It would be interesting to take the basket of bees washed in alcohol and wash them in dish soap to see if more mites drop after the initial wash and vice versa.
@thegardenfarmer2 жыл бұрын
Yea...good idea.
@taylorboysoutdoors2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
That would of been excellent. Thats exactly what I thought AFTER i pitched the cup of bees from the alcohol sample! Stay tuned for the follow ups...
@kathyhathaway88232 жыл бұрын
I had forgotten to tell you I was also doing sugar shakes to see the difference . Also there is another u tuber I watch . JC bees . After he does his Alcohol wash he washes them with plain water . That one adds mites in his wash so I tried that also . It stayed the same . “ zero “ . So I thought I was doing GREAT . Wrong . So I will continue to do my alcohol washes like I have been doing but I think I will give at least one OA treatment afterwards maybe not every month depending on what show up on my screen bottom board.🤷♂️🤷♂️
@taylorboysoutdoors2 жыл бұрын
@@kathyhathaway8823 yes U also sub to JC and enjoy his content. I always try to inky treat if need be to make sure I'm not creating a resistance. I also rotate treatments between OA apivar and apiguard
@williamhass32052 жыл бұрын
Excellent field test I heard that Dawn soap is a better wash than alcohol and I think you have just convinced me. Great work.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
The more I talk to folks bout this, the more it makes sense.
@spencerbohon94882 жыл бұрын
The reason your mite load climbs, since the last time you did a roll. Is because more mites emerged from the Brood. At any given time, a mite roll sample is probably only giving you about a 20% look at how many mites are actually in the hive. The majority are in the capped brood. That is why there is such a low standard of 1% being the threshold at which u then start treating.
@taylorboysoutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Randy O uses soap, so after looking at his studies and experiments that led me to believe it would work best. The releasing effect if the soap. I wish you would of washed the alcohol bees in a soap solution
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
I know...Stay tuned as we sort thru all this and follow up with more testing...Thanks for watching!
@nailladi1 Жыл бұрын
Dawn is my hero for so many farm things, especially animals! Look into the little girl who saved the ducks with her idea of using dawn dish soap.
@cornerstonehoneybees2525 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE that you did this test. I did an almost exact same test comparing 70% Isopropyl alcohol w/ a powdered sugar shake. This test was done in Texas, in July. Same hive was tested at the same time (although I didn't get the bees from the same frame - maybe I should have?). The sugar shake showed 2 mites in a 1/2 cup of bees while the alcohol wash showed 13 in 1/2 cup. After seeing your results and thinking about mine, I am beginning to wonder how much variability is in each test itself? In other words, if we did 4 alcohol washes on the same hive at the same time, how different would the results of each test be (and then the same question for both dish soap & sugar shake). Fwiw, I am pretty certain that one of the reasons that the powdered sugar test was not effective was that it was Texas, in July. Meaning - it was very humid. Humidity causes the sugar to clump very quickly. I am quite certain that this affected the usefulness of that test.
@horizontalbees34802 жыл бұрын
Very interesting information on the different mite treatments. Would like to see the test repeated a few times. Either way I hope your bees make it through winter.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the follow ups...Hope your bees are doing good too!
@michaelshelnutt35342 жыл бұрын
@horizontalbees Randy Oliver done testing and Dawn is better. They say you dont even have to agitate with Dawn.
@susanrowland8915 Жыл бұрын
I have read another study that says the dawn ultra is more effective in getting the mites to drop. You did this one 11 mos. Ago. Hope all went well. Thanks for the posting.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns Жыл бұрын
Hey there! Thanks for the feedback. We have switched to using nothing but Dawn. It’s very effective and has proven itself to be our preferred solution for mite washes.
@beehivewithaview97602 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched your video yet but I believe that universities studying different varroa mite treatments use an alcohol wash.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
They sure do and its concerning that the results may significantly vary.
@bengibbon92292 жыл бұрын
The blue winter windscreen wash works great and is what I use.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Good to know!
@jimhegarty9561 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks!!
@toddsmith44436 ай бұрын
Demoing pulling down the sample container down a brood frame to roll bees into container for a 1/2 cup of nurse bees would have been a great addition for beginners to see. Did you find out thymol doesn’t control mites with brood present and works best for broodlees periods that year ?
@danschneider92192 жыл бұрын
Might have to make the motorized shaker like Randy Oliver and do a bunch side by side tests.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Was thinking it'd be handy to not have to shake the cups by hand!
@MinnesotaBeekeeper2 жыл бұрын
Randy Oliver's repeated testing leaned towards the Dawn. If I recall correctly.
@jerryswope83662 жыл бұрын
I have been doing treating through out the summer with a propane black fogger with food grade mineral oil with winter green oil just did a test zero mites
@JCsBees2 жыл бұрын
I hope that measuring spoon made it's way back to the kitchen. lol Great video, bud! The outcome was a little concerning. Another good thing about dish soap is we don't have to keep the mite shaker away from our smoker, as where with the alcohol it can be a fire hazard. I am curious what the out come would be with Basic-H, it's an organic commercial soap. Thanks for the experiment.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Jason! Let it be known far and wide that the spoon made it home and I didnt have to sing for my supper! Dish soap seems to be a more realistic medium for mite washes but the results are definitely concerning. Basic H is a great soap, but not sure about the surfactant % compared to Dawn Ultra. Dawn seems more cost effective and more accessible.
@carlsledge3868 Жыл бұрын
I got lectured by Frederick Dunn on his channel for saying Dawn Ultra platium 4X is better than Dawn Ultra clear, he said what he uses is cheaper, but I said since wife is bed ridden and I have do dishes and the cooking, it's cut grease 4X better so it's still a great bargain.
@charlescarlson1290 Жыл бұрын
One of the reasons 70% alcohol is used relates to flammability. It doesn’t burn.
@Dustpuuppy2 жыл бұрын
Really won't matter, as long as you're consistent. Going back and forth will skew your baseline. All you're really doing is getting some kind of baseline to compare this spring to last fall or whatever.
@TennesseeTim384512 жыл бұрын
Another great video mr burns!!!! I did kind of chuckle when you said sometimes alcohol is hard to get. We use hillbilly hand sanitizer, works like a champ!!! 😂🤣😂
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching buddy! There may or not be plenty of corn squeezins around for such if times get tough and all:)
@TennesseeTim384512 жыл бұрын
@@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns it flows like spring water through these hills!! 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻😎😂😂😂😂
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
@@TennesseeTim38451 y’all have the cleanest hands around!
@altaylor2932 жыл бұрын
Interesting test Greg. I would do the same on another hive or two to see if similar results.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Great idea
@mattsara28022 жыл бұрын
Wow. I am shocked 😳 if rubbing alcohol is that low then that means we all have way higher mite counts. Wow wow making me nervous
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what I’m leaning toward…we’ve been treating at a threshold that may be to late to come back from based on alcohol and 2%.
@dwightcarter63342 жыл бұрын
Have you tested your VSH hives?
@SpoonerTuner Жыл бұрын
Did you ever do a mite wash on the VSH hives?
@sterlingknight832 жыл бұрын
That made me curious so today I did an alcohol wash with about 300 bees then a soap wash of about 300 using bees from the same tub I shook them into. The alcohol showed 4 mites and soap had 2. Then I went to another hive that had been missed for treatment (oops, its treated now) and I got 48 mites from alcohol and 37 from soap. I'm sticking with 90% alcohol, the soap foams too bad also. Thanks for the video.
@maksimstadnik19182 жыл бұрын
You should put the alcohol washed bees into the soap, and see if you get more... 🤔
@kathyhathaway88232 жыл бұрын
If you think this is odd . I have done alcohol washes all season well about every 30-45 days . On two hives I have had zero’s all year ( great ) NO on the other hive I had zero all the time but one in that I had four mites . So I was thinking what a great year . WRONG . I was using 91 percent alcohol. In September I thought I would just try a OA TREATMENT. I like to have fell over I could not count all the mites it looked like thousands. This was on all three hives . I just done my fourth OA treatment an will check it tomorrow. On the third treatment they was way down. I may have to do one more . It may have been some kind of a mite bomb do not know but great full I found them before winter. . 🤷♂️
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Wowzers! Sure hope you get those rascals knocked back and bees looking good for winter! Mite bombs seem very likely this year with many colonies starving out and getting robbed.
@Kevin-pq2zy2 жыл бұрын
what is your final thoughts on the dish soap test? Are you staying with Dish soap or going back to alcohol ?
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
We’re getting ready to trial them both again and see if we get the same results…then we’ll form a final thought and more importantly a solid metric.
@russellkoopman30042 жыл бұрын
Greg, what I've heard is that the soap works better. That sure wasn't good news. As a researcher by trade we never trust one sample in research. It has to be repeatable. Were the bees with the most mites on the bottom of the box?? My gut says the soap wash is more accurate but I'd do at least three and then compare the results. Thanks for doing the test. This maybe part of the reason why people are getting low mite counts and then all of a sudden the hive is in a nosedive full of mites. I like the idea of OAV to knock down 20-30% right away. Good luck.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback Russell. Stay tuned for the follow ups as we try to get a head of this. Im very concerned that if this proves out, that we have been basing our treatment thresholds at levels that are actually far higher than thought.
@russellkoopman30042 жыл бұрын
@@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns I agree. With 80% in the brood it is hard to know what is going on.
@carlsledge3868 Жыл бұрын
I know what's going on my backyard hives, they're 30 days into a 75g OA & 75g veggie glycerin heated and soaked into swedish sponges cut in half, 2 havles on the top bars over the brood nest of my 4 double deeps, that's per hive dosage or 20 deep frames and 1/2 that in my 5 over 5 nuks, gonna see if I have any mites come the end goldenrod flow, mine hasn't bloomed yet. OAE is probably the best way to go and leave it on for 3 full brood cycles, with bees tracking all around in the hives. yeah yeah yeah, I know it's not an approved method, but I don't take any after spring flow honey, I leave it all for the bee's sake and my queens are all still laying fine, so we'll see if I have any colony losses, come February.
@kathyhathaway8823 Жыл бұрын
Yep they are loaded . 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@texasfriendlybeekeepers82102 жыл бұрын
Well done! So you think the Dishsoap is more accurate than Alcohol??
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’m really leaning toward, the 2% threshold established for 90% rubbing alcohol is WAY too low. I will be shifting my IPM to reflect and will rely on Dawn as the baseline. I have a sneaking suspicion that far too many are waiting too long to take action based on the “science”. From what I see, science is 2-3 years behind reality.
@rgb50312 жыл бұрын
Have you tried using a different brand of rubbing alcohol than Equate? {I've learned that 'Up & Up brand' rubbing alcohol from Target store, will melt nail polish, where as the 'Equate brand' rubbing alcohol will not, so clearly not all brands of rubbing alcohol are the same, as many people naturally tend to assume. Who checks or regulates these things anyhow? Does anyone???}.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Great comment! Maybe all arent created equal. I assumed that 90% Isopropyl was the same but maybe its not?
@thegardenfarmer2 жыл бұрын
Man...I had hella mite count this year too... looking at the same % as you. I haven't treated yet and I'm debating whether I want to treat or not.... Are OA treatments creating OA resistance in mites? I don't know... Next season I'm going to do some checks throughout the season and track the individual hives. The hives that have low numbers all season, I'm going to steer clear of treatmen. Try and see if they bees can develop a resistance to thr mites on their own. I know Don has said otherwise...but there clearly needs to be more work done on this matter.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
High mite counts seem to be heavily trending in the Ohio Valley this fall. I'm not sure what to think about OA resistance...Ive has squeaky clean counts all year and haven't treated until recently. Thats the problem, if you're not on top of it, it gets out of had and quick. What I do know is that less mites=more productive and healthier bees. How we get there...thats what we are all working on...
@randyclinganfarms48062 жыл бұрын
Or the alcohol kills mites to quick and they stay attached to the bees in the wash
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Thats a good thought...that could be a real problem.
@Blgtn432 жыл бұрын
Do you treat differently with 2.8% or 7.5%? If not why not just assume all hives mites and treat for mites and forgo mite washes.
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Great question. I wouldn’t have been so heavy handed on the treatments on less of a mite load. The double blow saved many colonies but ultimately ran a bunch of smaller colonies out.
@wadebarnes67202 жыл бұрын
How's it going everybody
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
Hey Wade!
@wadebarnes67202 жыл бұрын
A really cheap bottle of vodka does the same
@wadebarnes67202 жыл бұрын
You got a whole lot of mits
@NaturesImageFarmGregBurns2 жыл бұрын
If judging on the standard alcohol wash its not too awful bad BUT if the actual count is the soap wash...nearly doomed.
@JaxTropics2 жыл бұрын
Did'nt you just kill your bees?
@michaelshelnutt35342 жыл бұрын
Yes, it kills the samples. Small sample to save the hive. Also, a Queen lays up to 2,000 eggs a day, so would be replaced in no time.
@bricelarie65272 жыл бұрын
It is summer times bees ... They don't live that long whatsoever ... And truth stand he's preparing his hives to go thru winter so he needs to have somehow what to adjust treatments to get it properly done . Think of it otherwise : Beekeeper wishes will always be same having healthy clean productive breeds that do not need any kind a "survey" ... We're not that keen on playing doctors with bees ... Unfortunately, varroa is a pretty long bee affection sort of ... There's some so-called non lethal varroa counts techniques developed with Co2 ... Not that cheap, not that efficient yet ... The remarkable point here stand we used to be told alcohol was "efficient" for autumn mites counts . Reality seems to show different results while talking efficiency and results precision .... And costs ! We almost all wishes we do not need to push be thru any kinds a treatments . It's not something we take pleasure nor satisfaction of . Thanks. Dare, care, ride safe, clean, have fun ... From France with.