consider that the F56 is a JCW while the R56 is a "stock" S

aronnepiperno Totaly agree with you, I have a stock 2009 Cooper s, and know how well it goes. 175hp stock, 230hp jcw, so should have the edge.

Sounds like someone’s a little unhappy a R56 is faster

I'm on the same road, currently rebuilding the engine with forged internals, GTD 47mm turbo, big intercooler, catless down pipe, with a costume tune. After that I will be doing Wilwood big brakes, RPF1 wheels 17x7 ET +43 with 225/45 Toyo R888R hoping not to have rubbing issues

Are you happy with it? I hear a lot of Bad things about Mini Cooper s r56

I would stick to the 230hp, 300 is too much for that little Peugeot engine..

@@2strokelion366 the R56 is a very problematic Mini. You really need someone who knows everything about that cars. Repairs can be very expensive. But otherwise its a nice fun car.

PY it’s just for fun, they are different formats but I wouldn’t particularly say that F models are more of a refined drive in comparison

Looks to me like the R56 is lighter and may handle better, possibly more nimble, seems to be more neutral (although I think the R56 was screwing around in the beginning just trying to get the feel of how the car rotates). R56 consistently gets away when the road tightens up or if there is traffic. F56 is definitely faster, higher top speed but it seems to plow the front end a little more than the R56. This is my observation of this video which is based on the set up of these two cars and the both pilots. With some more tuning there are gains to be made. Great video!

The JCW is a faster car, especially with automatic transmission (but not as fun imo)

The DCT is really fast.

@@bijdikh8516 The fact that you think it’s a DCT is even funnier

@@diegogregoir4524 😂😂😂

@@bijdikh8516 Only the Cooper S had a DCT from 2017 till 2019.. This JCW has a single clutch Asain 8 speed.

Mike Lightowlers it's a jcw you can tell by the centre instrument tbh I think he was just keeping up with him as oppose to trying to overtake.

Its not the car, its the driver. You should know this.

yup, the f56 is a joke

The F56 is superior in every way. The only reason the R56 was any challenge to the F56 was due to the tires. Overinflated and overheated 205/40/18 Eco run-flats vs 215/45/17 Semi slicks.

Not true in any way, the f56 is lacking emotions everywhere and has just become a bread & butter hot hatchback like a golf gti

How do you know it's lacking emotions everywhere? Do you own an F56 JCW? I have driven both back to back. The F56 has comfort, a quality interior, power (and actually a reliable engine compared to N18), handling and it's a lot of fun to drive. The F56 isn't THAT much bigger either. :)

Because i've driven the R56 JCW myself and was a passenger in a F56. It may be the better daily driver, but its just such a big car in comparsion.The engine is rubber bandish and unexciting at the top end, especially with the automatic. The N18 was reliable after the Facelift, if you treat it right.