MOBILE FIDELITY INNERS TESTED TO DESTRUCTION! 7 MOFI CLONES REVIEWED! IS THIS THE END FOR MOFI?

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Mobile Fidelity’s 3-ply sleeves have always been seen, by the vinyl fan, as the pinnacle of inner sleeve design. Paul Rigby wonders if that view needs to change
VIDEO CONTENTS
00:00 - Introduction
2:25 - MOFI Stripdown
8:24 - The China Question
10:21 - SEND IN THE CLONES
11:49 - Big Fudge
13:49 - Panmer
15:13 - Heldenklang
17:29 - Vinyl Styl
19:05 - Hudson HiFi
20:36 - PYP
21:37 - Gartopvoiz
23:06 - Final Thoughts
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@DelmarToad Жыл бұрын

It’s so funny that the MoFi Original Master Sleeves are made in China with cheap thin paper inside. At least they didn’t say that they’re all-analog!?

@ivansbacon Жыл бұрын

but they did say they are rice paper, and that is a lie.

@jamesmilton-willmott7593 Жыл бұрын

Vinyl Storage Solutions from Canada do the best inner and outer sleeves. (Mint Sleeves for us in the U.K.)

@LifelongMusicJunkie Жыл бұрын

Agreed! I buy from there all the time, with outer sleeves, box set sleeves, gatefolds, etc. Great quality stuff!

@rayred73 Жыл бұрын

VSS not only has the best inner, they are actually static free. The plastics don't stick together like MoFi and others when you insert or remove the record from the inner sleeves.

@bullobca Жыл бұрын

I recently cleaned and put my entire collection in VSS inner and outer sleeves, very happy with their products and delivery/service.

@leonardosullivan963 Жыл бұрын

I have tried Spincare and MA sleeves. Ultimately l have settled on the Mint Sleeves(UK) and have replaced all outer and inner sleeves.

@jeffreysobczynski7113 Жыл бұрын

Paul - thanks for resolving “sleevegate” - no but seriously it is comforting to have confirmation on what I have always suspected - I have probably bought all of them at one time or another - but have zeroed in on Hudson due to price and consistent quality. Thanks again. PS I think the arrow is an absolute necessity.

@paulreichel1522 Жыл бұрын

Excellent - as usual - we are lucky that you are out there doing stuff like this, Paul

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

That's very kind of you to say, thank you. Oh and watch out for an update to this on Sunday!

@ganonkenobi Жыл бұрын

After trying a few brands I've settled on "square deal recording supplies" sleeves. The inner paper layer feels 2-3 times as thicker than the MoFi/QRP sleeves.

@quikspecv4d Жыл бұрын

I switched to the Vinyl Storage Solutions 3mil sleeves last year and haven’t looked back.

@VIDSTORAGE Жыл бұрын

.. I noticed a while back that the rice paper sleeves I bought currently with a different name are basically the same as my 2007 MOFI album inner sleeve .. I have a MSFL Rolling Stones Some Girls 1983 original and the inner sleeve has no print at all on it and looks just like these sleeves that are sold today ...

@markcarrington8565 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Paul. I have officially bought my last MoFi inner sleeve!

@Pascal15B Жыл бұрын

Thanks as always Paul. It’s a bit concerning that they use rice paper in their product description, but just use bog standard paper. From what you describe about the glassine paper, it seems similar to film negative sleeving products.

@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion Жыл бұрын

I got some great deals on Hudson Hi-Fi inners and found them the same as MOFI. P.S. In the early days of MOFI, when it was MFSL, they offered a similar inner with no branding.

@danisold Жыл бұрын

Great review. Much appreciated!

@TheAgeOfAnalog Жыл бұрын

I've been using Diskeeper Ultimate Inners for years. They're the best I've used and they're still about 50 cents US each.

@hauskahirvi Жыл бұрын

Excellent video. I prefer the Nagaoka style sleeves. I found some good alternative sources in Denmark and Germany and at fair prices. I also like the paper sleeve versions that are lined with the Nagaoka type of material.

@bgroovin1343 Жыл бұрын

I've been using Big Fudge for years with no issues. Glad you came to the same conclusion. And just curious, is the proper pronunciation Vinyl "STYLE" or "STILL"? I've always said "STYLE".

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that.

@audiorick841 Жыл бұрын

I recommend being cautious when buying sleeves. If not from a non-brand, I recommend buying only one pack and putting your old record in it for six months or more before buying more. I made the mistake of buying great looking thick sleeves only to find out that seven months later there was a greasy film they had transferred to my favorite records that I could not get off. The seller offered me a rebate on new and improved sleeves but yet I had a bunch of expensive records that were marked.

@djsoulfilter Жыл бұрын

I’m extremely happy with the Hudson Hi-Fi sleeves.

@mswdesign9164 Жыл бұрын

I had some "Invest in Vinyl" sleeves which I thought were fine, but they - or at least the batch I got - were 1/8" wider than MoFi sleeves, which meant a lot of them stuck out of my record jackets. TAM, are all the sleeves you looked at all the same size? Only you can tell us.

@bassedthechannel Жыл бұрын

I’m curious if you ever saw the videos of people rubbing their records with the mofi sleeve and the records getting scratched. I think they rubbed the records in a circular motion.

@chrisshelley3027 Жыл бұрын

Hi Paul, I really enjoyed this review/shootout, thorough and informative and a money saver to boot, the thickness of the paper insert in these sleeves, I've worked with paper and card in various ways during photography, printing and being a magazine & newsletter editor, paper thickness at 80g is standard writing paper weight, better quality is heavier/thicker, below this is a no mans land of poor quality writing paper, but below 60g you start getting into other craft, tracing and decerative papers, these get quite to very expensive, my thoughts are that the paper in these sleeves are in that below OK writing paper but not thin enough for the arts and crafts purposes, so cheap because it's of little use for most things, sorry for the ramble.

@salimadam104 Жыл бұрын

There is also the archival sleeve by SpinCare which is considerably cheaper than any of those shown here. I used to buy them but I didn’t like that they didn’t have any arrow markings (hence I suppose from what you is why they are cheaper). Preferred to get the Big Fudge as they do but in the last year or so the price has shot up to near MoFi prices at least here in the UK, so i “treated” myself to MoFi ones… yes, I paid £2 more for the branding 😀

@seansrecords Жыл бұрын

the spincare are ok. i get the mofis but only because my friend with a shop gives them me at cost ... i am a whore and like the branding .. although mofi are absolutely doing their best to destroy their company 😂

@retro-robbo Жыл бұрын

Not sure if you made a slight miscalculation there. But you stated PYP was the cheapest. Yet PYP for £21.67 per 50 works out at 43p per sleeve. Hudson inners for £34.03 per 100 works out at 34p per sleeve. Currently I am using 2 different brands not on this list and quite happy, Grooveguard and Spincare.

@steve-zschannel2729 Жыл бұрын

I always thought that the go to inner sleeves which I used for years were the ones made by Nagaoka.

@bvander131313 Жыл бұрын

Good review but unfortunately it misses one comparison and that is the measurements. I bought two packs of Big Fudge some time ago when MoFi sleeves were not available in Germany. Some of the sleeves were fine as you described them in your video. But there were quite some tolerances in size, so much that I actually had to cut the top off of a lot of them as they would not fit into the outer sleeve without getting totally wrinkled and even stuck. The cutting led to the sleeves fitting in the end but also the paper layer being cut open. At the time reviews on Amazon mentioned the sleeves being 'too long' as well. Not sure if they now have this better under control. Would be nice if you could check as well. Other than that I would happily have kept using Big Fudge sleeves.

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

I'll address this point - finally! - in the next video, out Friday. Watch the skies!

@siaynoqmovement9802 Жыл бұрын

Maybe you could find out why the heck we can't get a blank ultradisc cd case lol.

@NickP333 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Paul. I used to buy MoFi inner sleeves for years, but I then found packs of 100 Hudson HiFi inners for the same price as 50 MoFi’s. The Hudson ones are pretty much identical, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re from the same factory with different labels printed on them. Their outers are nothing special, imo. I prefer Sleeve City inners and outers for my more treasured records, and Acoustic Sounds outers for the rest. Sleeve City also sell very nice inners and outers for 7” and 10” records.

@gharris2389 Жыл бұрын

here in the USA the Hudson inner sleeves are much cheaper than the MoFi ones. I have used both and happy to stick with the Hudson. Same story for their outer sleeves

@hurkamur1 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the 500 packs are the best deal around

@HoomanR17 Жыл бұрын

Paul here in the US I buy both the MOFI and a "clone" version and the value of the record dictates which one get which sleeve. I wished your review would have been done more like your alcohol and surfactant video. Something that I personally have not taken the time to fully grasp (which is why I use MOFI for the pricier records) is determining which chemical composition is best for the records... Given issues with chemical interactions of various forms in the past between plastic inner sleeves, or even outersleeves that ruined records, I for one would like to know once and for all, what compound regardless of thickness is the safest against a PCV record for its lifetime. I have a feeling it will be the same rabbit hole as alcohol!

@austinlibby7025 Жыл бұрын

Hi and many other audio files I remember always using them in 1972 and Campell records I was introduced to rice, paper vinyl, and to this day I am still using and have been using vinyl covers on all my records. Nothing better than many things could be worse rice paper that’s it rice, paper sleeves

@ReasonablySane Жыл бұрын

I ended up with square deal brand sleeves, plastic and rice paper. $36 for 100. I got them from Amazon, but they don't sell them any more...

@gingernutpreacher Жыл бұрын

Excellent vid i use the rounded ones because im cheap but can I ask you a questions slightly off topic have you ever found cheaper cartridge can sound better on ava max heven or hell (EDM) album to me sounded better on the audio-technica 3600l than with the gold ring E3 it sounded lacking in harmonics ( because it was) but the 3600l had colour and almost humed have you ever found a record or pressing to sound better with the cheaper cartridge?

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

The reason recordings sound better on cheaper carts (and you can apply this comment to any piece of HiFi, actually) is because the better design is possibly too good for the host. That is, the better cart starts to reveal issues, it highlights problems elsewhere, it spotlights bottlenecks and the like. The cheaper cart masks those issues, sounding 'better'.

@gingernutpreacher Жыл бұрын

@@TheAudiophileMan but it is only a issue with EDM a 67 record of jerry lee Lewis sounds better with the E3 is it giving clarity and revealing detail

@whitey7998 Жыл бұрын

Best inners I have used are the Vinyl Storage Solutions 3mil inners. Far stronger than any of the others.

@ralex3697 Жыл бұрын

Agree, they are my go to

@CatDadChris Жыл бұрын

I have used their 10" inners and they are great.

@SQDLVR Жыл бұрын

Very interesting my record store carries Vinyl Styl sleeves.

@hurkamur1 Жыл бұрын

I'm sure I bought the mfsl Original master sleeves in the early 2ks, and maybe as early as the late 90s. They uses to sell them as 10 packs, and as far as I remember the original ones did use rice paper, and were manufactured in Japan. I could be mistaken though about the manufacturing. At some point they changed them to a lesser product. As of recent, I've been biying the hudson ones, and they are nice quality for the money.

@MX-S Жыл бұрын

As far as you know, would there be any benefits to actually using 'rice' paper, and would / should it be more expensive ?

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

None at all. I could see benefits for using thicker printer paper to enhance the structural integrity of the inner but that’s it. Adding (presumably relatively expensive) rice paper only adds needles expense for less sleeve strength.

@hagbard.celine6737 Жыл бұрын

Danke! - Thank you Sir for all the work and the great review. I need to buy an exchange 600 Inner Sleeves in my collection. I sorted out any kind of rough paper sleeves and PVC sleeves. I need to replace them and thought about to buy the expensive MOFI product. But your review helped me a lot and i will buy the Heldenklang now, cause it is the easiest way to get in Germany. Kindly regards to you and thanks again.

@hagbard.celine6737 Жыл бұрын

I recognized that the "Heldenklang" Sleeves are not longer available for buy. I don't know if they are out of stock or not longer available.

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! Very kind. Thanks for your support.

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

I have seen the company selling outer sleeves - I think - in Europe. But their inners are only available in the UK (at the time I made this video). Could be a stock thing though, sure. I’m sure they will be at the mercy of Chinese suppliers.

@arthurgordon6072 Жыл бұрын

I picked up unbranded mo fi style inner sleeves from my local record store. $NZ35 (£16) for 50. Think I'll stick with them.

@robertgreene1946 Жыл бұрын

I have been buying the Big Fudge gone through 3-50 packs priced around $25 usd at the time they cost more now .But just saw the Hudson HiFi 100 pack for $26 way better price and they are good i

@audiotomb Жыл бұрын

Always use QRP sleeves. Mofi have light static and stick together and are hard to open😮

@BANDTHECAMEL 11 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😊

@jayson1173 Жыл бұрын

I use both MoFi and Nagaoka inner sleeves. The Nagaoka are better in my experience.

@BillyHell01 Жыл бұрын

you missed VSS vinyl storage solutions from 🇨🇦 which is all I use

@peterstudley1804 Жыл бұрын

It annoys me when i buy a new record only to find its in paper inners , with the cost of new records the misers can't even provide a poly lined inner, so i buy packs off 100 in either black or white it doesn't bother me, they work out £££s cheaper than the reviewed inners and offer the same protection.

@sam8911sk Жыл бұрын

I use Acoustic Sounds Quality Records clones - buy more and save - 500 for $136 or $13.60 per 50. They sale Mo Fi for $20 per 50 pack. I get free shipping when I get the 500 pack. Note - these sleeves are used with Acoustic Sounds label.

@etielrincon Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. In my opinion, the Hudson Hi-Fi inner sleeves are the best value, since you can buy a pack of 500; it helps a lot when you have a larger record collection. I like them also because they are a bit tighter (shorter?) than other sleeves and they fit very well inside most paper inserts (not sure how these are called, I’m talking about the paper sleeves with pictures or lyrics that hold the records on most double albums), for extra protection.

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that - glad you've found inners that suit you and your collection.

@MidFiMan Жыл бұрын

Vinyl Storage Solutions is my go-to after trying several different kinds.

@MidFiMan Жыл бұрын

I still want a MoFi sleeve for my Mofi albums. I’ve had to replace a couple Mofi sleeves that were included due to tearing out whatever.

@richarddixon7890 Жыл бұрын

Seems to me that a contract manufacturer in China is making all of these at the same plant and putting different branding on them.

@anthonygordon14 Жыл бұрын

Hi Paul, the Styl in Vinyl Syl is pronounced same as Style 🙂

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

Many thanks for the correction

@carravagio16 Жыл бұрын

always enjoy your content however i wish you would cut out some of the transitions and get to the point quicker

@antonysandersonfromenglandshef Жыл бұрын

Protective inner sleeves the make panmer est since 1998

@tacofortgens3471 Жыл бұрын

Well I had those MFSL sleeve, left all marks on my records and ruined my whole record collecrion. MFSL told me too bad so sad. I gave up on vinyl after that

@thebestoffools Жыл бұрын

I've been using the Vinyl Styl inners for at least 5 years and I've had no issues whatsoever with them. They are just as good if not better than the Mofi inners.

@TucsonBillD Жыл бұрын

Ah, yes… In their quest for making an inner sleeve as inexpensively as possible, MoFi went to China. Now, the problem is not only did they get these as cheap as they could, but most likely whoever made these also made more (not that expensive as they were already tooled up to make them) and sold the “overrun” under a plethora of names, all of which are priced below what MoFi sells the for. I’ve seen this with other items sourced from China, and would not be surprised if this were indeed the case. One more item… did you find out exactly what plastic was used in the making of these sleeves? If they truly polyethelyne, you’re ok. If, however, they are PVC, do NOT use them to store your records in, as the PVC out gases and has a detrimental effect on the vinyl used in making your records.

@cogdj6452 Жыл бұрын

Hudson are absolutely the best for you money.

@austinlibby7025 Жыл бұрын

The manufacture of rice paper, obviously Chinese and Hudson manufactures private label for guess who I am I going to mention their name and you know it same product have the price manufactured by the same manufacture the same specs. Hudson again is your best value rice, paper sleeves.

@kurjan1 Жыл бұрын

Vinyl Storage Solutions... the end!

@scottspinner1 Жыл бұрын

I use spin care these days

@CapitanHarlockisback Жыл бұрын

Are they any better than mofi?

@scottspinner1 Жыл бұрын

Cheaper and appear good enough

@xxxb101 Жыл бұрын

Same, shame not featured on this vid

@mswdesign9164 Жыл бұрын

I'd stake my life that's Vinyl "Style", at least pronunciation-wise. Or should I say "wis".

@TheAudiophileMan Жыл бұрын

:) Thanks

@tacofortgens3471 Жыл бұрын

Just get plain paper sleeves, at least they dont stain vinyl records, who cares about light surface hair scratches you dont hear them anyway

@ergloo6660 Жыл бұрын

Knowing MOFI the rice paper is probably digital but they charge for analogue inner sleeves. Time for another class action lawsuit? 🤣😂🤣😂

@currykevuk 10 ай бұрын

As a money saver I have found the all-plastic supermarket carrier bags at 30p a go to be a great way to store my records. The only drawback is the effort inserting the bag back into the record sleeve. 100% no paper used.

@sevestan Жыл бұрын

Are you serious?

@ivansbacon Жыл бұрын

I will say it yet again. Vinyl Storage Solutions. 1 mil thickness 8.99, 2 mil 13.49, 3 mil 16.49, packs of 25 16.49 Canadian dollars is under $13.00 dollars US, so 26.00 us for 50 sleeves. (polyethylene & rice paper) I am gonna cut one open when i get back home. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_paper If the paper is captured between two sheets of poly then its only job is support or structural strength.