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Daoboys been putting out banger after banger for years now. I'm surprised and glad you got them on the show

As a musician, hearing Brian say "3/3 time" was viscerally painful

Mathcore is jazz for metal heads. Edit: didn't know they were gonna reference jazz in the video, but right on

This wasn't the crossover I expected, but I'm so happy for it.

The Modern Rogue and The Callous Daoboys is not a crossover I expected to happen. As someone who's generally not a maker of improvised weapons or avid survivalist, I'm not used to TMR talking about things I actually have some prior knowledge about.

It's a crime how you two don't pop up on my front page anymore! I thought that you guys stopped making videos or something! Now I know to come directly to the source! Keep up the great work guys!

Never expected Danny Carey and Hatebreed on a Modern Rogue show. Absolutely love it. Do more!

Correction: The dude said Hardcore was a subgenre of metal but it is in fact a subgenre of punk. Two completely different things.

These guys picked up where DEP left off and I love them. ❤❤❤

Dillinger Escape Plan, Botch, Vein, Seeyouspacecowboy, Drowningman, Every Time I die, and Converge are bands worth checking out. Hardcore isn't metal (though that is the easiest way to describe it for outsiders), it's either a type of punk or a fusion genre of hardcore punk and metal (heavy hardcore). That said, bring them back in the future.

People should definitely give "IWrestledABearOnce" a listen as another mathcore band

i love that the first hardcore band Carson threw out was Have Heart! Tool is sorta the big infection starter on mathcore. they use math to influence the music, so it's approachable. beyond them, anything by either of the Kinsella brothers (American Football, Owen, Cap'n' Jazz, Joan Of Arc, a few other small projects) is a great start on where it starts to venture away from math influencing the art into how can non traditional guitar tunings and time signatures be used in an artistic way. also getting a hang of the general sound of hardcore (Have Heart is a GREAT example). one of the biggest bands in this style is Converge.

I'm super happy to see more music content! Also picking a subgenre that's not palatable to mainstream audiences made little ol' metalhead me happy.

love daoboys never expected to see them on this channel

I can't believe Brian doesn't think Core is STP's greatest album. I'm 21 and it was the album that made me fall in love with them like 5 years ago when my mom put it on *cassette* when I helped her clean the basement one day and we found it.

This is hilarious. This is basically every time I've tried to explain mathcore to someone

Common Daoboys W

Never would have expected this lol. Just saw them a couple months ago, super sick band!

What an unexpected collab!

This is the silliest thing I've ever anticipated.

"Can I swear on this, or no?" Heavy pause. Meanwhile, Brian, just a few minutes prior: "Get the fuckin' rhythm! Get the fuckin' rhythm!"

I've been in 2 mathcore bands it's fun but god damn it's practice is brutal. If you're interested listen to bands like this try: "The Number 12 Looks Like You" or "Heavy Heavy Low Low" if you're looking for a heavy rock version with little to no screaming try: "Tera Melos" or "Disheveled Cuss" or "Melt Banana"

So basically metal music with weird rhythm and beats. Aka Animals as Leaders, Meshuggah, The Dillinger Escape Plan and Nickelback ! :) Animals As Leaders - An Infinite Regression from 1:45 in the song. Enjoy figuring out the beat. You're welcome !

One letter away from being the Caillous

We needed a chalkboard

Time signature is always multiples two on the bottom, which tells you the note values in a measure. Brian is not actually wrong in that there can be signatures like 3/3. Those are called irrational signatures, and while they do exist, they're mostly used just because some composer is screwing around and wants to write something out in some fancy, unique way because there's going to be a way to write the same thing using a rational time signature. A lot of time signatures overlap and sound exactly the same to an untrained ear anyway, and are mostly just for the musicians reading the score to know what the piece is supposed to sound like. I was a band geek in high school and learned a lot about music, but I got into punk rock and hardcore in my later teen years because I wanted to get away from that kind of structure because it was stifling to me, which was really more the environment than music itself. I wanted nothing to do with music that needed to be notated for a long time. Then I got into math rock in my 30s and I love it. I'm not so much into the "mathcore" bands, but there are some I enjoy. Tera Melos, Tik Code, Don Caballero, Ghosts and Vodka; those are more my kind of jam. Sadly, math rock was already sort of declining by the time I got into it but there's still good bands around with more coming into the scene on occasion, especially on the international side of things. I think the reason being that it's a lot of work that requires a lot of passion for not much monetary return with only a small, niche fanbase.

strange choice of topic but im all for it this is awesome

Carson’s face on “3/3 time”😂

Oh my god I started laughing so hard when Brian was trying to count Blackberry DeLorean 😂 fantastic

THIS IS SUCH A COOL COMBO, I LOVE MATHROCK

Love the Callous Daoboys. Really love watching their development on their records.

I wasn't expecting this to ever happen, much like the Walcom videos, but once again, I am happy it did, especially as a metal head. It's cool to see how this stuff evolves over time, from seeing Justin Robert Young wearing a Callous Daoboys shirt and saying "that's neat", to "holy sh*t they did a video together, why didn't anyone tell me?" We've seen Ouija and mystical episodes, we've seen a rock/metal episode, we've had video game episodes, now we just the DnD and satanic ritual episode to complete the full 80's/90's satanic panic arc of Modern Rogue

In high school band, we were able to play some grade 4.5 (max 6 grades) music. Often 7/8 time is sub divided by (12+12+123) or (123+12+12). 9/8 would be (123+123+123).

i LOVE the callous daoboys i clicked this so fast

Celebrity therapist is incredible, one of my favourite albums from 2022.

I recently got into POLYPHIA who also call themselves MATHCORE.. I will definitely be going down this rabbit hole.

How can you discuss 5/4 without mentioning the original Mission Impossible theme and how they destroyed it for the movies by making it 4/4.

You'll find a lot of unusual time signatures in prog rock, too, which Brian and Jason may be more familiar with. One of my favorites is "Turn It On Again" from Genesis.

Iirc, in high school, one of the songs we performed (Tiger, Tiger) chnaged time signature nearly every measure, between 3/4, 4/4, and 5/4

so interesting!

"...rote memorization..." ...so good...

"Metal Crossword Puzzle," new-band-name-called-it!

"220. 221. Whatever it takes." Great call Jason

The most amazing part of this video for me was that Jason has heard of Wembley Stadium

I used to go to shows and one of the members of a band had a paint pen/big sharpie. It was progessive death metal and he would do artwork TO the music, jump in the pit with his canvas, the entire thing. It was great. I wish I could remember which band it was my 13-15 year old days of heavy metal shows blend together a bit sometimes because it was shows at small clubs every weekend but this sort of weird depth to music reminded me of those guys

As a new fan of mathrock and a fan of metal I will definitely check out this band

Wait until they find out about power violence

That's it, I'm going to get a tattoo across my chest that says; I Never Say No to the Oboe

"221" is a sneaky amazing one liner. What a rad video.

3:32 aaaaaaaa I was so fricken happy to hear a tool reference

Shout-out to the bug in the studio on the blue background at 15:30 - I thought it was a smudge on my monitor at first XD You can see it fly away at 15:47 and it looks like Brian thought he saw something move right after.

came to love this band after you guys introduced me to the genre 👌👌 current obsession. Celebrity Therapist is already top 10 albums of my year so far...

Who knew the guy I was learning magic tricks from at 8 years old would be interviewing this band. Life’s a trip lol

"That's hip hop" SO TRUE AND ALSO BRUTAL!

Carson's face at the 4:45 mark; "33 time"... from his Expressions alone you just know he's a funny guy.

If you want a lot of time changes, listen to Circumstances by Rush

This is not a collab that I expected.

5/4 is the time scale used for the mission impossible theme

shocked and appalled that the fall of troy was not mentioned.

I met Amber from this band. Super nice woman, also the band is amazing live.

knowing Brandt uses REAPER makes me very happy

I certainly had my mathcore phase (animals as leaders, polyphia, etc.) but now I like to play a more dreamy, easy listening math rock style. I'd recommend bands like covet, chon, or floral for some "softer" stuff.

This is the vid that got my sub. Thanks!

The Callous Daoboys

hahaha I've been into mathcore for a couple years now. It's my favorite heavy music. Listen to 'The Number Twelve Looks Like You"

ok, this was fantastic and I wasn't expecting this ;-)

A really good song that uses 7/8 time is a song called "Kinetic Dances". I played it in high school, and the way I learned to play it was "1 2; 1 2; 1 2 3" A tricky time signature, but a fun one nonetheless

I love how perplexed they looked when asked if he coukd swear.

Descending into the metal rabbit hole is not what I expected but is very welcome. Would love to see Brian's head explode listening to Car Bomb

Looking through my subscriptions and did not expect to see this one in the slightest.

The "sometimes its good enough" part had me cackling

people: music nowadays are too simple music nowadays: polyrhythms galore baybeee

Like this if you agree: I'd like to see a multipart series on small scale home agriculture. Answer questions like how small can a garden be, while also being effective. Or how much it might cost getting started. Maybe how to build a cheap but effective greenhouse. Or if your'e doing it outside, how to protect from the enviroment. Learn how, when, and where to plant and harvest certain crops. What's aesthetically pleasing and utilitarian. How to preserve your yield. It's a topic of infinite discussion, and a timeless bit of knowledge to have if you need it.

it can only be incredibly nerdy and i love it already

Carson got the Halo drip

Everyone at their concerts looking like the Julia Roberts math equations gif.

15/16s...HELLO! Did somebody say Rush? 😂

This is... painful to watch 😂 Props to Daoboys for trying. God damn.

Oh shoot!! Freaking CARSON WITH MODERN ROGUE… never thought I’d see the day.

Never thought I’d hear Danny Carey or Tool mentioned in a MR video! Very happy about this!

Nice episode but I'm more interested in how Jason doesn't smell while he's on ice, perhaps you should make that your next video. Cheers Cobs

Awe yes . The callous are so daoboys.

The title of this interview should be “Trying to Explain Basic Music Theory to Non-Musicians.”

Love the little Wikipedia jingle 😆

7/8 is so fun to play in

yo. Checked this band out - they're absolutely INSANE. Big recommend!

My drummer/nerd friend has a button that's a bass clef and pi/4. Get on his level. ;)

As a Stone Temple Pilots fan, I very much appreciate that end bit

Stick around to the end. You'll be glad u did.

This was fun. I was caught off-gauard by Jason's random Danny Carey / Tool and King Crimson references. Definitely some of my favorite bands. King Crimson is jazz - well, okay, it's rock, but it may as well be jazz. Careful, don't fall into the prog rabbit hole, you'll never come out.

its a fun exercise to try and count out the rhythms of songs like these as well, until you give up 30 seconds later and just vibe

i once made a piece that a music friend said was in 29/16, which i still find funny to this day

I would like to know why TF the KZfaq algorithm hid a MR video about mathcore from me. Looking at the stats... this got buried...

I love Interstate Love Song too, don't worry

You can set a metarhythm by making a pattern of changing time signatures.

A fairly well known example of 5/4 in classical music is Mars from the Planets by Holst.

Awesome

"That's hiphop" Well answered.

How many people figured out the joke in the band's name without having it explained to them?