Yup. It’s a shame most “traditional” martial artists have no idea of any of this. I started Shotokan Karate 20 years ago, but only in the last year or two have I realized all of these principles are encoded into our Kata but I just never knew to look for them. Now that my eyes have been opened, I see them all the time whether I’m looking at Kata, other styles forms, or just boxing, MMA, Judo, etc.

​@alexanderren1097 what degree black belt are you?

@@31soham1 Not that it really matters but only 1st Dan. I was prepping for 2nd but never tested because Life happened and I left the JKA and stopped formal training. I’ve been ramping my training back up but having to train solo because there’s nothing in my area and I’m no longer interested in being part of an official Shotokan, or any other style’s organization.

This the problem with traditional martial arts. It's lost its true intention over the years, some people teaching it don't even know what they teaching.

@@mr.q337 I wouldn’t say lost so much as forgotten. But fortunately there’s a growing movement to rediscover and revitalize traditional styles. Patrick McCarthy and Iain Abernathy are particularly prominent in Karate and I expect this movement will become more mainstream in a decade or so

What did the doctors said you have may I ask? Just amazing!

bagua also helped me deal with a degenerted disc

Is that a references to Dale Gribble joke from King of The Hill?

Where in Texas? I’m in DFW

Where in TX is this available?

Hebei Chinese Martial Arts in Richardson @@Pope2501

no but it should be @@DenshaOtoko2 Sh-sh-shaaaa!

Roberto Duran baby! Hell yeah brother!

Fencer here. I can be completely off the mark here, but IMO this is because a lot of Chinese "internal" styles are originally weapon arts. When weapons have been removed from them (for various reasons) they have taken those concepts and applied them to empty hand combat (and also if you are empty handed and the opponent has a weapon). It's also why the same systems then have clinch/wrestling mechanics to deal when things get messy and too close, but these often get mistaken for longer range striking techniques.

@@vonbellum do you have experience with internal styles?

@@EvilWeiRamirez Wing Chun (I took the video in good humour 🤣)

@@vonbellum just gotta move out of that death gate. I guess with weapon styles, a lot of stuff is going to transfer over.

I was always taught what he described here anyway, you move off angle and around the opponent if you can't move them (what you practice with the jong). You would only be in that "death gate" and square up your stance if you are in clinch, same way you see the clinch in Muay Thai. Obviously you want to take the side/back, but fighting isn't always going to end how you want so you have to train in disadvantageous positions as well. And yeah, exactly that.

Kinda like how I explain to the usual ignoramus that KI is your focus, not the Force. A lot of people get those two things confused, somehow.

​@@teeprice7499in Chinese martial arts, qi is the energy that ends up producing the force, but qi is only directed by yi, which means "intention" or "focus"

@@eprd313 understood but when I say the Force I'm referring to the Star wars version which is a different thing

@@teeprice7499 ohhh hehehe right, spot on!

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This. I have practiced many, many martial arts over the years and i have never stopped sparring ever since i started and i gotta say that you are right and what you mentioned about moving to the sides is something that i teach about. Now then, there are workarounds to your opponent turning to face you again, these are found in Aikido, Baguazhang, Taijiquan, Wing Chun and other arts. Let me quickly go over some of them without too much detail: In aikido, once you get the opportunity to pull your opponent (might that be after they try to push you or you catch on of their attacks) you will attempt to do a throwing technique in the direction you pulled them, if it works, then that's it, but if you start feeling resistance, you keep going a bit so they resist even more and then quickly turn them in the opposite direction (the one they are trying to go to) this is usually done with the technique called "Kote Gaeshi" you can look that up here on KZfaq. Basically the same thing is done in Taichi but the whole Kote Gaeshi thing (or "Chin Na" in Chinese Martial arts) is not always done, instead they will just try to pull you down the other way, but Taichi, Bagua and Aikido do pretty much the same things The one that differs a bit is Wing Chun even tho i've seen Bagua masters teaching this too. Once you use your opportunity to get to the Life Gate (usually with the technique called "Tan Sao" and a punch at the same time) you do as if you were going to attavl again, your opponent has around 4 different actions that they can choose from and they all have a way to counter and can be reacted to (so you do not need to guess) So, one of those actions is try to turn to you again and put you in the Death Gate, right? Well, let me paint the situation for you, you are supposed to stick one of your arms to your opponent's closest arm and that's what you're doing, you are basically in a text book cross-arm position, but very close. So now they can only attack you with the other one, after they start turning into you, they will again have 2 options from which they can choose from, they can thy to use their other hand to defend themselves or they can try to attack you with it. If they attack, you use your free hand fro an easy Tan Sao and now you can just direct that hand over the other one and now they're trapped. If they choose to defend, that means that there is nothing to fear, now that you are in a cross armed position and your opponent isn't making the first move, you can do ANY of the Wing Chun 2-person trapping forms (look for "Kevin Lee trapping demo" on youtube to get a picture of what i'm talking about) This reply was too damn big, it always ends up like that when i talk about martial arts 😭 But as you can see (if you managed to understand all pf my babbling) is that you can make all of this work, but it requires some set up. Furthermore, i mentioned at some point that the opponent had 4 choices and only talked about one, i'll go over them quickly (this time for real). The 3 options were: -They back away. Answer: you stick to them and follow with techniques -They try to go in for a grapple/clinch. Answer: you frame them while trying to deflect them away or even hit them with your elbows. Sprawl if they go too low -They push you. Answer: this is easy. Training in almost any grappling art will allow you to counter this. You can do an arm drag or a forward throw.

I'm sorry for leaving such a large reply 😂 i can't help it! If you need further explanation, i'll be happy to talk about martial arts at any moment. And like i said, i've practiced many, many martial arts; do ask about any of them!

Yes it's difficult to apply against a skilled opponent; as you said, he needs to be momentarily off-balanced &/or distracted, either through over-commitment on his part or by your own techniques. Circling to the outside is a generally good principle though, as any boxer knows.

@@BWater-yq3jx exactly

Thank you!

He was showing xingyi though, not wingchun. He was indeed criticising wingchun.

Hahaha! I have only shown you a tiny fraction of what I know, and what I know is only a tiny fraction of what there is.

You did not just say Adam Mizner smfh.....we got another one 💀

Agreed here 100%.

No offense, but you seem to have completely failed to understand he point of this video. Adam Milzner is the OPPOSITE of ACTUAL real internal martial arts. He's a charlatan who is still pushing the mythical "internal" martial arts. Look at Ramsey's own video calling out Milzner's nonsense on this channel.

Exactly. People keep forgetting that what you train in taiji aren't fixed fighting techniques but a kind of skill that's more like a "mindset" and "bodyset" that improves your overall structure and efficiency when moving. And that transfers to literally anything.

Jesse-sensei!

Thank you!

I mean, he has known that they are legit for quite some time now

I mean, I’ve only been practicing Chinese martial arts for 15 years.

@@RamseyDewey sorry, I didn’t mean to sound critical. I just like to see when MMA coaches and fighters try and realize that traditional arts can be applied in modern times.

Considering that 哪家 literally means “outside the home” and 外家 means “inside the home”, that makes a lot of sense.

@@RamseyDewey i didn't even realize that the translation was so clear and direct. Makes a ton of sense though.

Make them. The comments section has been dead lately.

@@RamseyDewey thank you sir. You have my word. God bless

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His Ryu teaches Ken the shoryuken (Streetfighter parody) is as legit as Linji as a neijia practitioner. Can not wait to ramsey to explain to me, that he must be a legit ba gua practitioner cause he has a belly

@@RamseyDewey After watching the link, i would sure be interested to see you in a recruiting interview in the US answering why you are jumping around in a red pyjama and how the business you are working for is profiting cause of this

Watching this was exactly like the sort of lessons I get in Shotokan because of the overlap between Karate and Kungfu and as it turns out my teacher was making that point about the relationship between Karate and Kungfu generally. You're completely right, many of the very practical aspects of traditional martial arts get lost and it's because so many just go through the motions and they don't actually practice the technique especially when it comes to Kata. In Shotokan Kata's there are quite a number of joint lock and takedown techniques hidden away in the movements which a lot of MMA guys would be surprised by. This is something we've been going into a lot with sparring lately for the sake of learning more advanced sparring generally and getting more practical. This video is what you get when you see traditional martial arts being taught correctly, it's great Ramsey did this. Also worth noting, I have seen some of those exact techniques this guy is showing in Goju Ryu.

Almost all Wing Chun you encounter is Yip Man's, who was admittedly a horrible teacher. There are other schools of WC with better footwork, little emphasis on Chi Sao or even total lack of forms. Unfortunately, these are usually impossible to find and, thus, wide open to fraudulent "Sifu".

There's a theory that WC was made to mate Fujian boxing with western boxing. I believe this, not only because the WC stance is exactly the western boxing posture of those times, but WC's utter lack of the "spit/sink/swallow/float" principles that form the dynamics of virtually all other Fujian schools, in spite of the fact that WC pretty much shares their techniques.

From what my Sifu tells me is many generations ago the family that was carrying on the lineage of Wing Chun taught only to family. One day on the farm they lived on they were practicing and they noticed a neighbour watching them. The father modified his techniques to the odd stance and straight in fighting style, and when the neighbour wasn’t there he taught the original style to his children. So Modified Wing Chun got out to the masses but traditional family style which had a lot more techniques got taught only to the family. We don’t do the pigeon toed stance, we do lots of kicks, grappling, ground game, as well as the more traditional moves you see in Wing Chun. We never attack on the danger zone, but go off their attack line and come in from the side or back. Sifu hasn’t trained in MMA or other styles and yet we do lots of similar techniques.

Actually our Sifu teaches a lot of the same things as in this video.

I suspect it's a lot like how you don't see as many of the fancier, more obscure judo throws in MMA as compared to IJF competition, or why taekwondo stylists in MMA don't tend to throw quite as many spinning kicks. The ruleset and context of judo means that we spend a lot more time in mid-distance tie-ups where we can work to set up cool throws, the ruleset of TKD means they spend a lot of time outside punching range setting up long-range kicks, and the ruleset of Muay Thai means a lot of time is spent in clinches and other close exchanges where elbow setups can shine. In MMA, there's very little restriction on what can be done, which means that simpler setups are needed because the situation changes so quickly. There's a quip I've seen a few places (including this channel, I think), which says that 90% of BJJ doesn't work in MMA, because 90% of any specialised art doesn't work when you put it in an arena where (almost) anything goes. None of that is to say that the cooler elbow setups *can't* work in MMA, it's just that unless you've got two very clinch-heavy fighters matched against each other, so little of the fight will be spent in situations where elbows are relevant that it's generally more efficient to just use the simple ones, because you're probably not gonna get the chance to use them so much that the opponent will start catching on, and even if they do, they're probably not proficient enough in that area to start making you use the really fancy stuff.

To be a little more concise: let's say a really good nak muay can make it so that a Muay Thai fight takes place 50% in the clinch. In that situation, so many elbows are going to be thrown that sneaky setups start to be really important. In an MMA fight, on the other hand, takedown threats and general reluctance to clinch might mean that same fighter can only make the fight take place 20% or even 10% in the clinch. In that case, it becomes a lot more efficient to mostly use your best two or three setups.

@@someirishkid9241 the elbows i was thinking about is the straight elbow as a counter to punches

@@ihihiha3530 hmm, that is a good point, and my explanation doesn't really make sense of that. It's quite possible that you _could_ find an example of that being done in MMA, and it just hasn't happened on a big stage yet? There are two other possible reasons I can think of: firstly, the takedown threat combined with how close you have to get to land an elbow might make it unappealing, given how many people like to set up their takedown shots with their hands; if you commit to an elbow from outside the clinch and they happen to shoot a takedown at that moment, you more or less give them that takedown. The other is that from what I've seen, head movement is a lot more common and generally larger in MMA than in Muay Thai, so it may just not be as consistent a setup in that context?

Finally admitting? You are late to the party. I’ve been practicing traditional martial arts for over 30 years.

Which MMA coaches in China do you know? There aren’t very many.