their placement would have been even worse with the new judging)

Not even top 5 for me. They made multiple errors in both of the compulsory dances, they had the easiest OD out of all the couples in the top 10, and this free dance was skated entirely hand to hand or side by side. And as Tracy Wilson would often say in the commentary box (except for Canadian teams that she personally liked it seemed), it's a lot easier to skate that way as opposed to skating within more complex handholds.

im not saying they should have won, they had flaws . to my mind silver or bronze, but their abilities shouldn't have been lost in the mix of judging misconduct

@@chantalseguin5024 Bourne/Kraatz already had lost the medal there from first compulsories. The golden waltz and tango had visible errors (Victor didn't execute his counters; Shae Lynn didn't twizzle) but the major mistake happened at the OD dance, the jive. The lack of content of the entire dance, the huge mistake in the final lift (Shae Lynn touching the ice during dismount and stumble) and also, the poor technique in edges in the few steps they did, were generously marked (3rd in the segment) but still judges denied them a climb in the ranks. They arrived here knowing the scenario to expect and why. And also skated with details that justify their absent in podium. Look at the holdings, done completely side by side and not variations in edges. In some parts they lost unison (look at the first and second step sequences) and also, there's no enough speed despite the nature of the content. You can look at this angle kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d5yZoJx2zautYn0.html Shae Lynn hit the board during this performance after losing control in the first steps so, they had lost the medal anyway.

@@rolandgreen7484 Yup. Tracy could really be a piece of work sometimes.

Teams like Torvill & Dean and Grishuk & Platov were skating rock n roll years earlier.

They skated this entire free dance hand to hand or side by side which also highlighted their less than great unison.

lol)) ISU rule book said that skating within close dance holds positions are more difficult than skating side by side. So, one team has a dance skated almost entirely side by side and it is marked (for some reason) actually higher than the teams that showcased required and more difficult dance holds. Is it unfair? Yes, only this unfairness was toward Anisina \Peizerat' free dance and not toward Bourne and Kraatz'. On top of it, there were 2 previous parts of the competition in which Bourne and Kraatz also weren't better than the competitors (particularly in OD which was just terrible). So how could there be any complaints about judging?

Rigged judging for sure.

Just because something simple is good executed, doesn't mean that it deserves medal.

They consistently skate everything either hand to hand or side by side. I can't see how the judges could give them good marks for skating like that when you consider the lack of content.

@@gk891 Lmao clown

@@mariel4085 What did I say that was incorrect?

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Definitely agree. Way too much of this dance was skated side by side.

I think part of the problem was their coaching. When B&K showed up to the 1995 Worlds with Klimova & Ponomarenko as their coaches, I thought their improvement was very evident. But shortly after those worlds, they split with K&P and started skating under Natalia Dubova instead. And I think that was a big mistake because they regressed very badly after that. Dubova was probably the greatest ice dance coach in the late 80s and early 90s but her empire started to crumble after being at the helm of that ugly situation with not only Klimova & Ponomarenko but also Usova, Zhulin, Grishuk, Platov, Navka, and Gezalian. Her work started to become more and more disappointing afterwards. And with time, she sort of became irrelevant. Her last contribution to ice dance that I recall was leading Chait & Sakhnovsky to a super-controversial and IMO very undeserved bronze medal at the 2002 Worlds.

@@gk891 the fact that Dubova did not train as well in Canada as she did in SSSR could also be due to the fact that she may have worked with some great assistant coach back home, but this coach stayed back. Most of the other Russian teams she brought with her abroad were already with good basic skating skills, but Bourne and Kraatz needed exactly these basic skills from her. Well, and all this drama with Zhulin did not help either....

@@MsRumex That was definitely part of it (her assistant coaches). And the drama with Zhulin definitely did not help! I also think watching both Klimova & Ponomarenko and Grishuk & Platov leave her and become Olympics champions under different trainers may have been the final nail in the coffin for her.

Hardly. They made multiple errors in both compulsory dances, they had the easiest OD out of all of the couples in the top 10 (plus she fell over at the end on the back somersault), and this free dance was skated entirely side by side. I had them at around 6th place.

@@gk891 everyone knows there was collusion between the French and Russian judges. its public knowledge.

@@chantalseguin5024 So i guess for people like you, all of Bourne & Kraatz's errors in both compulsory dances (they made 3 in the Golden Waltz and 6 in the Argentine Tango) and their complete and utter lack of content in the OD and FD should be disregarded. And besides, the alleged collusion with the French judge supposedly happened in the pairs event at the 2002 Olympics. And if there was a collusion, it brought about a better result because Bourne & Kraatz had no business being anywhere near the podium. They should've been outside of the top 5 being that they were the only team that could not skate their counters or twizzles properly in the compulsories and their OD and FD had almost zero content.

@@gk891 yes for people like me and all the rest with common sense.

@@chantalseguin5024 I wasn't aware that unfairly awarding a team like Bourne & Kraatz a medal in spite of making multiple errors and skating programs with no content was common sense.

Un programme propre bien exécuté mais pas si original et pas tant de difficultés que cela. Pas d'émotions, pas de vibrations.

Jimmy Seraphin, what do you mean?

@@marysylvie2012 That B&K should not have placed 3rd in the free dance ahead of A&P. B&K should have placed much lower in the FD due to the lack of content.

En effet. Penser que ce programme plaisant mais très moyen a été placé devant le chef d'oeuvre d'A/P, c'est rude.

This sport has rules and skating side by side always was considered much easier than skating in closed dance holds facing each other. So, taking this into consideration, how could they have been robbed? Besides, competition had 3 parts. And they had extremely weak OD in that season and weren't the best in Compulsory dances. So, how could anyone expect to win if neither of their CD, OD or FD is the beet and most difficult ?

ну не знаю для кого она образец ирланского танца. Тут слишком много катания друг возле друга , да и нет реберности. В общем такой себе образец (другие пары (как по мне) в разы лучше адаптировали ирландские танцы к фигурному катанию (именно с учетом всех сложностей последнего) чем они

Да, согласна. Их очень хвалили, возможно, за обязательные танцы. Решила посмотреть. Всё как-то неубедительно: и скорость, и хореография, и синхрон. Нет харизмы в танце. В скольжении не разбираюсь, но когда вижу Грищук-Платова, чувствую разницу. Уникальная пара, необыкновенные!

@@user-ib6ir9pn2t обязательные танцы у них тоже не очень были. Хотя они и перешли к Дубовой, которая считалась замечательным тренером именно техники и обязательных танцев (те же Климова и Пономаренко, которых она воспитала, или Платов) но и она не смогла сделать обязательные танцы канадской пары хорошими. Да, реберность у них была всегда хорошей, но все остальное было так себе . Ну и почти все пары Дубовой не отличались большой скоростью - не было ее и у канадцев. Правда когда они к Тарасовой перешли (в 2000 кажись) - они стали лучше и быстрее. Не скажу что супер- но лучше чем они когда либо были. Ну а хвалила их родная канадская пресса. И мне кажется перехвалила и захвалила. И еще, мне кажется, им не пошел в прок тот факт, что они скоро стали бронзовыми призерами ЧМ (который в канаде тогда проходил). Они как то остановились в развитии после этого (а вот их тогдашние конкуренты (Анисина и Пейзера) наоборот с каждым годом прибавляли -и в том олимпийском сезоне просто не оставили судьям никакого шанса не дать им бронзу

@@MsRumex спасибо Вам большое за подробный ответ. Так хочется, чтобы у наших современных танцевальных пар были такие же техника и драйв, как у Грищук-Платова. Но, конечно, у каждой пары своё лицо... И тренер.

Lol). This dance maybe "good " but to be medal contender it has to be DIFFICULT. Unfortunately, it wasn't difficult enough. Together with very very simple OD , mistakes in CD that they made, any kind of medals would have been not deserved