Legit thinking of building a deck like that. Use cards to get more lands into play, then bounce any to hand at situations that call for the spell-side of the MDFC to be used

I feel stupid, didnt even think about this line of play.

Ruin ghost can blink those mdfc lands like strength of the harves at instant speed, that a cool combat trick

yup it makes a lot of those spells that bounce yours and your opponents permanents that would otherwise be a drawback in most situations actually really good. I love synergy

Might finally go through my original Kamigawa block cards for more return lands to hand synergies😅

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It's highly underrated

Also in Prosper, and even in non budget strategies. I'm testing the first two cards you posted and Glimpse is AMAZING, especially when you hit three lands, cause gives you two more mana in the upcoming turns (or 3 if you don't want to play one of those lands) The Trasher i'm not sure but I think is really good in a Prosper Midrange slower deck

Hey there! One of the other 27 Pia players here- and I was pretty excited to see the glimpse, but I think you’re right about the other 2 as well. You have an online list?

Yeah party Thrasher and glimpse seem really good, but I will probably not try the amulet since I play more with anthems than with impact tremors effects. Another card I'm looking at is thraben charm, not too strong but I like modals and grave hate

@@eliabellavista01 I think Amulet is low key really strong. Excellent call on Thraben Charm, though. I don't run enough removal (and no graveyard interaction) in Pia and I need to fix that.

You know maybe the amulet is better than I thought, at the end of the day it replaces itself and the effect is good

The land destruction/unlockable spell is my favorite in this regard, can come in untapped and is a super playable combo of effects that would otherwise be far too niche to warrant a slot. The boros one is also good to replace a tapped land with if your commander gets big or is evasive to get sneaky commander damage kills with, I run it in Rocco street chef since he gets way bigger than people expect.

Yeah it really depends on what kind of player you are, I'm like Dana where my decks are very engine focused so you don't want to wipe your own stuff away you just want a normal board wipe to keep the heat off you long enough for the engine to hum. If you don't do any engine stuff though planar cleansing effects are perfect

If it’s routinely beneficial to cast Ondu Inversion, you’d be way better off figuring out why you’re so far behind everyone else that wiping all non land permanents is a good play so often.

I immediately slotted Unstable Amulet into my Thirteenth Doctor/Yasmin Khan deck. Never mind the first and third abilities on the card, the fact that I get half a Guttersnipe for everything I cast from outside my hand is reason enough to play that card at just two mana.

Much agreed. Financial value isn't really better than usual, but being able to actually play the cards you open is a real feel-good.

Or it could be to fix late-game mana flood situations, where you'd rather draw a spell than a land. Personally, there's too many cards I wanna put in my decks to replace any good spell with a subpar version, but I'm very happy to replace basics with those.

Yeah, people do like doing things like these lol. Definitely something you do after you tenth deck and for the sake of limiting the power of a deck but can’t stop counting the amount of fun themed decks I have come across.

Thing is, there are enough cards out there that do that *and* sync up with the Toymaker. Source: I have this deck, and there are one or two "make stuff into piles" cards in Esper colours I don't even play. So cutting one of those for a seven-drop that doesn't actually interact with your commander and isn't a game-ending threat feels like you're hurting your chances and not even getting any nice theming bonus out of it. Speaking of seven-drop, another reason not to include Sphinx Ambassador in Celestial Toymaker decks: the deck's mana curve is already top-heavy enough, with a good number of five-plus-drop creatures and spells (Master of Predicaments, The Seventh Doctor, Intrude on the Mind, Sphinx of Clear Skies, Brilliant Ultimatum, Boneyard Parley etc.etc.) that any card in that mana range better synchronise with what my commander is doing.

The question is ask is why are you so far behind so often that it’s worth casting. I’d much rather just build a deck that is early in positions to need a card like that.

​@@danaroach29 mmhh no... I think you are presuming a bit here or anyway I think your meta might be a tad different than mine... I've said I've used it quite a bit, but I wouldn't say I use it "often".. My mono white Oketra deck I've had for years, I keep swapping stuff out but Ondu Inversions is still an auto-include as you're not sacrificing much to have it in... What do you do when you are behind? (and you don't have to be that far behind to get a big tempo swing from a well-timed board wipe, especially one that hits everything).... you're gonna say it doesn't happen that you are behind and you always play to be ahead? You can plan it that way but Magic is also a game of luck...or you'd just rather take the loss and start over? Fine I guess.... I mean I win my fair share of games but EDH is a 4-player game... I never expect to always be ahead. My friends and I all run interaction and our games can be pretty swingy. So I guess it depends on your meta... if not much control and you usually each do your own thing until someone wins then yeah... But otherwise board wipes (even overcosted ones that only take a tapped land spot) are pretty damn useful.

Why lol

@@JonReid01Having to flip them (remove them from sleeves). It’s like having to shuffle your deck… there is a saturation point where it becomes extremely tedious.

@@Dragon_Fyredon’t play them then, no one is forcing you

same, I tried using inner sleeves, DFC token, 1 in deck and 1 outside, they are sooo clunky

@@Dragon_Fyre Play a reminder card in your deck, and sleeve the MDF in a separate, clear sleeve. When you play it via the reminder card, just bring in the real version to sit on the field/stack, then swap back to the reminder card.

You can. If it's in play as a land, it's a land. So the bounce lands will let you return it to hand (though there's no targeting involved).

Ofcourse you can, you played it as a land, the non land side is not targetable as long as it's in play.