Modding Deltarune for Non-Gamers! (Updated)
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With Deltarune Chapter 2 finished, I decided to remake an older video where I ask if Toby Fox's Undertale sequel might be one of the best games to play with a non-gamer. In this video, I want to show you how I led my Mom and a friend who has never played games before through Deltarune and how you can do the same!
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0:00-How To Teach Non-Gamers
2:50-Test #1
6:24-Uh Oh
7:46-Test #1 (Again)
10:32-The Greatest Challenge
12:53-Pretty Chill
15:30-Confused Confusion
17:09-Modifying Deltarune
18:25-Test #2 (Finale)
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@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
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@snarpking 2 жыл бұрын
let me just dust off my old alt accounts real quick, I'll boost that number up for you. /s
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
haha. But seriously, I'm trying to introduce this in phases to play with the algorithm. Did you get here from randomly checking my channel main page? Thanks for always being here btw!
@nonsensicalhumanoid 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this was a decent sized channel until I checked the comments. You certainly deserve more attention! That aside, I've actually tried a few times to introduce my parents to games I thought they'd like, but overall they couldn't understand much of it. It's nice to see someone making videos specifically for this purpose, to teach someone who hasn't played a game how to play a game.
@RalseiSmokerOfBlunts 2 жыл бұрын
@@EtrasGames4NonGamers The algorithm showed me while browsing deltarune Videos. I must say this channel is VERY underrated so I gave you a sub 👍
@chimklee 2 жыл бұрын
Wow 3.51 now, channel’s growing. And fast.
@ninolloydbandiola5581 2 жыл бұрын
14:42 also Toby Fox: **puts 3 save points before and after you meet Asgore, even though nothing literally happens in those rooms**
@bro748 2 жыл бұрын
I imagine playtesters would turn around to go and save, before progressing onward through each room, so the extra save points were so that players don't do that.
@masterblaster38 2 жыл бұрын
@@bro748 but I think that then two save points would be fine. But man 3 is too much, like if asgore talked 99 lines then It could have a little of sense to do It but with just one It would be enough.
@bankrobs2893 2 жыл бұрын
@@masterblaster38 I think it wasn't for actual game functions but for more emotional reasons it helps to show that the journey really is "over"
@YourLocalMartletFan810 2 жыл бұрын
@@bankrobs2893 but the next thing you know flowey has over written your save file and became a abomination
@bankrobs2893 2 жыл бұрын
@@YourLocalMartletFan810 Yah, well I mean that just ands more shock to it. After Asgore's speech with all the emotions only to be cut off by that evil bitch Flowey .
@safeforwork8546 2 жыл бұрын
to be fair. deltarune is kinda specifically meant for people whove played undertale. so on top of accessibility for people like this not being a priority in games, its probably even less of one in deltarune
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I probably could have chosen more carefully. I know at the time, I just needed a base game to see major concepts my mom was struggling with, and saw chapter one was three hours. Thanks for the comment!
@user-ej7sr3ow8b 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, for players who played Undertale, the opening would be great: learning that in this game your choices don't matter, seeing the old goat mum again, talking to familiar faces even if they are not as friendly as in Undertale. But for those who haven't played Undertale, it would be like torture: the character you designed is just thrown, you need to look at a long scene while doing nothing, talking to nearly the whole class, and then another scene without options......
@Firefly256 2 жыл бұрын
Undertale might be too hard for new players. Starts with only 20 HP. Confusing beginning of flowey. Soul types. Coloured switch puzzle and more
@charbomber110 2 жыл бұрын
on-top of that, Undertale and Deltarune are both specifically meant for people who have played enough RPGs to get the jokes and the references. I don't think Toby expects anyone who hasn't played games before to even consider playing either. EDIT: shit someone already said that whoops
@Jamseth_Ingramious 2 жыл бұрын
@@Firefly256 Well, you can quickly get a lot more health that. ;)
@thedistinguished5255 2 жыл бұрын
You can set autorun for your mom so she doesnt need to press shift. I'm a gamer but I use it because it really makes it simpler and I can focus on dialogue
@snarpking 2 жыл бұрын
True, but I think that teaching the player to press shift themselves is really part of the challenge here.
@Greggorto 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the autorun. I have too much muscle memory from the default settings to switch to it
@thedistinguished5255 2 жыл бұрын
@@snarpking what? No. The challenge is to allow the mom to play the game. Its not typical for games like these to need more than two keys at a time unless theyre some combo based fighting game, or we're counting mouse buttons but those are their own thing. Whenever its an rpg like this and theres a running button but no stamina, theres autorun available 90% of the time. And i always use it🖕
@someguystudios23 2 жыл бұрын
as a gamer, I tend to instinctively hold shift, lol.
@misadique845 2 жыл бұрын
@@someguystudios23 I press shift in games that don't have sprinting lmao
@KapitanKaos 2 жыл бұрын
I think some solutions to the buttom puzzle would be: -The easiest one: Set autorun -The harder one: Extend the timer -The best one: Make a clone of the puzzle but w/o the timer prior to that room
@professorantasma6591 2 жыл бұрын
You could also make an NPC or sign that says something about it
@Nitro2275 2 жыл бұрын
lancer gang
@KapitanKaos 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nitro2275 *Spins in the air at 2 fps*
@luis-sophus-8227 Жыл бұрын
it is so boring to do a thing two times in a row
@AfterglowAmpharos 2 жыл бұрын
15:58 In Toby's defense, Deltarune is labelled as a game "for people who have completed Undertale." He designed it with the fact in mind that people playing it are already familiar with Undertale, both from a mechanical and character perspective.
@philguer4802 2 жыл бұрын
Me at the beginning: i'm sure it will go great, the game is already easy,how can anything go wrong? Me after the 4 first minute: all is ashes. there is no hope
@Firefly256 2 жыл бұрын
@Kold the hard part is figuring out the place where the stars don’t shine. I doubt you could ever find that
@MeargleSchmeargle Жыл бұрын
That's the thing, it's easy to the gamer who has played many games before and as a result knows what to do. It is far more difficult to jump into this game cold turkey without any prior gaming experience, much less no undertale experience.
@Aviivix 2 жыл бұрын
It feels like Undertale and Deltarune are like, the opposite of games that should be used for this. The whole reason these games were loved was that they played with expectations of what these games were like. (Deltarune itself is sort of a double parody since in a way it's playing on your Undertale expectations.) With no expectations it's just an odd gaming experience. I think there's also an important factor in considering what kinds of things they already like. If someone isn't into puzzles, then the puzzle sections of Deltarune would be double frustrating because their inexperience makes them take thrice as long on a section they just want to be over and done with in the first place. But if they're a puzzle nerd then they may just get bored with the rest. There's too much variety in Deltarune because, again, it's playing on both Undertale and general gameplay tropes. But a new gamer should probably start with a game dedicated to one concept and playing it mostly straight. Baba Is You I find is a great non-gamer puzzle game. My grandma plays it and I barely had to show her what things did. (In general the less controls there are the easier it is for people to grasp, because there's less time fiddling with those and more time focusing on the game itself.) For strategy, Pokemon may be a decent choice - particularly the ones that denote type effectiveness for you on the menu rather than making you memorise the type chart. Ace Attorney may also be a decent choice - there's NO movement whatsoever, and it's all menus. I noticed your mom skipped cutscenes and dialog and such, and thus didn't seem to want to track the story in this story-driven game. A lot of non-gamers only view games through the lens of Mario and mobile games where story has never been a thing. Ace Attorney might be a nice way to show people that games can be storytelling tools because the game itself is about paying attention to the story. My grandmother plays this too.
@devonbennett6559 2 жыл бұрын
SquikSquok
@devonbennett6559 2 жыл бұрын
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@devonbennett6559 2 жыл бұрын
Words.
@devonbennett6559 2 жыл бұрын
Werdel.
@devonbennett6559 2 жыл бұрын
Worldle
@ChangedWinds 2 жыл бұрын
When you're the parent that plays Undertale and Deltarune, trying to inspire their kid to play
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Cool parent
@SuperTenienteMantequilla 2 жыл бұрын
This dude is breaking the laws of universe
@goldluna9794 2 жыл бұрын
Dudes a whole ass anomaly to this world
@thehamburger4596 2 жыл бұрын
are you the parent? i mean if i get older and have a kid it would probably be me saying that lol
@ChangedWinds 2 жыл бұрын
@@thehamburger4596 I'm the parent. Played Undertale with my (at the time) 8 year old, doing voices and silly stuff. At 14, told me they only agreed to play was to appease me 😭 and that's why I play Roblox and Genshin Impact with them today
@justa_user 2 жыл бұрын
Susie: "Can't you walk any faster?" Legit the mom playing the game: *Yeets laptop right out of a window*
@devonbennett6559 2 жыл бұрын
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@devonbennett6559 2 жыл бұрын
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@devonbennett6559 2 жыл бұрын
WA to the SD
@eclipseRz 2 жыл бұрын
Do it for Undertale so the Pope can finally play his copy
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Bold of you to assume the pope is a non-gamer.
@randomguy377 2 жыл бұрын
@@EtrasGames4NonGamers fun fact: the pope loves to listen to Megalovania
@snowglobe4784 Жыл бұрын
@@randomguy377 + owns a copy of undertale given to him by Matpat
@jevilstail Жыл бұрын
I still cringe at matpat's decision to this day
@redcoder09 Жыл бұрын
@@jevilstail why
@zachcrawford5 2 жыл бұрын
I'm proud of your mom for persevering through something that must have been so alien to her at first.
@Artemisio987 2 жыл бұрын
this is adorable. I remember how i wanted to share my favourite games with my mom when i was a kid but she wasnt interested in the slightest (she was instrumental in finishing altered beast, though). You unearthed very sweet memories for me, thank you :')
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. It made me smile :)
@rompevuevitos222 2 жыл бұрын
I got my mother to play Ms Pacman Maze Madness for the PS1 for like 4 hours straight once, but she just says that she doesn't have the time to even care about games And has never played anything else since But it's ok, she has other hobbies and stuff
@luis-sophus-8227 Жыл бұрын
same lol
@ninolloydbandiola5581 2 жыл бұрын
I was playing Undertale when my mom was interested in what I was playing thought she would be interested but the problem is eeeeeeeeeh I'm already fighting Asgore
@Fosito 2 жыл бұрын
Lol The same thing happened to me the first time I played undertale but with my grandmother
@crazycanyon3028 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve already did everything I wanted to do in the game so I’ll delete the save file without thinking twice
@Pinkpawz_ Жыл бұрын
My mom will only play gta burn out and goat sim
@electricpepperoni4789 Жыл бұрын
@Asher Jay Muffet, a donater requested it as a play on the girl scared of a spider
@masterblaster38 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah thats something true, I first introduced one of my Friends to deltarune and he got bored, then I introduced him to Undertale and It was so much better. Undertale has his mecanics a little more explained and It is linear with little things to worry. The you go to deltarune to chapter 2 for example and you have: 1° The enemy 2° HP of member 3° HP of enemy 4° Spare metter 5° Toilet paper 6° All the action botons 7° The TP heart shape that appears when you are close to a bullet, making you think the hitbox of the heart is bigger. 8° The form to attack enemies. 9° Multiplicate the point 2 and 6 by 3 because you have 3 Party members. 10° Multiplicate the points 1,3 and 4 by 3 because you can have 3 enemies at the screen at a time. Then you have Undertale Battle sistem that is: 1° Four bottons 2° Your HP 3° 3 enemies at Max 4° Enemies HP 5° Battle system And nothing more.
@bankrobs2893 2 жыл бұрын
In Deltarune's defense it did say it was not for people who hadn't played Undertale
@xBlaster 2 жыл бұрын
And this is why TobyFox said the game is for those who have already played Undertale, I believe that game already explained you what to do in every situation (even teaching you the controls before the game started)
@lilacpenguin5329 Жыл бұрын
Lack of foresight is still lack of foresight, no matter which way you spell it. Same with how lack of accessibility is still a lack of accessibility.
@missdreavus649 2 жыл бұрын
Nah dude, your mom is just a gaming god. Clearly from that checkers section, she's built for speedrunning.
@moppermop5287 2 жыл бұрын
Well, anywhere you get Deltarune it says the game is designed for those who have already beaten Undertale, so it probably isn't designed to be the most beginner friendly.
@littlemoth4956 2 жыл бұрын
*Story-wise. Watch the video and you see the same beginner pitfalls as any other game
@moppermop5287 2 жыл бұрын
@@littlemoth4956 Well, what about the vessel creation scene? That made his Mom get frustrated at the lack of agency, since she didn't have the context of Undertale.
@Buglin_Burger7878 2 жыл бұрын
@@littlemoth4956 ...they never specified it was exclusively gameplay. Both are intended after Undertale. Seeing Toriel, the lack of choices, talking to the NPCs. All of it is based on Undertale.
@moppermop5287 2 жыл бұрын
@@Buglin_Burger7878 My comment was saying that Deltarune wasn't made for beginners, then they replied saying it was only the story that wasn't meant for beginners, so I argued against it.
@reinbew794 Жыл бұрын
Well, Ralsei's tutorial is better than Flowey's or Toriel's sooo
@Solesteam 2 жыл бұрын
This is actually a good thing to consider when creating a game. Because there's always an odd chance that someone picks up your game and it's their first game.
@glyph__ 2 жыл бұрын
just always make sure it doesn't bog down your game for those who already k own how to play games like, press wasd to move lol
@Solesteam 2 жыл бұрын
@@glyph__ Level 1: How to turn on your device...
@glyph__ 2 жыл бұрын
@@Solesteam lmao
@Sappho_The_Kitten_Tamer 2 жыл бұрын
7:35 IN A MONTH?! I would have told my mom to get back in there lmao.
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, the month helped reset her memory so the second test attempt was less effected from the first attempt. Love the positive energy though lol. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!
@007MrYang 2 жыл бұрын
Neither of my parent ever had issues picking up how to play videogames. I remember both of them finishing or nearly finishing some of my ps1 games when I was a kid. But if I ask my mom to play videogames now she says that just looking at a controller gives her arthritis. Of course, she doesn't actually have arthritis, she just finds them uncomfortable for some reason.
@poodychulak 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's repetitive stress injury? Or kinda like carpal tunnel One of my cousins can't do joysticks for too long, makes her thumb start to ache
@edenengland1883 Жыл бұрын
because controllers are extremely uncomfortable
@pigardtamato3522 2 жыл бұрын
10:58 I love how the guy is playing Mario kart 8 deluxe with a Wii remote on an xbox
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Make all logic break
@gege1178 2 жыл бұрын
With all due respect,Deltarune and undertale are atrocious as beginner gamers. There’s just so much in regards to there narrative structure that relies on the audience knowing video game tropes and conventions, that mean nothing to a non gamer. For example the whole sparing mechanic ,is unique and innovative to a Gamer who is used to killing every thing they see, but literally means nothing to a non gamer ,and so many small details and jokes will straight up not make sense. Add to that the density and plot heaviness of these games which may seem great at first ,but a lot of new gamers have this just cross the finish line mentality which will make them frustrated when they find a lot of side content, pile all that up with small genre shifts ,deltarune’s extremely hard hidden bosses and way more ,to make those tow games horrible as beginner gamers.
@accountlol7409 2 жыл бұрын
Undertale will absolutely screw them over if they go genocide because of how RPGs normally go
@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, as soon as it got to her not enjoying the dialogue in addition to not understanding the subversion it felt like this was kind of like starting next to the finish line.
@advxnture_ 2 жыл бұрын
I don't fully agree. Undertale was my first exposure to rpgs and games, and i loved it. I feel like people are selling it short. Undertale isn't just about subversion.
@rompevuevitos222 2 жыл бұрын
Not only dependent on other games But despite what the game claims, it also expects you to understand what Undertale is like
@randomguy377 2 жыл бұрын
Me press the read more button:
@raleo7466 2 жыл бұрын
With your video and having played tunic I must say: BRING 👏 BACK 👏 MANUALS 👏 They are pretty, they are collectables, they are helpful, and they only cost max 0.20$ to print and ship
@justanotheraltaccount7821 2 жыл бұрын
Ralsei tried his hardest to give a manual to us... :(
@pluspiping 2 жыл бұрын
Please bring back manuals, goodness sakes. I've been playing video games since 1992 and even still, my choices are 1) stare at Lets Plays for +1hr (getting spoiled), 2) stare at the manual for an hour to get comfortable with the controls and displays, 3) be lost and overwhelmed. Please. My neurodivergent nerves can't take this.
@plexyglass429 2 жыл бұрын
I think that not caring about the story is kind of a big detrement to this entire test, cuz thats what this game is about. The characters and their story. not caring about it is kind of problematic to the experience.
@ConnanTheCivilized Жыл бұрын
I like the fact you admitted Susie got to your Mom. I haven’t seen anyone admit it, but the little Barney is surprisingly hurtful 😢. She’s such a wonderful bully!
@thesiIIiestgoose Жыл бұрын
3:32 I honestly laughed whenever I first encountered the “your creation will now be discarded” thing
@NotASpyReally 2 жыл бұрын
Susie making fun of how slow she walks. Oh my god, I feel so bad about that now 😭
@elliebee3520 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video! Though I personally wouldn’t have a non-gamer play Deltarune given it plays with not only RPG mechanics but also Undertale’s mechanics. Also stickers are epic.
@rysea9855 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao your mom beating the chaos king in only 2 tries is hilarious to me, I think it took me 3 tries too
@hip312 Жыл бұрын
"A game where no one has to die" Snowgrave: are you sure
@jaybeeunzzin1355 2 жыл бұрын
i just realized... this video is only at 833 views? i thought this video was popular and has reached 200k views!, ur content is amazing and its interesting! you deserve a like and a subscribe!
@chibimango5028 2 жыл бұрын
This is an updated reupload! The original vid was pretty popular
@justanotheraltaccount7821 2 жыл бұрын
I have good news for you now!
@faithg5250 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who played very few games before and taught herself Deltarune, I could relate to some of the issues your mom was having. I had played Undertale before, so I understood the concept of the game and dodging. However I had trouble opening the menus, didn't know how to equip items until halfway through the first chapter, got frustrated at the opening of the game, had to ask my brother how to hook up an xbox controller instead of the computer keyboard because I didn't understand the buttons. I also conpletely forgot healing items were a thing whenever I fought and eventually defeated Queen because the mechanics of the robot battle was so unfamiliar. Now, Deltarune is one of my favorite games and I'm on my third replay now.
@cosmicspacething3474 2 жыл бұрын
I have a small suggestion to put the manual you made into the game more diegetically. Perhaps make the manual Ralsei gives you display the one you made by pressing a specific button? For example if someone is still confused they can just press H for help. Maybe even expand the Manual in chapter 2?
@MaruchanPrime Жыл бұрын
Man I never thought teaching video games could be so taxing and actually thought provoking... Kudos to you! It's a cool thing you're trying to do!
@Boonetube27 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I love this, the way you break it down is so interesting!
@ToppatCreationsIThink 2 жыл бұрын
I'm here before this channel blows up for being genuinely fun, and informational! I might be able to show MY mom deltarune now XD
@randomdeltaruneguy506 2 жыл бұрын
this guy only had 219? bruh he deserve more attention
@KR_Kosmik 2 жыл бұрын
They have a main channel called etra's games. This channel was made recently
@grimmsoul3096 2 жыл бұрын
6:54 a sh#t papyrus using his stat bars its disbelief but godly
@Negative915 2 жыл бұрын
16:14 It took me 5 TIMES and I'm a professional gamer!
@Copper_Colored 2 жыл бұрын
10:44 I can confirm that this is really hard for people who aren't even new to video games. My friend kept trying so hard on this that it was actually sad to see.
@valen9941 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of that time I bought the new animal crossing for the switch because I wanted to share an Island with my mother and thought she would understand the gameplay because we played the animal crossing mobile game a lot. Oh I was wrong, she ended up frustrated and losing interest in the game. Mainly because she had to learn to use a lot of buttons while in the mobile game you just do everything with just one tap on the screen.
@poodychulak 2 жыл бұрын
ACNH was the first game I could convince my mom to play with me since Mario Kart 64, but those controls can be a lot up front. There's not a whole lot of time pressure outside of bugs and fish a bit
@Nakia11798 Жыл бұрын
Really? Your mom has no patience then. I was new to the switch when it came out and I figured it out pretty quickly. Of course I had the experience of having played City Folk, but those were TOTALLY different controls.
@valen9941 Жыл бұрын
@@Nakia11798 My mother is a middle aged woman that has never played a console or pc videogame, its different. You have the experience of playing city folk in another console, she has none.
@skyfall2951 2 жыл бұрын
Leaving a comment so the algorithm helps pick up the vid, you deserve it! This is a very specific niche of game videos that I haven't seen much of.
@NANA-me9tj 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating videos and content. Subscribed. Love to see a video about your mom playing undertale.
@rainbowspongebob 2 жыл бұрын
I can only wonder the stress and how nervous this dude was to make his MOM play this
@rainbowspongebob 2 жыл бұрын
Her mom saw purple dog trying to eat yo face in a cutscenes
@lekuru 2 жыл бұрын
You should do that for Undertale as well! Im interested in your Mom's reaction to Omega Flowey lol
@JT-hs6hc Жыл бұрын
really cool concept and good execution!!! i hope this all works out and it's funnnnn. subscribed!
@Pintuzin 2 жыл бұрын
What an awesome kind of content. Gaming is such a cool experience and knowing that you make It acessable for more people os so cool. As more time passes, videogames become more complex, so introducing someone to gaming is pretty hard. Keep up with the fantastic content.
@ieatmicroplastics 2 жыл бұрын
Suggestion for you people out there, I found that pikuniku was an amazingly great game for non-gamers to start out with, ...though I would suggest to just use the controller
@HolsteredBook 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of deltarunes gameplay and mechanics come from undertale so it would be fun to see you try this with undertale
@anijay64 Жыл бұрын
Your channel seems very underrated! Helping non gamers get used to playing games and getting used to a keyboard or controller in video games is a thing I haven’t seen done on KZfaq and I am pretty interested. Keep it up!
@antiabringasgarabato9705 Жыл бұрын
I love this so much. Literally been playing Undertale with my mom. It's her first game and I've encountered similar problems to this. Clicked on your video on sight and suscribed immediqately. Once we get to deltarune, we'll play with the mod installed. Thank u so much.
@saharawilcock1463 Жыл бұрын
13:30 She experienced the joy of glitches
@Zenith07 2 жыл бұрын
11:06 I used to see this alot with my Sister, Mom and others who isn’t good or never played video games, like they literally cant press 2 at the same time, for example and the most Common one for me is, Holding forward which is (D) or (->) and pressing [SpaceBar] to jump forward. They cant do those 2 together and it takes them ALOT of tries to do it successfully or get used to it.
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
I hope to alleviate these issues by teaching this specific skill in future custom programs
@func_e 2 жыл бұрын
game design is really complicated and im glad im one of the people who can understand it
@gracegittinger9596 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! This is my first time hearing of your channel and the stuff you're working on and it's really exciting that we may be able to bring our parents into these worlds we ourselves love exploring! My Dad has always talked about wanting to play games and even asks what games we're playing so he could play! But I know he would be frustrated. I'm sure these mods and non-gamer games would help so much!!!
@MERIC_12 2 жыл бұрын
The general idea and basis of this channel is one of the most genius things I’ve seen in a while! As an average Pro Gamer, every time my family has a game night and someone chooses to play video game that isn’t Mario kart or a party game, everyone expected me is having an overall frustration time. I really appreciate what your doing here and my family definitely does as well!
@Solesteam 2 жыл бұрын
16:42 Considering how she went through Deltarune I'm concerned... You should probably advise her *not* to grind exp beforehand.
@ferociousfeind8538 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, undertale is very unforgiving when it comes to battles. A simple "oh god get it away" reaction that leads to DARING to use the attack button alters the game's story unfavorably and irrevocably. You can't get the bestest ending if you hurt poor froggit who shows up when you lag slightly behind goatmom
@zephyr9852 Жыл бұрын
actually neither undertale not deltarune story are altered THAT much if you fight through the enemy (deltarune chapter 1 definitely)
@synthwav_ 2 жыл бұрын
I thought from the start your channel must have 100k+ subs, YOU NEED MORE! Severely underrated, amazing video+content, you've gotten a sub! :D
@Someonehere__ 2 жыл бұрын
It's such an interesting video, great work!
@shakiraoctora1530 Жыл бұрын
Him:"i upgraded the keyboard with a special ingredients-" Sudden add:"Milk CHOCOLATE!"
@Charlotet_1411 Жыл бұрын
Add some protein
@TryHardGamerYT 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, have you heard of a game called Chicory: A Colorful Tale? It's an indie game made by the people who did Wandersong, Night in the Woods, Untitled Goose Game, and Celeste. Anyways, I made my mom try it and it's the first game that she's ever beaten. :D It would be cool if you could maybe check that out
@atakji_art 2 жыл бұрын
this is so interesting and your channel deserves more love!
@-cynti6-109 2 жыл бұрын
Hey your channel is amazing! I always wanted to enjoy my hobbies with my parents and this let us have fun together, keep up the good work!
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching! I hope I can help you and your parents someday.
@betlek 2 жыл бұрын
I actually made my mother play deltarune and she beat both chapters, and she only plays *mobile games*
@grove7618 2 жыл бұрын
its a crime that you have only 310 subs, i would've assume you'd at least have a few thousand!!! ive always wanted to get my family into the games i like :D
@spyritsolz 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, what? They only have a few hundred subs? Based on the quality of the video and how good it was, I assumed they had like, at least 20k!!! This person needs more support!
@JustJum 2 жыл бұрын
His main channel has 80k subs, this is just a reupload on his second channel for some reason
@mudkipaficionado7547 2 жыл бұрын
This is so lovely and wholesome c,: the idea of teaching a non-gamer how to play and experience video games warms my heart, reminds me of the time I tried to teach my grandmother (whom I was living with at the time) how to play Pokemon Y on my 3DS, it was certainly an experience for the both of us haha
@realooffyy 2 жыл бұрын
holy, only 300 subs?? this video is so well made man, youve got a new sub.
@TheHirou 2 жыл бұрын
I just realized this video only has 3k views, Wow, this deserves wayyy more
@YourLocalMartletFan810 2 жыл бұрын
My dad found the undertale battles to hard so he personally asked me to beat them. Something that he couldn’t beat (he died like- 10 times I beat once) he also said that omega flowey is nightmare fuel true and not true I think that omega flowey is funny
@DumboOctopiAreTheBest 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta say this is a really good video, as it shows the main point but it’s also helping me with game development, good job!
@DYHStories 2 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video. Thanks for the upload!
@wavewingch 2 жыл бұрын
I get why your mom would struggle with the doors in Deltarune. Seriously every time I've played Deltarune since 2018 I've accidentally walked back through those goddamn doors at least once. Seriously what was Toby Fox thinking when he designed those doors lol
@JuliaPadro 2 жыл бұрын
With your mom defeating the king on her second try, the same thing happened to me. While I do tend to know the pattern of Toby Fox games, I am absolutely horrible at fights and the like (for example, it took me 2 hours to defeat the mini game with the Queen that is supposed to take you 30-60 seconds that ends up being the same thing as the final battle with her. also it took me way too many tries to defeat berdly in chapter 2...). I died so many times in chapter 1 to small environmental mechanics and then it only took me 2 tries to defeat the king. Idk if the King just weird, or your mom and I got lucky, but its interesting to note. Like, one of my friends who is very good at games also took 3 tries and that was the first time they died in the game. Who knows!
@mads_in_zero 2 жыл бұрын
Just found this channel. Really great concept, awesome to make existing games work better as beginner introductions. It’s easy to forget that video games are quite novel when you’re so used to playing.
@bluehairedemon 2 жыл бұрын
The stickers idea is so good, learning controls was (and still somtimes is, althogh way less because most games obey the conventions I got used to over time) my biggest barrier when getting into a game
@thefrubblewarrior4678 2 жыл бұрын
You know, deltarune was made with the fact you’ve either seen someone play undertale or have played it yourself, undertale would’ve been a good game to start with.
@enrique6693 2 жыл бұрын
8:37 bro you are basically saying that gamer's keyboard are better for non-gamers??? mind blowing
@arandomperson12345 2 жыл бұрын
Was confused for a second before understanding that 7:21 is a very subtle Undertale reference! Clever.
@mariocisemusic 2 жыл бұрын
7:19 is that a reference to lesser dog lol
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
:) I like when people notice the little things. Thanks for watching!
@zaidlacksalastname4905 2 жыл бұрын
Your mom really is the queen of the universe, that was so wholesome lol
@periunus8133 2 жыл бұрын
It's really cool that you do this. Most game devs are focused on marketing to people who already play games (understandably), while there truly is a lot of potential for people who aren't part of the whole gamer culture. My mom enjoys a few games here and there, like she likes some Mario games, and she liked early computer puzzle/strategy games. She even played Kingdom Hearts a bit when I was a kid and really enjoyed that. These days when I try to help her find games, she gets overwhelmed easily, not only by the things you're expected to know going in (like when we tried to get into Pokemon together), but even just the process of getting the game to begin with. You can't just go to the store and buy a disc with a game on it, or order it online, and downloadable games are something I'm only familiar with on Steam, which is something she has no interest in using. She also just doesn't want to buy games anymore since they rarely meet her expectations.... But that makes gifting games more difficult, too. I'm interested to see more of your videos and try to figure out a solution for my mom. Thank you so much for doing things to make games more accessible! If only more game developers would take some small steps of their own to provide options for beginners.
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh. Can't say much, but my next project is going to focus on game developers rather than non-gamers. I hope it (or the devs) will be able to help your mom! Thanks for watching!
@MatthewCobalt 2 жыл бұрын
You know, watching this video brought back a buried memory within me. Like, this was exactly how I was when I first played Video Games. It didn’t help that I played Counterstrike for most of that time which crippled my initial idea of what controls are when it came to emulators on keyboard, but that’s besides the point. Man, just thinking of all the things I did back then that would have made me now look at myself in mild contempt...
@snarpking 2 жыл бұрын
Oh cool, a new channel.
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao. Of course you'd find this already. How did you get here?
@enemykiller30 2 жыл бұрын
Then there's Jevil, who can make Chaos.
@pixel4028 2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel! You are so Creative!
@hgmd3284 2 жыл бұрын
Great video man! I hope this channel grows!
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
You and me both! Thanks for watching!
@hgmd3284 2 жыл бұрын
@@EtrasGames4NonGamers you’re welcome \^w^
@Jdogisbest 2 жыл бұрын
16:27 Yeah, I beat this boss battle first try, and didn't die once in Deltarune yet (currently playing in the middle of Chapter 2).
@tixrox4678 2 жыл бұрын
Jevil?
@Jdogisbest 2 жыл бұрын
@@tixrox4678 Didn't know he existed till after completing chapter 2. Died a couple of times in chapter 2 tho, w/o doing NEO. I have many deaths now after doing a separate save with Jevil, Snowgrave, and NEO.
@octoflop2698 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this taught me that the chaos king would have been easier if I didn’t only attack him 🙃
@spyritsolz 2 жыл бұрын
This video is awesome!! I subscribed!!!
@misticloud_real 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know this "flow" thing as a game dev. This will help me a lot. Thanks
@rapandrasmus8231 2 жыл бұрын
I think it would have been a better idea to start with undertale because it is a lot simpler. But this is awesome, still!
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your suggestion! Undertale seems to be a bit long I think to start new players with, and the narrative revolves around new gaming concepts like saving, loading, and choice. So I chose to not test it. If you run a test like this with Undertale, I'd love to hear about it though!
@rapandrasmus8231 2 жыл бұрын
@@EtrasGames4NonGamers That's fair, but you don't have the ruthless button puzzle in Undertale and a semi-complex battle system. But as you said, the narrative revolves around alien concepts to new players, which would leave the story dull and confusing. If I can find somebody I know who doesn't play a lot of videogames, then I'll run a test with Undertale (I can't do it with my parents because they know what saving, loading and choice is, and are pretty gaming experienced (And they have watched me and my sister play deltarune with us)), and I'll tell you about it, if I can :)
@EtrasGames4NonGamers 2 жыл бұрын
That would be great. Feel free to send me an email of the results to projectetraflow@gmail.com
@rapandrasmus8231 2 жыл бұрын
@@EtrasGames4NonGamers Alrighty! Now time to find someone I know who is very gaming inexperienced (Or at least inexperienced with RPGs)... 😅
@somerandomguy4766 2 жыл бұрын
Mad respect to his mom for calling tp toilet paper i dont even know what it actually stands for so thanks to your mom absolute legend
@reinbew794 Жыл бұрын
It does stand for toilet paper. At least for the puzzle dudes.
@gamingcookiereal Жыл бұрын
technically tension points but it can be toilet paper in our hearts
@cutecharacterpower 2 жыл бұрын
I just discovered this channel, and it is SO interesting !!!!!
@rustdreemurr1715 2 жыл бұрын
i clicked this video on chance. i like the fact you are making a game for people who have never played videogames before. it is nice.
@butterman59 2 жыл бұрын
11:21 president valentine..?
@EtraGames 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone pointed out my jojoke :)
@danielcooper5821 2 жыл бұрын
Literally teaching games to non-gamers is near impossible unless they want to learn. Cool video tho
@renthemen. Жыл бұрын
"chapter 2 would be way too much" as someone who basically never plays video games you are absolutely correct because the queen arcade game fights took me an unholy number of retries and ragequits they were SO FUCKING HARD for me
@Azure1013 2 жыл бұрын
This was a really fascinating video... I've always been interested in the way difficulty and motivation play a role in the flow of video game progression and how the types of tropes video game mechanics have cause there to be a certain divide amongst "gamers and non-gamers." I am a supporter of video games as an art form and it's my passion to see as many people as possible come to appreciate the games I love... but that's not always so easy for everybody because many video games rely on that so-to-speak language, like modulating inputs, and a sense of intuition for video games. It also makes a lot of sense why it's more common for younger people to have a better time of gaining an attunement for learning how to play video games; they have a higher neuroplasticity which allows them to make the requisite neural connections for learning to play and understand the way video games work sort of like learning your first language. First of all, I wonder if a lack of manuals in video games these days has crippled peoples' ability to learn to play games and second, I wonder if the way video games are taught to adults could be different sort of like how you'd teach an adult to learn a new language based on the fundamentals of grammar from their native tongue. Really fascinating stuff. I've also seen some videos by KZfaqrs like Rasbuten who have done studies on this kind of stuff. I wonder if this kind of research could be applied in a mass widespread way and if we could see some sort of change come out of it. Video game difficulty is a topic that people always bring up, but it's not something people can always get to the root of. I believe there's something more there and that it's worth getting to. Keep up the good work!
@Sunnfloweropposum 2 жыл бұрын
that reminds me of when i gave my uncle the nintendo switch and was actually pretty good at it, he just finished the thrash machine which thank god was 0.1% duck, i think he awas only good at it beacuse he's also a gamer
@Sunnfloweropposum Жыл бұрын
This also reminds me of when i told my cousin about omori and she started playing it but NEVER REACHED OTHERWORLD YET
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