Hey everyone, I'm curious, what are your thoughs about Joonie's comments in the show The Dictionary of Useless Human Knowledge, about marriage, romantic relationships...?.....

@@chelm203 Hey 👋, would you mind telling me the episode number (and if you can the minute length)? As soon as I can I will watch it ;)

@@chelm203 What did he say?

@@alatiel4746 I found this link kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mZqEndditJqpZoU.html in the description is the english translation about wht he said I trying to find the one where he talks about love

@@chelm203 You could just tell us what he had to say.

Sii es verdad ... cuando cantaron Butter en los Billboard... en el momento que están hablando al fandom MiniMoni se miran y Yoongi los distrae haciendo un ruido fuerte con sus manos 😅😅😅

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As each year goes by their bond grows stronger and you get to see just how much in love they are.

Asi es, basta uno de esos toques y los cargadores de ships ya lo subiran.

Hola, yo también pienso que a namjoon no le gusto para nada ese "jimin cásate conmigo" él sabe que es broma de parte del fandom pero no puede evitar molestarse, recuerdo cuando veían su mv de dynamite dónde Jk leyó un comentario que decía "yoonmin" la cara de desagrado de nam a la mención del ship fue fuerte y a jimin tampoco le agrado ese comentario.

@@tjam9650 I think that it is because he has to hide the fact that he is Jimin's partner and love and yet cannot tell everyone that they are a real couple and instead has to hear comments about Jimin with other members or people asking Jimin to marry them.

I find it interesting that NJ visibly reacted to JM marry me comment. It reminds me of when NJ responded with "woow", on weverse, to the post about JM being the boyfriend of the person who wrote the comment. I think NJ's territorial side comes out on these occasions. I also think they find comfort in touching each other, especially their hands.

@@alatiel4746 I agree that touching each other gives them comfort, and I believe that they are a couple who likes to hold hands and that is why they will unconsciously reach out to touch each other's hands. Namjoon doesn't like it when others try to claim Jimin for themselves. I remember when they were on Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Fallon got Jimin to call himself Jimin Fallon and Namjoon got really upset about it, he shook his head "no" and puffed out his cheeks and looked very unhappy about the whole situation. So there are times when they can get territorial about each other.

@@shaylee7256 I absolutely agree. I think there has been a change since MOTS:P. It seems to be easier to spot when members are in their FS character. NJ is clearly fed up with this situation, my take is that JM - as his partner - has reduced a lot of skinship with the other members precisely so as not to upset NJ. That is why, IMO, we can see the tension when the other is involved in a situation that fans can interpret according to their ship.

I have already done that, it's the video with the title of them living together. As for the tma video, I'm trying to put that in a video as well.

RM would not come out and say that they had boyfriends because of how their country feels about same sex couples, it would be a huge scandal and could ruin all of their careers. Minimoni have no choice but to keep their relationship secret until their country becomes more accepting of that kind of love. The one good thing about fan service is that it hides the real couples so that they can be together without being exposed.

@@shaylee7256 hola ,y gracias por contestar ,pero mira,así cómo nos damos cuenta de todo lo que hacen, ( una muestra, cuando salieron de la mano Jimin y RM después de la premiación) tú crees que el país entero no se da cuenta??? No sé si ves otros canales referente a Jungkook-Jimin ,Tae -Jungkook ,son super demostrativos y no han parado todo eso?? lo que pasa que ellos son manejamos por la industria y lucran con todo, al final da pena porque uno se entusiasma con alguno de ellos cómo pareja ,al final creo qué ninguno está junto y ya están para los 30 años,si estuvieran super enamorados saco a mi pareja del país y nos vamos a vivir donde no tengan problema, dinero y fama les sobra y pueden cantar en cualquier parte .Perdona por mi sinceridad y no quiero herir a nadie, es mi opinión personal ,ojalá esté equivocada,saludos

@@victoriariquelme7806 I don't think that they would leave the country because it is their home and their families live there and they are part of a group and something drastic like that would hurt all of the members.Just like gay people in America did not leave and move to other countries when they did not have rights before things changed here. If you look at footage way back to 2013 you will see that Minimoni had a special connection way back then. There is a reason why they bought those apartments together on the same day in a very private and exclusive complex so that they can live as a couple without worrying about prying eyes. If you pay attention to Namjoon you will see that he is always looking at Jimin and he treats Jimin differently than all of the other members. Also they have an intimate chemistry and look at each other with heart eyes and can get possessive with each other. Being very touchy with close friends is very acceptable and a normal thing to do in Korea so couples are able to touch each other under the disguise of just being friends, also I am sure that some people do see what is really going on and turn a blind eye to it because it benefits everyone if all of the members are seen as being straight even though the members drop little hints that they are not. Fan service is a big part of the K-pop world and all groups do it and everyone has to participate. The fans want to see their favorite ships together and the group does their best to keep them happy. But the over the top in your face stuff is fake, now the members do have a natural chemistry and special bond from being in a group for 10 years and they love and care for each other but it doesn't go beyond that. I don't think that Namjoon or Jimin is straight and if you watch the festa dinner and see just how hard Namjoon was crying about the rules of the world it is obvious that it hurt him all the way down to his soul. I believe that they have been a couple since the very beginning and are very much in love, but if you choose to see things differently than that is your choice.

@@victoriariquelme7806 Read the lyrics to the song Serendipity that Namjoon wrote for Jimin. It is a very personal love song written from the heart about an unconventional love, it is not a love song that could be for just anyone he wrote it for one specific person and that is Jimin. It talks about their love being destined by the universe and not a coincidence, it talks about them both being scared, he says "you are my angel ,my world, you saved me" take my hand and let's become a we, let me love you. It is not just some generic love song ,it tells the story of the love that they have for each other.

Maybe you are talking about when they were on a talkshow and were asked if anyone has a girlfriend and no one answered but a girl from the audience yelled, "Jimin!" And RM said motioned to Jimin and said, "Maybe HE does." It was a joke.

Now I wonder if that Park JM in Indigo's art team was really JM. The phrase "I'm just doing my best to help our namjoonie" might imply other moments - not on camera - during the design phase 🤯. Who knows...

I think that there is so much that happens with Minimoni off camera and we only get to see small glimpses here and there. But I do love how Jimin is always so supportive and loving with Namjoon.

Minimoni were adorable and clearly enjoying themselves and I love how Jimin always praises Namjoon and lifts him up, plus Jimin saying "Namjoon is like a single streak of light in the darkness" is so sweet and romantic and shows just how much he loves him.

@@alatiel4746 that is very interesting and it would be wonderful if it is Jimin and that he was able to contribute something to Indigo to show his support for his love.

@@alatiel4746 wondering the same...

@@Lara24142 hola, gracias por contestar, aunque yo lo haga en español, mira yo pregunté porqué salen videos de RM y Jimin de hace 4 a 3 años atrás, y eso me confunde ,porqué da la impresión q esa relación ya fue o todavía sigue , tú dices q tienen q ser cuidadosos, pero últimamente RM habla de JK ,Tae en fin de todos menos de Jimin ,otras veces pide apoyar a Jimin ahora nada ,y me hace mucho ruido y no me gusta qué siempre Suga está tan pendiente de Jimin. Realmente todo ésto confunde , a RM lo veo tan en su onda existencial de paz y amor q me confunde un poco ,es mi opinión personal ,puede q esté muy equivocada ,y ellos están felices en su forma de llevar su vida, ejemplo, JK prende vlive y habla de todo y se da el lujo de hablar hasta de Jimin y con un entusiasmo de oreja a oreja e inclusive cantó un pedazo de la última canción de Jimin y por eso los comentarios de JK y Jimin son parejas ,perdona tantas preguntas , me dio la impresión que tú sabes más y nos puedes aclarar algo q no nos hemos dado cuenta ,saludos

@@Lara24142 te pasaste ,gracias por tus aclaraciones, por lo q dices ,cuáles son las dudas q tienes de Minimoni , y porqué estás tan seguro qué están juntos ??? Si ves y lees te darás cuenta que nunca hablan de ellos y eso me causa ruido ,y lo otro qué me doy cuenta antes se abrazaban o habían gestos entre ellos ahora nada 🤷 en fin, porqué el fandon q tienen a Minimoni toma tomas más precisas de ellos y en los otros videos no sucede ,bueno gracias y saludos .

(What I write is based on personal considerations; I don’t know for sure whether JM and NJ are actually a couple, but the odds are in our favor.) Korean society is conservative and unfriendly to the lgbtqia+ community, and with the impending enlistment for military service I doubt the boys can openly express their sexual orientation (although most international fans would welcome the news, I don't know how local fans might react). Another limitation is that idols generally sign contracts stating that they cannot get engaged, so they cannot openly confirm that they have a possible partner. Taking these factors into consideration, I think they are hiding to protect their relationship. Fanservice, in addition to being part of the kpop industry, diverts attention to the eventual real relationship. Nj and Jm aren't partners in fanservice, so we will never see them interact openly, but in a subtle way (and I think this is where the evidence arises). Consider that whenever the cameras are on the boys, they are in work mode, so fanservice. In my timeline NJ and Jm have been a couple since 2015 (early 2016), although Jm has always expressed attraction to NJ. fanservice has gotten heavier between 2018/19, when they started being global and thus attracting more attention to them and inevitably more fans - who demanded interaction between the most popular ships. (I can't speak with certainty now, but by assumption). They have been in the industry for 10 years and possibly a couple for 7/8 years, they have grown as individuals and as a couple in the industry, so they know their way around. They function like a well-oiled old machine. I wouldn't worry if they don't interact openly as they do with the other group members because it's easier not to draw attention to themselves. I hope I have been helpful.

I translated my comment in spanish - not being my first language - I hope it is faithful to what I wrote in my comment above (Lo que escribo se basa en consideraciones personales; no sé con certeza si JM y NJ son realmente pareja, pero las probabilidades están a nuestro favor). La sociedad coreana es conservadora y poco amistosa con la comunidad lgbtqia+, y con el inminente alistamiento para el servicio militar dudo que los chicos puedan expresar abiertamente su orientación sexual (aunque la mayoría de las fans internacionales acogerían con agrado la noticia, no sé cómo reaccionarían las fans locales). Otra limitación es que los ídolos suelen firmar contratos que establecen que no pueden comprometerse, por lo que no pueden confirmar abiertamente que tienen una posible pareja. Teniendo en cuenta estos factores, creo que se esconden para proteger su relación. El fanservice, además de formar parte de la industria del kpop, desvía la atención de la posible relación real. Nj y Jm no son compañeros en el fanservice, así que nunca los veremos interactuar abiertamente, sino de forma sutil (y creo que aquí es donde surge la evidencia). Ten en cuenta que siempre que las cámaras enfocan a los chicos, están en modo trabajo, de ahí el fanservice. En mi línea de tiempo NJ y Jm han sido pareja desde 2015 (principios de 2016), aunque Jm siempre ha expresado atracción por NJ. El fanservice se ha vuelto más pesado entre 2018/19, cuando empezaron a ser globales y por lo tanto a atraer más atención hacia ellos e inevitablemente más fans-que demandaban interacción entre las naves más populares. (No puedo hablar con certeza ahora, pero por suposición). Llevan 10 años en la industria y posiblemente 7/8 años como pareja, han crecido como individuos y como pareja en la industria, así que conocen su camino. Funcionan como una vieja máquina bien engrasada. No me preocuparía si no interactúan abiertamente como lo hacen con los otros miembros del grupo porque es más fácil no llamar la atención. Espero haber sido útil.

@@Lara24142 That timeline is based on my considerations and for me they became a couple in those years (I can always be wrong and am open to discussion ☺). Right now the odds that they are a couple are in our favor, even if they don't openly show their relationship (honestly better this way: little attention, less risk of public exposure ).

I believe that, regardless of whether he has a partner or not, there would have been no traces during the filming of the vlog; to maintain the image of a single person. Honestly, I would have been surprised otherwise: if any traces of cohabitation were noticed 🤔

@@alatiel4746 It's true but at the same why he would want to show his house if he has something/ someone to hide, and the decoration is 100% Namjoon I don't see how anyone else could fit there

@@coumba5616 Let's always keep in mind that what we see is what THEY show us - considering the editing process -, he evidently felt comfortable showing the audience his typical day starting right from his apartment.. I personally have never taken "they live together" comment literally, because in fact there are two apartments. It makes sense that NJ's apartment reflects his own personality - and I suppose JM's his. However, sleepovers can happen ;)

I do believe that they live together, and it would only be natural to have personal things hidden away for filming purposes and that would include not only anything personal of Jimin's but also his own stuff. What we see isn't reality, it is only a version of the reality that they want you to see. He has to appear single for the sake of appearances because he is an idol and therefore cannot be in a relationship. I do believe that Jimin did decorate his own apartment to his personal taste but since they love being together that they actually live in Joon's apartment. Nothing that you see with BTS is 100 percent real, you get the edited version, there is no way that Joon would let us see the real him and expose himself in that way. Jimin does have his apartment, but I believe that it is used for friends and family and to cover for their relationship. There is a reason that they bought those apartments on the same day very close together, they took the time to plan everything out together to get exactly what they wanted. They themselves have said that they spend time together and do things together, considering the way that Korea views same sex relationships there is no way that they could buy one apartment together and therefore had to buy two for the sake of appearances.

The fact that they bought apartments together and go to and from places in the same car tells us that they are indeed a couple. Any kind of reality TV vlog that any of the members do is not real, it is edited to show us the story that they want to tell us. You are not actually seeing the real BTS, and only stuff that would be considered neutral would be allowed to be shown, you are not actually seeing their real life. Yes Jimin has his place and I am sure that it is decorated beautifully, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't live with Namjoon. They bought apartments in the ultra exclusive and private complex so that they can live as they want and seeing them together, there is no doubt that they are in love. It is possible that they could spend their time between both apartments, it is very obvious that they are happy together.

There is no threat to their relationship from the other members. If you watch footage from way back in 2013, you will see that Minimoni have always been together. If you are talking about JK I believe that he is in love with Jin. Just watch the two of them together and the chemistry that they have. In the 2016 Chuseok greeting you have JK lying against Jin with Jin's arms wrapped around JK in a complete couples pose and Jimin is wrapped possessively around Namjoon. Those are the real couples. Jimin only has heart eyes for Namjoon, yes he loves the other members and is affectionate with them but he is a very loving and nurturing individual. There is a reason that he and Namjoon bought apartment together on the same day, it is so that they can live together as a couple without being exposed. They always travel to and from the airport and events in the same car together and when they left the recent award ceremony they were holding hands. Anyone who watches Minimoni together can see two people who are deeply in love. Don't let fan service ships fool you, they are there to make the fans happy who enjoy particular pairings and they are there to hide the real couples. If you were insinuating that it is Yoongi that is just fan service, all K-pop groups require their members to participate in it.

It seems to me that you want Jimin to be with someone else and that you are trying to make people doubt Minimoni. Do you honestly believe that one of the other members would try to interfere with and hurt Minimoni's relationship? All of the members love and support each other so that would never happen, besides Jimin is in love with Namjoon and there is nothing or anyone who could change that. You do realize that anything that is over the top and in your face is for entertainment only and isn't real. There is no way that they could be a group for ten years unless they trusted and respected each other completely. Jimin is a nurturer by nature, and he is very warm and compassionate towards everyone. He has said himself that he is like a koala, and he loves to hug and cuddle, and while he loves the members in the group and has close relationships with them, he is not "in love" with them, the only one who has his heart is Namjoon. There is a reason why Jimin bought apartments with Namjoon and not anyone else, this tells us that they are in a very committed relationship and watching them together, I don't see how anyone could doubt that.

What sumiu?

@@chelm203 it's gone

@@Thvedits__ oh I meant.. what is gone? I don't understand...

@@chelm203 oh my god, forget it.