Mission Beyond Darkness: The Philippine Sea (World War 2 Pacific Theater)

  Рет қаралды 89,476

Forgotten Battles

6 жыл бұрын

If you would like to support the channel please consider joining our Patreon or you can also donate on Paypal or Venmo.
Paypal: paypal.me/DanielTChick
Venmo: @Daniel-Chick
Patreon: www.patreon.com/ForgottenBattles
Series Producer: Alex Nilsson
Written by: Sean Michael Chick
Edited by: Anthony Tully (Check out www.combinedfleet.com for more of his amazing work on the History of the Imperial Japanese Navy.)
Sources: "Clash of the Carriers" by Barrett Tillman and "The Phillipine Sea 1944" by Mark Stille
Edits and Corrections:
Taiho did not sink on an even keel. Taiho lurched to port and slid under on her side.
Truk was attacked by carrier, not land-based aircraft, in 1944.
Forgotten Battles will highlight and tell the stories of battles in history that would play a major role in the unfolding story of humanity. Many of the battles featured in this series are not as well known as they should be.

Пікірлер: 89
@andrewtaylor940
@andrewtaylor940 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful Piece. I especially love the detail on the Admirals. Also is wasn't so much that the Light Carrier class was retired in the Cold War. The 9 US Light Carriers were never meant to be a long term solution. Much like the Japanese Conversions they were built on already in the pipeline Cruiser hulls to save time and resources due to the long build time for Essex's. The Indecencies were all scrapped. (they honestly had lousy seakeeping properties) But many other Light Carriers evolved to form the backbone of the new concept of Helicopter Carriers or Amphibious Assault ships in the 1950's. The British Light Carriers saw conversion to this role.
@fooman2108
@fooman2108 3 жыл бұрын
Part of the reason Taiho blew up and sank was that the hit cracked an AVIATION fuel line which leaked into the machinery gallery space for the forward elevator, making a pool several feet deep. They started to pump the fuel overboard (the pumps were not rated for fuel/oil and over-heated forcing the Japanese to leave a pool 12 inches deep in the elevator cellar), in order to disperse the noxious fuel vapors the ventilation was switched on.
@briancooper2112
@briancooper2112 Жыл бұрын
Correct.
@Uhtred-the-bold
@Uhtred-the-bold 4 жыл бұрын
Bad torpedoes doesn’t cover it. Criminally bad is closer
@chrisnizer1885
@chrisnizer1885 4 жыл бұрын
Japanese naval anti-aircraft artillery wasn't one of their strong points. They relied heavily on their Type-96 25mm cannons which didn't compare to the 40mm Bofor's used by the Americans. The U.S. Navy 5-inch proximity fused triple-A was in a class by itself and was absolutely devastating. A glass vacuum tube transmitter eceiver was developed that could withstand the tremendous G-forces and could detonate whenever it came close to a target. The IJN never developed anything comparable to either the 40mm Bofor's or the 5-inch proximity fused triple-A. Thanks for the video my friend, well done!
@_the_wolff_2652
@_the_wolff_2652 3 жыл бұрын
Japan 100mm guns were very good. Also 76mm guns on Agano werent bad. But yes, uss 40mm was top AA mid range gun.
@Cobra-King3
@Cobra-King3 3 жыл бұрын
the Type-96 25mm gun is stated to be short range AA, therefore in its role it's compared to the 20mm Oerlikon, but by performance, yes, compared to the Bofors the 100mm flak wasn't all that bad, quite comparable to the Kriegsmarine's 105mm DP guns, and the 127mm guns were good in all respects, but no better than the American 5" guns only thanks to radar guiding fire control systems, alone, both stack up to be equal
@garymcaleer6112
@garymcaleer6112 2 жыл бұрын
Your posts give the best commentary I've ever heard. They always include the personal side of both commanders and soldiers which is more heartening than those who just give cold statistics that are never remembered without repetition. Happy New Year, 2022!
@ForgottenBattles
@ForgottenBattles 2 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year to you as well. Hopefully 2022 resembles something of a pleasant year for all of us lol. We try to make videos that include personal details that make the human story worth telling. Unfortunately, many videos/articles are just cold statistics without any level of understanding of human experience. I could not agree more. Much of my earliest readings about war were mostly soldier biographies and I'm glad that I did.
@rayrose5594
@rayrose5594 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for posting.....................
@siddragon75
@siddragon75 5 жыл бұрын
One thing I would like to say: Nimitz actually backed Spruance. When Admiral John Towers demanded that Spruance be relieved of his command, Nimitz refused. Halsey's aggression in the Philippines on the other hand, was heavily criticized by Nimitz.
@ForgottenBattles
@ForgottenBattles 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I wanna read more about that. Any book suggestions?
@jonathanwhitehouse2998
@jonathanwhitehouse2998 4 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenBattles Potter, E. B. (1990), Admiral Arleigh Burke, U.S. Naval Institute Press, ISBN 978-1-59114-692-6
@redskindan78
@redskindan78 4 жыл бұрын
Start, as always, with Samuel Eliot Morison's "Naval Operations in WW2". Morison praises Spruance for having kept the battle fleet near the islands, which was the objective of the campaign.
@redskindan78
@redskindan78 4 жыл бұрын
@@seanchick8451 I also have reservations about Morison's treatment of Fletcher. In general, though, I start with Morison and read from there.
@joechang8696
@joechang8696 3 жыл бұрын
Consider the orders given to Halsey for the Philippines. There were numbered items comprising a well thought out set of priorities. Then at the end was a statement without number, something to the extent: should an opportunity to engage Japanese carriers, that becomes the main priority. Afterwards, no one remembers putting that in, or having discussed it. My suspicion is someone from Towers staff slipped it in in response to Spruance's Marianna campaign. So in effect, Halsey was following orders. Of course, we can blame King because he wanted Towers out of his hair, and pawned him off to Nimitz. I believe Nimitiz's son? saw the order and said it was his dad's responsibility
@parrot849
@parrot849 Жыл бұрын
Hindsight is 20-20. Spruance primary orders were to protect the invasion Saipan invasion forces period. Could you imagine how he would have been vilified and raked over the coals if he allowed the likes of Jocko Smith and Mark Mitchner to go freewheeling off chasing portions of the Japanese fleet while Ozawa snuck a southern strike force into the invasion area. Admiral Halsey nearly got the U.S. Philippines Islands invasion fleet whipsawed by running off glory seeking the same way Smith and Mitchner wanted, but weren’t allowed to do.
@stephenmichalski2643
@stephenmichalski2643 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Simply excellent.
@georgemijatovic728
@georgemijatovic728 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thanks!!
@grizla1895
@grizla1895 5 жыл бұрын
great work m8
@papajohnloki
@papajohnloki 3 жыл бұрын
A further point- while Mitscher's original plan called for a night engagement Adm Willis Lee who commanded the battle fleet recommended against it because the battleships had not enough practice, And while turning on the lights was commendable it was far less risky than when Spruance had done it at Midway (for some reason it is still maintained that Spruance hated pilots).
@guhalakshmiratan5566
@guhalakshmiratan5566 2 жыл бұрын
"(for some reason it is still maintained that Spruance hated pilots). " I think that stems from a variation of inter service rivalry vis-a-vis "surface" officers (Cruisers, Battleships etc.) and "Aviation" officers (carriers, naval aviators etc.) Spruance background was the surface fleet. He didn't have aviation experience (and to his credit, never pretended to have any) and it pissed off a bunch of the aviator officers that he was placed in charge of the Fleet.
@73Trident
@73Trident 2 жыл бұрын
@@guhalakshmiratan5566 Lee and Spruance were both black shoe Admirals. Mitscher was a brown shoe. Lee and Spruance records stand by themselves, Mitscher not so good. And I don't even want too get into Halsey.
@tallwalls76
@tallwalls76 3 жыл бұрын
Well done. Thanks.
@ForgottenBattles
@ForgottenBattles 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. We try our best. New one is coming out soon :)
@kerry_glock
@kerry_glock 10 ай бұрын
My dad was a Radioman and Gunner in a SBD. He served from September of 1943 to September of 1945. In Jacksonville FL in 1944 he was in a Training Exercise and after they made a Bomb Training Run, he said the Engine Conked Out and the Pilot had to make an emergency landing. After finding an emergency landing field upon touching down without power the plane broke into 2 pieces between he and the pilot. Both had to be cut out of the plane. He was in the hospital for a few months and some Officers came to visit him and asked if he would fly again. He told them “If I can be put into a plane with more than one engine”. Due to his injuries, he was placed into PBYs and served the rest of his Service Time doing Patrol Duties on the East Coast of the Southern U S States. Hard for me to think what would have happened if he had continued his service in SBDs. Would he have seen Combat and survived the War? Would I be here? Thanks to all that Served past and present!!!
@bluejackgirlyx
@bluejackgirlyx Жыл бұрын
not bad kid. i like you. keep up the assiduos analysis...you are going places... shine on!
@o-h7567
@o-h7567 3 жыл бұрын
I would hardly classify the Battle of the Philippine Sea as a "forgotten" battle.
@Johnnycdrums
@Johnnycdrums 3 жыл бұрын
I know.
@drj.r.cooper2493
@drj.r.cooper2493 3 жыл бұрын
Well said! The criticism of Admiral Spruance reminds me of a VERY few jealous subordinates who thought they could do better, as well as ppl whose combat experience is limited to video games or Hollywood's portrayals. Nimitz, Halsey, King (AND ANYONE/EVERYONE WHO MATTERED) agreed with his decision. A major invasion was underway & 3 more major invasions were depending on Task Force 58. In every way, by every measure the Japanese Navy was SOUNDLY defeated. Face it, Admiral Spruance kicked ass! BTW, Leyte Gulf had LITTLE chance for success, as even IF the northern arm had defeated Taffey, the Japanese would not have defeated the invasion forces in the Philippines. The southern arm was soundly beaten and Halsey's critics keep forgetting that HE SANK THE REMAINING CARRIERS! I really don't understand why so many self-described "experts" act as if this & other battles were near misses for the Japanese. My father, 2 uncles & a much older cousin fought in WW2. These & other battles stayed with them for 60+ years. Plus, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS good men died fighting/winning this war, a war they didn't want & did not start. SO QUIT APOLOGIZING, IT IS THE ULTIMATE DISRESPECT TO THEIR SACRIFICE!
@Urlocallordandsavior
@Urlocallordandsavior 2 жыл бұрын
In comparison to the attention Midway, or Leyte Guff in terms of memorability, has gotten on KZfaq, I'll say otherwise. Even I wasn't familiar with this battle's nickname until watching this video.
@planegaper
@planegaper 2 жыл бұрын
@@drj.r.cooper2493 Face it, Admiral Spruance kicked ass! most under rated admirals in the US Navy.. King, Nimitz..and Halsey had complete trust in him (Halsey cherry picked him for Midway).. Not sure I'm down with Bull leaving Taffy 3 to it's fate, the defeat of the southern force left those big guns to engage center force even if they were late to the party.. Had Kurita decided to stick around, He would have faced a pincer , Halsey from the North, and Oldendorf to the South.. Oldendorf's ships didn't simply disappear , and would have become a factor in driving off, or smashing Kurita.. though with nasty us losses.. I don't know why people seem to think they just Vanish after the 25th, they could have been in theater at the latest by the 26th. Either way, every time the Japanese met Spruance in battle they lost something vital, midway, 4 carriers, Philipine Sea most of their air arm, Tarawa, Saipan, Tinian..notice how Nimitz left he most vital engagements up to him. His caution was placed in logic, not lack of aggression. notice Halsey Retired after the war, Spruance led the Naval war college, so he left a far more lasting impression on US Naval doctrine..
@davidharner5865
@davidharner5865 Жыл бұрын
What nickname 'Marianas Turkey Shoot'?? Really?!?
@tomservo5347
@tomservo5347 Жыл бұрын
I got this book a couple of years ago. It was used and to my delight it was an original print and a pilot from the 'Hell's Kittens' squadron actually signed it. They were an F6F squadron that took part in this. This battle contained so much drama it deserves a movie; flying late in the day at extreme range and having to fly back in pitch black darkness over an empty ocean with everyone constantly looking at fuel gauges. The insanity of desperate pilots trying to force a landing while running on fumes was only capped by a lost Japanese pilot that actually tried landing on a US carrier.
@Cobra-King3
@Cobra-King3 3 жыл бұрын
in all honesty, this battle is far from forgotten, it's one of the most memorable
@davidharner5865
@davidharner5865 Жыл бұрын
ALL pilots overstated enemy losses, especially of opposing planes.
@weldinco
@weldinco Жыл бұрын
The commanding pilot of this mission who wrote the after action report would disagree that "ALL” pilots overstate enemy losses. I know because I have had many conversations with him and the pilots and their crew about this mission. For those interested in the history of this mission please disregard the misinformed statement above.
@olivierlebeau5246
@olivierlebeau5246 2 жыл бұрын
nice homemade documentary ! good job ;-)
@papajohnloki
@papajohnloki 3 жыл бұрын
At Midway his carrier underperformed may be one of the greatest understatements of all time= see Symonds the Battle of Midway
@davidharner5865
@davidharner5865 Жыл бұрын
Did the carrier underperformed or did the leadership aboard?
@n1k2jfan96
@n1k2jfan96 Жыл бұрын
@@davidharner5865 Good point, and I would single out Mitscher and Hornet's CAG Stanhope Ring. To say the squadron leaders - and John Waldron of VT-8 in particular - underperformed at Midway would be a travesty.
@williamroberts8470
@williamroberts8470 3 жыл бұрын
18:00 not a Jill but a Myrt.
@blue_diamond_gem
@blue_diamond_gem 3 жыл бұрын
“The gargoyle” lol
@thomasbernecky2078
@thomasbernecky2078 3 жыл бұрын
no more forgotten battles left after this compendium.
@paulshearrer4721
@paulshearrer4721 3 жыл бұрын
Ll
@paulshearrer4721
@paulshearrer4721 3 жыл бұрын
loll lol ll
@paulshearrer4721
@paulshearrer4721 3 жыл бұрын
Ll
@paulshearrer4721
@paulshearrer4721 3 жыл бұрын
Ll
@paulshearrer4721
@paulshearrer4721 3 жыл бұрын
L polo lll
@briancooper2112
@briancooper2112 Жыл бұрын
Koda plane hasn't been found. Yes it was lost in typhoon but so was Gerald Johnson P-38 ace group leader
@PeterOConnell-pq6io
@PeterOConnell-pq6io 28 күн бұрын
His briefcase survived the crash, and Phillipino guerrillas found it washed up on a beach.
@stevesloan7132
@stevesloan7132 3 жыл бұрын
Not exactly the same flag. The color of the red dot on it was changed to a slightly different shade of red. I do not know why though.
@briancooper2112
@briancooper2112 Жыл бұрын
Halsey should of been court martial education for taffy3 and the typhoon
@DataWaveTaGo
@DataWaveTaGo 4 жыл бұрын
At 1:29 "After the death of..." should be "After his assassination by Killer Flight..."
@DataWaveTaGo
@DataWaveTaGo 3 жыл бұрын
​@Daniel McMillon Isoroku Yamamoto's assassination was pointless. The "Decisive Battle" strategy of the IJN doomed it to failure no matter who was in charge. On top of that Isoroku Yamamoto was always threatened by assassination FROM HIS OWN NAVAL RIVALS!!! He had to go into hiding or be at sea to escape the reach of fanatic rivals hell bent on murdering him.
@williamroberts8470
@williamroberts8470 3 жыл бұрын
Not an assassination. Just war.
@DataWaveTaGo
@DataWaveTaGo 3 жыл бұрын
Common knowledge.
@DataWaveTaGo
@DataWaveTaGo 3 жыл бұрын
@@williamroberts8470 No. It was a mob style hit job.
@steveclapper5424
@steveclapper5424 3 жыл бұрын
The Japanese seemed undisciplined.
@robertnegron9706
@robertnegron9706 3 жыл бұрын
The old saving face Asian way.
@jessehamm3573
@jessehamm3573 8 ай бұрын
"Quiet and unpretentious" Unusual for an Admiral. Sorry.....
@DalonCole
@DalonCole 3 жыл бұрын
Land based air raids?
@Cobra-King3
@Cobra-King3 3 жыл бұрын
Yes actually, while the US lands on Saipan, Guam, with her air bases under Japanese control sent out Fighters and Bombers against Task Force 58
@robertnegron9706
@robertnegron9706 3 жыл бұрын
The Japanese navy destroyed the Russian fleet in 1905. This led to the fall of Russia in October. 1917.
@skyportalmusic7178
@skyportalmusic7178 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus Loves You
@23draft7
@23draft7 3 жыл бұрын
He loves you also. Amen.
@haeuptlingaberja4927
@haeuptlingaberja4927 3 жыл бұрын
While I do have to applaud these young puds for putting this together, there are two obvious (and connected ) problems here. So, when the narrator sounds like a 17 year-old and he seemingly knowledgeably spouts newsreel-type cliches as he describes the goings-on back then as if from hard-won, firsthand experience, without any attribution to actual sources whatsoever, this listener was so distracted by the audacity of these teenagers actually pretending that they had written the 1950s noir script that they were reading that I couldn't even pay attention to their bizarre production.
@musikforkveld
@musikforkveld 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree. They are far more respectful towards the material and event than most 'pro' documentariea on History Channel et al, with their fake dramatic voice overs and cheezy lines.