No seriously. Where the hell was Felix? He would never put on an Alliance ring and his girlfriend and cousin, who he keeps trying to make sure are free, were literally imprisoned. What even was the point of his stupid abstract play? Did he just want Ladybug to do all the work for him?

Honestly, at this point, Chat Noir has every right to go villain if he wants. Everyone lies to him, treats him as a side piece with no autonomy, and considers him unimportant.

In miraculous, the worst thing is to be blonde.

Adrien should’ve been the main character anyways he’s literally the reason why everything happens.

“adrien being demoted from a sidekick to a damsel in distress would have been bad enough, but you know what? at least in the nightmare, he was there.” i’m crying😭😭

One of the biggest issues in the show is how it fails Adrien. He's intelligent and cultured but has an abusive homelife, which essentially makes him a fascinating protagonist, as does him having the power to destroy--which could be a metaphor for his toxic homelife. But he's never allowed much screentime or development, and his hero persona (which I feel is way too OOC for him; I feel like Plagg influenced him significantly) is made into a replaceable sidekick. I hope Zag's movie gives him proper respect.

They did Adrian so dirty that I don't think any other main character in history past and future will ever be dismissed as hard as Adrian got dismissed in this finale

Yeah. The show writers and Thomas asstruc are disgusting for treating Adrien like this.

It honestly make zero sense on how Adrien's whole life, his BIRTH, is the catalyst for the ENTIRE show to happen, and yet he's being treated like nobody important. Dude, he's the freaking son of the MAIN villain, who's goal was to bring back HIS mother. Heck, even excluding him from the finale and all that happily ever after yada yada is bs. It's THE FINAL confrontation with the main villain, his father, not to mention the amount of abuse Gabe caused the poor guy over the years, and suddenly all that trauma is poof gone. Like what, treat him better, he deserves better than... whatever the show gave him

the fact that gabriel getting a statue in his honor & is praised for his non-existent heroism while his son, whom he had emotionally abused throughout most of his life, is lied to & gaslighted into believing that his father was a great man and aspires to be like him in the future is the ending this trashfire of a show expects us to consider as 'good' is actually apalling & disgusting on multiple layers

"Adrian will get a bigger role next season" Yeah, we say that since the end of season 3

I've argued in my own videos on the matter that Astruc has no interest in making Adrien a character beyond a certain narrow set of character traits. Astruc has repeatedly demonstrated the lengths he will go to write Adrien out of his own story to keep Adrien as a perfect doll. Felix honestly feels more like a protagonist because he got many stories where Adrien should have been relevant. Finding out Gabriel is Hawk Moth? Felix did that, not Adrien. Finding Emile's stasis pod? Felix did that, not Adrien. Revealing his family's history of Marinette? Felix did that, not Adrien. The irony in this is that Astruc treats Adrien as a perfect doll which is exactly what Gabriel does to Adrien.

One thing that always ticks me off is how at the beginning master Fu had to chose one person to carry the ladybug and cat miraculous because only a few were able to, however in recent chapters we have seen the miraculous changing owners or straight up having Marinette use both when we were told that can produce an incredible power. If miraculous are now being given like candy to any person, it makes me think they aren't so special because literally ANYONE can use them

Mlb and thomas in particular has a BIG problem with understanding feminism.. and it’s very obvious w this terrible ass finale

The fact that people still have hope in this show is astonishing.

Adrien really needs a dark kwami or whatever this series equivalent of black suit Spider-Man would be; have him slowly start to go villiain as he’s tired of constantly being manipulated, lied to, and treated like some object everyone throws to the side.

Adrian’s story should be a tragedy. This man should be BROKEN. Everyone has lied to him, he’s been shut out by his closest friends, his family is the sole reason all this has happened, he lost his father with his most trusted partner being responsible for it. Adrian needs his Joker Arc, falling to despair and destroying France. And Ladybug would be forced to put an end to it, meaning Adrian must *DIE.*

The fact that marinette is lying to Adrian about his dad being a hero and helping her defeat hawk moth just feels so gross like I was on bored with the relationship but now I hope Adrian breaks up with her

Your final point about Chloe's dad being made the victim, is what I wanted to type when I was listening to your video: This show has a HORRIBLE take on how it handles abusive households! All the girls from abusive homes were demonized, or rather, akumatized, at some point in the show. Adrien is literally made to WORSHIP his abuser at the end of the Agreste arc thanks to Marinette lying. Felix was treated as a villainous character up until he fell for Kagami and explained his actions had a pretty good reason. Marinette abuses Adrien in their superhero forms all the time yet he's her loyal side kick and in civilian life became her boyfriend! This show, if anything, teaches kids to hate themselves for acting out for their abuse and teaches them to stick to partners who keep abusing them. It's this message that has me wanting to puke whenever Marinette is rewarded on screen, and why I believe this show is downright harmful to children. Yet the good bits get me hate-watching this piece of trash. I heard rumors Astruc was leaving after S5, and I better hope its true.

It's the tales of Ladubyg and CAT NOIR, not merely the tales of Ladybug. I can't believe they locked Adrien in a cell for the entire finale while Su Han, the New York heroes, and even Fei Wu had more to do. And seriously, Felix and Kagami were also absent for the entire finale despite being the two most important side characters as they had a direct connection to the villains. They should have participated in the finale, and Cat Noir absolutely should have confronted his father. It would have been the perfect boss battle to wrap up Adrien's character arc, as he finally stands up to his father for the final time.

Tbh, if this show ACTUALLY has the balls to make Adrian an antagonist (or at least rebell against Marinette) in season 6 after he's learned everything (that is IF he ever learns everything 💀), then I'll take back ALLLL the bad things I've ever said about this show. 😂..... well, not everything, but you get the point.

When someone asked on twitter why Astruc was treating Adrien this way in the show, Astruc basically said that's how it's going to be and just deal with it.

Remember how in the season 4 finale they said it would be chat and ladybug together against monarch... Yeah that aged badly

The show is called tales of ladybug and chat noir but if you were someone who didn’t know that, you’d think the show is about just ladybug. Even before this episode Adrien/Chat Noir has been sidelined over and over again. Even if Adrien being a senti-being was the reason he doesn’t fight, why didn’t he STILL find out about the truth?? I was genuinely excited at the beginning of this season thinking Adrien was finally going to be apart of the story but nope. This was utterly disappointing. The finale could have so many different ways but they chose the worst way possible.

I issue with this is that they marketed the show as Duo Protagonists. And now MANY seasons later the show is ALL about Mari? And in a plot where it greatly involves ADRIEN'S family? I call Bullshit. It feels like the moment they gave Chloe a redemption arc in season two. They kicked out someone important without our knowledge, and the story went down hill from there. Who ever that was it's clear that they gave some importance to Chloe and Adrien that Thomas Heavily Disagreed with. And not only got rid of said person. But Thomas is SO petty, dude went out of his way to ruin what that person wanted to do. By ruining the characters they wanted to shine during this Saga.

I feel like Chat Noir's irrelevance could be fixed if they made him an essential part of destroying an akuma. Maybe they could change it so that while Ladybug can capture the akuma or create a barrier that the akuma can't escape, only Chat can destroy it. Ladybug would keep the akuma stable and from escaping so Chat gets the final blow. At least he'd have a purpose to always be there so he doesn't feel second fiddle to Ladybug. Creation and destruction are supposed to be balanced and need each other but this show has episodes where Chat isn't needed at all. Sounds pretty contradictory

Adrien should’ve been the protagonist it is LITERALLY his story. His dad is the main villain, the cause of him being the main villain is because of his mom’s death, and the only reason his mom is dead is because of him, which is the only reason why this show exists. That’s not even including the exciting subplot that they could’ve done with Felix. Marinette should be side character, she is the outsider to this story, she shouldn’t even know any of this. This is like if we focused on Star Wars through the lens of Hans Solo instead of Luke or Leia and then tried to have the “I AM YOUR FATHER” scene. IT DOESNT WORK. And Astruc wants to act like he’s just a prize for Marinette to obtain. I’m not even an Adrien stan or anything this is just good common sense and something people learn in a college creative writing course. 😒

The reason why mari had to De- Transform was because she was too over powered for them to think of a realistic way hawky could get the miraculous.

Annoys me that Astruc's whole thing with Adrien is "Oh Marinette is Barbie, while Adrien is Kent" Basically Adrien is JUST armcandy, nothing more, nothing less. Already expecting another Cat Blanc episode where he DOES find out about all the secrets she's keeping from him, resulting in her taking BACK the rings she gave him, aka his amok. To CONTROL him if he ever gets out of line. Definitely like how the movie changed things, made them as EQUALS. Learning the other's identity with, would you look at that... NO end of world scenario. Gabriel not making a wish at ALL, giving himself up, moving on from his wife, AND that scene with Emile's ghost hugging them both is just wow.. Dang it astruc, THAT is how the season should have ended. Honestly I was expecting FELIX would have broke his girlfriend out at least in the finale, and take his cousin's place in the prison, maybe even reveal he LEARNED his identity as cat noir. Causing Adrien to combine the Peacock AND the Black Cat, and through some plot craziness he couldn't be controlled since he was in control of the peacock. But NO.

I think, that the reason to exclude Adrien from the filnale was "woman empowerment". Astruc treats this as Marinette being a strong female character, who does not need a man to help. Some episodes ago he tweeted something like "Ladybug and Chat Noir are equal, but she is the leader. Do you have something against a girl being a leader?" I regret to say that, Astruc, but you are too late for the party. It's not as innovative anymore. When it comes to Adrien becoming Chat Blanc after realising the truth about his family, it can be easily solved. Marinette could just hug and comfort him to show, that he has someone, who cares for him and loves him even though he is a sentimonster.

Okay, so for the past 3 years I have been ranting to my friends about how metal (albeit a bit cringy) it would be if Adrienne became the new Hawkmoth in the name of bringing back Gabriel after Ladybug accidentally kills him. The fact that, after *three damn years* , the setup is finally there and yet I have *zero* expectations that this is the way the story will go, is mildly disappointing.

The show should have been called Miraculous ladybug tales of Marinette and once in a blue moon Adrian

Remember how Marinette said that she hates liers? And now proceds to her boyfriend and keep him in a cristal box 🙄

Keeping Chat Noir out of the final fight is one thing, but not telling Adrien the truth about his father is just insane. And is something that should come back to bite everyone in the ass. The funny thing is Cats actually hunt moths. They ENJOY eating them; that is literally perfect symbolism of having Adrien take down his father, and they do nothing with it. It's like the writers enjoy making a bad story all in the name of "subversion."

Thomas Astruc compared Marinette and Adrien to Barbie and Ken, and that for me kills the show.

what really makes me mad is that season five was doing great with his character up until now. he got to unify the rabbit; he defeated safari; and we saw him grow more and more resilient against his father.

This season is just a culmination of all the things Ive had a growing issue with this show as of season 3. Marinette and her writing, the exclusion and butchering of Adrien and the terrible treatment if Chloe cause the creator has a weird bias. This is just..........I cant anymore

Season 5 disappointed me so bad, I’m done with the show now! The movie’s my only hope!

You’re right about Adrien being portrayed as weak-minded and fragile. And it’s annoying. He already touched monarch with his power and next episode he took it well, season 4 finale he was the one encouraging ladybug to keep fighting, he’s proven that he has what it takes to resist an akuma, this was his moment, this was meant to build him but nah, they continue lying to him over and over as if everyone in that show wants him to stay perfect.

Exactly the worse outcome happened, the ending felt creepy in a waiting for the other shoe to drop! The way too happy ended felt unreal and unearned. This is wild no?

Its also so sad how Adrien had absolutely 0 personality in season 5. Only he ever spoke about is Marrinette. He had absolutely nothing else in his life. No wishes, no goals. They ruined him

We hit the rock bottom again. Adrien is the LEAST important character in this story despite having everything revolve around him. This series seriously makes the dumbest decisions. Maybe it's the times, maybe the author is somehow some kind of genius because he knows that as long as : "it's a girl's show" he can keep this merchandise selling. But honestly, I feel bad for every fan of Adrien. I hope they never get asked why they like this hamsel and what sets him apart from any other minor character with a miraculous. They will literally break down in a depression when they realize how insignificant he is.

They should re boot the show and make Adrien the main character honestly his story is A. A lot more interesting than Marinette’s B. His conflict with Gabe should take center stage I mean they have been building up the moment they would fight each other since season 2 with all the “can I call you grandpa” or “if I was your son” lines plus all the alternate timelines episodes. C. They could explore his character much more and play around with the senti monster thing a lot more rather then shoving it in Season 4 with no previous hints like they did in canon. D. I think they could make Felix and Adrien twins, could you imagine all the stuff Felix could have pulled imagine he finds out both Adriens and Hawk Moths identity and then is conflicted about what to do with that information. E. Adrien being Cat Noir is a lot more interesting then Ladybug and Mari, I mean Cat Noir is the only way for Adrien to be free and be able to actually express himself without needing to be perfect for his father, it’s also the only way he can get around without being bombarded by crazy fan girls. Meanwhile Lady Bug is just a braver and less clumsy version of Mari

The only reason why Adrien was akumatized was because Gabriel found out he is Cat Noir not because Adrien found out his father is the villain and his mother is in a cryogenic coma in the basement

I was also blocked by Thomas astruc because Ei asked him how could Adrian be sentimonster if he did not become crazy by the cataclism that jutted him

At this point I hope Adrien goes full villain mode when he finds out the truth of everything and how Ladybug had hid things from him

The only way to make this finale work is to make adrien either become a villain or anti hero He would start hating marinette and even join lila The chat noir villain/antihero arc He also needs to get a major power up He has to become untrusting and paranoid kinda like batman since EVERYBODY lied to him i wouldnt be surprised if a dog start lying to him next season bro HAS to developp major trust issues

"standing in the crowd with the rest of Ladybug's pokemon" holy shit that is the best way someone has ever explained the other heroes, god they just arent even characters at this point, may as well be cardboard cutouts running around

I remember when I was in the fandom and I literally read/saw better comics with them than the actual show Like, people in fandom saw potential in BOTH of them and used them BOTH. I quit miraculous only because of the original plot - cause it sucks as hell

Astruc be like "The key to a good relationship is LIES, just lie and everything will be all sunshine and rainbows like with Marinette."

Every time I think about the finale I get mad all over again. Every solution you suggested is so much better. Yes, I know Adrien has been akumatised every time he's found out the truth, but either a) Gabe refuses to do it this time because of his own character growth (if they wanted a redemption arc this would have been better) or b) this time he breaks out of it because it's Marinette on the line and their love is stronger than ever. Either would have been way more in keeping with the show's attempt at themes. So much wasted potential and pointlessness...

You know, a couple of years back, after being thoroughly let down by the show at the end of Season 3, I wrote an essay entitled, "Miraculous Ladybug is No Longer Worth Watching Until We Get to the End...And Let Me Tell You Why". I started out about the things I initially liked about the show, how it was a hodgepodge of Western action cartoons and Magical Girl anime, which, on paper, just shouldn't work. But somehow, it does. I also talked about a few of the things I liked about Adrien, as a character (which the show has evidently gone out of its way in the last two years to try and destroy, for the most part), and used him as an example of what made the show unique, how it took tropes from both Western cartoons and anime and put unique spins on them. But then, I went on to address the elephant in the room. Thomas Astruc may have been influenced by Magical Girl anime, but he clearly wasn't paying attention to one thing that ultimately has to happen in that genre. Specifically, how "the structure of a story arc inevitably has to shake things up by getting to the part where all the secrets between the characters are laid bare, the final battle with the big bad takes place and everything pretty much goes straight to hell before a happy ending is reached. But while that is AN ending, it's not THE ending, because after that, a NEW arc takes its place, which generally sees the main characters faced with new relationships, new responsibilities, and ultimately, a new, different, more powerful enemy who's inserted themselves into the picture and made it their life's mission to take away everything the good guys have. This helps, not only with world-building, but also to give the audience a chance to actually enjoy the payoffs that came from the previous story". Unfortunately, that was the rub. Even from the early days of Season 3, it was made PAINFULLY clear that Astruc and Crew didn't HAVE an idea for a story arc after this one (unless they had been sitting on plans for a follow-up movie or two, which would have been nice, but still not an outcome I'd bet money on). So they'd basically been left with no choice but to keep the show running in place, with all the characters left in their assigned little box and no one was allowed to move forward, "BEYOND-THIS-POINT", because no one on the creative side knew what that was supposed to look like, beyond how they wanted the series to end. Essentially, I ended my thesis by saying that I was more or less done with the show and would only MAYBE come back during the final three or four episodes when things would finally start moving forward. And for the most part, as I picked up little crumbs of information here and there, I was largely proven correct. Through Seasons 4 and 5, none of the moments that the show touted as being big, important events actually mattered, because they were just minor detours to eat up as much screen time as possible and ultimately, everything would just go right back to normal (or as normal as this show would get, anyway). But then I found out that this arc had FINALLY ended, and when I checked it out, all I got was, "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!"🤯 I mean, never mind the fact that it isn't actually revealed what Gabriel wished for (Astruc dipping into yet another anime trope, this time, the one where the creator tries to APPEAR higher-minded than he actually IS, by using "cryptic obfuscation" as a substitute for not coming up a genuine ANSWER to give to the audience). But at literally the LAST-POSSIBLE-SECOND...he tries to give GABRIEL AGRESTE...the narcissistic, emotionally-stunted, neglectful-to-the-point-of-being-outright-ABUSIVE, MAIN VILLAIN that he just couldn't let go of for FIVE YEARS, because he couldn't think of anyone to FOLLOW him...an actual REDEMPTION?!?!?! WHAT in the blue HELL, people?! I mean, I know that, by accounts, Astruc is a vainglorious, self-aggrandizing, control freak, just like Gabriel is, so it makes sense that he'd identify with the prick. But that's hardly an excuse. Immediately, my thoughts turned back to Seasons 2 and 3, when Chloe was actually growing out of her role as a one-dimensional stock character (and, as I pointed out in my essay, when you’re three Seasons deep and the only one who’s shown ANY kind of overarching character development is “the bratty rich girl”, THAT should have been a signal right there that this thing had already been idling in Neutral for FAR too long). Then we got to end of Season 3, and what did they do? In one episode, they went and ERASED everything they had done with Chloe for the last Season-and-a-half. And when absolutely EVERYONE came after him for it, Astruc tried to justify himself by going, "Oh, but I don't like Chloe and you're not supposed to like her either and she doesn't deserve to have a redemption". 😩 Then why did you GIVE her one, Stupid?! And more to the point...just a minute. You're making it sound like that whole thing with Chloe was an ACCIDENT?! But this thing here with Gabriel was DELIBERATE?! What the HELL kind of ASS-BACKWARDS thinking is THAT?! And then, when Astruc realized that NO ONE was going to take his side on Chloe, he STILL tried to have his cake and eat it too, by introducing Zoe into the mix as a blatant attempt to pacify people and go, "Well, okay, I'll...I'll give you this character and...and she can be like...'Good...Chloe'. Will that make everyone happy?". NO!!! Because Chloe was the ONLY character that you were actually making INTERESTING!!! And to that point, I have to disagree with your video, ever-so slightly. You mentioned at a certain point that Marinette is actually dealing with all her problems, while Adrien isn't allowed to. But the thing about that is...has she REALLY? Yes, I agree that Adrien is still the one in the dark because he’s being neglected and lied to by the people he cares about the most (and we should certainly bemoan that fact, because it's just shady as all hell and he's always deserved better). But because Marinette's power has always been to reset everything back to zero, whenever she can't do that and there are actual CONSEQUENCES to be faced, her default response has always been to just cut and run (the way this Season ended was just another example of that). And while I get that this was by design, to keep AGONIZINGLY dragging out the central arc, it just makes her look SO weak and ineffectual, as the central hero. In fact, I can't help wondering if that's a primary reason as to why Chloe got shafted as badly as she did, because she was the only one showing legitimate growth and was actually getting to the point where she would have arguably overshadowed the two supposedly-main characters. The only thing that I would add here, is that as far as a better ending goes, my personal suggestion would be to just move in the direction the show was originally aiming at, back in Season 2, when Fu revealed the true nature of the Creation and Destruction Miraculous being used together...that it's not omnipotence as Gabriel believed, but equivalent exchange. In order to get what he wants, something else must be sacrificed, but Gabriel has no say over what that is. Meaning that to get his wife back...ADRIEN has to die. Faced with the loss of his son and a wife seeing him for the monster he's become, Gabriel becomes a deer in the headlights and just shuts down completely, leaving Marinette as the only one who can fix everything and bring Adrien back. How does she do it? Damned if I know. But doesn't that ALREADY sound like a better wrap-up to this mess than what we got? Anyway, that's enough of my ramblings. This has already gone on too long as it is, except to say that I think I'm about done with this series entirely. Enough is enough. I'm burned out. This show started out with so much potential, but all that goodwill has just been pissed away. I need to move on with my life. I think we ALL do. At least, that's just MY thinking on it.

At this point I'm over the main characters. Marinette is creepy, Adrien never does anything and now that they're finally, romantically together, I can't find many fans that actually care.

Honestly I think the roles of Ladybug and Cat Noire should be switched. He has all the traits of the main protagonist. He has the interesting conflict. He has the likable personality. He has an abusive houslife, he is basically trapped in his role in society, he has so much emotional trauma to overcome due to his non-existent mother. Why is Marinette the protagonist expect for "GiRl PoWeR" and "FemInIsM" ? Chloé would had been a far more interesting pick since she had to overcome her "Mean girl" personality, her own quite abusive home in regards of neglect as far as I could tell and due to her behaviour being barly liked. Marinette has nothing going for her. She has a healthy family life, she has friends, her only problem is being clumpsy and being a f*cking stalker who would make the hardest real life stalker blush. She never was a good main protagonist and she got worsed with the Mary-Sue treatment.

Astruc and his writing team feels like first time writers because Marinette feels like their first ever OC hence why her traits are impossibly OP and has an evergrowing list of people that fell in love with her; while Adrien is their secondly created character hence the sky high trauma list yet still has horrible writing due to their lack of experience. Its why I latched on to the Miraculous movie Jeremy made so quickly because even though the pacing is a bit off the concept of that alternate reality of the show makes much more sense to me especially character-wise.

I remember when I got into miraculous ladybug back in 2016 or 17 and I saw that there was a theory that hawk moth was Adrian's uncle and that hawk moth was Gabriel's twin brother who was secretly in love with Adrian's mom and that truly Adrian was really hawk moth son and Gabriel took over his brother's life when he realized he was evil and took Emily and Adrian away from him and that's why he was really a kooma ties in people and I honestly wish this have been the plot of the show at this point for his character cuz it would have made sense as to why Gabriel was kind of cold to him cuz Adrian's not his real son he's his evil brother's son and he just doesn't really know what to do with him or I don't really interact we could have had Gabriel to his own way trying to bring Adrian's mom back cuz he was in love with her but instead of him being hogmaul he could have just been the one making potions and different things are using all the money and resources he had trying to figure out how to save her alone the other end his brother would just went evil he never knew how to stop him

I knew for a fact that after that horrendous finale made me lose any respect I had left for the show. Not only did they just cart Chloe off they also did to Adrien. Basically it's showing, Cat Noir is a sidekick he's not important compared to Lady Bug. And that redemption towards Gabriel, like what? Did the writers forget the abuse he made his son go through not to mention extorting people's emotions causing actual literal of thousands of dollars of damages to the city, risking people's lives, (you cannot tell me not one person has died during Akumatization attacks) and what he gets a damn statue? For what, because he didn't want Adrien to know what he did? I call BS. I heard supposedly Thomas left production, and if that's true, hopefully they can redeem this show. But at this point I don't know if I even wanna go back anymore.

THE WRITERS SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED OF THIS WHOLE MESS!!! Adrien doesn’t deserve this treatment! Jeremy Zag was a better writer. But honestly, I don’t want Adrien to be a villain, I don’t want the kids to be upset.

Season 5 felt very strange to me in relation to other seasons. It was more fast-paced, not necessarily a bad thing. But the way that some of these decisions were written is just inexplicable for these characters. In particular the episode Derision stood out to be as really undermining Marinette's character and makes it very hard to believe that she would ever have anything to do with Kim again, give him a miraculous at any point, or even be able to cope with the stressors of being Ladybug in the first place. The "theme" of the show, and why I fell in love with it, was always "A chaque problemme, il y a un solution-- to every problem there is a solution". It was Marinette's creativity and ability to use Lucky Charm as the perfect puzzle piece to defeat the villain that made the show so appealing. Marinette's unbridled creativity, her dettermination, and her willingness to put in the work by hand to achieve what she wants. Season 5 felt like she was just getting kicked over and over, and that message was lost. The Bug Noir V. Monarch fight was very rad though, gotta say... Until Marinette's brain turned off and she detransformed right in front of her mortal enemy as a "show of good faith", of which there was clearly none. The Kwami's even tried to tell her so. What a joke.

I totally agree, Adrienne should have in this finale, he was part of Gabe's story. Lady Bug and Cat Noir fighting against Hawk Moth would allow the fight to be even more powerful and epic and after defeating the two, making his son watch as he gives his life for the mother even more heartbreaking. Just imagine the lines said to Adrienne instead, "Don't remember me for the villain I became but the father who always loved you." That would have been more epic than "Girlfriend of my Son, keep my secret to keep him happy." Adrienne gave up his protagonist role and was shuffled off screen as the maguffin in Gabe's story. I can only guess this was done to keep more loose ends open for the following seasons, like when Adrienne finds out the truth.

It's sad how they miused Chat/Adrien. I know the story roll around Marinette, but he's also titular hero. He's good example how even "rich kid" can have bad enviroment (like family) and still fight to be better and for himself (and not bully like Chloe). And damn, what they do to him in finale was idiotic, not even involving him in his family story... this show writing is such a mess...

I believe Adrien should’ve been the protagonist. He is closely related to the villain which makes it seem like that the build up to that fight between him and monarch would’ve been better than with the villain’s son’s girlfriend.

In My opinion. Adrian should have been the real protagonist. He actually has more Protagonist story

5:43 I asked Thomas austruc via twitter why she was so shocked abt Gabriel being Monarc even tho she knew it from the previous episode and all he said was that sometimes ppl don't believe or realize things until they see it with their own eyes well I had a little discussioun with him and some other ppl on twitter but after some more tweetes he just stopped answering but yeah idk austruc really makes the worst decisions but can't even logically explain them

I would love it if Adrien discovers who Monarch is, let his anger take over and kills his father. That would be more satysfying than hearing lies about making Gabriel looked like a hero when he; destroyed the town multiples times by turning citizens into villains, never cared about his son untill he got cataclysmed which is selfish; when your healthy your not with him but when your dying now your nice? That doesn't make sense! Also, he tried to kill Adrien because he didn't know that his kid was Chat noir. Sacrificing his life to revive Emilie is NOT enough to erase all the horrible things the adult did. I can't forgive him and Adrien too shouldn't. His father deserved a punishment, dying in his wife's arms is less painful than being killed by Chat noir. It would be more satisfying plus Adrien would realise how horrible his father was and won't want to be like him 🙂

The more I watch videos on Miraculous, the more satisfied I am with my decision to stop watching the show.

Tbh I'm not surprised because they kept casting Adrian/Chat Noir away for 2 seasons focusing on Marinette/ladybug instead.

💀Adrian be here and that's all😡 💀Adrian' s mother be sweet & that's all😡 💀New Hawk Moth be same story😒

It's funny to me that Adrien Agreste is the same character type as Chibiusa from Sailor Moon, they both have the same roll on their stories but Adrien, sadly, doesn't have something like Chibiusa's Black Lady thing. They both feel lonely, they both have sassy irreverent personalities, they're both related to a villain important plot, they're both very close to the protagonist and both characters best friend is a black cat (one is a ball and the other is Plagg), it's disappointing considering that Black Lady is one of the most memorable things on Sailor Moon and the fact that Chat Noire has even MORE reasons to become a villain than the Small Lady. Adrien is always pushed aside, ignored, no one trust him, his teammate hides more and more secrets from him every day, his dad was the villain, all that madness is to resurrect his mom and absolutely everything that is happening is because he was born, can you imagine what they could've done with that feeling of guilt and loneliness? Black Lady would be terrified if Chat Blanc was something properly written.

Ass-truck be like: I love both my protagonists! Marinette and... *Looks at blurry writing on wrist.* ...Apricot...?

You have really good comedic timing! Made me chuckle a few times. Great points too! ^_^ Yes, the show is very off base on who the focus should be on and excluding the one most involved in the conflict was a mistake.

I hate the "wait for next season" excuses. They've used it this whole arc, now we're at the very end of it, and some fans will still justify any plothole with "it's too soon to judge, let's see season 6, then 7, then 8..."

Worst part is that I know how they could have solved the issue. If someone had freed a random akumatized warrior and the one was Adrien as he did activate the ring. They were able to teleport around and then with him back he can turn into Chat Noir those damned chuckle heads.

I appreciate this video a lot. People like to assume Miraculous Fans hate the show just for fun, just for no reason but it's way more complicated than that. You pointed out everything that is wrong with it very well.

It would off been cool if Adrien/ Cat Noir had been present to help Ladybug defeat Hawkmoth an arc for season six could off been Adrien constantly worry that he could be come just like his father.

I feel like most of the fandom agrees with you man. Adrien was done dirty. The only hope for season 6 is if Thomas stays away from the show and has no say in anything

Doesn’t lila know everything about Adrien and his father being hawkmoth/monarch? I guess a major reveal in season 6 would be where lila tells Adrien the whole truth (sentimonster) and he just feels betrayed and goes crazy lol maybe Cat blanc 2.0? Idk for me personally season 1-2 were the best. Everything was simple only 5 guys had a miraculous. Ladybug and Chat Noir duo was present. And not everything was so complicated. But since we have a new villain now (I’m sure Lila will also somehow find out who’s ladybug) the show could go a route that no one would expect. I just hope that the show will end in like maybe 2-3 seasons with marinette taking all the miraculous back and only chat noir and her being left as miraculous holders. And of course the identity reveal needs to happen WITHOUT someone setting the time back.

I hope adrien gets a villain arc from this (i have no faith). Like he deserves it. Honestly after this, he should not trust anyone anymore. I really want him to bergrugingly work with laila. I feel like they could have a cool dynamic. And adrien literally has the power of distruction and can use it unlimitedly now. That is super op (not like the show will let him be) But obviously the writers wont let the villain arc happen. 😞

Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and that one other guy

16:09 Istg though, instead of making Gabriel want Adrien to end up with Kagami, just make Gabriel hate Marinette. It makes significantly more sense and would probably work better for the plot anyway.

The guy making the movie version isn’t he coming back and I hope he reboots the whole show well actually season 3 and the rest of the season after that.

simple asnswer - Astruc is on crack witht eh writers and has favourtisim over a good story and lore..relies on fanfics and theories for future plot...etc. excuses and ignores valid criticism..Like dang-with Chloe..Luka and Chat Noir's downfall..Felix and Kagami ohh my...just bad

i absolutely love the fact you consistently use the term sentibeing and not the derogatory term most people use for them

One of the scenes I can't believe was when Cat Noir went to London he decided to say his identity to Marinette and when he is about to her room. He said that I can't disappoint my father. Like.. what are you saying a father who don't care about his son, a father imprisoning his son in a white cube room, a father who takes his son away from the love of his life. If I had a father like that I'd ratherdisappoint him and tell the truth to Marinette

Funfact (or not): Thomas Asstruc has an ex-girlfriend called Sabine. She only appears as the perfect mom who has a perfect daughter with Tom, which curiously is a nickname for Thomas.

My idea for the season 5 finale. Felix frees Adrian and Kagami from their imprisonment. Felix explain how Monarch basically is using the alliance rings to trap people in a dazed state and currently Ladybug is facing off against him. Adrian powers up into his astral cat form to get back to Paris. Adrian arrives and helps Ladybug fight Monarch. Monarch is too powerful and manages to knock out cat noir. As Gabriel is about to take the cat miraculous Marinette grabs the unconscious Cat noir and tries to wake him up. Noticing that she can't beat Monarch alone she gets the idea to take the cat miraculous and powers up to Bug Noir. The 2 battle and while this happens Adrian wakes up noticing he's detransformed. He noticed Ladybug unified the cat and Ladybug miraculouses and is fighting hawkmoth so goes to see if anyone else was safe in the house. He finds Natalie's corpse and finds a video message from his mother on her tablet. He watches the video and realises the identity of Hawkmoth. He goes off to stop hawkmoth from fighting Ladybug. He tells Gabriel to stop this since this wasn't what Emily wanted and that they could still be a family together. Gabriel tells Adrian that he needs to do this and reveals the cataclysm mark on Gabriel. He apologized to his son and uses second chance. He fights Ladybug and gets the upper hand on her this time around. Adrian arrives and sees Ladybug detransform back to Marinette. Gabriel uses venom on both Marinette and Adrian. He detransforms and faces his son one final time before apologizing for everything he's done and hopes this will make up for it. He makes his wish and Gabriel dies, the public is aware of his villainy, Marinette and Adrian are dating fully aware of each other's secret identities but in the shadows Lyla takes the butterfly miraculous as she takes the title of the next hawkmoth. Now there are a couple of plot holes here and I did take some of your ideas but hopefully this would be a desired ending everyone would like.

I read the miraoclus bible last year. (the one leaked all the story up to season 5) but the fact that the bible was an old script makes me sick. I remember reading the last episodes script and even the old scripts said he wasnt going to learn he wasnt going to be in the fight, bugnoir etc. I thought it was STC. It should have been STC.

I’ve said it on another video but I’ll say it again Adrien is one of the most tragic characters in the whole show. Abused by everyone including his friends, marionette, ladybug (I’m saying these two separately because he doesn’t know they are the same person so he has different experiences with both ladybug and Marinette) the writers and his own father. Adrien was pretty much a sheltered trophy boy who couldn’t even be himself because of his fears and insecurities and desire to make his parents proud to compensate all he asked for was friends and a normal life. Instead he encounters a girl who thought he was an bad guy before getting to know him, being stalked and harassed by her so much that he views her as a friend and gets gaslit by everyone that everything is completely normal. Then he becomes a hero and gets to be his true self only to have his limelight stolen by Ladybug who he falls for and let’s walk all over him because no one told him how love works and what’s wrong or right in it so he’s pushy but tries to do everything to make sure she succeeds even when she makes mistakes she’s forgiven no conquenses, meanwhile he gets scolded and beaten down for every little thing he does wrong. He’s abused and neglected so bad he even akumatizes because all he wants is for all the pain to stop. He becomes a sidekick even though he’s been put to the side his whole life and if anything gets worse when he finally falls for marionette she lies and gaslights him to view his own terrible father as a hero. So all that abuse from long ago? Nah can’t be bad turns out his dads a good guy all along. I really hope Adrien snaps and gives marionette what she deserves. I would rather have a whole season from his perspective. If I missed anything feel free to add to how badly adrien was treated in this show.

Part of me hopes Adrien will find out the truth about his father in season 6. Possibly hold some resentment toward Marinette/Ladybug for keeping it from him and depriving him of the chance to say goodbye.

at this point, it kinda just feels like they want to erase adrien out of the entire show completely but if they did that then they know that no one would be watching the show at all because he's a fan favorite, and i feel like i know the reason why they are doing this in the first place and it's because miraculous is supposed to be a show for "only girls" therefore, Marinette is the main character and shes the only main character and she can't have anyone on her side that's a boy that's actually competent, because girls need "Strong female characters". and that's not what a strong female character is! we need to teach young girls that are EQUAL to boys not that they are SUPERIOR. And what about the boys watching this show? where's their role models? and if ya'll wanted this to be a show only for girls, THEN WHY IS ADRIEN IN THE SHOW IN THE FIRST PLACE? oh, so marinette can have a romance of course. but then why is he a superhero? oh, so they can have the dramatic love square of course.

To be honest putting Adrien in London would be considered responsible move considering that Gabriel and Nathalie were on their death beds, so in that role would go to his aunt who lives in London. That's what I thought, but he put him in isolation room 💀

I stopped watching Miraculous a while ago but its so fun to watch people tearing that show apart

Wanna know something? Even the chorus of the German intro of miraculous doesn’t include chat noir. They don’t say 'miraculous, simply the best' etc.. they say 'i am ladybug, I bring you luck and strongly believe that it succeeds' instead and even in chat noirs part it’s all about ladybug 😭 so yeah it’s all about her

I don’t understand why they nuked Adrien & Gabe’s final confrontation when they were CLEARLY building up to it in part 1 of the finale when Cat Noir was beating down on Gabe when he was “akumatized” when trying to find Adrien. Like the writers clearly see the drama there but then they just….don’t do anything with it. And now it’s going to just continue to be never addressed, or be used as trauma porn for his storyline in the future because he never got a proper confrontation.

It’s crazy being able to watch the downfall of a show that is definitely reboot worthy. I’ve only ever been on the other side of reboots. This is great.

Is adrian even a protagonist? He just been put to the side. I was so mad and indifferent at the finale that i completely forgot about adrien til he was shown in the end. out of all ways to have a finale They made the person who was the main problem with people struggling a hero. They have a statue depicting him being the hero. Im so lost with the show that the writing is just complete garbage and it definitely not a show that needs 8 season worth. The movie pretty much destoryed this finale cause adrian was actually there and speaking to his own father instead of being lied to.

You know what else pisses me off other than finale the fact thay felix trusted RANDOM PERSON (aka Marinette) tells her the whole truth but hides it from HIS COUSIN adrien yes i get it he doesn't know that adrien is cat noir and he wanted lb to help but still! This is so messed up many of them including nathalie felix and Marinette talk about adrien being free while they trap him in a lie just like gabriel did

I hope CN/Adrien becomes an independent villain. I can already imagine him being tired of everyone lying to him, and him having no faith and trust in anyone anymore. He becomes LB/Marinette’s rival (but i hope he doesn't join forces with Lila;that would just defeat the reason why he became a villain). That's one of the only ways they can work towards fixing this mess, by fixing it, and adding depth to his character. I honestly can't decide which ending is worse; the Season 3 finale or the Season 5 finale (both if them spat in the face of two blond(e), fan favorite characters). But I guess there was still room for Chloé's redemption after Season 3 (if they wanted, which they clearly didn't), but this is CN's 53665864th time being "useless", irrelevant and left in the dark. I find it ridiculous, and although it's just a wish, I want to see evil CN. Maybe even an outfit change.

Atp I'm just waiting for the movie to drop on Netflix because from what I've heard it's way better than the show

Good thing Ladybug and Chat Noir are supposed to be “EQUALS” 😠😠😠