жыл бұрын

+Scalper Skid Good to know!

@JJVO21 4 жыл бұрын

Would you need to place another 3 powered rails in order to keep the pace or just 1?

@_AbhijeetPawar 4 жыл бұрын

@@JJVO21 no just 1

@TwksqR 4 жыл бұрын

This is my way of spacing them too

@ramenllamaminecrafttime Ай бұрын

Thank you for this ScalperSkid. Still works in 2024 1.21.

@Unleashed75 8 жыл бұрын

I would guess the carts need to get up to full speed at the very start to get a fuller picture of the times. I don't think the first two boosters you use get them up to that full speed and could be the reason for your random results

@liamolaoghaire 8 жыл бұрын

I've been binge watching this series brilliant job dude, you earned a sub

@KaushikHarith 8 жыл бұрын

+xisumavoid I believe the formula has a hard maximum for speed. Every powered rail raises the player in cart velocity by a certain amount. The decelaration seems to be a constant.(IE velocity fall per unit rail is constant.). Therefore V(n)= V(due to powered) minus (constant)n . Using the test where you found out the 126 block limit we can determine the constant. Using all this we can determine the final formula to be- V(n)= V(due to powered)-(constant)n + N(V(due to powered)). where n= no of normal rails, N = number of powered rails traversed already, v(n) = velocity at the nth V(due to powered) is the fixed velocity imparted by the powered rail. The FINAL FORMULA IS IN MY OPINION V(n)= [(N+1)V(due to powered)] minus (constant)*n

@danielw2139 8 жыл бұрын

I've found that minecart chests seem to be slower, the more they are filled, with an empty one being the fastest. Something else to consider when making item transportation systems.

@jacksivyer8403 8 жыл бұрын

Another great video as usual :D, I'd like you to know that I really appreciate the time you put into this series. Perhaps you could make a part two where you use the equation: velocity = distance traveled (164 blocks in this case) divided by time (i.e. 20.28 seconds). Using these numbers, it can be calculated that the fastest velocity of a minecart is approximately 8.09 blocks per second. Keep up the good work!

@dixie_rekd9601 8 жыл бұрын

don't forget the momentum variable... it has nothing to do with speed and its not like real world momentum... think of it as charge... running across say 8 powered rails will let you roll further over unpowered rails than using just a couple of powered rails to get your speed up.... the top speed of a minecart is limited but its momentum has a far higher limit.... try the same test but with 8 powered rails at the start of the track and you will notice that you can roll faster on the tracks with less powered rails meaning you can increase the speed on cheaper tracks, while still keeping them relatively cheap. :)

@dolantremp 8 жыл бұрын

+AwesomeVindicator Thats what i was thinking...simply changing the number of spaces between powered rails isnt a conclusive way to test. Momentum also needs to be taken into account. I would love to see a follow up where, for example, every few blocks he puts multiple powered rails in a row and tests that as well.

@delson84 8 жыл бұрын

+AwesomeVindicator Yeah. I don't think Xisuma realizes it only takes 3 powered rails, in a row, top off the cart's speed and momentum. Then supposedly 1 rail every 38 is enough to keep it going. I end up doing 1/32 because it's even though. I was hoping this video would explain why it works, but it never got into it.

@RimaNari 8 жыл бұрын

+AwesomeVindicator I was thinking from the beginning on, he should boost the cart to full at first. Couldn't word it as good as you did, though, was more of a gut feeling. And today he tweets about how the wiki was wrong... even though it is due to his goofing of forgetting to boost them first to have a reliable basis to measure the velocity decay. Or did he mean something else with his tweet?

@aubni 8 жыл бұрын

I read on the wiki that the time spent on a powered rail has a big influence. For example, if the minecart is going slow enough to be over the powered rail for 3 game ticks instead of 2, it will get 3 speed boosts instead of 2 and so, it will leave the powered rail with a significantly higher speed boost.

@johnharrison833 8 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a tour of that test world!!

@noscript4i 7 жыл бұрын

As I watched the follow-up video just today (same for this one), I figured out that the only way for a formula requires coding of some sort, and possibly a recursive function, because it is how many ticks a minecart is on a powered rail (explained in his follow-up... same for "why not 3 at the start?" question).

@GubbiGap 7 жыл бұрын

This video is so good! I always refer back to it if I need to make a railway :D Railways in the nether are super effective because of the decease in distance so people on the server always build them and every time someone asks me how to build it most efficiently I refer them back to this video :D

@Dragorn421 8 жыл бұрын

Description error c: "efficeincy" Great vid as usual!

@jtbowman132 8 жыл бұрын

Oh how I wish I would've known this in my four years of hardcore minecrafting...I always thought 10 was the max number of rails a cart could go without needing a boost...oops. Thanks X for another great video! :)

@jakubk.8836 8 жыл бұрын

+jtbowman132 hhahahaha you are not the proffesional after all are you muahahah mauuahahah MAHAHAHAHAHAHAHah

@jtbowman132 8 жыл бұрын

Jakub K. bitch did i ever say i'm a professional? lmao

@sohamgumaste 8 жыл бұрын

"Then i'll be able to measure the distance in time" - Xisumaviod 2016

@ASOUE 8 жыл бұрын

I know that this is an old video, but Thank you X, for doing grindy tests like these, for the benefit of us. :)

@Samsudindwc 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 6 years after uploading this lol was some much needed info

@jamescameron2074 8 жыл бұрын

All the time that goes into these mithbusting episodes are amazing, and useful as well. Just a question about minecarts, how much drop off does going up hills make, for example, 4 rails to every powered on flat ground, and _ rails to powered going up hills.

@Eban11235 8 жыл бұрын

I personally go a power rail every 16 normal ones, just so the stacks work out neatly.

@RegulusBlues 4 жыл бұрын

Even 30 blocks is pretty much sufficient

@ryanjacobsen2042 3 жыл бұрын

I will try 20

@sjbolton72 6 жыл бұрын

thanks for the testing, would love to know the extension of this video: when building long distance rail lines using a booster powered rail at long distance intervals is it better to use one powered rail or three or five? or is there little to no gain above just one?

@MarijnRoorda 8 жыл бұрын

So used to modded minecraft and its myriad of travel options, as well as server plugins, i cant even remember how long ago it was that i used minecarts to get around a minecraft world.

@ricedmatt 7 жыл бұрын

You might’ve mentioned it in the video, but have you considered trying two powered rails in a single group every 12 blocks? Works fro me every time.

@AndrewBater 8 жыл бұрын

This is some really good testing. I'd love to see a similar video for powered/unpowered rails on a slope.

@ExpiredToast11 4 жыл бұрын

to go up a slope you have to put a powered rail every third rail for no slow down. X o o X o o X every fourth it starts to slow but will reach the next boost.

@polaire801 6 жыл бұрын

I believe that the wiki mentioned the max power rail chain speed/distance benefit is 3 powered rails together. Another thing I’ve noticed is that one red stone block can power a row of connected power rails. I’m in v1.12. Cheers!

@rashkavar 8 жыл бұрын

One thing you've missed. As I recall, it takes 4 consecutive powered rails to get up to top speed from a standstill. If you use the trigger rail (the one powered by the button, a normal rail, 4 powered rails to get you to full speed, then hit the periodic rails, what becomes the most efficient?) Further rail tests to consider: powered rail efficiency going uphill. The effect of corners. The effect of walls on minecarts (I've had some issues with nether-tunnels that use underground interchanges - having walls right next to a rail that is going down and around a corner (obviously the corners are flat, but the rest is sloped) somehow makes the minecart stop. Also, Gold is cheaper than Iron because Donuts are easier to build than Iron Titans. :p

@redhawk3385 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you i had to make a 1500 block rail in the nether to a mesa this helped

@xander7074 8 жыл бұрын

The testing would've been easier if you would've used a command block timer

@Sam-fm3hu 8 жыл бұрын

No, it wouldn't have been as accurate because Command Blocks can only measure intervals of 0.05 seconds (20 ticks per sec)

@ilmango 8 жыл бұрын

+Sam Pearce wrong. minecarts also only move once per game tick

@xander7074 8 жыл бұрын

***** and even if that would make a difference, it wouldn't really matter. nobody cares about 0.05 seconds difference

@Apollo30 5 жыл бұрын

xander for us lazy people yeah, but for nerds. No

@dizknots9357 4 жыл бұрын

@@Apollo30 Lol. Even a 0.05 seconds difference will make nerds itch-y.

@BronyLP 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video it helped out when I built my rail out to my enderman farm :)

@RugbugRedfern 8 жыл бұрын

What editing software do you use to add the two videos in the corners of the screen?

@inferno7181 8 жыл бұрын

Use Distance/Time to find the speed in meters per second. Since blocks are 1m high, we can use your calculated time and change it to seconds.

@15Redstones 8 жыл бұрын

Maybe try a command block timer with a scoreboard that adds 1 to every entity with a score above -1 every tick, then set the score of the minecart to 0 in the moment when you click the button and print the score out in a tellraw message when the pressure plate is activated.

@QuartzNova 8 жыл бұрын

You mentioned there being tiny inconsistencies in the time taken per track. If you look at where you demonstrate the speed loss of the empty minecarts, you can see that you're not placing them in exactly the same place on the first powered rail. This would grant the carts different amounts of speed from the first rail as they're on it for inconsistent amounts of time.

@SapientPearwood 8 жыл бұрын

If I understand the wiki correctly, the speed of players, hoppers and chests is dependent on momentum. If that is true, it would be interesting to see how different loading conditions would effect the total time. As a specific case, you could try a chest with a redstone 2 signal's worth of items to see what an optimal strategy would be.

@bovax6259 6 жыл бұрын

Ive always done 30 blocks on flat ground between powered rail (minus terrain features) and it always seems to be pretty fast. By your video im now doubting my perception of my minecart rides but it still feels fast. Up until this last world ive never worked with a gold farm either. Just what i find in world.

@TheHippie27 8 жыл бұрын

Aww man I was really hoping you'd cover minecart with chests WITH stuff in them, because I know they move almost as slow as a tnt minecart when they're at full capacity, I just don't know how much. I've been wanting to test it myself, just soo lazy :P

@wewd 8 жыл бұрын

The most efficient is 1 powered rail between every 34 unpowered rails. For economy you can go up to 37 unpowered rails before you start to lose velocity. The rule of thumb I use is very simple: 32 normal rails, followed by 1 detector rail, 1 powered rail, and another detector rail. The 2 added detector rails give you 34 unpowered rails between each powered rail, and do the work of powering the powered rail in each direction. You could use a redstone torch to power the powered rail instead, but this makes laying track on cobblestone slabs in the air a bit less time efficient. 32 normal rails just happens to be one half stack, so laying out 32 is very easy to do without having to count them individually. Just cut your stack in half and put each half in your quick bar, and when the first half is used up, lay your detector rail pieces and your powered rail piece. Repeat further until your destination.

@whoeveriam0iam14222 8 жыл бұрын

before I fully watch this video: I remember that if you have 4 powered rails in a row that would get you to max speed (might be 3) and then a gap of 30 would keep you on that max speed but that's from quite a while ago and might not be accurate as I did no testing for that number

@somefool6409 8 жыл бұрын

A mini-myth idea: Does Looting affect XP drops? Does looting work on a bow? Do mobs killed with enchanted harming potions (via creative mode) get affected by the enchantments?

@xisumavoid 8 жыл бұрын

+Connor Steppie Covered the first two before, and myth busting is survival oriented :-)

@somefool6409 8 жыл бұрын

xisumavoid I thought you did fortune on XP, not looting? okay, new idea: On which layers do dungeons spawn most commonly?

@daanvandongen1422 8 жыл бұрын

+Connor Steppie i think thats on the wiki

@lucidmoses 8 жыл бұрын

+Connor Steppie There was a guy that showed how to spawn dungeons a while ago. He spawned skeleton dungeons. In those videos he talked a fair bit about how dungeons are generated. Maybe other can remember who that was. I think he was part of the ZipCrowed guys.

@lucidmoses 8 жыл бұрын

+Connor Steppie Just remembered. It was Panda4994

@AgentM124 8 жыл бұрын

will you do a general 1.9 update mythbusting video when the update comes out? it will cover things to do with armor, weapon damage, maybe?

@iNook26 8 жыл бұрын

You forgot to take into account the acceleration, what you could have done is make a part behind the main tracks that get the carts up to speed

@xisumavoid 8 жыл бұрын

+Cameron Allsopp Whats the difference? They all had the same starting condition

@iNook26 8 жыл бұрын

+xisumavoid I was meaning the different speed to be able to catch up to the next rail as the rails would boost the speed very slightly

@Laireso 2 жыл бұрын

I did some testing in the newest version and the gold spot is 6 normal rails and 4 powered rails, this gives you almost consistant top speed of the minecart for the least amount of powered rails used, although iron is much more valuable than gold both in early game (more recipes require iron than gold) and in late game (iron farm less effective than gold farm) but hey, if you have surplus of iron and not enough gold somehow, do 6 rails/4 powered rails/6 rails and so on. It only maintains the top speed on even ground, if you got uneven terrain I suggest terraforming it or just slap on more powered rails.

@kevinhefner4466 8 жыл бұрын

I would suggest using 16 regular rails in between each powered one. This is because it makes it easy to count. All you must do is divide your stack of rails into 4. Also, with the slight speed drop, you would be fine. Finally, it is perfect for people who accidentally sent their empty minecarts back, as it won't make it to the next powered rail.

@sheb2500 8 жыл бұрын

a possible mathematical function on the data in the discription: BlocksPerSecond = -0,000641*BlocksBetween^2+8,5 with an average offste of 0,0000217 or +0,113 to -0,151 in extreme cases

@DoggoRides 8 жыл бұрын

1:25 You can just turn all the tracks on with chest minecarts. And go to the end and have your result. Going into a editing program is a fun way be takes time.

@ryanfullerton2924 8 жыл бұрын

Nice video once again X :D

@solhernon6477 8 жыл бұрын

If you do this again with the mine cart hoppers could you include it having a filled inventory v. empty?

@SalivaYOUTUBE 8 жыл бұрын

Could you use the piston/slime block combo along with a sensor rail and repeater to make a mine cart jump up as you're going over the slime popper?

@WetaMantis 8 жыл бұрын

Very good video, extremely useful!

@edaly5096 8 жыл бұрын

I agree

@matthieuh.7330 8 жыл бұрын

Mini myth: when bonemealing, do you get more red or yellow flowers?

@xisumavoid 8 жыл бұрын

+Matt's Magic- Card Tricks and Tutorials Depends on biome and location :-)

@pet3590 8 жыл бұрын

Assuming the cart starts at full speed, how many powered rails would you need? I always started my rails off with 3 powered rails to get the cart to full speed, then place a powered rail every 30th block and that seemed to keep the cart go full speed.

@ktakatheo 2 жыл бұрын

I built three rail lines, two villages and my starting based, that all terminate at a waystation in the middle. I run 4-6 blocks between powered rails because up and down hill makes a SIGNIFICANT difference in speed. That being said, GOOD WORK, really happy my setup without testing, meets the efficiency curve of the game. Now should I add a 4th rail line for my second base?

@MeteorPhotography 8 жыл бұрын

You could use lists and regression tests on a graphing calculator to figure out a formula for the speeds.

@franciscoeaton7539 6 жыл бұрын

Some times i put a minecart on aa powered rail and i shaked and i cant go on it why?

@iFloops 7 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Thanks!

@vvmmuu 8 жыл бұрын

hi x, haven't done rail for a while but one of my first worlds was about 20,00 by 20,000 i had a grid network with lines 1000 apart. and i found to keep me at top speed that 32 rail and then 3 power was good as 32 was half of 64 (one stack) and therefore easy to lay a long stretch at a time. 3 power got you from standing to full speed. if the rail stepped up or down by 3 steps i immediately put down another three power and started the 32 count again. if i was going up a mountain i would place 3 power then 4 normal. the key here is that the 3 power was enough to get you to full speed and four or more didn't increase that speed. not having farms i had to be economical with power. hope minecraft hasn't changed that much to make this redundant. vincent

@eliavrad2845 8 жыл бұрын

If a minecart has a different starting velocity, won't it take a different time to come from powered rail to powered rail and so have a different efficiency spacing? (maybe if the speeding up/slowing down depends on time on-rail versus number-of-rails?)

@tobylane 8 жыл бұрын

What I want to know is, once a non player cart is at full speed, how often does the powered rail need to be? I think it's around 22-28. I base everything I do with rails on assuming it's 24.

@Poopinhammer 8 жыл бұрын

I always put half a stack of rails between powered if it is a flat surface. Works fine for most things.

@sirizalot 4 жыл бұрын

Personally, in my survival world (where I do a lot of transportation by rail), I begin any line with two or three powered rails, and from there, assuming it's a completely flat journey, I lay down one powered rail after every 32 regular rails. This way, I have a ratio of 2 powered rails for every full stack of regular rails. I've never had any problem with this setup, and I can get places fairly quickly (though it doesn't compare to elytra flight, obviously)

@EVILBUNNY28 8 жыл бұрын

I got reeeally excited when they massively increased the top speed of mine carts. It made more sense. Min cart rails were much more convenient to use when I played in that snapshot. Real shame it got debuffed.

@macmcleod1188 6 жыл бұрын

You need the rail to be strong enough to propel empty carts. That is so you can keep a cart at each end and send the extra back.

@pevi1973 8 жыл бұрын

Is there any difference when using blocked vs torches?

@samueldelatorre4766 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! You did great!

@Thebobsmccoll 8 жыл бұрын

Mine carts can be boosted to full speed using 3 powered tracks and then you need a powered track every 22 blocks to maintain that speed.

@icommentfornootherreasonth8773 8 жыл бұрын

Why didnt I see this in my subbox? I love mythbusting!

@ElucarioYEAH 8 жыл бұрын

Your username got me lol

@grenndurango5588 7 жыл бұрын

I keep getting derailed. Am playing Minecraft PE. I have a few activator rails on level ground for a bit of push: they're lit up by nearby Redstone torch. I have ample overhead. Sometimes they work, other times I get de railed. What am I doing wrong?

@hummusfraud 8 жыл бұрын

X, did you do the tests exclusively in creative mode? I know that certain player characteristics behave differently between game modes, and I believe rate of travel is one of them (cf. the way tnt canons do not launch the player as high when in creative). Could end up making your testing results more logical! : )

@xisumavoid 8 жыл бұрын

+Ian Balisy it was all creative, that didnt cross my mind and could be true :-)

@cameronluce 8 жыл бұрын

Yay Mythbusting!

@Joebb3Games 8 жыл бұрын

You should test with multiple starting rails. I find that if you use 3 starting rails, you can put over 20 rails between single powered rails and not lose speed... I think it ends up being 27 rails between with no loss.

@maruohon 8 жыл бұрын

I was hoping you would have included a couple of tracks where there would have been 2 or 3 powered rails instead of just the one. Then again if the difference with a player passenger was so minimal with one powered track too, then it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference... My own experience just seems to indicate that one powered track doesn't properly boost you to full speed if they are pretty far apart, somewhere around 16 blocks or so. I guess I'll have to do some actual testing of my own.

@WolfszeitYT 4 жыл бұрын

Good explained i love it.

@bencraighead 8 жыл бұрын

do passive mobs spawn on path blocks?

@NickBham 7 жыл бұрын

So for me I like to use the Minecraft rail for a scenic yet speedy tour of my world. So I started with 19 blocks and the 20th being a powered rail. However I found that to be too fast for me. So then I removed every other 20th powered rail and use it as a powered rail So now its 39 and one powered. its still pretty fast though. My minecart system isnt that vast yet so I havent decided if I will be sticking with the 40 powered rail set up or expanding more. This of course is on a straight away and not including a slope/hill. Depending on the height of the hill it would obviously require powered rails. I like to use them in pairs on hills (IE I drop two powered rails together) so I dont get the chugging roller coaster feel. I also would like to note that I play on the xbox one platform. So the rails may be different.

@Deadman316 8 жыл бұрын

Damn the results are surprisingly close I have always thought it would take a lot longer. Another test I would like you to look at to do with minecarts is the speed that a minecart with chest can travel and still get items from consecutive hoppers and the distance that is required to not double up on items when depositing items into hoppers for example in a furnace situation when you have a minecart go back and forth to deposit sticks as fuel how many blocks are required at each end to prevent the ends from getting too much or not enough sticks i think I know the answer but would be a great help to you and your subs as im only a tiny channel :)

@Schnicks 8 жыл бұрын

I thought the hopper minecart got slower/faster with the more items in it? maybe test for next episode?

@neonjoe529 8 жыл бұрын

+Schnicks_NZ This is most definitely true.

@quentintubb 8 жыл бұрын

someone told me that 36 was a good number, but i tend to stick to one powered rail every 32 unpowered ones unless they go uphill then i use powered rails every second one

@osamacharkieh9798 4 жыл бұрын

So is 3 powered 10 regular the all in best rail system to use??

@jm-nf8xf 8 жыл бұрын

do you take less fall damage while standing on a falling block

@marlysalt 8 жыл бұрын

I know it's time consuming and all the minecraft-scientific nature of it might be tedious, but I just wanted to say that at least I think it's worth it.

@TheMeepPlay 2 жыл бұрын

thanks dude really appreciated

@Ossy33 8 жыл бұрын

Myth Idea! How much more durability does the unbreaking(III) give you on the pick,shovel,sword...... Does the unbreaking III enchant give you three more times durability???

@kirstyshadowdancer5095 8 жыл бұрын

You should try the test again with mobs in minecarts, and see if they travel at the same speed as the player. Try to remember one of your mathamatical errors could be software lag time between takes. If they all travel at the same time in a single run it would be a better comparison. And for that if you don't have thirty player friends, why not make friends with mobs :D

@georgemas 8 жыл бұрын

"discrepancy" reminds me of the "Papers Please" game... Which you should definitely play btw!

@needlequill 8 жыл бұрын

Xisuma, the most cost-effective rail system (for player in the minecart) is: 3 powered to start, then 1 powered rail every ~35 blocks. The easiest way to build is to do every 32 (half a stack).

@xisumavoid 8 жыл бұрын

+needlequill depends on the price, thats why i wanted to make a graph

@TroZ_Games 8 жыл бұрын

Xisuma, I think a better test would be to start each track with 3 or more powered rails, so that the minecarts start at full speed. since you found that chest carts seem to go at the same speed as player carts, I think a good setup would be to have a bunch of them set up so a lever would activate the 3 powered rails at the start of the track, all at the same time. Then you would just have to fly above the end of the track and record the order in which they finish and how much time was between them finishing. Having the carts already at full speed with 3 or more powered rails is important to not disadvantage the longer spaced tracks in getting the minecart up to speed. Using this technique, I have heard that a spacing of 37 normal rails between powered rails is basically identical to a full track of powered rails for a distance of 1000 blocks.

@xisumavoid 8 жыл бұрын

+TroZ Sine the start is the same on each track it shouldnt matter right?

@TroZ_Games 8 жыл бұрын

+xisumavoid it depends. if you are going to use these results for short runs, then they are probably fine. But for the track with a spacing of 30, you don't hit the third powered rail for 60 blocks in of the 160 length track, so you may not hit full speed until 1/3 of the track length has already passed.

@rocu5036 8 жыл бұрын

My craft myth busting is my favourite series

@DonkeyTeeth2013 8 жыл бұрын

I did some calculations, and I've come to a conclusion that gives a formula that produces a rough estimate of how long it takes for x amount of spaces between powered rails. I rounded everything to the 7th decimal place. The first equation is cubic, and does okay at determining the time it takes for x amount of spaces between powered rails: f(x) = 0.0001177x^3 - 0.0035286x^2 + 0.0524127x + 19.9114286 The second equation is quartic, and is more accurate than the cubic equation for lower numbers, but eventually becomes inaccurate (times decrease at 39 spaces between rails, and time becomes negative at 60 spaces): f(x) = -0.0000164x^4 + 0.0014317x^3 - 0.0390166x^2 + 0.4207850x + 18.75 The functions were created based on the values you gave us in the description of the video using a TI-84 Plus CE calculator. I could probably come up with more accurate values if given more data to work with. So, the cubic equation is probably your best bet, as it's a bit more inaccurate than the quartic one but gives better results for higher numbers.

@lucidmoses 8 жыл бұрын

Did some testing a long time ago. Found the number of powered rails at the start of a track mattered a fair bit. You can logic out from your tests that that is not the case any more. However, had you actually tried it? Specifically on the every eight and less frequent.

@xisumavoid 8 жыл бұрын

+Lucid Moses It doesnt matter because they all start under the same conditions :-)

@lucidmoses 8 жыл бұрын

xisumavoid 100% agree. Not saying your test was invalid in any way. Just sometimes you may do an extra data point that you don't cover in the episode and just wondering if you happened to check that.

@mellegort2492 8 жыл бұрын

xisuma can you do a mythe busting about spawners. it would really help me

@trashonspeed5845 8 жыл бұрын

mini myth idea : nather forteress spawing, how many in x chunks, what hight etc

8 жыл бұрын

1:30 You could have made a command block chain to spawn the minecarts simultaneously and then fly or teleport to the other end. Or don't summoned minecarts roll when they are summoned on a booster rail?

@ampjam 8 жыл бұрын

The most efficient rail is 3 powered rails then 38 normal rails then another 3 powered rails, 38 normal rails, etc.

@onbekende07 8 жыл бұрын

+xisumavoid might your issue with graphing/regression be with the usage of 0.60 = 1 second? You would need to adjust your times to match our decimal math world :D

@codonbyte 8 жыл бұрын

Due to how easy Snocrash's gold farm is to build, I honestly think powered rails are easier to get early on than normal rails. Iron farms are a pain in the ass to build; and iron can be annoyingly hard to come by in large quantities while mining. When I first start out a world, I almost always find that normal rails are more expensive for me to craft than powered rails.

@hybrid5568 2 жыл бұрын

I'm very close to crafting my first set of rail cart and rails. I have dreams of finding gold to make the powered ones and putting them in front of each other so I can just SPEEEEDD past enemies.