How To HARVEST and REPITCH Yeast

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The Brülosophy Show

The Brülosophy Show

2 ай бұрын

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Rather than pitching a fresh pouch of yeast into every batch of beer, most professional breweries reuse yeast harvested from prior batches. And that practice is commonly replicated at the homebrew level. But how best to do it, and what are the limitations? Brülosophy contributor Jordan Folks has harvested yeast for reuse over one hundred times and he’s going to show us exactly how he does it. Plus we’re going to look at the results of an exBEERiment to see if blind tasters could tell the difference between a beer brewed with harvested yeast versus one brewed with a packet of fresh yeast.
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@Undergroundfrog
@Undergroundfrog 2 ай бұрын
Jordans audio is really good. Better than most small youtubers/podcasters I come across - impressive!
@FairDrinkumBrewing
@FairDrinkumBrewing 15 күн бұрын
my estimation is it was recorded via zoom, and the editor used a separate audio track for Jordan, so they could edit the audio with EQ etc how they needed
@daveshopfenstube
@daveshopfenstube 2 ай бұрын
Great video! I worked in a traditional brewery in Regensburg, Bavaria for a few months and they even repitched their slurry from a Bockbier with a gravity of 1.064 into their Helles with no issues whatsoever. Also they gone through 50 cycles of harvest and repitch before they get a fresh pitch from the lab. On the homebrew level, I had the same expierence like you Jordan and my method is really close to what you are doing. Hope to see you more often in these videos!
@dunnmeiertv8943
@dunnmeiertv8943 2 ай бұрын
Hey, Dave hier! 😂 😅 Greetings from Dresden to all of you
@PierceRandall-hf7vf
@PierceRandall-hf7vf 2 ай бұрын
I use the Brulosophy website method, which I might have been doing before I saw it on the website (I don't remember): Make as starter, pour off 300 ml into a mason jar, pitch the rest. Build the next starter with the mason jar which you keep in your fridge. No need to rinse or stress about gravity or weird hops you used in your last batch. I strongly suspect your pitch rate just has to do with the size and viability of your starter and that it's not even worth keeping track of how many cells you start with. I'll note this seems to work fine for multiple generations even with yeast blends. I haven't noticed a major change to, say, Imperial Dry Hop (a blend of Conan and the Sacc Trois strain) across 3-4 generations. I also freeze my yeast in a bank, and I freeze multiple vials at a time to avoid unnecessary generations. I have to use a small starter to build up from a frozen sample before building a bigger starter. Another thing I plan to do in the future with frothy top-croppers (like London Ale III) is overfill my pressure fermenter and use a blow-off tube out to a 2L bottle (also pressurized) to collect krausen, which would be like how breweries top crop.
@WyattCraneum
@WyattCraneum Ай бұрын
I have been using 1-liter club soda bottles for storage. When I'm done with the soda (never drink from it) I just spray some sanitizer in there and put away until i'm ready to put some slurry in it. They work really well and virtually no worry of bottle bombs.
@Styv93
@Styv93 2 ай бұрын
amazing video!!
@seanrowland1670
@seanrowland1670 2 ай бұрын
Yup , good info. Thanks guys.
@TheAlchemistsBrewery
@TheAlchemistsBrewery 2 ай бұрын
Now this is an incredibly useful subject!
@cain1s
@cain1s 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this one, Martin!!! I've been wondering for a long time about the best and most reliable way to re-use yeast. Excellent information here!
@Rtstrider
@Rtstrider 2 ай бұрын
Took some inspiration from this video and decided to rack some wort onto a full yeast cake today from a prior brew. Holy moly it's insane and FAST!!!! Thanks for all of the work put into these videos!
@BrewabitRick
@BrewabitRick Ай бұрын
Really interesting and really easy to understand. I’ve re used yeast loads with great results cheers guys 👍🍻
@19dleeg66
@19dleeg66 Ай бұрын
Wow, awesome info! Did a dubbel, then a tripel (currently fermenting) with the same yeast. After seeing this, I'm going for the quad when the tripel is done. Keep up the good work 🤛
@RiggerBrew
@RiggerBrew 2 ай бұрын
I have done the yeast cake bit before to 3 generations. Using a Conical fermenter I did drop the trub from each batch. Started with a Cream Ale, then a Nut Brown, and the last was a Porter. They all were great and the last two fermented more vigorously.
@chadlorraine2910
@chadlorraine2910 2 ай бұрын
Great video & info! Like a lot of commenters, I’ve done the yeast wash method a number of times. A well known home brewer had said he top crops his yeast for harvesting, and that’s become my preferred method as well. Would look forward to top cropping being discussed in the future. Thanks so much for all your hard work, Martin😎
@jtc95
@jtc95 2 ай бұрын
As always, great video! I tend to do overbuilt starters most of the time now which is the same concept, just harvesting at a different point in the process. Just checked one of my jars and lo-and-behold, looked like 50mL of slurry which means approximately 100B cells, exactly the amount I overbuilt by!
@seriomarkj
@seriomarkj 2 ай бұрын
100% doing this for my next saison, need to collect that yeast
@natedizzy
@natedizzy Ай бұрын
Awesome I've been using slurries for a while now due to my frugality, haha. Every nice to hear this info from a good brewer and I agree that strong batches are also no good for a repeat. Thanks!
@donaldmorrill1636
@donaldmorrill1636 2 ай бұрын
I brewed on a ten barrel system twenty plus years ago. We re-pitched off the bottom of our fermenters 12 times before using new Yyeast smack packs.
@JoeWatts1
@JoeWatts1 2 ай бұрын
Great info here for sure, I always wondered if you could figure out the rough cell count based off the harvested yeast measurement. Thank you! Also, I've successfully harvested yeast off my blow off tube, specifically WLP066 or I suppose any vigorously top fermenting yeast. Obviously make sure all is sanitized especially the blow off vessel, but because it blows off mostly yeast, what is left in the blow off vessel is super clean and barely needs to be washed. cheers!
@jgar538
@jgar538 Ай бұрын
This was a great one. I used to save yeast slurry, but my house burned down and though I'm back in the saddle, I have not gotten back into the slurry reuse in the way I used to. I do remember some yeasts like the Belgian strains did not hang in there very well for any length of time. Cheerz.
@mb5o
@mb5o 2 ай бұрын
Over the years I have re-pitched yeast over and over. When the characteristics (taste, clarity, etc) of the latest brew become too different from the desired results, I use a new pack of yeast. For the last while, I have been using Kveik yeasts which have been quite hardy and retained steady characteristics through the repitches. I have collected the yeast from the bottom of the fermenter or the top of the krausen, and the resulting beers have been great, seemingly independently of the pitching rates (as stated in kveik yeasts documentation). It is worth trying new yeast, but when I find one I like, I re-use the hell out of it.
@paskrell
@paskrell 2 ай бұрын
Schlenkerla helles is a beer pitched with their märzen smoke beer yeast. It gives it a slight smoky note without being a smoked beer. Great beer!!!🍻
@cliff3033
@cliff3033 Ай бұрын
Another great video thanks guys. How does Jordan aerate his wort before pitching harvested slurry? Is pure oxygen required?
@eike7519
@eike7519 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the great video. As a follow-up, it might be interesting to see how overbuilt starters compare to the harvested yeast, especially after a number of uses in starters. I personally use this method to maintain my yeast bank, and since I keep the conditions in each starter the same with enough fermentables, nutrients, and oxygen, I think I could keep the yeast as it was when packaged. But I haven't done the experiments to support that claim.
@mikekeller5202
@mikekeller5202 2 ай бұрын
Bloody good, what have you been brewing lately Martin?
@JohnDoe-es5xh
@JohnDoe-es5xh 2 ай бұрын
If we brewing the same sort / type of beer again, we leave the remainig yeast slury from the last brewing in the keg. That works also very well under pressure fermentation.
@krisj451
@krisj451 28 күн бұрын
I would like to know where to get those mason jar lids! They are perfect!
@simonboughton4705
@simonboughton4705 2 ай бұрын
I use All Rounder fermenters, when I keg I leave the yeast slurry in the fermenter and under a bit of C02 pressure , then leave them covered with a blanket until I brew again. On brew day I simply open the top and pump the wort in. No cleaning of the fermenter, low risk of contamination as not actually bottling the slurry and beer is good.
@quillibrium-dk6jz
@quillibrium-dk6jz Ай бұрын
For Ale yeast, I do a very similar method, except decant the beer on brew day and take note of the volume. Then I let the slurry warm up and top up with distilled water and shake. I let this sit for a few minutes before pitching and then pitch a percentage of the jar (discounting the distilled water). This distilled water step is an attempt to do a mini rinse on the yeast and hopefully let some of the trub/hops/dead yeast settle out and pitch the most viable yeast.
@foxcubbrewing7100
@foxcubbrewing7100 2 ай бұрын
From my perspective, re-using yeast is a must to save costs, especially if you are brewing at a large scale. But Viability will utilimitly reduce over generations. A common practice to consider would be a Blue Methalyne stain test, which tests the yeasts ability to remove the blue colour of which is checked under a microscope. From this you can accuratly calculate the Billions of Viable yeast within a small sample, and calculate your pitching rate accordingly. Once the yeast viability drops to an unacceptable 90% (target is 95%) then its time maybe start over. Again though great video 🙌
@tman9338
@tman9338 2 ай бұрын
I’ve washed yeast up to 5x using rinse method Emmmit video with 5 g and 3g carboys. Only brew high gravity beers 1.074 to 1.83 and just overpitch with no problem. Only issue was yeast going bad due to sloppy sanitation ( filtered water rinse) versus boiled water.
@DimpieDeBruyn
@DimpieDeBruyn 2 ай бұрын
Been doing it for years 👍
@viper29ca
@viper29ca 2 ай бұрын
Used to harvest, but generally only strains that I bought as a liquid. Dry yeast I would just buy a new packet. Now a days, I pressure ferment, closed transfer the beer out of the keg (or don't bother and just drink the beer out of the same keg) and pour new wort in on top of what is left on the bottom. Maybe every 3-4 brews I will pitch a fresh pack. Mostly using Voss and Lutra, so pretty much works for most styles of beer.
@silveraven1
@silveraven1 2 ай бұрын
What’s your reason for not reusing the dry yeast?
@viper29ca
@viper29ca 2 ай бұрын
@@silveraven1 Because it's cheap comparatively to liquid. US05 and other Safale, Mangrove Jack, Lalbrew yeast is like $5/pk. Not worth the hassle and work involved saving it. If I don't have another batch I can throw in on top of it, then I just start with a new pack. I will hold the slurry in the keg for a little while, if I know I am going to be brewing again in a couple of weeks, but otherwise I just use fresh packs.
@donnhaviland9629
@donnhaviland9629 Ай бұрын
I am going to try my first repitch of a slurry from a batch of german pilsner using cellar science german lager yeast. Fingers crossed!
@danmartvk
@danmartvk 2 ай бұрын
I do this all the time. I always make a starter though. 1-2l depending on the beer it is going in
@bobbob-ze9zo
@bobbob-ze9zo 12 күн бұрын
Next please try making your own hops shots and using those only for a brew.
@methodandmadness1
@methodandmadness1 2 ай бұрын
I typically make beers with an OG around 1.078 and will repitch from batch to batch, always with a starter to build it back up each time and what I think is reducing the stress
@1964mjc
@1964mjc 2 ай бұрын
Brew in kegs under pressure serve from keg with floating dip tube straight off yeast (in fridge) about gen 3 or 4 (of same or similar type eg us-05 on pale ale and ipa and pacific ale I put all in same class - same with any of the lagers using w34/70. Eventually there’s too much yeast so I O2-free closed transfer to another keg.) when starting to become “flavour muddled” I use new yeast (often found this to be about gen 6) . If I dry hop heavily the above becomes too tricky, unless next beer has same or similar hop (eg cascade and Amarillo or citra mixed can create a “new flavour” - but of course unrepeatable !! I Do sometimes save in jars but only for specialty yeast always build a starter (and sometimes overbuild starter to save half before the pitch) to make sure ok and take a sample of starter to taste test - if just tastes yeasty I pitch the starter (not the tasting sample!) if anything off I don’t use it..
@chrisblake6
@chrisblake6 Ай бұрын
Great video lots of good info- I rinse and reuse all my Yeast usually up to 5 pitches. My question is how long can it stay in the fridge between beers? I've heard a month before but how much longer do you think it could go safely?
@donkeykongcounty2445
@donkeykongcounty2445 Ай бұрын
Personally I wouldn't push it for more than a couple weeks with a lager and 3 to 4 with an ale strain. Kveik is weirdo shit that will live forever so go nuts.
@thekris4378
@thekris4378 2 ай бұрын
A few times I’ve reused yeast. I have had success with medium OG beers. With higher abv meads, I’ve had one success and two that I’ve had to pitch some more yeast and it started up soon after.
@captainsalmonslayer
@captainsalmonslayer 14 күн бұрын
Pitched some voss slurry in a mead that was last used 13 months ago. Took longer than usual to kick off but had no issues.
@centtimmy4951
@centtimmy4951 Ай бұрын
Suscribed after 3 minutes feel like hes got a lot of things i would not test myself 😂
@jgdudash
@jgdudash Ай бұрын
Great video... Thanks! I have a different question that you may know the answer to... Instead of harvesting yeast why not just buy a pack of dry yeast and use a small portion to create a yeast starter. You could freeze the remaining dry yeast for use at a later date. This seems equally economical and easier than yeast harvesting. I am new at brewing so is there some reason that this is a bad idea?
@coolieo5000
@coolieo5000 2 ай бұрын
Would love to see an experiment with high dry hopped beers washing Vs not washing the yeast. Is it something that's been done?
@Margarinetaylorgrease
@Margarinetaylorgrease 2 ай бұрын
I used to strain my through a 200mesh hop basket thing. Had to shake it a bit but most of the hops got left behind
@garyelderman8391
@garyelderman8391 Ай бұрын
Would it lengthen storage life if dormant yeast was put in sanitized jars and then vacuum sealed before refrigerated storage?
@kingquesoIV
@kingquesoIV 2 ай бұрын
why do you keep sanitizing after opening the vessels instead of before?
@redheadsg1
@redheadsg1 2 ай бұрын
I harvested yeast 2 times but didn't reuse them yet. I was also cleaning/washing or separating yeast from trub and separation process is a bit annoying because i used a lot of distilled water (a important information left out of this video) that together cost same as 1 packet of dried yeast Kveik. So currently i don't know if (for me) harvesting and cleaning yeast if actually worth it.
@scottyzlive
@scottyzlive Ай бұрын
I’m hoping to harvest Lallemand Verdant from a NEIPA 1.068OG at day 4 before dry hop then repitch into a DIPA with OG 1.080 I’ll then toss this yeast. Just hoping to utilise the 2 packets for both batches.
@orange-micro-fiber9740
@orange-micro-fiber9740 2 ай бұрын
When does a slurry expire? I used a harvested a cream ale a few months after previous pitch. I did a starter. It was gross (though a bit of orange juice made it tolerable insyead of dump able.)
@Margarinetaylorgrease
@Margarinetaylorgrease 2 ай бұрын
I’ve been using a separatory funnel and losing bit of the bottom. I also add a tiny, tiny amount of zinc.
@PierceRandall-hf7vf
@PierceRandall-hf7vf 2 ай бұрын
I add some bread yeast while I boil the starter as yeast nutrient, but I've been thinking about adding zinc. How do you dose? Do you just use vitamins with zinc?
@Margarinetaylorgrease
@Margarinetaylorgrease 2 ай бұрын
@@PierceRandall-hf7vf I’m adding 0.1g of zinc sulphate to 1L of water and using 100ml of that water to give me 0.01g of zinc sulphate. Tiny weeny amount🥸 Might be worth checking the numbers is it’s just what I’ve pick up from a quick Google I also only airate my yeast and not my wort have tipped of the old beer and added about 1L of cooled boiled water. Due to foaming I’m try airating only the water now Apparently it’s spelt aerating.
@reyn66
@reyn66 2 ай бұрын
I ferment in a keg. So it goes straight into a new keg with my wort. But before it goes in I give the yeast a taste. It may sound disgusting, but it will let me know if I have any off flavors or an infection. I've tried the harvesting method, and I have had bad beer come out of it. For me, the harvesting has too many variables to get an infection and/or bad yeast.
@ehhagen
@ehhagen 2 ай бұрын
I rinse mine and let it crash it in a sanitized rectangular Tupperware for about 2 to 3 hours. Then jar it up. The pulls from that are so clean.
@burlinghomebrewing
@burlinghomebrewing 2 ай бұрын
I’m in the harvesting from starter camp. Do people still make starters? If you do, not sure why you wouldn’t harvest this way if your batch size is 5g or less.
@tim-tim-timmy6571
@tim-tim-timmy6571 2 ай бұрын
To measure the amount of compacted yeast you have, with no marks on the jar, you could assume that the jar is a cylinder and calculate the volume based on radius and height. You won't have to open the jar and risk contamination.
@BrewingWithBrandon
@BrewingWithBrandon 2 ай бұрын
Based on what Jordan said in the video, wouldn't 400ml of slurry be a huge over pitch? I wonder if using less of the yeast slurry would have a different result. I've done back to back imperial stouts with the same yeast with good results. Great video as always Martin
@MsPaulsgirl
@MsPaulsgirl 2 ай бұрын
I use 15/30ml with no issues!
@cstardustc
@cstardustc 2 ай бұрын
Would it be possible/advisable to freeze the slurry to keep it for longer? Effectively combining the method from a previous video. Also, is there a significant amount of trube(non-yeast or dead yeast particles) included in the slurry?
@PierceRandall-hf7vf
@PierceRandall-hf7vf 2 ай бұрын
There's a whole freezing method on homebrewtalk. It works great, although I've never done it with trub from the bottom of the fermenter, just an overbuilt starter. I'd wash the yeast first if it's from a prior ferment, but I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes.
@pancoasts2002
@pancoasts2002 2 ай бұрын
What about when you are using dry yeast? Could you collect and reuse?
@PierceRandall-hf7vf
@PierceRandall-hf7vf 2 ай бұрын
Yes. It's the same thing once it's rehydrated and fermenting, either in a beer or starter. People on forums used to say not to build a starter with a dry yeast, but I usually do because that's just how I reuse yeast, dry or otherwise.
@silveraven1
@silveraven1 2 ай бұрын
So I just use the calculator. So I’m assuming that it’s approximately 100 mil per 5 gallons on a 5% ABV beer? Also, how long would it be viable, that has been properly stored in a refrigerator?
@HaywardParkBrewing
@HaywardParkBrewing 2 ай бұрын
I don't add hops to fermentation and more so I can reuse my yeast . I do a large hop addition at 80 degrees and then whirlpool instead . I notice no difference in my beers . Might be a good experiment for you
@CTP-bbq-HundHutte
@CTP-bbq-HundHutte 2 ай бұрын
How long does he keep a jar in the fridge? Sorry if I missed that….
@philjohnwilliams
@philjohnwilliams 2 ай бұрын
I have used yeast that had been in my fridge for 6 months. Use an online pitch calculator to ensure you make an appropriately sized starter.
@JeffTheHokie
@JeffTheHokie 2 ай бұрын
@@philjohnwilliams I got an infection once that way. I used a big, loose jar,kept it in the fridge too long, opened it too many times, scooped the slurry out with a santized spoon, and probably allowed too much oxygen into the starter. Now I save my slurry in capped bottles. Open it once, and either use the whole bottle or dump the leftovers. Dumping the leftovers isn't wasting anything because you can get more from the new batch you are brewing. Remember, mason jars only seal under vacuum which you don't have, and every time you open a container you expose it to oxygen plus whatever germs may be floating in the air. Minimize exposure or you risk infection.
@1964mjc
@1964mjc 2 ай бұрын
300ml pet Soda bottles capped cleaned and sanitized make excellent little yeast storage containers..
@vexy1987
@vexy1987 Ай бұрын
If homebrewers are throwing away yeast strains after 5 generations, how on earth do commercial brewers maintain heritage strains longer term? How was this done in the past prior to refrigeration/freezer tech? Which also begs the question, what did brewers brewing >1.070 OG beers do to maintain their lineages? Or were brewers just making beer with off flavours, and punters had low expectations for their premium beers?
@donkeykongcounty2445
@donkeykongcounty2445 Ай бұрын
Breweries have access to laboratories and very smart people who know what they're looking at under a microscope.
@makuseitse
@makuseitse 2 ай бұрын
I have reused yeast more than 10 years. If its starts to get off-flavores then I star with new one. Usually 5 to 10 generations.
@JPch108
@JPch108 2 ай бұрын
mais de 200 vezes e 10 vezes o mesmo fermento...
@GodfreyTempleton
@GodfreyTempleton Ай бұрын
Let's just get this clear, one syphons the fermented beer off, say into a keg, then keeps the remaining residue in a fridge then uses it straight into the next fermentation. Surely not, Shirley?
@donkeykongcounty2445
@donkeykongcounty2445 Ай бұрын
common practice in a commercial setting! Yeast will get transferred into a yeast brink for the next batch.
@davidmelching5590
@davidmelching5590 Күн бұрын
Here's a recipe if you want to brew a beer that tastes like burned tires: First brew an Imperial Stout (11%) and then directly repitch the yeast from this one in a common Pale Ale. Have fun! Don't ask me why I know ;)
@normodegard183
@normodegard183 2 ай бұрын
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@tomwidauer8376
@tomwidauer8376 Ай бұрын
I have just started to make overbuilt yeast starters and then keep a decent amount in the fridge. So far, it seems to work well. I'm not far enough in to pass judgement but I am on my 3rd NovaLager starter and so far, all is good. ATM, I have about 5 jars with yeast and two starters in the making. Yeast is the most expensive ingredient in beer. Ferment a Lager to recommendations and you use something like 3 packs of Dubbya (W34/70 for those not in the know) at A$9.50 a pop. So about 30 bucks for a beer, where the hops cost you $5 or 6 and the grain around $18 when using the good stuff (Weyermann Premium Pilsner). That is more than half the cost of a batch. I don't do this with all the yeasts I am using, mainly Lager yeast because it is the most expensive but I do have Nottingham, Windsor and US-05 as I use a fair bit of them too. If I use a yeast 4 or more times a year, it is worth keeping some. As for re-pitching, it scares the living hell out of me. I've done 3 dirty batches and had one fail. 1 in 3 is too much to gamble away 5 hours of work. I know people who backfill their fermenters up to three times and had no dramas ever but I don't think I could get myself to go down that path.
@kyleleblanc4068
@kyleleblanc4068 Ай бұрын
I'm wondering....the formula was 100ml of slurry x2 for estimated cell count. However in my past experiences, yeast slurry that isn't thoroughly rinsed tends to have a significant amount of trub. There was no mention of this in the video.
@bobbob-ze9zo
@bobbob-ze9zo 26 күн бұрын
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