If you look over ALL the lore, there is nothing about Radahn replying to Miquella... AT ALL.

ALSO, I have something else, you know the music that they used for Miquella in the DLC Trailers, I CALLED IT AGAIN, it's his Boss Theme in his Second Phase! JUST like in the Main Game, I didn't see the trailers for it, but, the Theme in the Main Menu, SAME as Radagon's Theme in HIS Boss Fight, but, that most everyone know that already, LOL! MAN, I just LOVE, I called the DLC Trailer music, IS Miquella's Boss Theme! When THAT Theme gets going, after the beginning, it just SOUNDS like Final Boss Theme quality! And, Thank You, for your replies earlier, man, I was REALLY close, BOTH of us almost called the whole DAMN THING!🥰

@marystone860 you really did!! I didn’t notice if I’m being honest, but now I see it and it’s so cool! This dlc really is the bloody best? You don’t need to thank me :)

Also, I’d point out that Radahn has to be killed before accessing the DLC so that he can be reborn, so I doubt his soul was stolen. Furthermore, Miquella could have enchanted Radahn before he left, making the entirety of the Malenia fight pointless. We already know that he can bewitch a demigod, even with a great rune; though we DO know that Radahn’s rune corrupted him. My theory is that he wasn’t bewitched, but he left Miquella because the rune caused him to be consumed by bloodlust

@@marystone860 It does not sound evil or sinister one bit though. The one thing I disagree with about this take, is that Miquella is evil. Evil is defined by intent, and his intentions are not malicious, even if some of his actions are.

I agree, he truly thinks he’s just in his actions! I hadn’t thought of it like that, but you’re right! He really never did mature from that child’s mind

I saw another comment that put it well 'Eternal Youth means eternal naivety'. Miquella had good intentions but that child like view twisted all his actions and led him down this path. He gave up all the parts of himself in an attempt to cleanse himself from sin, a naivee approach that forgets those sins are inseperable from the things worth protecting.

​@@theemeraldgecko310 Also have that dialogue that says "in both body and mind, miquella is cursed as a child" (I'm paraphrasing but it was new to the DLC)

@Dbonesburneraccount toxic compassion. Loving the world so much, he seeks to flatten it under his loving boot.

@6arakinap3d0 you’re right! God the dialogue in this dlc really is next level?

Good point! I was probably stretching at that point!

@theemeraldgecko310 good video though either way 👏

I believe the meteor that opens a hole on the map so you can access the underground area (after beating Radahn) is probably Radahn’s soul heading to Mogh’s palace going to the shadow Realms. I think Malenia almost killed him but it wasn’t able to. The Tarnished finished the job. Also I think Malenia is them only One who isn’t on Miquella’s Spell. I think because she’s his protector since he spent a long time trying to cure her.

This.

I definitely agree with this, it would have added such an interesting level to godwyns character, finally released from his monstrous form only for free will to have been taken. Saying that though, the fact Melania whispers in radahns ear in the story trailer from before even the game released, and considering the importance of that, imo it shows this wasn’t something that was rushed :)

yeah, I didn't see anyone saying that about Miquela, it's literally all Radahn

My husband really really wanted to fight miquella. I was obsessing over radahns hair turning from red to gold. 😢 He loved his hair

@@theemeraldgecko310 I dont understand why anyone would want godwyn back? The entire horror and theme of his story is about a horrible place between life and death that CANNOT be fixed. If he could be ressurcted and brought back in any sense it would completely destroy the entire narrative and theme he exists to represent.

I mean, I see the resemblance. Granted, even without the so-called charms, Miquella was able to inspire genuine loyalty anyway due to his goals being something people can sympathize with. In that sense, he's more akin to a charismatic political leader. And the perfume does seem to be more in line with inspiring primordial sexual urges and desire to procreate/be intimate with rather than "love" which is a more complex term than just yknow, pink notecards, flirtations, and sex. Some definitions of the term are as simple as "wanting someone to succeed" which was how I believe catholic philosopher Thomas Aquinas defined the term. Desires for possession, attention, etc. as demonstrated within the novel(as they literally tear him apart and eat him) is not too dissimilar from hedonism rather than a genuine sense of altruism and understanding(arguably the two most crucial aspects of true love) as it is done for THERE own pleasures and/or personal goals. Something that apparently extends to the virginity of the different girls Jean Baptiste kills as well. But I guess that's the point. Jean Baptiste and I guess Miquella always struggled to inspire TRUE and genuine love.

Idk, I don’t think believing that everyone can get along is childish. If anything adults being childish is the reason everyone cannot get along. Murdering other people because you cannot control them may seem adult but it’s really just the easiest path through. Which is what every god has done en masse in this game besides Miquella who keeps it to a minimum and it at least trying to pull the land between out of its war cycle. Which let’s not forget it why the landbetween is the way it is. So if everyone else can do the scorch the ground method why are we demonizing Miquella for mind control that you don’t even notice.

I feel so stupid lmoooo mb dude

@@theemeraldgecko310 tbf they ARE both present in the Radahn Festival

@MrPatchy248 yeah but still lmao. I doubled checked things made sure I didn’t make an oopsie like I’ve done before AND IT WAS THE HORSE I SCREWED UP ON

Ah, so it was a mistake. I was so confused lol

@@Tarnished_Onryo massive mistake Lmfao

I completely get where you’re coming from and I agree, not to mention the young lion set which reinforces you’re point…

Bruh, Radahn's remembrance literally states: ''In their childhood, Miquella saw in Radahn a lord. His strength, and his kindness, that stood in stark contrast with their afflicted selves.'' Getting to wage a global war so your sexy half-bro can become a god and you his Elden Lord (something we know for a fact he wanted) to make the world a gentler place is literally an ideal scenario for a kind warmonger like Radahn. He gets to fight all the evil bastards like the Godskins and Black Knives and Blackflame Monks and Blasphemers and the tyrannical Golden Order he once already besieged alone, all to make a more compassionate era. That's 100% in character for him. Stop pretending he was a mindless warmonger. What Miquella specifically loved about Radahn was that he was kind in addition to his strength. From what we can tell, only Godwyn and Radahn held those attributed among all the demigods.

@@TheStraightestWhitest Nah, Radahn loved battle. He would not agree to a future without battle, or conflict. He doesn't get to fight in the age of compassion, that's the point. It's not a more compassionate era, it's an era dominated by forced compassion. Radahn would also not agree to an age without free will. His independence is a big part of his character. He does what he thinks is right, instead of what will benefit him the most. Miquella is like communism, sounds great, the intentions are noble, but the reality is far different, far worse than what's imagined. His compassion is not really compassion, as it ends up hurting, or fundamentally altering what he's trying to protect.

​@@TheStraightestWhitest Tbh, while I'm definitely open to the theory of Radahn being in on this, I'm not particularly convinced. For one, not once do we actually get his perspective, whether it's the present or past version of him. We meet him face to face twice and he's clearly not himself either time. We actually don't have the slightest clue on how Radahn felt about Miquella- in that, Miquella certainly *acts* like he promised to be his consort out of his own volition- but other than this single implication based on Miquella's word (so excuse me if I don't take it as hard fact, with his disregard for people's c*nsent) there's nothing in Radahn's lore to suggest he returned his feelings. Even when we get to see the moment Miquella asked Radahn to be his consort we never got to hear his answer. We mostly get to know Radahn through the eyes of other people, and their accounts of who he was as a person and what he wanted can be conflicting. According to what we know of him in the base game, he was a warrior nerd since he was a kid, his greatest passion was becoming a noble warrior with feats to rival those of his idols, he had his men's adoration and an undeniably more sensitive side to him as seen with Leonard. According to Messmer's lore, we're told Radahn used to look up to him when they were young but the implication is that he no longer did when they grew older, likely when Messmer took up Marika's cr*sade (why, occasionally characterized as an "endless w*r" in-game, even) painting him as someone who doesn't just care about fighting but about the nobility of the cause behind it (which is also in keeping with his "noble and strong" characterization and a pattern in the warriors he admired). According to (former) Redmane Freyja however- whose word I wouldn't necessarily treat as fact either since she's sipping the Miquella koolaid now- "endless w*r" at Miquella's side is what she conveniently thinks would suit Radahn best- which is certainly in keeping with the "w*rmonger" characterization, but not with the "kind" part. According to Miquella, it's Radahn's kindness that made him desirable in the first place, but "age of compassion" and "not a mindless w*rmonger" do not mix with "endless w*r". It makes sense that they do for Miquella- with his childlike understanding of compassion and prosperity- but Radahn can't have both. He can't be a gentle person and noble warrior *and* down for an age of endless w*r, even if he- yes- does indeed love to battle. Starscourge!Radahn and Consort!Radahn may share the same core traits of compassion and strength, but they seem to lean more heavily on one respectively. Something in all this doesn't quite add up and I think it's by design. And then there are a slew of other questions. If Radahn willingly promised to be Miquella's consort, shouldn't he *want* to reunite with him in the Land of Shadow? But if so, why make Miquella wait to the point Malenia had to attempt to forcefully collect him in his name? Why did he cling to life so desperately to hold back the stars and stall fate with the last of his strength (which messed up Miquella’s plans btw, so much for Radahn being on board with them) through *llness and m*dness, battle after battle if he had a lover and the never-ending w*r he supposedly yearned for waiting for him on the other side? Why did he build his castle in Caelid, about as far away from the Haligtree as one can get? If he is where he wanted to be all along at the end, why does he look like an emotionless husk of a person who won't even speak when he's finally at Miquella's side? We know from personal experience that Miquella uses magic to charm people by stealing their hearts and the circlet he uses to do it doesn't seem to be new; there's a (in retrospect ominous) statue in Loretta's arena that depicts him wearing it while embracing two children- who I'm pretty sure are Malenia and Radahn. Is it really that much of a stretch to theorize that Radahn might have well been one of the people he put under his spell when it perfectly explains the dissonance in his characterization? Yes, it's still a possibility that Radahn reciprocated Miquella's feelings, but I would also like to point out that they were actual children when they supposedly took the vow- even if there wasn't any heart-stealing involved. In this context- to me- this vow reminds me of that little child who declares they love you most and will marry you when they grow up and you- being older- humor them because you think it's adorable and pure. Maybe it was never that deep for Radahn even if he agreed, but Miquella- cursed to be a child forever- never outgrew this version of himself or their promise. I doubt they were fully aware of what that vow entailed at the time. Or maybe Radahn could have agreed to be his consort, but seeing that Miquella isn't going to uphold his end of the vow (make the world a gentler place) he turned away from him and held the stars back to prevent Miquella's ascension and their marriage from coming to pass. I also feel like "Ranni needs the stars in motion to escape an undesirable betrothal and fate while Radahn needs them to stop to escape his" is exactly the kind of ironic parallel Miyazaki would go for. “Well-intentioned but immature forever-child tries to bring an era of peace that is actually nightmare fuel as he forces his crush into loving him" just feel a lot more like a FromSoft narrative than "Radahn and Miquella masterminded the whole thing". Not to mention, Miyazaki wears his Berserk inspirations on his sleeve and from that standpoint the parallels between Miquella and Griffith- complete with their obsession with a beefy, exceptionally talented warrior with hidden depths- support this theory further, but tbf this is all conjecture. At the end of the day that's intentional, since they purposely omit Radahn's perspective in all this. I'm just going with what feels more likely to me personally. *Guys I'm so sorry for the stupidly censored words, YT just keeps flagging this comment and I'm so done trying to figure out exactly which of these words flew too close to the sun for their dumb policy*

You are right about some things but Radahn could not have conquered the LB. He tried, but he failed, as he got defeated by Morgott and his army and couldnt take Leyndell

That's the most terrifying part, he thinks he is right and so he gives no head to anything else..

@@theemeraldgecko310 what he did was necessary

@@Corazon-6 what part was necessary?

Miquella did nothing wrong.​@@Corazon-6

@@theemeraldgecko310he’s eternally a child. Its like he wants to do something with pure intention, but goes out of his way doing everything wrong

He’s a cold asshole. I hadn’t clicked it WAS MELANIA WHO HE WAS MENTIONING!!! But you make such great points I just end up hating him more and more

This dude really wanted his brother thats family love on a whole different level

@@kingaj06 dudes a mega brother lover

Miquella NEVER deserved Malenia for a Twin Sister!

​@@marystone860facts #justiceformalenia

But lore wise it didn't matter that is was Miquella, he just needed a stronger faith to make a demi god into a puppet then a normal being. Miquellas is just the one we find, but I believe any would have been sufficient.

Kids are cruel Jack

That’s actually really a great point!

@@davesthrowawayacc1162 And I’m VERY in touch with my inner child. To clear up the pointless arguing below, miquella is cursed with eternal stagnation, he will never complete anything he starts: His plans, His future, His development of body and mind. None will ever come to pass for that is his curse

Sundowner Miquella would be rad, not gonna lie

I thought cruelty meant having no concern for the suffering of others, in Miquellas case his empathy is the reason why he's willing to hurt so many to achieve what he thinks is a better world

Thank you so much! I can totally see where you’re coming from on the Radahn point. On the Melania point, imo when she says Fearsome it felt to me like it was in reverence not fear!

@@theemeraldgecko310 totally, just saying that she can perceive miquella as dangerous, like, he is not weak or anything like that. She acknowledges miquella as the most fearsome empyrian, meaning he is to be feared because of how strong he actually is (she obviulsy says it in admiration of his brother). I don't think any other character talks about miquella that way (only malenia and ansbach I think, although ansbach is really afraid of miquella)

@@hallij9477 They're both evil cosmic midwits. Ranni's "freedom" is to make everything cloudy and hard to understand, which will just result in worldwide tribal warfare as people suffer and believe whatever they want. Miquella's "age of compassion" is just to force everyone to believe the same things by conquest and brainwashing. There's no "good" in Elden Ring, just varying shades of "bad" and "worse".

Agreed. What Ranni did to godwyn is arguably more horrific than mogh and radahn imo. Godwyn is a husk damned to spread like a plague for eternity.

​@@ghoulboardsits not. Godwyn's soul is completely dead, so he cant suffer. Meanwhile, same is not true for either Mohg or Radahn, meaning they prolly suffer underneath and do things against their will

@@justhair17 this is a philosophical slippery slope considering a soul is not well defined nor agreed upon. In the same idea, current Radahn effectively doesn't have one either if he was stripped of all freewill and is just a shell for Miquella's control.

​@@justhair17Mohg's soul is gone. Miquella didn't need it, so it met the same fate as Morgott. We can't say for certainty if Radahn was opposed to Miquella, either. Godwyn is GONE, not even able to be reborn. His soul was obliterated with no chance of rebirth or reincarnation. How is that any better?

It really tells you everything you need to know about Miquella that I wouldn’t even be surprised

Much better summation. It over simplifies it to think that miquella was just a mustache twirling villain the whole time. Also, It cracks me up how anyone can look at the finger maiden murdering blood worshipping apostle mohg is a good guy 😂

@@toomeyeh1 Exactly. In thinking Miquella was always like this from the start again makes him entirely too one dimensional. Like I said before, I think Miquella going through so many failures led to his morals of kindness and compassion being warped. When he failed Malenia and Godwyn, it must of deeply traumatized him. So he must of tried to find solace and help in Radahn and somehow this led to him coming up with the plans he did. Then my theory is Radahn must have betrayed him, he found out about Merika’s misdeeds, and then decided to put a plan together to kill two birds with one stone. Radahn was the only person left that Miquella believed he could save and like I said before the Miquella we see in godhood is most likely nothing like the person that he was before failing his sister and Godwyn, then being most likely betrayed by Radahn, on top of learning of his mothers original misdeeds. It also makes me wonder if Miquella even knew about what happened to the Shaman Village and why Merika did what she did in the first place. The village is both well hidden and there is no cross left in the area by Miquella. So I think he honestly thought his mother hated the hornsent, on top of the Omen/Crucible/Misbegotten, only because the Golden Order willed it. Not because she had a personal vendetta. Again I do not believe Miquella is right, but I understand his motives and why he did the things he did. Thinking he was always just some, evil, heartless, bastard, truly takes away from his character as a whole. He lost everyone he cared about and failed at everything he tried to accomplish in saving them. So him becoming obsessed with keeping Radahn by his side at any cost doesn’t surprise me one bit.

Only things I disagree with is Miquella wanting Godwyn as consort (literally nothing implies it), and Radahn changing his mind on marrying Miquella (again, nothing implies it, and some things outright contradict it). Radahn and Miquella were young when they made their vows. The Collapsing Stars spell states this: ''A gravitational technique mastered by the young Radahn. "I thank you for your tutelage, for now I can challenge the stars."'' It specifically says the ''Young Radahn''. Miquella remakes Radahn's body from just before he became the Starscourge as said by his new blades, so this means Radahn made his vow to Miquella around the same time he halted the stars. It's even possible that he halted the stars BEFORE vowing to marry Miquella, and in fact that would make more sense as this means it does not contradict his fate to marry Miquella. Nothing in the game says he did this to halt his fate. In fact, that doesn't even work, because we kill the guy, and thus he marries Miquella. If his fate was halted, that wouldn't be possible, unless like I said, he halted the stars prior to vowing to marry, which is honestly the only possibility left. Radahn halted the stars to protect Sellia. The Sellia Sword Monument states it outright. Ranni's fate being held in stasis was collateral damage. That said, I'm glad people are calling out the whole ''evil mastermind puppeteering Griffith ripoff'' Miquella bullshit. That's definitely not what they were going for. One listen to The Promised Consort OST tells you enough. It's sheer joyous celebration ascending into beautiful divine orchestra. None of that screams sinister or evil in any way. Wanna hear evil? Listen to Midra's OST. Anyone who thinks Radahn is a controlled flesh puppet and Miquella an evil puppetmaster needs to do that and then come back to listen to Radahn's & Miquella's. I bet they'll change their minds right quick on what evil sounds like, LMAO!

I agree. I think Miquella truly had the best intentions for everyone in mind. But went insane and used some odd strategies in order to have his age come into fruition. And I believe Radahn may have agreed to be his consort as long as he died in an honorable battle, I first thought this because of his name: “PROMISED consort” as in he promised to be his consort after he dies. And malenia whispers what she said to remind him of what he has promised.

Thank you for this take! Honestly the game through and through from all the characters tells us about all the characters tragedy is that they want better world while sacrificing so much they lose themselves in the the process. But i disagree with you on one thing here the thing is Miquellas fate was never was of a godhood In the trailer we know that st trina was his fate and she was opposed to godhood. I believe if Mogh didn't kidnapped Miq from Haligtree he would went through whole metamorphosis and being a saint? There fore becoming one with his other part.

Thank you! Another comment mentions something along these lines and honestly it makes so much sense and I agree, he really never did hit puberty and mature!

Hell is paid with good intentions.

People keep saying he is a child but isn't he like a thousand year old demigod?

@princeofpoverty4063 I totally get what you mean and agree to an extent, what I think they mean by that, is although he’s 1000+ years old, he still has the mind of a child as he wasn’t allowed to mature. Idk that’s just my interpretation of what they mean :)

@@theemeraldgecko310 that's how I thought his cursed worked. That no matter how much time passes or whatever he tried he would eternally be young both physically and mentally. Makes me wonder if his curse is broken after he steps out of the Divine Gateway or if he's trapped as the Eternal Young God.

Poor bloke

@@davesthrowawayacc1162 my take is that Mohg is still a bit creepy. I think when Miquella bewitches someone he is forcing affection and compassion not the kind of love like "share a bloody bedchamber". I'm happy Mohg beat his allegations and he's definitely A victim but I still feel iffy about him. TLDR: Imagine a PDF File being mind controlled by a eternally young boy, maybe thats why Miquella was fine using him and Recycling his body for a better soul. I think if given the opportunity the Moghlester would Moghlest the Miquellester.

Not so innocent, he ran a murder cult 💀

Nah Mohg was still gonna use him, miquella just bewitched him when Mohg tried to kidnap him.

@@Mohgenstein This is backed up by the fact that nothing about Miquella's powers suggests he can force behaviours, only feelings. He compels affection. So while he can likely make others love him, he cannot choose what they do thereafter. Their actions are still their own. Mohg's actions still showed his character. He was possessive and selfish and obsessive.

Agreed! Evil Mofo lmao

Frenzy burns both body and soul which is why torrent is scared to enter the abysal woods and why he dies in the lord of frenzy flame ending

Ranni comes third here. She's not taking away identities of people, but takes their future. To replace everything in the Lands Between with a different world ruled by the moon.

@your_neko completely agree she’s almost as bad as Miquella!

@your_neko thing is that Rani doesn't even become a god to the people, Rani just leaves. She let's the people to their own devices soo not exacly a good thing but not a bad one either.

EVERYONE CALLED ME CRAZY

@@theemeraldgecko310 pretty privilege is real.

ALLEGATIONS BEATEN

Thanks so much! I really pity St trina, I was under the impression she would be evil, but she’s such a sad character, haven’t took off her flower piece since I got it 🥲

yall realize they are the same character , right? how can you say Miquella is devoid of love, he litterally got rid of his love (foolishly) to try and bring about the age of compassion. sure he did it all wrong, but he tried to make the world a better place. i dont get why yall r hating on him so muhc, consodering its a world wiht litteral genocidal dictator gods lmao

@@orestis444 This. Miquella's attempts were misguided. Either sacrifice countless souls to become a God, or sacrifice yourself, including your love. Either way, you won't be ''The Kind'' anymore, because kind people don't commit genocide, and kind people have love and empathy. Whatever path Miquella took, Godhood would be his prison as St. Trina says. But he is not evil.

@@orestis444literally lol

@orestis444 I guess it really is down to speculation but worth discussing the difference: are demigod identities different people in the same body or are they PARTS of the same person? You present that they are parts and that traits are more aligned with the entity than the identity. Identities being miquella and st Trina and the entity being Miquella the demigod ofc. I don't know though it seems radagon and marika are entirely different people or consciousness to me. I don't know that but if we follow that logic I think it's entirely possible that st Trina is the ONLY source of empathy miquella ever held if he's been so willing to manipulate people especially within the DLC once st Trina was discarded. I know that's a lot but I'd love to hear what you think about their separation or oneness.

He really is, how can you make a world based on something you cannot even begin to imagine it

Such an age can't be born from such a loveless god.

It's bad writing

@@Maxwell-mb7xn😂😂😂

@JamesTheTurnbull very true!!

Miquella’s little comfort doll…

We do know Miquella has a soft spot for those blood relatives... 💀

I really like this theory and I definitely can see it! We give him the sweet release of death thinking we’re freeing him… I assume those at redmane assume the same…

Miyazaki really out here using Miquella’s great rune 😭🙏

Should have had a third phase where miquella becomes a femto like monster

@anarche4900 would have been so cool!

@@anarche4900 But he isn't one.

I agree, but considering everything we know now, whose to say he was in control?

Ill take the unapologetic genocidal part of mohg over the miquellested mohg

@crimmycat117 I mean even that part might not been him!

@@theemeraldgecko310 ...His lore. There are several items that depict this even when he was still in the sewers. Miquella has nothing to do with Mohg's insanity and the formless mother. Miquella probably didn't even cause the kidnapping (why would the mastermind need to be kidnapped from his own home?), he just took advantage of it. Mohg is a monster, as is...just about everyone in power in this setting.

But not godwyn. He is kind, appear good, strong. Before he become the force of nature ofc

@@alifhafizbinjasni5644 We don’t know anything about Godwyn except what other untrustworthy characters tell us. Who’s to say Godwyn the Golden was any better than Miquella the Kind?

Miquella the monster is by far the best title I’ve seen given to him! I’m of the same thought, definitely think the mohgwyn dynasty was more peaceful a long time before Miquella’s emergence!

Great point! I hadn’t thought of that part but you’re right!!

But why would Miquella want her to release her rot? Most of his character in the base game was relating to him trying to cure his sister of the rot, why would he abandon fundamentalism and make unalloyed gold just for him to undo all of it by telling her to do that?

@@trulybarr5341 his plan> curing her rot. Order had to be at all costs

@guilttv2031 definitely, really did wish that Miquella wanted to truly cure Melania

Radahn never said no. Their battle was part of the vow.

MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD

it is either that or the Dark Moon. dont see how the other endings fit. you just sit on the throne and the sky changes. i prefere the Dark Moon ending. Order so far removed you wont even notice it.

Sorry but this is my head cannon name now

God I hadn’t thought of it like this, Jesus this game is bloody dark! Thanks so much!!

Oooo I like this!

@@theemeraldgecko310 Also notice his eyes, why are they glowing yellow? It seems that Miquella merely transformed the corpse of Mohg and its physical appearance to resemble Radahn - while controlling it himself We see Radahn using Light/Holy incantations, but since when has he learned those? It’s all Miquella’s incantations which implies it’s Miquella in their, not Radahn

⁠​⁠@@apollodivineto be fair radahns soul is in the body so part of him might be there it’s just being controlled by miquella to do what he wants He also uses gravity magic in the fight and since miquella isn’t stated to know any gravity magic we’d have to assume that it comes from radahn

@@Tkyokingyeah he doesn’t use any holy incantations until the second phases where Miquella rides piggy back a la Lorian and Lothric. The entire first phases is all gravity and… one blood incant lol which is a bit of a missed opportunity

@@apollodivine Radahn's eyes were always glowing yellow, actually. Take a look back at the trailer fight with Malenia or his starscourge ingame model. Glowing yellow the whole time.

100%!!!

If I choose to be evil, I don't have to be a programmer anymore?

I like pommes in my mund

@@theemeraldgecko310 Miquella THE MAD. Also Eternal Youth.... in all things, he is still a immature brat.

@@obazu3727 exactly, let the evil ai do it all 😌

The very worst kind!

Wow! That’s an amazing detail, I need to get round to reading Beserk haven’t yet!!

I was gonna comment on this thinking “ah good points to be fair”, then that line hit and it became 19 times better lmao

I mean Ansbach seemed like a reasonable guy. His goal is noble, he's not mad that you killed his lord, maybe Mohg's dynasty was more noble before Miquella began controlling him?

@@heinrich4208 Well Mogh's dynasty in general was disguised as warm an inviting, look at Varre, he too is very polite and helps you at the beginning, pointing you in the direction to go. Keep in mind that his dynasty is based on his communion with the formless mother, a blood god, and involves invading and killing other tarnished. It's unlikely that this bloodlust has anything to do with Miquella since that doesnt add up with his goals at all. So basically Mogh, despite not being a diddler, he is still on a similar level of evil to Rykard.

@@bombthing This take genuinely annoys me. By "better", you mean murderously serving Miquella's ends. They weren't inactive, they were just channeling their destructive energies toward killing Miquella's enemies, like the residual hornsent who were still trying to retake their ancestral home, or trying to protect Enir-Ilim, and Rellana and her Carian outpost. Hornsent would have murdered Messmer whether or not he was mesmerized. They were not "good" when Miquella had a hold of them. They just weren't disorganized.

@@rclaws3230 The followers of Miquella did not become murderous zealots of him following being charmed. Hornsent and Leda were murderous before they were charmed, Ansbach and Freyja were actively trying to figure out stuff about their lords before getting charmed and would have had to get to the shadow keep to get their answers, which requires killing Rellana since they cant use spiritsprings. Not to mention Ansbach certainly killed a lot of people in the name of Mogh. Moore and Thiollier can't be summoned for any boss before the charm breaks. So they werent charmed into being ruthless murderers. All followers of Miquella in the dlc were either already violent and stayed violent, were violent and became less violent, or werent violent and stayed non violent. No one became more violent under the charm. On top of that, Miquella had no beef with the dancing lion or the tower folk, in fact he was considered their savior. I cant imagine why he would want the Carians dead either.

That’s a good point to be fair! There’s points to be made for both! My interpretation was this action was Miquella’s doing, he’s supposedly bewitching mohg, we know “mohg” drenched Miquella’s body in blood, the same cocoon that now allows transport to the land of shadows… I don’t know, maybe I’m reaching but seems to me like this is Miquella’s doing!

@@theemeraldgecko310 Ah, but Mogh encountered the Formless Mother deep underground (presumably where the Omen siblings were shackled). So I think Mogh created his dynasty before Miquella enchanted him, so that his god has worshipers. And the Formless Mother craves a wound, so...

I need to read Beserk big time

Bingo!! There are so many similarities with berserk it’s amazing I love it!!! The art style alone but if you read all the items many are homage to berserk

​@@theemeraldgecko310 do a review after

Yeah I think you’re probably right!

He’s so conniving! Radahn is that guy though lmao!

Well, also that while Radahn keeps the start stuck Miquella's fate cannot move forward, just like Ranni

Yeah I mean he really did want to help people, and he did. After all the purpose of the haligtree was to be a place of refuge by those who were less favored by the Golden Order, like the Misbegotten. But his search for godhood made him get rid of most of his sense of self and he became power hungry and manipulative. Even as a god he wanted a better world, but not every one wanted his idea of his better world

I’m on the Fence if I’m being honest, he speaks his opinions, and while it could be good intentions, maybe his idea of “good intentions” is actually the misguided actions we see? Glad you liked it, thank you! As I said in the video I saw it on a comment from someone’s lore video a few days ago, it wasn’t my original theory, annoyed I can’t remember where it was from!

Bewitchment says otherwise

@@thelionofjudah5318 Bewitchment how? Making people love him? It's not like he's controlling their actions. Some items even suggest he's not charming them on purpose, only that he *can.*

That’s a great point actually!!! Also I thought that to begin with too, but the dlc confirms he’s talking to Radahn at that line :)

He really bewitched almost everyone!

That’s a good point to be fair!

Yes however he has the mind of a child. He doesn't think like an adult he thinks like a child.

@@Scyclo he thinks like a broken person that’s out of options. It’s just easy to say child because of his appearance. Delusions aren’t just children’s thoughts.

This is a great point! Would be super interesting to see her opinion!

To be honest Miquella is the most likely Marika of all her children. Think about it both are "evil" by flawed narrow minded idealism, both are are trying to create a perfect world, both disregard the wills of others, and lastly both have an other self if they opposite sex.

Ranni was against the Greater Will specifically and wanted to replace the Golden Order and then distance herself by going on a cosmic journey. For all we know, the different moons are eldritch entities as well.

@@NocturneJester it’s possible. I think she draws power from the primeval current, which functions kind of like an outer god but lacks sentience.

I think From wanted to bring in a shock factor. Godwin would have been the easy pick. The story was built for Godwin to be his consort then they changed it to be Radahn as a surprise. And it’s been received fairly mixed for the fan base. Many hate it and many are ok with it, but one thing is, it’s steeped with controversy. Which in the end, is exactly how Miyazaki likes his lore to be

That's my head cannon lmao, not sure if it's confirmed in game though!

​@@theemeraldgecko310 the game mentions that the horse's name is Leonard a few times. Mainly in gravity magic spells. Also, there is also a character named Lionel. One of Fia's Deathbed Champions has a Heavy Armor set, and the set is called Lionel's Armor. You can get the Armor from a rundown church in Lyndale.

I thought they meant the one next to st Trina! The whole name thing was such a silly mistake on my part, I knew his name no idea why I said the name I did lmaooo

100% agree, he’s rotten to the core in the present day

It really is chilling, Miquella is imo pure evil, not in the comical sense, but in a truly disturbing way

Yeah you’re probably right, that point was just something I thought of and wanted to add even if it was a bit out there :)

100% he’s just his mark all over this lmao

I disagree. Miquella wants to fix the problems of the world, he would not have tried so hard to cure Malania and Godwyn or create a home for the albernaurics of he didn't want to help. But with the way the world was at the time helping them would be very difficult if not impossible. Like seriously, curing your sister from the influence of an ancient outer god is a REALLY steep hill to climb and so is fighting the effect of a THE LITERAL fragment of death. He needed to become a god and change the world to even have at achieving those goals. Also, most other ending don't intend to fix anything either. Ranni just froze the elden ring and took a thousand year vacation, I don't see her curing Caelid or helping albanaurics. Frenzied flame ending just burns the world down. Dung eater's ending just curses everyone. Fia's ending just makes death acceptable (which atleast tries to fix one thing) Goldmasks ending doesn't fix much but it does repel the outer gods without leaving the land between ungaurded like Ranni does. Which give us the player the chance to try and fix things. And the fractured ending is just wiping dust off the table. The dust will be back. Tldr: Miquella wanted to help people he just needed the power of a god to do so.

Not really true. The game states through a few items that one of his goals is the removal of the outer god influences.

On the topic of Godwyn I think we did actually get a little bit, Melina wise? The description virtually confirming Melina as Messmers little sister seems to have been cut…

​@@theemeraldgecko310there is a description on game that alludes to mesmmer little sister who also has kindling abilities.

​@@theemeraldgecko310yeah look at mesmers remembrance I think...its not explicit but it's got to be her

The topic about Godwyn is maybe for another DLC (lets hope)

@Daliakes fingers bloody crossed that or Elden ring 2…. BLOODBORNE REMAKE PLEASE AND THANK YOU FIRST

This makes so much sense especially considering looking at it from what you’re saying, whose to say there was any effort to revive Godwyn in the first place? Maybe he bewitched people to believe that to get Godwyns people to his side? Some of the castle sol knights do after all wield death and Godwyns knights in the dlc have what looks like an eclipse symbol… notice we don’t see hardly anything to do with the eclipse in the dlc… whose to the Same not only is the plan to revive Godwyn fake but also the very means (the eclipse)?

They’ve freaked me out for so long! It’s really sad!

Miquella said to them ''The afterlife consists of a plethora of beautiful femboys to smash at your leisure if you sacrifice yourself for the age of compassion.'' And the rest was history.

I disagree Those guys are just desperate and lost. Soldiers in the lands between give their lives for their Lords all the time. Miquellas soldiers are just doing it in their own way. Desperately trying to guide their master back to the haligtree. Maybe they were bewitched, but the bomb thing was probably their own choice.

Agreed, the evidence was there but there was so many aspects that made some people doubt. She’s so steadfast in her belief, how could she be wrong…

Mofo has the same Delu Lu level as joe goldberg 😭🙏

​@@theemeraldgecko310Miquella eats corn the long way.

I get what you’re saying! But also Melania whispered in Radahns ear in a trailer pre Elden ring release, imo it seems to have been the plan for a long time!

@@theemeraldgecko310 yea but what she said wasn't put in till the DLC. It could just as easy been, "Release the stars." Or "Now you die." Or a bunch of things. AgtJake said in one of his videos a few days ago that the community has been very vocal about wanting a Prime Radahn fight and he thinks the devs caved and gave it to them. I have to agree. I understand it from a game play stand point but it doesn't match up from where the lore was pointing to in the main game. Miquilla even calls Godwin Lord brother at one point.

Interesting catch! Love it!

I won’t lie dude I think I can feel the bewitching branch through the screen

Can’t 100% say yes or no because we weren’t there, but I honestly really do like this theory!!

She was a GOD so I dont think so

@@joe.todddq I mean if my theory is true about Malenia she became a god and was still mega bewitched..

​@@theemeraldgecko310truueeee and based

That’s honestly the most terrifying part, it seems like he thinks he’s doing a good thing

Something I find so ironic, is everyone all Empyreans or at least most, battle for godhood, yet Melania the only one who isn’t after it, who doesn’t wish to become the leader of a new order, effortlessly becomes a goddess of rot. In short that last sentence is the best statement I’ve ever heard and I’m all for it

No idea who Miura is but amen man

Thank you!!!!

I really like this connection! Awesome stuff!

Could you give some examples please? Would hate to be spreading misinformation

Agreed! If Melania wanted to truly find Miquella I’m convinced she would have raised hell and earth, scorched earth the lands between to find him, yet she didn’t. Definitely agree with what you’re saying!

Good point! Yeah someone did mention it and I totally get where you’re coming from!

I get you dude, saying that, GRRM was involved..

Completely true and I completely agree!

I definitely get where you’re coming from! I mean I don’t think every person would, but quite a few would definitely fall to their arrogance like Miquella

It’s easy to overlook as it’s only at the start of the dlc!!!

This is a really good comparison! Miquella really has been drinking his kool aid big time

Even if that evil did create a loving world, that world will always be soiled by the blood and sins of the past

They’re both evil imo, Ranni went to some horrible extents to get to that point

Definitely! Miquella is messed up in so many ways, Leda is basically a bloody yandera(don’t know how to spell it) simulator!

Exactly! He’s been rotten to the core since the base game

I’ve actually been toying with the idea maybe he didn’t!!