relatable

That makes me love the books even more

Isaksons the Anglo-Saxons have a great history in the bible

U do realise there's no such thing as English mythology, mind you the crown in England is the nearest thing to mythology..

Tolkien used irish history as the base for his story's,he and his circle had a romantic view of Ireland, c Lewis etc

I mean really, that's how we spread so quickly across europe, not exactly syncretism, but It's a lot easier to convince a guy of a religion if he doesn't have to make that many changes to his lifestyle.

Oh judging by how many denominations were initially labeled heresy by the catholics, A LOT of us actually do speak heresy.

@Nick Smith Well... yes, but you still have to actually convince those people of your faith.

@@rockyblacksmith Eh, most of thosr heretics died off, or we mended our problems with them, like we did the Nestorians and the Chaldeans.

Don't forget the MAJOR glow up Christendom had after with the plague. Thanks to the dark ages, Christianity was able to spread quickly and efficiently. It was one of the biggest unifying forces of the time. That is why the church was so powerful. Unfortunately, power brings power hungry men, which is why a group of people preaching that we shouldn't hate each other and just chill until the world ends started to light people on fire.

As if many of us could forget? *sighs heavily*

What country had worse luck: Ireland or Poland?

@@FortunateSon-mo9zi considering Poland got to not exist for a while, probably Poland

Too true

@@FortunateSon-mo9zi I mean, we’ve been rebelling on and off for 500 years and we still aren’t fully free from Britain. People tend to ignore Northern Ireland and pretend that because most of the island is free, let’s just forget about the part that is literally still part of the UK

It is absolutely NOT "greater" than the sum, it is a distinct *_downgrade._*

@@alastarmullen1072 No its not

@@dirckthedork-knight1201 It definitely is.

@@TheSuperRatt Only if you are ignorant

@@alastarmullen1072 Rude

And a disappointing amount of fantasy and even sci-fi.

"wait, its all just Christian?" "always has been"

You thought it was a source of the true mythology *BUT IT WAS I, CHRISTIANITY*

Celtic Hazelnut , Christianity: Aren’t the real myths the friends we made along the way? Red: NO!

@@clarinethro1695 _Pull out bible_ *I reject your mythology, Jojo!*

Orwell: Hmmm, sorry, I'm just taking notes here....

I appreciate this post. XD

And don’t you think anything else *waves cross menacingly*

Me: So what state was here before we come? Hungarians: We has been ALWAYS here! We have a more than 2500 year old history! Me: Okay, but when that Always begin? Hungarians: Hm... 899? Me: Yeah, that isn't necessary prehistoric. Than what kind of gods worshiped by our ancestors? Hungarians: Like... Assumption of Mary! Me: Okay so let me this straight they was here for a century, there was pagan uprisings even after the official convert to Christianity and nobody writes down about the mythology? Hungarians: We tried to reconstructing it from Fairy tales!

@@bencebotye3904 twas the dino people i tell you

Wait....

Historians: Can you not destroy precious historical records? Priests: How about you Cathlick my balls?

@@d.n5287 Now that's how you burn a heretic!

Well the difference is that the Aztecs were violently subjugated and converted in a short span of time; whereas Scandinavia had it slowly spread through trade, eventually being instated as the state religion for political reasons among other things. It is entirely possible that a lot of works were destroyed after this point, but seeing how much of a slow burn it was, it would be odd for NONE of it to survive. So while I can't say for certain, I do think it was as simple as the Norse religion being an oral tradition.

@@theposhdinosaur7276 Mostly we know the kinds of things that were written down using runes so it is not at all odd that these myths wouldn't be written down. Runes were mostly used to document trade on wooden sticks or to glorify some person in rune stones. They were never really used to write down entire stories like this as they were probably just preserved orally. This can also be seen in how runes are designed, they're made for being carved into rocks or wood. And like imagine trying to carve out even a single one of the Norse myths in stone, let alone all of them, it's just not practically feasible. Like the Jelling stones are probably some of the most text heavy rune stones and even they only contain a brief description of what happened. It's very likely that the entire concept of books and writing on paper was introduced along with Christianity so that's why only Christian monks thought to write down these stories.

Or Poland.

Didn't Ireland get invaded by rome?

Not that I know of.

The Book of Invasions is a fitting name for Russian history.

Or Indian history...

True

In all fairness they also annihilated what was left the "pagan" and spiritual beliefs that were around in England after Rome and the Anglo Saxons were done playing with it

I mean the only reason we know anything about Brythonic Celtic beliefs at all is because Roman Historians wrote about them, if we went off of native sources our knowledge of British myths would start with 'So there's a dude named Arthur and two other guys called Hengist and Horsa.'

Maybe not in person, but Óđinn's ravens Huginn and Munnin see most(If not all) of what goes around in Miđgarđr. At the end of the day he stills gets all the news and gossip, though.

@@thomasrevill7723 you think their mythology got fucked up, wait till you try to read ANYTHING about native North American mythologies. Its mostly gone thanks to the rapid annihilation of the native people and their not wanting to write anything down.

I thought it was pronounced "Steve"

@@Jtzkb which pronunciation of that, 'gif' or 'jif'?

@@phonetheory7056 gēf

I thought it was pronounced "Dave" But... let us find a middle point. Something we can all agree to. Let us just call "Fomoire" for "Goldblum"

ah the origin of "my name is jeff"

Christianity: [slaps side of any religion or mythology] this bad boy can fit so much Jesus in it!

(Sips mythology soup) Needs more holy water.

It’s getting a little cold,can we heat it up- Christianity: *burning heretics and “witches”* *SURE*

Everything needs a bit of Jesus

I guess you could say jesus *nailed it* when it came to spreading all over the place like a pandemic

More like Ding-dong, your religion is wrong!

yea and some of them have the nerve to say that they treat all religions with equal respect

@@Rie_Bot I don't, but if you want to point the gun at somebody try ancient Catholicism. This crap was their jazz and it drives me mad.

@@Rie_Bot I say that and I do that

@@sianni22 I'm talking about those who say that but don't do it. But I appreciate people like you :)

In some versions I’ve seen it took Dian Cecht 4 tries to kill his son

That's pretty interesting... To bad the piece of writing with that story got destroyed by the christians...

It sucks that a lot of this information is so fragmentary, so Red probably can't do a full on video on this stuff, but I wish she could do more Celtic mythology

The fact that Dian killed his son out of jealousy for outdoing him is mentioned in the 2nd Edition D&D book, Legends & Lore. Despite that, he's still listed as Lawful Good, apparently because he's an indiscriminate healer.

@@jazermano If it did, how do we know about it?

Not only that, the stone pierce through his head and his eye ball of destruction kills his army

@@Tricolossus Wow, hol up, really?! That guy must've had a CANNON for an arm!

@@woxof46 In the scrolls we have, Irish Heroes were fucking bonkers. Like, I think CuChulainn was written flinging apples from a sling so fast they were exploding the heads of people on the horizon. Granted if you're firing something fast enough that it has a fucking mach cone-

Yesss 69 likes yesss

To be fair Slings are very good Weapons.

Yup... ALWAYS also love your profile picture

Mephostopheles, I think it would be the other way round. But still.

Zach Borgan tru

Jade Emperor of heaven I’m Filipino and yeah Christianity is great and all but would have been pretty nice if the people who introduced it to us didn’t trample on our native culture and history in the process

@Jade Emperor of heaven it moreso pisses me off cause I too have Irish heritage in me

Sent you where

@@sethaquauis into hysteric laughter probably.

@@justafallperson2108 poor Jess, that's gotta be rough

@@sethaquauis My goodness y'all XD

same

I already wanted it before, but I recently realized just how many different levels it works on, up to and including being able to draw a direct line from a select group of actual people today to those very totally-not-gods. [EDIT] Just got it this christmas!

I actually got my "Extremely Human Person" shirt for Christmas last year, but because my brother's washer was so ass it destroyed most of the wording on it, so now what it says is very much incomprehensible. It is incredibly upsetting; I loved that shirt. I will insist on getting it again for this Christmas.

*record skip*

I’m sorry I can’t hear over the destruction of pagans

IN THE NAME OF GOD!

@ it's not happened with Christians alone, it happened when a culture adopted a new religion for example Java in indonesia, while Java clearly had their own creation myth, it completely lost when hinduism came, and the origin of Java change with a new myth which Hindus gods move mahameru to Java island in order to stabilize it and now they still call the mountain semeru which quite ridiculous as mahameru still exist in India, and when Java became islamized the myth changing again, now all the javanese Hindu gods are just decendants of Adam, another ridiculous story as later the myth will tell the creation of javanese peoples by the gods Some myths even change when a new culture swept and incorporated to a specific culture like Japan for instance, while Japan still retain shintoism, their myths clearly had altered with Chinese influence, so yeah it happened all the time

@@lutherlaoli1934 cool

*Starts burning Warhammer 40k books and game modules* Ah, these will make a good bonfire.

We can do an historical re enactment event where we burn the heretic! ....If Red is down for it.

Dues Vult

H-to-O burn the heretics

Heresy is not the same as being a nonbeliever. Heretics do believe in the same god as you, but do it differently. Technically, the Chaos worshippers in 40k aren't heretics because they reject the Emperor.

wow

Christian: WHO IS THAT? *Pointing to Image of Brigid* Ancient Ireland: uhh... Jesus's stepmum? Christian: Ahh of course, clearly a very worthy saint.

It's funny because it hurts

And don't forget the language is dying, the culture suppressed and Oliver Cromwell routinely wins the award for "greatest briton" despite being an Anglo Saxon and attempting to genocide the Irish.

Our history has never been summarised so beautifully

@@bagman4896 (Hears Cromwell's name) *Rages in Irish"

The Poland of the Sea

Please don't this devolve into a religious flame war.

I mean, I think one of reason Christianity spread so quickly was because of the way they often incorporated local religious practices into Christianity. People could continue to essential practice their religion, but now it was in service to the Christian God and Christian elements were incorporated into already existing practices (except some practices that were obvious no-nos to Christians). They were like "no, no, keep doing what you're doing, but did you know that all along it was GOD that was behind all this. Funny coincidence huh? Have a Bible."

Alien Z pretty sure they already did that

@@wandaberry4085 Catholicism is a Christian practice. If you are a Catholic you are also Christian, but a Christian is not necessarily a Catholic, they could instead be Protestant or Eastern Orthodox for example

Us now of days wanting to know their mythology Christians:your myths are in another century they are now part of us now

Try: Church: You're christian now. Ireland: But- Church: You're christian or we tie you to this stick and set you on fire. Ireland: .... Church: Oh also you all work for the king and have to grow crops for the King's people. Ireland: ....... Church: If you don't we'll tie you to a stick and set you on fire.

Questionable Object that’s the more accurate summary.

@@QuestionableObject Then, ~400 to 500 years later: Nordwegr: You're Pagans now. Ireland: Wait, wha- Nordwegr: My wife is going to preform Seidr magic on top of this churches alter and you're going to use my harp as your symbol Ireland: Go Fu- Nordwegr: You're also going to take our city of Dyflin as your capital. Ireland: FAUGH A BALLAGH! Nordwegr: Oh, good! A fight! And then they became friends and enslaved each other back and forth for 200 years before the Norsemen were Christianized and somehow the Green(field) and Gold(harp) became a symbol for the entirety of Ireland, despite the fact that it was the Norwegian invaders' thing.

@@dredlord47 I would at least think part of their bond building was based on hating the shit out of the chucklefucks across the water to the east

Ian The op’s version is actually much more accurate in Ireland’s case. Yeah, some areas of conversion were violent (looking at you, Charlemagne!) but not all

If I remember right, one of the people who turned into a fish became the salmon of knowledge

@@MrDinmaker Oh shoot, so that one guy, I think it was cu culain, who ate the salmon was actually eating a human? That's... interesting.

@@amberleckie4143 nah that was Fionn mac Cumhaill... But yeah that salmon might've been a dude

@@MrDinmaker ah, gotcha whoops. But you know, still a bit...interesting that he may have eaten a human

@@amberleckie4143 In fairness, he didn't eat the whole thing, he just tasted it off his finger after he popped a blister on its skin

Yeah! It's interesting that many folk tales where St. Sava is the central figure are most likely older, pre-christian tales, just polished up a bit, but with Sava dealing out divine punishment. Ireland often reminds me of us, with the molding of paganism and christian tradition. And hey, we got books and a shiny alphabet and learned scholars who helped us not go extinct! Isn't that neat

I know nothing about Slavic mythology (I think). Can you share any myth or source to read some of it?

Also, as a Mexican who still mourns the fall of Tenochtitlan, I feel you.

@@misteraskman3668 basically, byliny, as well as folk tales is everything there is

Yes!

This is a need

Corporations are people too (to change that we need to change some laws)

Yes Definitely Absolutely

ditto

And then they make heresy free mac and cheese when the original thing was more like a cheese cake

"My insults to the chef"

But also *clears throat* YOINK

omfg... That makes too much sense. And i thought it as just Dn.d

And then turned them into Fairies.

@Jasta Two Thats interesting, Are there any sources you can share? As an Irish person, Id love to read more about what you talked about!

@@robertgronewold3326 I think you mean "and then only ever spoke of them euphemistically for fear that they might be listening."

Irish: Self care is drinking 3 pots of coffee and getting into a knife fight w/ god.

@@Silverwind87 I believe you meant to say "3 pots of tea and a fifth of Poitín"

Holy heck, that's where 40k got its ork gods from...

Exactly!

JC Corbes *was even though Fomoire is a plural, you’re just referring to it as a singular word so was

the very christian friends who are definitely christian and not gods normal humans normal person human friends no gods all christian jesus-approved

Frendswemadallongtheway is now the only acceptable pronunciation of Fomoire

im cr y ing what is this 😭😭

Irish mythology at home:

@@nkyfong Me: mom, I hate this household

Nathaniel Fong Cú Chulain: Yo!

@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec, Cú Chulain seems to be the only one untouched.

imagine how intense spelling bees are

How do they even grade you in terms of spelling?

Do people even know how to speak Irish Gaelic?

@@MD.Akib_Al_AzadIrish people learn it from the age of 4 or so until 18. Most don't get fluent, and there's only 100k or so truly fluent speakers, but most people could have a simple conversation. One of my daughter's friends is a Polish immigrant to Ireland, and she speaks better Irish than I do...

gods me too

I would buy it to

Can they make that merch? Because I would wear that all the time.

I need that shirt

Same

😂

well, that's quite a good way to extend a religion if you ak me. Christianity didn't extend violently until the 15th century as befora it was all done by predication. Incorporating marks from the religion of that place was a good method to make people don't feel guilty for embracing a new religion in which they are interested. Example: in ancient Rome in the 4th century the Sun was the main divinity, but the poor and women especially were fond for christianity so they incorporated the Sol Invistus hollydays as Christmas and equiparated Jesus to the Sun. In Northen Europe, quite the same but making reunion houses into churches

20 thousand years later Imperium of Man: Wow, ya know what this need? T H E G O D E M P E R O R!

Gabriel Díez Díez “Didn’t extend violently” I’m sorry, *what?* They extended so violently that despite the fact that I am both Welsh and Irish I know next to none of the stories and feel depressingly disconnected from my ancestors.

Hahaha y e p

Seriously

🇮🇪 Ireland: Ah lads not again

Bro just gimme the cool stories I don't wanna deal with everything being Christian

The folk tales are far better than Big Important National Legends at showing the origins of things - so many gods became saints, for a start.

Ayuh. When I read "Book of Invasions", my first thought was "oh gods, which invasion *this* time?"

"Luck of the Irish" sounds like a curse if you know anything about Irish history.

@@lnsflare1 I say this all the time! If I am having a particularly unlucky day I joke I have the luck of the Irish and people give me funny looks.

@@lnsflare1 there's a Cyanide and Happiness strip that directly references this. One of the people who makes the comic is Irish.

Meanwhile in Poland

Ah, but Gorc is brutal, yet cunning!

Yes.

Dude they’ve done that since the beginning they literally wrote there own fanfic and where like it’s canon and we are more important than the original

It’s always funny to see how they did it. Because it’s always forced

Unfortunately.... sorry about that.

Ask yourself one question : if not for christianity , would you have even heard of those stories ? Because Im from a place that was conquered by non christians ...as a result all the mythos is lost because they didn't write it down contrary to the christians .

True but the actual shit like this is cool like how every damn religion out of the Mesopotamian regions got at lest 1 flood story

James Wang cool I wasn’t saying it was exclusive though I’m just from the west and it’s the first one that came to mind.

Japan has a reversal on the prevalence of the flood myth: rather than X deity sent a flood to ruin everyone's day, the actual flooding of the Hii river was reimagined as Yamato-no-Orochi

@@the_demon_cat337 I mean, as major civilizations are usually by the riverside or coast, it makes sense most of them have a flood story.

666the_anime_cat666 Even the greeks have a flood story. Hell, the Native Americans also have a flood story.

Thomas Walsh Anglo-Norman, Scottish and English settlers: am I a joke to you?

Dylan Rodrigues you forgot the nords swedes and danes

Englishmen: "Final? You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."

@@dylanrodrigues Basically every Irish joke ever: Yes.

Damn it Christianity

@@ricochet4674 Well I think we need to put the blame on the Jews, because David is Old Testament but any excuse to kick Christianity in the ribs is good for me.

I mean slings are very common weapons through the world and killing giants is also super common

“FOR THE GRACE, FOR THE MIGHT OF OUR LORD”

On a related note, CK3 is just over two weeks from release and I'm really excited. Though sadly I don't think I'll be able to stop anyone from bowdlerizing the cool pagan myths of Europe.

Timothy McLean Just throw as many incest babies at them as possible. Make your family tree into a family circle.

Please don't become aggressive.

@@sirapple589 I don't think that's possible without time travel. AFAIK, that feature isn't planned at this time.

stories are what make us human. We have scientific evidence that it says that if humans didn’t start telling stories to each other, we wouldn’t be as intelligent as we are today. And what is science if not a big story of how the world works?

So THAT'S what she's been using! I've been desperate to find out, because I love those musics. I thought it was Adrian von Ziegler for a hot minute, but then I realized it wasn't, and the thumbtacks and bulletin boards were scrapped.

There's also a lot from the Atlantis soundtrack.

*Nothing, Pop Off Sis*

Same I wasn’t allow to talk about Apollo being bi while I was just talking to my friends

Gabriella Williams well so long as homophobia is publicly allowed it won’t be

The internet is a wonderful thing.

@Gabriella Williams or just teach it in regular history

Red has done a few of those, look back in the channel's playlists, you'll find them.

Mayan mythology is hard to talk about because it was hardly ever written down and was only passed down orally so it's hard to track

Better let some South Americans to shine, make chachapoyas, paracas, nazca, wari, quimbaya

@@that_one_person5805 it was fully written down, but the Spanish burned them all. Most of what we know about Mayan mythology comes from the few surviving ones.

@@feddy11100 I didn't know about that. I guess it makes a lot of sense for his advanced they were

I've always thought the only difference between a god and a wizard is ego

yo how i learn all that magic, fam, could be real usefull

Ledabot I think the gods have a bigger ego, honestly. I mean, they have almost unlimited power and yet some of them (*cough* Aphrodite *cough*) are still insecure enough to kill off their mortal ‘competition’, who will be dead in a few years anyway.

@@Ledabot Difference between a god and a man is a dark soul

@@ravnemagne9598 Good reference.

I was going to leave comment... But I can never top that.

HELP MY!!! My muscles are too big! I am a big tall man and my muscles are even BIGGER! I use them to get views but they HURT so much!!! Because they are heavy. Do you have any advice, dear liwin

The Conversion of Kingdoms Europian in a nutshell.

As an Irishman. Yeah pretty much. As long as they don’t kill anyone. We don’t care all to much

This meme could also be like this Other countries: *exists* England: *it's free real estate*

@@rugbydudedc4216 I did notice the cycle of violence ended with a group politely asking to live there.

@@mindofGOAT and we can modernize it with the USA

@@wenbluepirate3954 Eh, Moscow too

If the rest of the mythology is anything to go off of, it should he pronounced "salmon waiting to happen"

i disagree, my irish family prononce it jeff

Wouldn't surprise me...

With a soft ‘j’, so it’s like “yeff”

Clearly, it's pronounced "jif".

Literally

Same! It's so entertaining to see how different people and different cultures interpreted how our world came to be. It's fascinating to see how the human mind works.

Are you implying red is multiple People?

*Catholicism Thank you for your understanding.

@@defensivekobra3873 no, they ment it possessively, it's her career.

@@netherwalker1762 No, just Christianity. The Lebor Gabála was written in the same century as the Schism of 1054 (although of course, Eastern and Western tensions predate 1054). And on top of that, from my understanding, Catholicism didn't really take hold until either the 11th (same century, again) or 12th century. Although I struggled to find anything solid, so I could be very wrong on that.

Early Christianity: A woman learning? She's a witch!

Aino from the Kalevala also goes by that health plan.

The Amazing Mr. Limpet.

yare yare daze

See, here's the problem with that. Those people converted to Christianity. Therefore, it was STILL their mythology, they just...didn't put as much value in it anymore. The people who DID write it down were Christian monks who thought it was of some literary value. Christianity did not eliminate these mythologies, their people abandoned them for Christianity.

Sooo Christianity is community? *Sits back and waits for the comment war*

@Pecu Alex congratulations, they played themselves.

@@hannahvasby-burnie2477 congratulations, you played yourself

I know right? It’s so easy to forget stuff like that these days. Salmon-form should clearly be advocated for more!

I don’t know, sounds like one of those fishy self help books to me...

I knew I was forgetting to do something!

@@Ajehy BA DUM

Have I found a Homestuck in the wild?

NGL when I first read that shirt the first thing I thought of was THAT'S A HUMAN PERSON~

Gloomy Fish That sounds like something a extremely not human person would say. You’re a pre-Christian god, aren’t you?!? I would wear that shirt too 😁

A friend of mine, who´s facial structure is just a bit off and is incredibly pale, has a shirt that says "100% not an alien in disguise". Then he accidentally burnt off his eyebrows. He looked like out of a Area 51 comedy movie

Hello, fellow humans, human fellas. Yes, I too like to eat bread and start wars.

@@LucasDeziderio Let us complain about what other humans do and then do the same things ourself!

Seconded. I now deadly want this shirt. Actually thirded, but nevermind that we have a cool shirt to focus on.

...it is so rare I want a shirt with a print that my desire for this is confusing.

YES

I mean, there is the "EXTREMELY HUMAN PERSON" shirt...

Please. I would buy it.

Looks more like a geyser without a hole in the ground to come out of

A very localized whole lot of rain happens.

It's called a flashflood.

"into existence" But yes, that is a likely explanation. You might also get a very fast forming lake due to geologic activity opening new springs, particularly in an area with a really chock-full aquifer - which you'd often get if there was a lot of rain. Round and round...

@@timothymclean trust me that can happen here

You came to the wrong house, fool!

@Pxriwinkle.P is that a jojo reference?

@@pancakesstudios6351 Sounds like a Jarjar Binks reference to me.

I got 'surprised dog'

@@bryandiaz7013 Big Smoke, chill, it's me, Carl!

I would also wear the hell outa that!

I absolutely agree

@@caedo7090 Well it is, but there are other historical religions and myths that are equally interesting and help us understand ancient cultures and mythos. Like sure, chocolate is good and all but there are other sweet foods out there to enjoy.

@@caedo7090 i'll be honest it is the most boring mythology i've ever heard

@@caedo7090 It...really isn't. With the exception of Revelation when writing the Bible suddenly got entrusted to a guy tripping his balls off, everything else is just so boring. Nothing is ever a challenge to God, there's no conflict for God that's at all interesting. Not even Satan does anything besides talk to people. Even the conflicts of the Chosen Ones are kind of boring because all the hardships are glossed over so they can quickly get to the part where God just decides, "Okay, die" and the enemies die. The Jesus part is nice and all, but it's not exactly what you'd call super interesting. To use fanfiction terms, God's too much of a Mary Sue/Marty Stu for the story to be interesting. Other mythologies are more interesting because the gods aren't perfect. They have their own strengths and weaknesses, and while they're all super powerful, no single god is *all* powerful, who knows all, sees all, can do all without batting an eyelash.

By all means, I'm open for a talk

You been to Sacramento by any chance?

@@SimulDatCor Nope, never set foot out Europe

I would like to speak to the CEO of Christianity

Try dealing with Islam first or are you a "only white religion is evil" type of person

I mean, that's a good summary of history in general, so...